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hedonism
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Well, I for sure don't know. But there are lots of propaganda against US and the Iraq war, so who knows.
But perosnally I think the world is jealous because US was right. The Iraq war has made other Islamic countries to think about modernization. Right for women to vote in Saudi, multi-party system in Egypt, ending Syrias occupation of Lebanon, Kuwait women rights activists fighting even more for women's rights. Palestinian Abbas is a bit better than Arafat and trying to stop the terrorists.
So once again, US was right, and the world is jealous for not being part of the history making of bringing democracy into the Arab world. Well the world missed their chance. |
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Longbow
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Cyberite
If the Americans wants her dead,she wouldn't be talking by now.Those three hundred-four hundred rounds would had made the car mince meat and the occupants hamburger patties.
Just tone done your cut and paste as well as your rhetorics and let's see what really happened.
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Arab Nationalist
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| She's a communist who gave millions to iraqi insurgents to free her. Why wouldn't the US want her dead? |
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Longbow
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sorry,I hate to cut and paste and besides it's boring to do that.
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thunderbalt
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| Arab Nationalist wrote: |
| She's a communist who gave millions to iraqi insurgents to free her. Why wouldn't the US want her dead? |
Do you want to say that she asked the kidnapers to kidnap her, can that be true? |
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spike
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Above is the car "rescue" car. It certainly doesn't look like it's been riddled with 300 to 400 rounds of ammo as the lady claims. This nasty little witch isn't important enough for the US to want her dead .. maybe an ex- of hers does but the US has no interest in a stinking commie journalist who either got herself captured or set it up.
So her "rescue" went awry, she should have planned better and had people around her who understood the words, "Stop, halt or we'll fire". No accounting for dumbass in any language. Notice the Italians aren't sayin g anything about the reported $1 mil USD ransom somebody paid for her mangy hide. |
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gupsfu
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| Why wouldn't the US want her dead? |
If they wanted to kill her, they could have done it cleanly and made it look like she was killed by the insurgents.
Killing her in they own place would be stupid enough, but relying on a few soldiers to carry out the execution? Everyone knows who these guys are now, and they will be cross-examined by the media again and again. Would you take that kind of risk when planning a covert operation?
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Sir Galahad
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In my opinion, the simplest explanantion is more likely to be true. The car was driving too fast. The soldiers thought it was another attack and fired on the car. This is a simple explanantion of what happened.
All other explanations I have read so far involve conspiracy theories of some sort.
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Sorge
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'm speechless. It is such an obvious anti-american misinformation campaign, I don't know how to respond to those who wonder whether this is "disinformation or the truth."
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gupsfu
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To see whether the conspiracy theory is valid, all you have to do is to ask yourself this simple question:
"If the US wanted her dead, will she still be alive today?"
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| Above is the car "rescue" car. It certainly doesn't look like it's been riddled with 300 to 400 rounds of ammo as the lady claims. |
She was obviously lying. It will take a miracle for any one person to survive being shot at, despite inside a car, with high-power assult rifles for 300 to 400 rounds, let alone two (or three, depending on source of information). Unfortunately, the Italians are too stupid or biased to realize that.
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pilgrim
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:21 am Post subject: Re: Reporter Says U.S. May Have Fired on Purpose |
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[quote][quote="Cyberite"]Disinformation or the truth?
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Injured Reporter Says U.S. May Have Fired on Purpose
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=ap9iTU9rEwwk&refer=europe
March 6 (Bloomberg) -- Giuliana Sgrena, the Italian reporter wounded on March 4 by U.S.-led forces after she was freed from her captors in Iraq, said the military may have targeted her deliberately.
Sgrena, 57, who had been held for one month in captivity, was injured and Italian intelligence officer Nicola Calipari was killed when coalition forces fired on their vehicle as it approached a Baghdad checkpoint.
Writing in Italy's Il Manifesto newspaper, Sgrena said her kidnappers had warned her to pay attention once she was freed, because the U.S. wanted her dead. At the time, she judged their words to be ``superfluous and ideological,'' she wrote. |
Terrorism in Iraq is as vile as vile can get.
Terrorists have killed thousands and injured thousands in Iraq.
They have blown up mosques and churches filled with people.
They have blown up people in funeral processions and wakes at homes.
They have blown up women and children waiting in line at bakeries to buy bread.
They have severed heads of foreigners and Iraqis, and continue to sever head of Iraqis frequently.
Mullas from Arab TV and Iraqi Sunni mosques have been issuing fatwas to kill.
The slaughter of civilans and security officers in Iraq is a daily ritual.
Retarded children have had expolsives hidden under their clothes and directed to crowds and remotely exploded.
Same things have been done with donkeys.
American are marked to die.
If Americans leave, Iraq will be a blood bath agitated and incited by its neighbors. Iraq was a nightmare of mass burial grave, and nightly visits by security thugs under Saddam, his sadistic sons, and tribesmen, and yes men.
Suicide bombers crashing their vehicles at check points is common.
Cars that do not slow down and stop prior to reaching check points are at risk. There are signs in Arabic and English instruction drivers to stop at designated locations for inspection.
If the car carrying Italians did not stop in accordance with clearly marked signs, and warning shots they were just committing suicide.
They sould not be blaming anyone.
This is war zone environment. If the journalist held hostage by head choppers and Italian secret agents who negotiated with them, and are very familar with conditions in Iraq did not act prudently, they have only themselves to blame
The environment there does not allow one to take chances with the most vile terrorists.
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agentazure
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Has anyone seen those tire prongs that pop up and shred tires if a car is going the wrong way?
I don't know the set-up over there, but why can't they set it up where if someone is driving too fast and not responding to commands to slow down, then these tire prongs pop up and shred the tires?
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gupsfu
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| agentazure wrote: |
| I don't know the set-up over there, but why can't they set it up where if someone is driving too fast and not responding to commands to slow down, then these tire prongs pop up and tear up the tires so they shred the tires? |
Because shredding the tires won't stop the vehicle.
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rainbow
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She has the whole plot twisted. She publicly 'thanked' her kidnappers for treating her so well and believes their anti-US propaganda. 
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Sorge
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| agentazure wrote: |
Has anyone seen those tire prongs that pop up and shred tires if a car is going the wrong way?
I don't know the set-up over there, but why can't they set it up where if someone is driving too fast and not responding to commands to slow down, then these tire prongs pop up and tear up the tires so they shred the tires? |
Besides what gupsu points out, they are dealing with suicide bombers, so they need to kill the people in the vehicles before they detonate. Even after that, they need to worry about somebody using a remote control detonator, so they begin to Jam the area when approaching a vehicle.
My cousin--who is in Iraq as a gunner in a Humvee--hates the vehicle-born suicide bombers above all; "you can't do a dammed thing about it", he says.
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