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Gaul&Carthage
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Who gives a f*uck and why does it matter?
I don't get it...after 8 years of a primate you are concerned about meaningless documents of origin of Obama?
Talk about fairy floss.
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piggy
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| Hawaii State COLB is not a birth certificate, unless you can show that it is provided for as a substitute by LAW. .............. NOT BUREAUCRATIC INVENTION ............ |
A COLB is a birth certificate BY DEFINITION.
It is not a substitute for anything.
It is absolute legal proof of Obama's citizenship by birth. |
YOU are an ego-tripper BY DEFINITION!
YOU LOST ........... learn to live with it. |
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Gaul&Carthage
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Old Hux is unflappable piggy...you musn't try to hard...these are only details.
Get to the crux...and the man will, unfortunately, carry you and the details before you.
But if you choose to revel in the insignificant...so be it.
Do try to take it to the next level.
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THHuxley_redux
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| YOU are an ego-tripper BY DEFINITION! |
Blah, blah, blah, blah....
You don't know the law. You invent fake distinctions. You dismiss every legal authority on the issue. You redefine words at whim. You can't tell one nation's law from another's. You absolutely lie about what the State of Hawaii's process and procedures are. You repeat ad nauseam claims that have already been shown worthless.
And for all your frothing and spinning the following facts still remain:
1. A state issued and certified COLB is a birth certificate by definition. It is by law absolute legal proof of citizenship by birth.
2. It meets the State Department's standards for proof of citizenship by birth exactly.
3. Obama's COLB specifically has been declared by the Hawaiian State Department of Health as "a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.”
4. There exists no evidence anywhere that contradicts it.
If you consider that a "loss" it would only be another example of your complete detachment from simple truth. You may have not noticed, but we are now three weeks from Obama's inauguration with no prospect of anything standing in the way.
Buh-bye.
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Monday, December 29, 2008
Open letter to Member of Congress
URGENT REQUEST FOR ACTION – TO PRESERVE OUR CONSTITUTION
Dear Member of the U.S. Congress;
On January 8th, 2009, you will be meeting in a joint session of Congress in order to perform the final step of COUNTING and CONFIRMING the electoral votes for the President of the United States (POTUS).
This urgent letter is a request by your (and Mr. Obama’s) employers, We The People, for you to submit an OBJECTION to those votes being counted due to the Constitutional INELIGIBILITY of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to serve as POTUS:
1. No proof that he was born on U.S. sovereign territory, as required by Article II of the U.S. Constitution (the posting of his forged & fraudulent Certification of Live Birth (C.O.L.B.) only proves fraud – and that he’s INELIGIBLE;
2. No proof that he ever applied for U.S. citizenship, when reaching the age of majority, following his years as a citizen of Indonesia (this would make him ‘naturalized’, and therefore INELIGIBLE);
3. No proof that he was born of two parents of U.S. citizenship, with both owing allegiance to and being under the jurisdiction of the U.S., as required by law and/or the Constitution, in order to be a ‘natural-born citizen’. (actually he has freely admitted the opposite to be true, and therefore INELIGIBLE);
4. No proof that he was authorized, as a ‘natural-born U.S. citizen’ with a U.S. Passport, to travel to Pakistan in 1981 (he could not by law), or that he re-applied for ‘naturalized’ U.S. citizenship on his return, which would also make him INELIGIBLE;
5. No certified proof that he registered for the draft/Selective Service between the ages of 18 and 26, as required by law, thereby rendering him ineligible, by law, for employment in the Executive Branch of our government, and therefore INELIGIBLE for POTUS. (NOTE: over a year of multiple FOIA requests produced a forged and blatantly fraudulent Selective Service Registration form that should be cause for indictments and arrests);
6. No proof that he is, in fact, not an illegal alien, and therefore subject to the same penalties that would befall all illegal aliens in his situation. Therefore, INELIGIBLE;
Constructive Knowledge would inform and confirm to all who have examined the facts of this collossal fraud being perpetrated upon We The People of America (see www.DrOrly.Blogspot.com – ‘Open Letter to C.J. Roberts’) that confirming the electoral votes and thereby furthering the act of installing Mr. Obama as POTUS could possibly be construed as failure to honor one’s oath of office.
Therefore, we are calling on you, as a member of Congress, sworn to uphold, protect, and defend that Constitution, to OBJECT to the counting and confirmation of those electoral votes until proof of his eligibility or ineligibility can be determined, and to call for indictments in regard to any and all alleged violations of U.S. laws and one’s sworn oath.
