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LCD

Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject:

Gaul&Carthage wrote:

There comes a point where thinking ceases and action begins....

ABSOLUTELY! Except if you are a muslim. Muslims think about a state, or do they? They think about the percieved slights against them. They think about the evil jooooos! and you know what they do, nothing.

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the two are intimately connected...but they are and should be DECIDED in a warriors mind...a warrior is not one makes war....it is one who brings war to those who make war.

I couldn't agree more.
In the very least they are decisive enough to do something.
They don't in the least, sit there and do NOTHING!

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How will you make the aggressor realise that he is the aggressor when he revels in your effort to do so?

Yet...you are as bad as us in India....you do too much...we do nothing.

We can learn from each other, I think.

Whatever the case, righteosuness leavened with compassion must be your action.

What say you?

G&C

Very wise. Very appropo

Ram

Joined: 27 Apr 2004
Posts: 1502

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:41 am Post subject:

madguru007 wrote:

What about Christians? They were treated different than Jews. According to History Jews were best treated only in Muslim world. Jew was treated in Europe as third class "plaguey". I think you know little about jewish history.

This is one of the biggest lies (underlined above) many people are very fond of repeating. It is true that Christians treated Jews very badly, so did Muslims.

Jews were treated as second class citizens in Europe as well in Muslim countries. But there was a short period between the 1st and 2nd World Wars, when Jews had equal status in Germany. This ended with the arrival of Hitler. Also, at least legally, Jews were equal citizens in France and the United Kingdom.

Ram

Joined: 27 Apr 2004
Posts: 1502

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:52 am Post subject:

madguru007 wrote:

Ram wrote:

After the creation of Israel, Jews were thrown out of Arab countries, their properties illegally confiscated even though they did not have anything to do with the creation of Israel. Today, Jews are openly and legally persecuted in all Muslim countries. They cannot own properties.

If I agree then the probelm is same because of the root cause of Illegal state "Israel".

How is it same? You simply ignore the fact that Arabs did not want Jews living in Palestine. If Jews were allowed to live in Palestine and other Arab countries, Israel would not have been created.

The root cause is not that Israel is "illegal", the root cause of the problem is that Muslims never accept non-Muslims as equal citizens where they are in majority. Malaysia is a very good example. There are 40% of Malaysia's population is non-Muslim but they are 2nd class citizens; the discrimination against non-Muslims is institutionalized, it is legal.

In every Muslim country, there are laws which discriminate non-Muslims. On the contrary, in non-Muslim countries, including Israel, at least the discrimination against Muslims is against the law.

Ram

Joined: 27 Apr 2004
Posts: 1502

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:58 am Post subject:

madguru wrote:

Israel doing the same evil with the Palastinias as Europe and Hitler did with the Jews in the history.

Now you are trying your best to justify hatred of Hamas against Jews. It is Arabs who started the war and they lost. Muslims will always hate non-Muslims, it does not matter what you do or what you do not do.

Ram

Joined: 27 Apr 2004
Posts: 1502

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Israel and palestine

iamcp wrote:

I know that till the end of WW1, palestine was under Ottaman empire. After the end of WW1, Palestine was ruled by British. And after the WW2, palestine was gone to Israel.

So anyone has any idea

1. What was the palestine area when its under Ottaman empire.
2. What was the area of palestine state when British was ruling it after WW1.
3. How much of this area is under ISrael after WW2?

4. How much area Israel conquered after the wars with Arabs?

5. Does any area of palestine is under the occupation of Jordan

Just before the Six Day War, Palestine (the West Bank) was part of Jordan and the Gaza was part of Egypt. Palestine has never existed as a seperate country. Just after the creation of the Israel, Jordan and Egypt incorporated the West Band and the Gaza respectively.

Therefore, I think, the West Bank should be reverted to Jordan and the Gaza to Egypt. Let Jordan and Egypt deal with their Arab brothers.

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