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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:20 am    Post subject: Crazy Stuff Some Muslims Believe Reply with quote

Feel Free to add you own, make sure you use pictures, and if you can the same format,


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Jinns :

Creatures with free will made form smokeless fire,they are invisible,they can be Muslim,Christian,Jewish,Buddhist,or even atheist.Some of them are pranksters and will try to f.ck with you.


A muslims asking help,she thinks a jinn is have sex with her for the past two years :

Quote:
jinni is having sex with me from last 2 years. Is this possible? If yes, what is the proper cure according to Quran and Sunnah?


http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=e&Id=91112&Option=FatwaId


Some muslims might send you this picture as PROOF that jinns exist ;




and you can send them THIS picture











Stoning Satan :


There are many rituals that muslims have to do on the pilgrimage to Mecca ,which every muslim should do at least once in his lifetime.

One of them is stoning satan,yep.

amy al-jamarāt is part of the annual Islamic Hajj pilgrimage to the holy city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Muslim pilgrims fling pebbles at three walls called jamarat in the city of Mina just east of Mecca. It is one of a series of ritual acts that must be performed in the Hajj.Until 2004 the three jamarat (singular: jamrah) were tall pillars. After the 2004 Hajj, Saudi authorities replaced the pillars with 26-meter-(85 ft) long walls.for safety; many people had been trampled to death while stoning the pillars in very crowded conditions.














Black Magic

They actually belive in this ;

Quote:

Book 023, Number 5081:

'Amir b. Sa'd b. Abu Waqqas reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who ate seven 'ajwa' dates in the morning, poison and magic will not harm him on that day.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/023.smt.html


Quote:
Volume 8, Book 75, Number 400:

Narrated 'Aisha:

that Allah's Apostle was affected by magic, so much that he used to think that he had done something which in fact, he did not do, and he invoked his Lord (for a remedy). ....

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/075.sbt.html


so take SEVEN of these and you'll be fine if you take some poison,any takers ?









*~*~**~*~*~**~**~
Bounus :


Harry potter is haram,instead read the Quran....better stories :


Quote:
Question

Can one read Harry Potter books just for fun if it does not have any impact on our Ibadah or other activities?

It is more appropriate for a Muslim to avoid such stories, and entertain himself by reading something that does not include any expected danger or harm.

The Qur'an and its stories and the Sunnah of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) and its lessons are far better than the story of Harry Potter.
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=87235&Option=FatwaId








Muhammed Split the Moon 1400 years ago :




In my opnion this is the funniest,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZbSotJbfUg

So they think one of muhammed's miracles is splitting the moon

Quote:

The hour drew nigh and the moon did rend asunder.
And if they see a miracle they turn aside and say: Transient magic.
And they call (it) a lie, and follow their low desires; and every affair has its appointed term.54:001,54:003


their evidence for it ; a f.cking picture from a Lunar Rill



which is not very impressive when you look at it from a higher altitude



and that's not the only Rill on the moon ;

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=lunar%20rilles&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

and Allah is not very found of Europa,one of Jupiter's moons,"split" more than thousand times







Muhammed Flying to Heaven on a Human Faced Winged Horse

If you though invisible pink unicorn is crazy,





Muhammed claimed that he flew to heaven on a horse like creature,...

Quote:
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 227:

Narrated Abbas bin Malik:

Malik bin Sasaa said that Allah's Apostle described to them his Night Journey saying, "While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud who was by my side, "What does he mean?" He said, "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From the top of the chest." The Prophet further said, "He then took out my heart. Then a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled (with Belief) and then returned to its original place. Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me." (On this Al-Jarud asked, "Was it the Buraq, O Abu Hamza?" I (i.e. Anas) replied in the affirmative). The Prophet said, "The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight. I was carried on it, and Gabriel set out with me till we reached the nearest heaven.


http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.227


Later on,after marrying Ayesha,he notices a winged horse among Ayeshas dolls....and he ROTFL
Quote:

Book 41, Number 4914:

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:

When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) arrived after the expedition to Tabuk or Khaybar (the narrator is doubtful), the draught raised an end of a curtain which was hung in front of her store-room, revealing some dolls which belonged to her.