Please let us know if you intend to stand with We The People in this epic battle to defend and preserve our Constitution. Our Nation can survive four years of any President. It cannot survive without a Constitution.
Sincerely;
We The People of the United States of America
Please advise of your INTENT TO OBJECT to Doctor.Taitz@gmail.com
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THHuxley_redux
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Sooo.... it appears that our good dentist.... er, advocate Orly Taitz has lost faith in her own court cases?
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The Cat
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| piggy wrote: |
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| Hawaii State COLB is not a birth certificate, unless you can show that it is provided for as a substitute by LAW. .............. NOT BUREAUCRATIC INVENTION ............ |
A COLB is a birth certificate BY DEFINITION.
It is not a substitute for anything.
It is absolute legal proof of Obama's citizenship by birth. |
YOU are an ego-tripper BY DEFINITION!
YOU LOST ........... learn to live with it. |
piggy, please...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
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| A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there. |
Your position has no legal standing, yet just like Mr. Vieira you'd rather contest the whole American Judiciary system than acknowledge this simple fact!
From your opinionated stands: no American passport or driver license would be legal throughout America and... the world.
You'd place yourself in the position described here:
Imagine you need to apply for a passport, so you go to your home registry of birth and, later, your bring that certification of birth back to the passport office. There, they say: we can't take this form, we need the original from your hospital, nothing else can do. You'd be stunned all the way back to your Register and a lot more when you hear him saying that they simply can't deliver the original from the hospital, because it must remains in the vault. What they have given you is good enough... You'd end up with no passport! And now it's time to renew your driver's license... etc, etc.
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Gaul&Carthage
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Why is constructed cr*ap so important anyway?
How low is this whole argument? For f*ucks sake, raise the game!
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Brave Steed
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piggy, please...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214
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| A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there. |
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That's obsolete information, Mr. Cat, published back in August, 2008. There have been advances since then and WND has revised their position based upon the revelation of new information to one that is more in alignment with the position taken by piggy, myself and others in "our camp" who have posted here.
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THHuxley_redux
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Brave Steed wrote: |
| That's obsolete information, Mr. Cat, published back in August, 2008. There have been advances since then and WND has revised their position based upon the revelation of new information to one that is more in alignment with the position taken by piggy, myself and others in "our camp" who have posted here. |
This is not true.
Later WND authors who were not involved in the original WND investigation have written stories that do not agree that the COLB is authentic. But the original WND investigation has itself never been challenged, changed, revised, refuted or retracted.
Let me put as fine a point as possible on that statement:
The original WND investigation has itself never been challenged, changed, revised, refuted or retracted.
WND conducted their own investigation using their own "experts." Among the findings were that the internet bloggers claiming the COLB was forged were themselves committing forgeries.
There were only two such bloggers at the time: "TechDude" and "Polarik."
Even in their most recent article WND does not claim the COLB is a forgery. They instead dismiss it as "as irrelevant, since at the time Hawaii granted such documents to parents whose children were born outside the state."
Of course, they are factually in error there, but that is neither here nor there. They have never changed their position that the COLB was authentic.
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THHuxley_redux
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Status of the Legal Actions:
As of my last count, there have been 19 different decisions in 12 different courts regarding the issue of Obama's qualifications for President of the United States. 7 of them have been made by the US Supreme Court.
100% of them have been in Obama's favor.
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piggy
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| THHuxley_redux wrote: |
| piggy wrote: |
| YOU are an ego-tripper BY DEFINITION! |
Blah, blah, blah, blah....
You don't know the law. You invent fake distinctions. You dismiss every legal authority on the issue. You redefine words at whim. You can't tell one nation's law from another's. You absolutely lie about what the State of Hawaii's process and procedures are. You repeat ad nauseam claims that have already been shown worthless.
And for all your frothing and spinning the following facts still remain:
1. A state issued and certified COLB is a birth certificate by definition. It is by law absolute legal proof of citizenship by birth.
2. It meets the State Department's standards for proof of citizenship by birth exactly.
3. Obama's COLB specifically has been declared by the Hawaiian State Department of Health as "a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.”
4. There exists no evidence anywhere that contradicts it.
If you consider that a "loss" it would only be another example of your complete detachment from simple truth. You may have not noticed, but we are now three weeks from Obama's inauguration with no prospect of anything standing in the way.
Buh-bye. |
My point has been made, much to your dislike at being proven WRONG!
