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darth
Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 2493
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to really teach us something provide valid sources, history buffs from credited universities etc. not a nonsensical anti American site. |
This is your job to do for the benefit of yourself, your friends, and family. My job is to be provoke your thinking process, don’t let your hatred to Islam, Muslims, or Mohammad blind your mind, it is your responsibility to search for the truth all the times. |
Not from questionable sites which is what you have provided. Creditable history source tell us something different. Maybe it is your anti American stand that has blinded you to the truth |
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gupsfu

Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 7919
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to really teach us something provide valid sources, history buffs from credited universities etc. not a nonsensical anti American site. |
This is your job to do for the benefit of yourself, your friends, and family. My job is to be provoke your thinking process, don’t let your hatred to Islam, Muslims, or Mohammad blind your mind, it is your responsibility to search for the truth all the times. |
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You're being unreasonable. How am I suppose to find anything in my favor anywhere other than those anti-American or Islamic propaganda sites? _________________ |
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Maher
Joined: 30 Jun 2004 Posts: 53
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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You're being unreasonable. How am I suppose to find anything in my favor anywhere other than those anti-American or Islamic propaganda sites? |
Ok, forget the provided site, do a search on “Project for the New American Century (PNAC)” |
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gupsfu

Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 7919
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Muslim, you would given darth a sensible reply if you could,
but obviously you're more interested in being distracted.
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pilgrim
Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 2054
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:24 am Post subject: Muslim women must keep head pressed down during prayer |
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This is a translation of an article written by an Iraqi Muslim on the subject of Muslim woman during prayer. She must be behind men and must keep her head pressed to the floor till men straighten up.
Note- red text are notes by Pilgrim
To read it in Arabic click on
http://www.sotaliraq.com/articles-iraq/nieuws.php?id=3829
القرضاوي في مأزق , إنقذوه !!! –
Muslim Woman behind Man During prayer
حسن أسد (Hasan Assad)
[23-03-2005]
Two days ago Sheik Yousif Al Qarthawi (an Egyptian cleric residing in Qattar who issues numerous fatwas on Al Jazeera promoting Islamic terrorism in Iraq against Americans and civilians, and issues fatwas prohibiting terrorism in Qattar which is home to two huge American bases. He has Children studying in U.S. and Britain) in his weekly program on Al Jazeera titled “Shari’a (Islamic law) and life” on the subject of a Muslim woman leading prayer and offering a sermon as it happened recently in America. He also criticized those who insist on placing partition between men and women in mosques. But he insists and defends the practice of placing women behind men in the mosques despite all the slogans that we keep hearing that Islam respects the dignity and rights of woman more than all other religions and all the secular laws on books.
This is how Sheik Qarthawi defends the placement of women behind men in the Mosque based on the practice and reasons given at the time of the messenger (Muhammad) (Allah pray upon him and salute). He also explaines the reason why women must keep their head bowed to the ground until the men straighten up. He says: this practice was instituted so the women would not view the paraphernalia (genitals) of the men who are on their knees with heads pressed to the ground during parts of the prayer. At the time of the prophet the Muslim male praying did not cover his private parts under his short Islamic gown. This means he did not wear underwear. It is strange that Qarthawi calls to continue the practice for prudence and a precaution. This leads us to conclude that in our time when fabric is penny a yard, there are still Muslim faithful men and women who go to prayer in the mosque without underwear. This indeed sounds very prudent since some or many of the Muslims still go to prayer wearing a short gown, but are stripped beneath it.
The preview to advertise for the weekly ‘Shari’a and life” program on Al Jazeera presented by sheik Al Qarthawi reads “Islam provides a solution for every thing for all times and all places”. In last week's program I did not hear sheik Qarthawi provide us with a Quranic Islamic solution to the problem discussed above whereby the woman in this age has to remain head pressed against the floor till the male praying in front of her had straightened up. Therefore, I am a week and unlearned slave of Allah, proposing a solution. I ask my brothers and sisters reading this article to contribute to my efforts to solve this problem to extricate the revered father of all fatwas, sheik Qarthawi from the predicament he places himself in by writing and lecturing about the method and behavior that the woman should follow when she prays standing and kneeling behind men who still wear a gown and no underwear during prayer in the mosque.
Before I present my idea or recommendations I must ask sheik Qarthawi, and those like him, the scholars of religion of Islam who place the women (naturally not their wives) as a target of their sexual wishing to copulate with them in this world and dream of winning their favors in the next world, I would like to ask them regarding their statements and their claims when they speak authoritatively as jurisprudents of Islam that “it is impossible for Satan, the evil spirits, and the jins to enter the houses of worship and mosques with the Muslims as they enter to offer their prayers to Allah.” If that is the case then why worry about a woman’s eyes viewing the rear of the male praying in front of her without underwear. Doesn’t that mean you are admitting that your intentions are not pure even when you are in the house of Allah prostrated before his majesty, all praise to him.
Now I present my recommendation for a solution. It is simple. I do not believe it is difficult to put into practice. To you our beloved and exalted sheik I present my idea. If it is proper then issue a fatwa to legalize it. I promise if it is proper I would not object to you claiming it yours (and when have you Mullas admitted to the rights of others). And if it is improper consider that I had made an effort and failed but please in that case do not accuse me of blasphemy. Since even in our times there are Muslim men who go to pray in the mosques wearing gown and not wearing underwear which expose their private parts when kneeling, raising their posterior and pressing their forehead to the ground; we certainly do not wish to place the women praying behind the men in an awkward situation embarrassing them viewing the scene which arouses the Islamic instincts, sorry, I meant the human instincts; and perhaps the males praying in front rows in front of the women decide to do additional acts of piety and read long suras such as the sura of the cow and sura of the women while in the kneeling head to the ground position and of course we would never think that the worshiper is deliberately prolonging that position out of some ulterior motives. It is just not reasonable to expect the poor woman to remain kneeling head pressed to the ground for along period till the man straightens up because she may develop stiffness and arthritis in her joints while waiting for the male worshiper to straighten up to conceal his private parts from the eyes of the women praying behind him.
There fore I recommend that you most dignified men, scholars of Islam issue a fatwa binding the woman whenever she goes to perform prayer in the mosque behind the males to place on both her eyes patches of thick black fabric. With dark patches on her eyes she would be able to perform prayer side by side with man and behind him without her eyes falling on the paraphernalia of the man in front her wearing a gown without underwear.
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Yohan
Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Posts: 7684 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:36 am Post subject: |
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It seems two scenarios could happen if men and women are allowed to pray together in Islam:
1. If a woman prays behind a man she could get excited by watching the man's gentals and fantacize of giving him 'you know what'. That spoils her prayer.
2. If the woman prays in front of a man he gets the full view of her buttocks and he could get excited to fantacize of mounting her in a doggie-dog fashion. That spoils his prayer.
My question then is: Can a Muslima pray side by side (not touching, of course) with a Muslim man?
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jumbalia

Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 87 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:41 am Post subject: |
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"OMFG Male Genetals!!! How can I contain myeslf???"
I think they could issue horse blinders.  |
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FreeThinker
Joined: 25 Mar 2004 Posts: 130
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Saddam killed thousand of his own country men. No problem for muslims. Osama killed thousands......again no problem.......all muslim world is rulled by most corrept and evil people .....again no problem.but a women lead a pray ....BIG PROBLEM...This is the condition of muslim brain. The capabilities of muslim mind is 0/0.
I request to Ali Sina, please distribute 0.00000000001% of your smartness among 1.2 billion muslims, this world will be a paradise. Even a chicken is 100 times more smarter than a muslim.(Sorry if chickens get offended, because may be I mention a smaller number here). Why these flesh eating zombies are living in USA....the great satan. If I were Bush.....I probabaly throw all muslims from USA back to Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. They have absouletly no right to live in any Westren country. While they are living in USA, they dare to give death threats to Ali Sina!! Listen Americans! if you don't throw these muslim monsters back to their orignal countries, they will tear you and your families in peices when time come and eat you alive. Death to muslim world and live long America and Israel.
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FreeThinker
Joined: 25 Mar 2004 Posts: 130
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Yohan! if they pray side by side .. muslim will do SAJDA on Muslimah's breast....and Muslimah's probably hug him tightly....who knows. The Mullah will HALAL both. Some muslims will get multiple orgasm while pray with a Muslimah side by side.
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Phantom_II