He asked: What is this? She replied: My dolls. Among them he saw a horse with wings made of rags, and asked: What is this I see among them? She replied: A horse. He asked: What is this that it has on it? She replied: Two wings. He asked: A horse with two wings? She replied: Have you not heard that Solomon had horses with wings? She said: Thereupon the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) laughed so heartily that I could see his molar teeth.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/041.sat.html#041.4914




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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Heat of the planet is the heat of hell. (taught to Muslim teenagers by Islam TV)

Wrong it is the heat of the sun

http://dev.nsta.org/ssc/moreinfo.asp?id=947

The sun sets in a muddy pool

Technically it can be correct but ONLY when the sun is at its lowest. This occurs in the winter time about the 21st of December. This is due to the tilt of the earth.

The winter solstice is the shortest day of the year and occurs on Dec 21 in the northern hemisphere. On this day the sun will rise well to the south of east, and will set well to the south of west. The altitude of the sun at solar noon will be 23.5 degrees less than it was on the equinox -- or, 50 -23.5 = 26.5 degrees in our Denver example. This will be the lowest that the noon sun will be in the sky all year.

The 23.5 degrees referred to above is the tilt of the earth axis of rotation relative to the plane of the earths orbit. The summer solstice in the northern hemisphere occurs when the north pole is tilted toward the sun, and the winter solstice when the north pole is tilted away from the sun.

Taken from:

http://www.builditsolar.com/SiteSurvey/site_survey.htm

The Koran implies that it is always in a muddy pool but Mo talks about it as the sun is in its lowest orbit which indicates it must been written in Winter. Also is looks like it is set in a pool, when it in fact isn't. NOT TRUE ALL YEAR ROUND.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

אשֶׁר וּבְרִיאוּת

Well if you dont have faith, then its easy to find fault in all religion.
But what really sets apart our great faiths is that if you apply a bit of logic, it fits perfectly well with our modern understanding of the Universe and how it functions.

I dont think there is anything amusing in what you are posting.

Now you wouldnt belive that the fact of Creation is ludicrous too, or do you?

You dont have to get nit-picky to insult any religion. You dont have to try hard if you wanted to. But then, by doing so you are actually throwing the baby out with the bathwater, in a manner of speaking. Because you see, the very concept of G-d can be put in the same league as the other seemingly supernatural concepts you have mentioned.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChabadMizrachi wrote:
Well if you dont have faith, then its easy to find fault in all religion.
But what really sets apart our great faiths is that if you apply a bit of logic, it fits perfectly well with our modern understanding of the Universe and how it functions.

I dont think there is anything amusing in what you are posting.

Now you wouldnt belive that the fact of Creation is ludicrous too, or do you?

You dont have to get nit-picky to insult any religion. You dont have to try hard if you wanted to. But then, by doing so you are actually throwing the baby out with the bathwater, in a manner of speaking. Because you see, the very concept of G-d can be put in the same league as the other seemingly supernatural concepts you have mentioned.


Well said and thanks. Welcome and glad to read your posts. I have read two by now.

Salam
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghostbusting wrote:
ChabadMizrachi wrote:
Well if you dont have faith, then its easy to find fault in all religion.
But what really sets apart our great faiths is that if you apply a bit of logic, it fits perfectly well with our modern understanding of the Universe and how it functions.

I dont think there is anything amusing in what you are posting.

Now you wouldnt belive that the fact of Creation is ludicrous too, or do you?

You dont have to get nit-picky to insult any religion. You dont have to try hard if you wanted to. But then, by doing so you are actually throwing the baby out with the bathwater, in a manner of speaking. Because you see, the very concept of G-d can be put in the same league as the other seemingly supernatural concepts you have mentioned.


Well said and thanks. Welcome and glad to read your posts. I have read two by now.

Salam


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A lot of such superstitions surrounding Islam often come from a mass variety of hadith, and many denounce these hadith, some denounce all hadith for this reason.

For instance concerning the Jinn, it has been argued that aspects of their characteristics are allegorical, and that these passages (the passages in the Quran) probably refer to characteristics in people.

"Some crazy stuff Muslims believe" hardly represents the many differences in opinion people have about these things, many take them as symbolic stories, others take them as miraculous reality, however most if not all agree there are lessons to be learned from such things and either way, they do not interfere with the pillars of Islam to the point where these superstitions are invaluable to the religion.

It is hardly productive to attack someone's belief in something on the basis that it is "crazy", it shows disrespect to say the least. There are better ways to address this issue and others.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ex-muslimah wrote:
The sun sets in a muddy pool

Technically it can be correct but ONLY when the sun is at its lowest. This occurs in the winter time about the 21st of December. This is due to the tilt of the earth.


Which muddy pool?