Squirm all you like, it won't change that FACT!
FACT ............. the birth certificate & the extract are two different documents.
Both are endorsed by authorized officials ......... but CLEARLY DIFFERENT documents = NOT THE SAME ............. duh!
You have admitted that there is no legislation that provides for a COLB to be acceptable as a substitute for a BIRTH CERTIFICATE as the regulation/code REQUIRES, and that the COLB is a bureaucrat's invention.
Therefore Obama has not made (if at all) an acceptable CLAIM (yet to be approved) of citizenship until such time as he produces a BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
Here is an image copy of a Hawaiian certification (NOT certificate) of live birth - NOT a Birth Certificate.
Here is the image copy of a Hawaiian certification (NOT certificate) of live birth provided by the Obamabots - NOT a Birth Certificate.
Here is an image copy of a BIRTH CERTIFICATE (NOT certification) - a certified image copy.
The certification (COLB) provided by Obama is NOT an ORIGINAL birth certificate (which IS available upon application) NOR is it a COPY of the ORIGINAL.
It relies on information that is may well have been submitted for the records by lay-persons who have uttered false oath and set in motion as hoax............... Obama's reluctance and apparent refusal to furnish an image copy of the ORIGINAL BC is in defiance of the regulations, the US Constitution & those PEOPLE of USA who have every right to petition the US Govt to redress their grievance in this matter.
The ONLY reliable source of information for Obama's CLAIM, (still in progress and subject to approval of citizenship) to be in accordance with the regulations, is to furnish an image copy of the ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
Cop it sweet ............... you have been proven WRONG!
I know you still don't like it!
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amazedatyou
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You have proved nothing piggy. Hawaii does not issue the long form, the short form is sufficient proof as to citizenship. As Hux said, Hawaiian officials have verified Obama's birth certificate.
And for the record my daughters and my birth certificate are certification of live birth. And I can guarantee we were both born in the U.S, and are legal citizens. |
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THHuxley_redux
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| piggy wrote: |
| FACT ............. the birth certificate & the extract are two different documents. |
And yet they are still both birth certificates, as required by law to prove citizenship by birth.
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| Both are endorsed by authorized officials ......... but CLEARLY DIFFERENT documents = NOT THE SAME ............. duh! |
Yet, still both birth certificates as required by law to prove citizenship by birth.
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| You have admitted that there is no legislation that provides for a COLB to be acceptable as a substitute for a BIRTH CERTIFICATE as the regulation/code REQUIRES, and that the COLB is a bureaucrat's invention. |
The COLB is a birth certificate, so it substitutes for nothing. It already fulfills the law. All birth certificates are "bureaucrats inventions."
Even yours.
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Brave Steed
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| THHuxley_redux wrote: |
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| That's obsolete information, Mr. Cat, published back in August, 2008. There have been advances since then and WND has revised their position based upon the revelation of new information to one that is more in alignment with the position taken by piggy, myself and others in "our camp" who have posted here. |
This is not true. |
Every word I wrote is true.
The Editor-In-Chief and owner of World Net Daily, Joseph Farah, now takes the position that "unless we're going to live under an honor system in the future, one that relies solely on what a candidate says about his own eligibility, there is no reason to believe Obama is. There is simply no valid evidence to prove it, and there is plenty to raise doubts."
See http://wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=83147
If the boss of WND, Joseph Farah, has written that, and he has, then that means that WND has that position, which is at variance from the earlier position. Hence, it has to be concluded, they have revised their position.
| THHuxley_redux wrote: |
| the original WND investigation has itself never been challenged, changed, revised, refuted or retracted. |
So what? They are busy moving forward. I suppose you have a strong urge to tell them how to run their online newspaper, Mr. Huxley, but - sorry to say - you are not the boss of the world and your opinions mean less than you might hope.
Here's their latest Obama eligibility related story:
This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows.
To view this item online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=84966
Tuesday, December 30, 2008
OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Eligibility case
finds 'standing'?
New suit claims unique state law
enables citizens to demand proof
Posted: December 30, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern
By Drew Zahn
WorldNetDaily
Attorney Stephen Pidgeon
A new case challenging Barack Obama's natural-born citizenship and, therefore, constitutional eligibility to serve as president has the potential to clear a hurdle that caused several other similar cases' dismissal: the issue of "standing."
In the case brought by Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg, for example, a federal judge ruled against the lawsuit in deciding Berg lacked the "standing" to sue, arguing that the election of Obama wouldn't cause the plaintiff specific, personal injury.
