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infidel_01

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject:

Just one question. How many of Obama supporters here on FFI tried to answer the questions raised by Ali Sina or others, regarding Obama's dishonesty, lies, etc? _________________ It is NOT IMMORAL for muslims to have non-muslims as slaves and sex slaves; But it is definitely IMMORAL for non-Muslims to own Muslim slaves -- Allah Diya, MTD & NAV; WHY? None could answer

ixolite

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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject:

infidel_01 wrote:

Just one question. How many of Obama supporters here on FFI tried to answer the questions raised by Ali Sina or others, regarding Obama's dishonesty, lies, etc?

You obviously haven't looked into the main Obama-thread lately, where Hux and others are debunking all the conspiracy crap over and over and over and over.....again. By now it looks like a discussion with mohammedans, where their arguments are debunked, but they bring the same arguments again and again. It looks like a kafir version of a Koran peadophila discussion.
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infidel_01

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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject:

ixolite wrote:

infidel_01 wrote:

Just one question. How many of Obama supporters here on FFI tried to answer the questions raised by Ali Sina or others, regarding Obama's dishonesty, lies, etc?

Thanks ixo, I admit I didn't look lately. But I'll now.
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The Cat

Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Posts: 4357

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject:

ixolite wrote:

infidel_01 wrote:

Just one question. How many of Obama supporters here on FFI tried to answer the questions raised by Ali Sina or others, regarding Obama's dishonesty, lies, etc?

Would you mind if I quote this over there? It's pretty accurate!
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ixolite

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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject:

Nope. Feel free to. _________________ </islam> "Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience." - Goldthwait H. Dorr

Ali Sina

Joined: 13 Feb 2004
Posts: 4607

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject:

ast234 wrote:

You are slipping Ali. This is a weak response and I don't think you even think you read what I wrote. You assume I am a "cultist" and uncapable of free thinking.

I do not assume you are a cultist. I know you are. Cultists do not know they are victims. They laugh and mock when you try to wake them up. But they act vicious towards those who criticize their beloved leader.

If a cultist realizes he is a victim, he won't be a victim anymore. You are a cultist. This is evident from the viciousness in your attack. You will never see the supporters of McCain, Clintons or other politicians behave in such a way that Obama worshippers act.

I read that in many areas where the support for Obama was strong, police got prepared for an uprising and violence should Obama lose the election. Never such fear existed in America.

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I did NOT accuse you of being on anyone's payroll. I accused your article of being a publicity stunt in order to generate controversey. That is my opinion. Your views on Obama are merely your opinion, which is not supported by any hard facts. For your article, I'll stick to the facts.

In other words you failed to refute any of my charges against this freak and all you could do attack my intention. That sounds familiar to me. I did not just give my opinion of Obama. I backed everything I said with facts. Which facts are you sticking to? The fact that rise from your belly? My articles about Obama are full of facts. I have shown his continuous lies, his secretiveness, his pomposity and megalomania despite his nugatory life achievement. His corruption and lust for luxury, his support of his thuggish cousin who butchered over a thousand people and burned churches to come to power, his association with the most evil minded criminals, racists and scum of the society, his demeanor, and many other facts. You have not even read my article in full and have not refuted any of the evidences I provided. What facts you have given? What is the difference between your drivel and what Muslims say.

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I refuted a paragraph of your article. You argued that Obama may not be an American citizen. I refuteed that claim. Offer a counter rebuttal.

You have not refuted, you simply denied. The only way that that argument can be refuted if if Obama shows his real BC. Even then that does not mean he is qualified. He had dual citizenship and this alone disqualifies him.
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Ali Sina

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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:47 am Post subject:

The Cat wrote:

ixolite wrote:

infidel_01 wrote:

Just one question. How many of Obama supporters here on FFI tried to answer the questions raised by Ali Sina or others, regarding Obama's dishonesty, lies, etc?

Would you mind if I quote this over there? It's pretty accurate!

Sure. Huxley has debunked all that in the same way Muslims have debunked any argument against Islam.

It is amazing that once people become cultists their brains start functioning in exacgt same way.

The argument against Obama is simple. Here it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX7uuhHXs-0

You can repeat ad nauseum the same garbage, but repetition dose not make something wrong right. It just show you are cultists. Hooliganism, mockery, boorishness and twisted reasoning are not substitutes to evidence. If Obama is eligible why is he hiding the evidence? If you can't understand this simple question, you are not fit to debate with Muslims as you yourselves are in deep holes. Blinds cannot lead blinds.

You can't see how identical you have become to Muslims. This is pathetic.
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CuteCoot

Joined: 07 Nov 2005
Posts: 423
Location: Australia

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:11 am Post subject:

Ali Sina wrote:

If Obama is eligible why is he hiding the evidence?

There is no "if" about it, Ali. Obama is eligible. He has provided unassailable documentary evidence to that effect.

He is not "hiding" anything relevant to this case. He is merely responding to legal actions in a legally appropriate way.

I don't like him any more than you do but I don't think he's as dangerous and despicable as he's been made out to be (around here).

And even if he is dangerous and despicable, there is (so far) no legally actionable case against him. So until there is, we must, as reasonable and civilized people, give him the benefit of the doubt.

