Somethings which are interesting

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He wanted to show off before the pagans?????? My God, this is PROOF that he incorporated the Kaaba and the black stone into Islam in order to appease the pagans. Wow!!! There it is folks, right in front of your face.
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[ixolite]

No, mohammedans aren't idolators:




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"Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience." - Goldthwait H. Dorr

[S.A.M]

"And (remember) when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka'aba in Makkah), (praying): Our Lord! Accept from us (this service). Verily! You, only You, are the Hearer, the Knower. Our Lord! And make us submissive unto You and of our offspring a nation submissive unto You, and show us our ways of worship, and relent toward us. Verily! You, only You, are the Relenting, the Merciful. Our Lord! And send among them a messenger from among them who shall recite unto them Your verses, and shall instruct them in the Book and in wisdom and shall purify them. Verily! You, only You, are the Mighty, the Wise. And who desires other than the path of Abraham except he who befools himself? Truly, We chose him in this world, and Verily! In the Hereafter he shall be among the righteous. When his Lord said unto him: Surrender! (literally: Be a 'Muslim') he said: I have surrendered (Literally: I have become a 'Muslim') to the Lord of creation. The same did Abraham enjoin upon his sons, and also Jacob, (saying): O my sons! Verily! Allah hath chosen for you the (true) religion; therefore die not save as men who have surrendered (Literally: Have become 'Muslims'). Or were you witnesses when death came to Jacob? When he said unto his sons: What will you worship after me? They said: We shall worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, One God, and unto Him we have surrendered. That was a nation which has passed away. They shall receive the reward of that which they earned, and you of what you earned. And you will not be asked of what they used to do. And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then you will be rightly guided. Say: Nay, rather the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he did not associate partners (with Allah). Say: We believe in Allah and that which was revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the twelve sons of Jacob, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and that which the Prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered. And if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided. But if they turn away, then they are in discord, and Allah will suffice you against them. He is the Hearer, the Knower. The religion of Allah!, and which religion can be better than Allah's? and we are His worshippers. Say (unto the People of the Scripture): Do you dispute with us concerning Allah when He is our Lord and your Lord? Ours are our works and yours your works. And we are sincere in worship to Him(alone). Or do you say that Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the sons of Jacob were Jews or Christians? Say: Do you know best, or does Allah? And who is more unjust than he who hides the testimony which he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do. That was a nation which has passed away. They shall receive the reward of that which they earned, and you of what you earned. And you will not be asked of what they used to do."

Qur'an, Al-Baqarah(2):127-141

[Haik Monsieur]

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Picture in ixolite's post above ignited something inside. We see thousands are worshipping their deity Allah but they prostrate in front of a cube like structure without roof.

Prayer to god (some Muslims do it three times but majority of them pray five times a day) is the most prominent of all reverential activities in Islam. According to sahih sources, the first thing man will be questioned on resurrection day is of his prayers. No Muslim of any kind is exempted from these obligatory prayers in Islam. Even a disabled is obliged to perform it according to his abilities. I.e. if the guy is severely handicapped to perform prayers he should visualize doing all activities of it and move his eye balls accordingly. There is no exemption in Islam for anyone, be it one bedridden.

Therefore, five times (or three times) prayers are unavoidable and quite imperative for a Muslim. It is considered to be a direct conversation to god. Here is the matter with Islam..!!! These prayers are done aiming to a specific direction. In the picture above, all are prostrating but for a black cube like structure. It is palpable in the picture. If Islam is free from idolatry, what does this cube mean to them? It is used as a medium for their most important reverential activity. And this prayer is their direct conversation to god Allah; why should Muslims need a cube as a medium to communicate to their god? How does this differ to pure idolatry?

We know from Islamic sources Abdul Muttalib used Hubal (an idol brought from Mesopotamia by Amr Bin Luayy, and instituted as the chief idol among the various idols of Kaaba at pre-Islamic period) as a medium to communicate to god. [Ibn Ishaq 94] Here Abdul Muttalib, the grandfather of Muhammad was praying directly to his god but was simply using Hubal as a medium. It is regarded as pure idolatry in Islam. Abdul Muttalib though being the grand of Muhammad; was a pagan and his practices were all pagan practices.

If we look more closely on this matter, what Abdul Muttalib then did and what Muslims do now are essentially similar. Muslims use Kaaba a cube like structure as their medium while Abdul Muttalib used an idol of many idols as his. But both were doing the same act. Communicating to god; this can not be denied because Muslims from Indonesia to USA should definitely have the picture of this cube in their mind when they turn towards the direction of Mecca while praying. And once they physically reach the place of Kaaba, all are prostrating in front of this cube but still they claim it is not idolatry..!!

The Muslim defense here is they are just obeying the command of their god and it is not attributing any divinity to Kaaba which is only a structure. Well, if they do not attribute divinity to this structure, why should they turn towards it while revering a divine god? Can not or could not any Muslim sense a relation between their divine god and this cube so far?

Regards
KhaliL
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[Mersk]

In other words ... Muslims need to talk to a ROCK, have one way conversation with a Rock to connect with Allah. Destroy the MotherStone of Islam and Muslims will lose all communication with Allah. ATT, Alcatel, Optus, are just not enough good for Islam. Of course Muslims don't see the connection the divinity of the Rock with Allah. It has no special powers whatsoever!!
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MAM = Muslims acting as Muslim Affairs Ministers for Modk. HAM = Last Profit of Islam.

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Abraham of God. Ka'aba - Muslim sanctuary in Mecca, built by Abraham. Kabbala - Hebrew tradition, esoteric Jewish mysticism claiming secret knowledge of the unwritten Torah, which God communicated to Moses.
Hajj, or pilgrimage. It is said in the Quran that Abraham, the father of the nations and the fountain from which such streams as Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad came, had offered a prayer when leaving his son Ishmael in the barren desert of Arabia. His heart was broken, and there came forth from it a prayer, 'O Lord, bless this land, that it may become a center of attraction to the whole world.' And so it happened in the course of time that the Word of God was born again among the descendants of Ishmael, Muhammad who glorified the name of the Lord of Abraham aloud. This was heard from the depths of the earth to the summit of heaven, and re-echoed from the North to the South Pole. It shook the nations and stirred up races, and so pierced the hearts of men that this desert which bore no fruit, no treasure of any kind, which had no beauty of scenery, no charm of climate, became the center of attraction for numberless souls; and they came from all parts of the world and assembled in that land of bliss, king and pauper standing shoulder to shoulder, both recognizing the equality of men in the Presence of God. The strong and the weak, rich and poor, high and low, civilized and uncivilized, all come year by year on pilgrimage to Mecca in this land. They all are clad in one piece of cloth, that all may look alike to show before God and humanity the equality of the human brotherhood. This is Hajj.

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