Joined: 26 Oct 2004 Posts: 148 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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But of course I take you are going to tell me that you support such an invasion and the US should have never place an embargo over this matter in the first place?  |
You got it, if you play with fire you may get burn. This is a lesson that can’t make it through the thick scull of the evil forces behind the scene, the pack of wolves ruling and running this great country. |
Remind me to never let the Chinese Govt ever find out about you. They were not excatly happy about what happened to the chinese people committed by the Japanese army! |
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Ali Sina
Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 4607
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:44 am Post subject: Triumph of Bigotry |
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Triumph of Bigotry _________________ Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own. |
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Jacquelina

Joined: 27 Mar 2005 Posts: 1027 Location: New York metropolitan area
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:58 am Post subject: |
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"Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own" - Ali Sina
Good advice  _________________ Look ahead, but think of what you left behind. ("Beware of the dark side of the Force.") |
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yeezevee
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 17109
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:09 am Post subject: |
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http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-03/20/article05.shtml
First Women-Only Mosque Opens in Amsterdam
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THE HAGUE, March 20, 2005 (IslamOnline.net) – A number of Dutch Muslim women opened Saturday, March 19, a women-only mosque in the metropolitan city of Amsterdam.
Inaugurated by controversial Egyptian feminist writer Nawal El-Saadawi, the mosque is a part of a project carried out by the De Balie cultural center and the cultural development institute of the Forum organization, both financially backed by the government.
The mosque is run by women from A to Z, with a woman leading the prayer and another raising the Adhan (call to prayer).
The traditional curtains separating male and female worshipers in mosques disappeared from the novel mosque.
Men were conspicuous by their absence though a few of them attended the inauguration ceremony out of curiosity and sat at the back.
Muslims make up one million of the Netherlands’s 16 million population. Turks represent 80 percent of the Muslim minority.
There are some 450 mosques in the Netherlands, 1,000 Islamic cultural centers, two Islamic universities and 42 preparatory schools, according to recent estimates.
Press reports have underlined that Dutch Muslims were subjected to religious discrimination and racist attacks on their places of worship in 2004. |
Well some progress, spmething is better than nothing..
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Maher
Joined: 30 Jun 2004 Posts: 53
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| They were not excatly happy about what happened to the chinese people committed by the Japanese army! |
The pack of wolves, in the white house, appointed themselves to be the world policeman, judge, jury, and executioner causing trouble all over the planet. The Chinese can’t free themselves, so, we have to free them. The Arabs can’t free themselves! So we have to free them. The people of Central America don’t have our style of democracy! So we have to GIVE IT to them. And, so on and so forth. Yet, the very pack of wolves’ slogan is NO FREE LUNCH!! They think everybody else is unable and incapable of lifting up themselves and catching up with todays civilized societies. They think they have the answer for every problem with total disregard to the culture, history, and experiences of others.
This attitude and mindset has got them defeated in many places of the world, and has got them a tremendous amount of hatred, and disrespect. They will destroy America by their own doings and sick attitude. |
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yeezevee
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 17109
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Maher: The pack of wolves, in the white house, appointed themselves to be the world policeman, judge, jury, and executioner causing trouble all over the planet. The Chinese can’t free themselves, so, we have to free them. The Arabs can’t free themselves! So we have to free them. The people of Central America don’t have our style of democracy! So we have to GIVE IT to them. And, so on and so forth. Yet, the very pack of wolves’ slogan is NO FREE LUNCH!! They think everybody else is unable and incapable of lifting up themselves and catching up with todays civilized societies. |
The PACK of Wolves.... Good response dear Maher, but carefully think and go back to the times of Prophet and our Caliphas.. you may say the same thing. THE PACK OF WOLVES, The islamic wolves, disregarded everything what people had, so THEY freed people in the name of ALLAHA.. the unknown moon god of Qureshi tribe, ON THE WAY THEY KILLED EVERY POSSIBLE CULTURE THAT IS DIFEFRENT FROM islam...
will the above reflective statement serve the purpose dear Maher?
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