Ex-muslimah wrote:
The Koran implies that it is always in a muddy pool but Mo talks about it as the sun is in its lowest orbit which indicates it must been written in Winter. Also is looks like it is set in a pool, when it in fact isn't. NOT TRUE ALL YEAR ROUND.


Where does Quran imply that the sun is alawys in a muddy pool?

In case of ZQ's , it appeared to him that the sun was setting in a black lake or black sea. He might have seen it going down in the Black Sea.
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Zeitoon wrote:
A lot of such superstitions surrounding Islam often come from a mass variety of hadith, and many denounce these hadith, some denounce all hadith for this reason.

For instance concerning the Jinn, it has been argued that aspects of their characteristics are allegorical, and that these passages (the passages in the Quran) probably refer to characteristics in people.

"Some crazy stuff Muslims believe" hardly represents the many differences in opinion people have about these things, many take them as symbolic stories, others take them as miraculous reality, however most if not all agree there are lessons to be learned from such things and either way, they do not interfere with the pillars of Islam to the point where these superstitions are invaluable to the religion.

It is hardly productive to attack someone's belief in something on the basis that it is "crazy", it shows disrespect to say the least. There are better ways to address this issue and others.

Peace


Indeed.

Spot on.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

charleslemartel wrote:
ghostbusting wrote:
ChabadMizrachi wrote:
Well if you dont have faith, then its easy to find fault in all religion.
But what really sets apart our great faiths is that if you apply a bit of logic, it fits perfectly well with our modern understanding of the Universe and how it functions.

I dont think there is anything amusing in what you are posting.

Now you wouldnt belive that the fact of Creation is ludicrous too, or do you?

You dont have to get nit-picky to insult any religion. You dont have to try hard if you wanted to. But then, by doing so you are actually throwing the baby out with the bathwater, in a manner of speaking. Because you see, the very concept of G-d can be put in the same league as the other seemingly supernatural concepts you have mentioned.


Well said and thanks. Welcome and glad to read your posts. I have read two by now.

Salam


Seeing a snake and a mongoose cosying up to each other never fails to amaze me


In the matter of religion and the LORD Almighty, the Jews and the Muslims are extremely close. Both are fiercely Monotheistic.

That is the common bond in addition to the prophets and the Messages.
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Respect must be earned. Islam has not earned our respect. Look at the impact of Islam on non-Muslim lives. You Muslims killed, raped, plundered, and stole across continents. Your history is one of bloodshed, persecution and injustice towards disbelievers.

We have the right to ridicule your religion. It is something called 'freedom of speech'. If you don't like it - tough cheese. That's the Western way. Like it or lump it.
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ghostbusting wrote:
charleslemartel wrote:


Seeing a snake and a mongoose cosying up to each other never fails to amaze me


In the matter of religion and the LORD Almighty, the Jews and the Muslims are extremely close. Both are fiercely Monotheistic.

That is the common bond in addition to the prophets and the Messages.


Your Muhammad did not think so as he wanted all the Jews banished. Do you think he was wrong to want the banishment of Jews?
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ghostbusting wrote:

In the matter of religion and the LORD Almighty, the Jews and the Muslims are extremely close. Both are fiercely Monotheistic.

That is the common bond in addition to the prophets and the Messages.



Expelling from Arabian Peninsula

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Book 019, Number 4366:

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4366


Fighting Jews

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Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#0004.052.176



Ummar expelling Jews
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Volume 4, Book 53, Number 380:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Umar bin Al-Khattab expelled all the Jews and Christians from the land of Hijaz. Allah's Apostle after conquering Khaibar, thought of expelling the Jews from the land which, after he conquered it belonged to Allah, Allah's Apostle and the Muslims. But the Jews requested Allah's Apostle to leave them there on the condition that they would do the labor and get half of the fruits (the land would yield). Allah's Apostle said, "We shall keep you on these terms as long as we wish." Thus they stayed till the time of 'Umar's Caliphate when he expelled them to Taima and Ariha.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.053.380



Do the opposite



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Volume 7, Book 72, Number 786:

Narrated Abu Huraira :

The Prophet said, "Jews and Christians do not dye their hair so you should do the opposite of what they do.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/072.sbt.html#007.072.786

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Cassandra wrote:

We have the right to ridicule your religion. It is something called 'freedom of speech'. If you don't like it - tough cheese. That's the Western way. Like it or lump it.


I live in the West therefore there is no need to educate me on the matter. You'd do well to know that how you use your freedom says a lot about who you are. Though you may have the right to ridicule Islam, should you honestly do so? Does it honestly help?