In Washington state's Broe v. Reed case, however, plaintiff's attorney Stephen Pidgeon says a unique state statute grants everyday citizens the required standing.
"These lawsuits have pointed their fingers at the various secretaries of state and said, 'You handle the elections, it's your job [to verify Obama's eligibility],'" Stephen Pidgeon told WND, "and the secretaries of state have said, 'No, it's not our job. You the voter have to prove he was ineligible.' But when the voters try to do it, the courts tell them they have no standing. So it presents a catch-22.
"Here, we have standing by means of statute," Pidgeon continued. "This particular statute provides for any registered voter to challenge the election of a candidate if the candidate at the time of the election was ineligible to hold office."
Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 200,000 others and sign up now!
Further, Pidgeon explained, "In Washington we also have a constitutional clause in Article 1 that says the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of land, so it's very much a state issue that the secretary of state has a duty to enforce the U.S. Constitution.
"He doesn't think he does; we think he does. That's really the issue before the court," Pidgeon said.
Washington's secretary of state, Mr. Sam Reed, has opposed the lawsuit, brought by a group of 12 registered Washington voters with Pidgeon's representation, on several grounds, including the argument that the issue is moot now that Obama has been voted upon by the people.
Pidgeon argues, however, that even if Obama remains in office two years from now, the issue will not be moot.
"The Constitution's criteria for president are never moot," Pidgeon explained. "Article 2, Section 1 says 'eligible to the Office of President'; it doesn't say 'eligible for candidacy to the Office of President."
Therefore, Pidgeon argues, the Constitution's natural-born citizen clause specifically and expressly addresses the man sitting in the Oval Office, not just the main elected and waiting to get in.
"If, at any time during his tenure, a birth certificate actually surfaces showing [Obama] born in Kenya," Pidgeon said, "he is disqualified from the presidency at any time. And the constitutional crisis that is rising out of this – the longer he's in that office, the greater the problem becomes, because everything he does will be illegal."
The Washington Supreme Court is set to hear Broe v. Reed on Jan. 8, but the entire case may be delayed intentionally, as the plaintiffs wait to see if the court will rule first on a requested subpoena of Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii.
Unlike other states where lawsuits challenging Obama's natural-born citizen status were required to move through lower courts, Washington law grants the case "original jurisdiction" at the state Supreme Court, which means the plaintiff can present new evidence, including – if the court will indeed subpoena it – Obama's birth records.
"We have opportunity to present facts before the Supreme Court, where you wouldn't have that normally," Pidgeon told WND. "With original jurisdiction, we have the opportunity to present factual argument, and so what we have said to the court is, 'At no time did Senator Obama produce a single piece of evidence upon which the secretary of state could rely to establish that he was a natural born citizen, or that he was even an American citizen, or that he was running under his legal name.' Those are the three facets of our lawsuit."
Pidgeon also told WND that the case's primary hurdle now is the natural predisposition judges have toward complying with the democratic will of the people. They rarely "upset the apple cart," Pidgeon said, by overturning the results of an election.
Still, Pidgeon believes pursuing Broe v. Reed is necessary.
"I expect the truth of Senator Obama's birth is going to come out," Pidgeon told WND. "It may not be today, it may not be tomorrow, but the truth of his birth is going to come out, and when that true fact comes out that he was born in Kenya, we will have an unprecedented constitutional crisis in this nation.
"The question is," Pidgeon figures, "will the Washington Supreme Court stand for the rule of law or are they going to stand for an overthrow of the constitutional republic by the will of the electorate?"
Last month, WND reported on the potential complications an ineligible president could create.
"Should Senator Obama be discovered, after he takes office, to be ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and, thereby, his election declared void," argues a similar case brought by Alan Keyes and pending in California, "Americans will suffer irreparable harm in that (a) usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal."
With such high stakes potentially at risk, WND earlier launched a letter campaign to contact Electoral College members and urge them to review the controversy.
That followed a campaign that sent more than 60,000 letters by overnight delivery to the U.S. Supreme Court when one case contesting Obama's eligibility for the Oval Office was pending.
A separate petition, already signed by more than 200,000 also is ongoing asking authorities in the election to seek proof Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi had gone to both Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.
The biggest question was why, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists as his campaign has stated, Obama hasn't simply ordered it made available to settle the rumors
The governor's office in Hawaii said there is a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin: Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth or was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii?
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