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skynightblaze
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 Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: Does Allah forgive or not? |
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chapter 39 verse 53.
Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah. for Allah forgives ALL sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
chapter 24 verse 2.
The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
In 39:53 Allah says he forgives "ALL THE SINS" . All the sins must include adultery as well but in 24:2 Allah commands humans not to fall for emotions and forgive the man and woman guilty of adultery which means Allah cannot forgive the sin of adultery.
Isnt this an internal contradiction?
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XXX
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If the sin remains concealed, you repent and it will be forgiven.
If it becomes public knowledge, and you are convicted in the Court for it, then the Hadd punishment you receive will free you of that sin in the hereafter. |
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Haik Monsieur
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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If the sin remains concealed, you repent and it will be forgiven.
If it becomes public knowledge, and you are convicted in the Court for it, then the Hadd punishment you receive will free you of that sin in the hereafter. |
Fornication and adultery in closed room will be forgiven by Allah; the only prerequisite is the sin should remain concealed.
Gosh.. Islam is really wonderful..!!
And you will not mention "Rajam (stoning to death) punishment" but only "Hadd..." 
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XXX
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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If the sin remains concealed, you repent and it will be forgiven.
If it becomes public knowledge, and you are convicted in the Court for it, then the Hadd punishment you receive will free you of that sin in the hereafter. |
Fornication and adultery in closed room will be forgiven by Allah; the only prerequisite is the sin should remain concealed.
Gosh.. Islam is really wonderful..!!
And you will not mention "Rajam (stoning to death) punishment" but only "Hadd..."
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I think that part was implied in my post. I was being more general. |
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Haik Monsieur
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| XXX wrote: |
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If the sin remains concealed, you repent and it will be forgiven.
If it becomes public knowledge, and you are convicted in the Court for it, then the Hadd punishment you receive will free you of that sin in the hereafter. |
Fornication and adultery in closed room will be forgiven by Allah; the only prerequisite is the sin should remain concealed.
Gosh.. Islam is really wonderful..!!
And you will not mention "Rajam (stoning to death) punishment" but only "Hadd..."
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I think that part was implied in my post. I was being more general. |
If you meant punishment in general that specification (Hadd) was unnecessary. Simply saying punishment would have been sufficient.
Something is still eating you from inside. I understand XXX.., You deserve something other than Islam. I swear;
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Lincoln
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Does Allah forgive or not? |
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| skynightblaze wrote: |
chapter 39 verse 53.
Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah. for Allah forgives ALL sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
chapter 24 verse 2.
The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
In 39:53 Allah says he forgives "ALL THE SINS" . All the sins must include adultery as well but in 24:2 Allah commands humans not to fall for emotions and forgive the man and woman guilty of adultery which means Allah cannot forgive the sin of adultery.
Isnt this an internal contradiction? |
My goodness! skynightblaze,
I am really surprised to see your post. Internal contradiction means what dear?
"Almighty God is merciful of all sins", does this statement allows you to commit all the sins of the world?.. I guess your answer will be affirmative as your previous post indicates.
Redemption is a mercy from God. Through sufferings and punishment sinners get the redemption. If God wishes then anything can happen if the sin remains concealed. But the point is that after you commit a sin , you have to repent to get the mercy!
Dear skynightblaze, these are seriously normal usual understanding and its stunning that I am explaining this stuffs! When you raised the question of internal contradiction-I doubted your intention! 
"Water water water
Water is every where
But not a drop to drink"
--------------------------What a punishment for the Ancient Mariner..
"Alone alone all , all alone
Alone on a wide --wide sea"
God took pity of him at last.
Forgiveness and Mercy --redemption , sufferings
Take care.
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Cassandra
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| What has "The Ryme of the Ancient Mariner" to do with allahpetooi? |
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Lincoln
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| What has "The Ryme of the Ancient Mariner" to do with allahpetooi? |
Hello Dear Cassandra,
I suppose that you love to invent some new words in order that you might become able to inflict some sort of frustration in the heart of a believer.
Now, dont you get the connection!Cassandra! The explanation says it all. Enjoy Coleridge. lol. Please seek not the additional part but in the core. 
punishment and mercy and redemption...
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Cassandra
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, so I mispelled Rime? Big deal?
Have you answered my query? I doubt it. |
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skynightblaze
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:43 am Post subject: |
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If the sin remains concealed, you repent and it will be forgiven.
If it becomes public knowledge, and you are convicted in the Court for it, then the Hadd punishment you receive will free you of that sin in the hereafter. |
Can you show me where quran said this ? Dont try to invent stuff here. Btw what sort of GOD is this who doesnt mind if a sin is carried out secretely?
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skynightblaze
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| Lincoln wrote: |
My goodness! skynightblaze,
I am really surprised to see your post. Internal contradiction means what dear?
"Almighty God is merciful of all sins", does this statement allows you to commit all the sins of the world?.. I guess your answer will be affirmative as your previous post indicates. |
It is sad to know that you are yet to understand the problem itself. Where did i say that since Allah forgives all the sins it is ok for us to commit the sins??
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Redemption is a mercy from God. Through sufferings and punishment sinners get the redemption. |
Forgiving means there should be no evil consequences whatever they may be after i commit a sin. Thats the definition of forgiving.