Had I criticized you for attacking Islam, your argument would have silenced me, for I am impeaching on your right to whatever opinion you wish. But I am criticizing your method which serves for nothing but to deepen cracks between us. Would you sink to the level some Muslims have gone to to attack FFI?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zeitoon wrote:
A lot of such superstitions surrounding Islam often come from a mass variety of hadith, and many denounce these hadith, some denounce all hadith for this reason.

For instance concerning the Jinn, it has been argued that aspects of their characteristics are allegorical, and that these passages (the passages in the Quran) probably refer to characteristics in people.

"Some crazy stuff Muslims believe" hardly represents the many differences in opinion people have about these things, many take them as symbolic stories, others take them as miraculous reality, however most if not all agree there are lessons to be learned from such things and either way, they do not interfere with the pillars of Islam to the point where these superstitions are invaluable to the religion.

It is hardly productive to attack someone's belief in something on the basis that it is "crazy", it shows disrespect to say the least. There are better ways to address this issue and others.

Peace


Hello Zeitoon,

This is the first time I am addressing you in this forum. I have gone through your debate with Baal in our Exclusive Rooms. It was entertaining.

And now to come to the point; you say:
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"Some crazy stuff Muslims believe" hardly represents the many differences in opinion people have about these things, many take them as symbolic stories, others take them as miraculous reality, however most if not all agree there are lessons to be learned from such things


This is not something I would expect from you. What lessons are there to be learnt from something like this?

The Prophet said, "A strong demon from the Jinns came to me yesterday suddenly, so as to spoil my prayer, but Allah enabled me to overpower him, and so I caught him and intended to tie him to one of the pillars of the Mosque so that all of you might see him, but I remembered the invocation of my brother Solomon: 'And grant me a kingdom such as shall not belong to any other after me.' (38.35) so I let him go cursed." [Sahih Bukhari: Book: 55, Hadith:634]

Besides, what is more creepier than to believe your prophet caught a Jinn but had to release before others could have seen the demon?

And what is wrong in pointing out of these stupid stuffs Muslims believe in? Muslims should believe in djinns. I am sure you will agree with it. Then they would naturally believe in their prophet catching a jinni too. But how do these kinds of weird stuffs help you in any way? For me it only helps to create a bunch who will believe in anything if they come through a certain route.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haik Monsieur wrote:

This is the first time I am addressing you in this forum. I have gone through your debate with Baal in our Exclusive Rooms. It was entertaining.


It was embarrassing. That debate was a long time ago, I've changed a lot since then. I might as well admit, therefore, that I pulled out of the debate for I was running out of satisfactory answers to his questions and I did not have the time to commit to it anymore.

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The Prophet said, "A strong demon from the Jinns came to me yesterday suddenly, so as to spoil my prayer, but Allah enabled me to overpower him, and so I caught him and intended to tie him to one of the pillars of the Mosque so that all of you might see him, but I remembered the invocation of my brother Solomon: 'And grant me a kingdom such as shall not belong to any other after me.' (38.35) so I let him go cursed." [Sahih Bukhari: Book: 55, Hadith:634]


This hadith is an example of the type of hadith to be denounced. It is completely irrelevant to the Islamic faith and bears no relation whatsoever to the Quran. It is useless, like many, many hadith.

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This is not something I would expect from you. What lessons are there to be learnt from something like this?


Something you wouldn't expect from me? Why so judgmental? I hardly believe you know me enough to expect anything from me, but that is besides the point considering you misunderstood me. I didn't make myself clear however so I apologize.

What I meant were morals, ethical rules and such, that are learned from stories.

For example there is a story of a man who dreamed himself burying a pile of jewels. When he woke up, he was told that he had to do what he saw in his dream. He went out of his house and found a pile of jewels, and began to bury them. Every time he covered them with the soil, they would re-appear and no matter how many times he tried he could not bury them.

Now, whether you believe this story to be just a story or actual reality, it is taught that the jewels symbolize good deeds, and no matter how hard you try to hide your good deeds (it is said you shouldn't brag about the good deeds you've done, that it is better to try not to draw attention to yourself) God will bring them forth for others to see them.

Bottom line, I agree with you, there is no use to superstitions like eat with your right hand because if you don't the devil eats with you, or wash your nose when you wake up because the devil sleeps there. But I do see a certain amount of value in these sometimes outlandish stories and myths.

The true question is whether or not Islam and its pillars depend on these stories and superstitions.


It's nice to meet you Monsieur, you're one of the few I respect around here.

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