You say one has to suffer and go thorugh the punishment to get redemption . IF that is the case then it is not called forgiving.
for e.g if you commit any sin and ask me for forgival and i say i am forgiving you but i have to kill you. Am i forgiving you really?
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If God wishes then anything can happen if the sin remains concealed.
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This is strange. It would mean some of the people who commit adultery would go unpunished and some would be punished. ?IS Allah 100 % sure that adultery is a sin? I think not if what you say is true.
Do you see how badly this argument fires against this All knowing ALLAH??
Btw from where did you get this info? I would like to know your source that told you that if a sin remains concealed GOD may forgive.
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But the point is that after you commit a sin , you have to repent to get the mercy!
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That is not the case here in 24:2. Allah says we should not fall for emotions and forgive the man and woman committing adultery.Even If the man and woman repent after committing adultery we are not supposed to forgive them because if we do that we would be falling for emotions which is exactly what Allah forbids us from doing. sorry mate try your arguments somewhere else in a muslim forum where brain dead followers would buy it .
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Dear skynightblaze, these are seriously normal usual understanding and its stunning that I am explaining this stuffs! When you raised the question of internal contradiction-I doubted your intention!
"Water water water
Water is every where
But not a drop to drink"
--------------------------What a punishment for the Ancient Mariner..
"Alone alone all , all alone
Alone on a wide --wide sea"
God took pity of him at last.
Forgiveness and Mercy --redemption , sufferings
Take care.
Dear skynightblaze, these are seriously normal usual understanding and its stunning that I am explaining this stuffs! When you raised the question of internal contradiction-I doubted your intention!
"Water water water
Water is every where
But not a drop to drink"
--------------------------What a punishment for the Ancient Mariner..
"Alone alone all , all alone
Alone on a wide --wide sea"
God took pity of him at last.
Forgiveness and Mercy --redemption , sufferings
Take care. |
Read my response and original post thrice and may be you will regret that you posted some bull sh!t.
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skynightblaze
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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2.284.
To Allah belongeth all that is in the heavens and on earth. Whether ye show what is in your minds or conceal it, Allah Calleth you to account for it. He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and punisheth whom He pleaseth, for Allah hath power over all things.
6.54.
When those come to thee who believe in Our signs, Say: "Peace be on you: Your Lord hath inscribed for Himself (the rule of) mercy: verily, if any of you did evil in ignorance, and thereafter repented, and amend (his conduct), lo! He is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.
Hello ALL,
I think there is another contradiction in quran with regards to Allah forgiving. In 2.284 Allah says that he forgives whoever he pleases . This means Allah forgives randomly however in the verse 6.54 Allah says that if you commit a sin in ignorance and thereafter repent then you will be forgiven . This means Allah forgives conditionally.
so does Allah forgive conditionally or randomly?
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piscohot
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Does Allah forgive or not? |
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| skynightblaze wrote: |
chapter 39 verse 53.
Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah. for Allah forgives ALL sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
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Hello skynightblaze,
If Allah forgive all sins, why would he seal the hearts, blind the eyes and block the ears of 4/5 of the world's population?
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skynightblaze
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Does Allah forgive or not? |
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| skynightblaze wrote: |
chapter 39 verse 53.
Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah. for Allah forgives ALL sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
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Hello skynightblaze,
If Allah forgive all sins, why would he seal the hearts, blind the eyes and block the ears of 4/5 of the world's population? |
Hmm this didnt occur to me. Thats a good question and yet further exposes the fraud Allah.I see the entire quran as a total fraud having so many internal contradictions indicating that its author was someone illiterate who had no sense of art of writing.I wonder how could muslims be proud of their religion even despite of so many obvious errors .
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XXX
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| skynightblaze wrote: |
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If the sin remains concealed, you repent and it will be forgiven.
If it becomes public knowledge, and you are convicted in the Court for it, then the Hadd punishment you receive will free you of that sin in the hereafter. |
Can you show me where quran said this ? Dont try to invent stuff here. |
It was reported from ‘Ubaadah ibn al-Saamit (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, when there was a group of his Sahaabah around him: “Give allegiance to me that you will not associate anything in worship with Allaah, not steal, not commit fornication, not kill your children… and not disobey me in what is right. Whoever among you fulfils this, his reward will be with Allaah. Whoever commits any of these sins will be punished in this world and that will be an expiation for him. Whoever commits any of these sins but Allaah conceals it, then it will be for Allaah to decide: if He wills, He will forgive him, and if He wills, He will punish him.” So we gave allegiance to him on that basis.
Abu Hurayrah said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “All of my ummah will be forgiven except those who sin openly. It is a part of sinning openly when a man does something at night, then the following morning when Allaah has concealed his sin, he says, ‘O So and so, I did such and such last night,’ when all night his Lord has concealed him and the next morning he uncovers what Allaah had concealed.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5721; Muslim, 2990).
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| Btw what sort of GOD is this who doesnt mind if a sin is carried out secretely |
Where has it ever been stated that he doesn't mind you sinning in secret?? 
I think you're mistaking your own ignorance on this subject for so called contradictions. |
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