Radagast

Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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Location: aka Righteous

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:24 am Post subject:

CuteCoot wrote:

I don't like him any more than you do but I don't think he's as dangerous and despicable as he's been made out to be (around here).

Surely nobody can be dumber, stupider and more dangerous than G.W. Bush.
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CuteCoot

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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:57 am Post subject:

Radagast wrote:

Surely nobody can be dumber, stupider and more dangerous than G.W. Bush.

I don't happen to agree with your assessment but for the sake of argument, let's say that Bush was the dumbest, most stupid and most dangerous leader of our times. Unfortunately it follows that the US electorate was pretty dumb, stupid and dangerous to have voted him in in the first place. It doesn't give me much confidence in what they've just done. How do you know for sure that this is not an even bigger mistake?

Radagast

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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:08 am Post subject:

CuteCoot wrote:

Radagast wrote:

Surely nobody can be dumber, stupider and more dangerous than G.W. Bush.

I don't happen to agree with your assessment but for the sake of argument, let's say that Bush was the dumbest, most stupid and most dangerous leader of our times.

Okay.. let us accept that for now.

CuteCoot wrote:

Unfortunately it follows that the US electorate was pretty dumb, stupid and dangerous to have voted him in in the first place.

That statement only means sense if we ascribe perfect foresight to the American public for electing him. I don't think we actually knew he was as dumb as he was when we elected him.

CuteCoot wrote:

It doesn't give me much confidence in what they've just done. How do you know for sure that this is not an even bigger mistake?

We don't. Democracy is not about perfect foresight. It is about the majority and what the collective view is. Might be right, or might be wrong... but we have no better system.

I'm sanguine enough to realize that a democratic election would not elect the best candidate that mankind has available. But I am loathe to recommend a better system.
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The Cat

Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Posts: 4357

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:21 am Post subject:

Ali Sina wrote:

Huxley has debunked all that in the same way Muslims have debunked any argument against Islam.

It is amazing that once people become cultists their brains start functioning in exacgt same way.

The argument against Obama is simple. Here it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX7uuhHXs-0

You can repeat ad nauseum the same garbage, but repetition dose not make something wrong right. It just show you are cultists. Hooliganism, mockery, boorishness and twisted reasoning are not substitutes to evidence. If Obama is eligible why is he hiding the evidence? If you can't understand this simple question, you are not fit to debate with Muslims as you yourselves are in deep holes. Blinds cannot lead blinds.

You can't see how identical you have become to Muslims. This is pathetic.

Aligning yourself with nutcases like Phil Berg and Donofrio on Obama hiding 'evidence' is far from from attesting your own credibility. You won't make your pretensions prevailing over the law, but its something that can't even reach your delusion. Then you state that I or Huxley aren't fit to debate with Muslims as being ourselves in 'deep holes'. Yet, in another thread you said :

Ali Sina wrote:

At least religious people hold unto some sort of morality that people with no religion miserably lack. How do I think this can be resolved? I have no answer. Here you win and I lose.

Here, you do endorse religious moralities (Islamic or else) over any secular value. Then you conclude that people like me or Huxley had become like Muslims!

So, who's being 'pathetic' here? I will let a flow of posts answers:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59626

Infidel_tiger wrote:

Absurd fabricated speculation without a shred of evidence. More evidence that FFI has become a Christian Republican rightwing site.

Yuyutsu wrote:

With due respect (and concern) I think Ali should use an alternative id for posting any further on Obama.

planck wrote:

Ali Sina wrote:

This is only a thought. A crazy thought, if you will. But a thought that is not improbable, should Obama suffer from NPD and had he not been able to convince his Baptist grandmother to lie for him.

I assume the lie is in reference to his "kenyan" birth. But as for the former, the ailment is called apophenia, the experience of seeing patterns or connections in random or meaningless data:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
Ali, free thought is alright and I believe in brainstorming. But purposely killing his grandmother is not rational. These kinds of speculations only add to the apophenia.

planck wrote:

Ali Sina wrote:

Obama is the only man that with great certainly I can say is a pathological narcissist, bereft of conscience and capable of committing genocide. He has not killed yet anyone, so how I can say such thing with streight face? It is because of his profile. Obama has the same psychological profile that other monsters of history had. Putin is another narcissist. But Obama is far more narcissist than Putin.

This is precisely the type of hyperbole that cheapens political discussion. I didn't like it when the left called george bush--hitler, so why resort to extremes when it comes to obama. Like I stated, there is so much there to attack obama on policy and substance. But to suggest that he killed, or helped to kill, his grandma is ludicrous.

Infidel_tiger wrote:

Dear Ali,

You are accusing the president (to be ) of the United States of murder.
You had better realize that you are fast losing any credibility you have.

mrcommonsensenow wrote:

Dear God Ali, just when I thought you could not sink any lower you go and prove me wrong again.

pollos wrote:

Dear Ali Sina,

I think by writing this article, you decrease your integrity your self.
I respect you for what you have done so far and like almost all of articles written by you. But this time with this article, I feel, you do not show your self as an objective person. You suspect Obama so cruel without any evidence. It's to heavy.

I understand maybe you were disappointed when Obama elected become US Pres. While you don't like Obama since before the election (from your opinion in some of your articles). But what I can sugest you, is to stop this stupidity. Be objective because somehow its influence also the image of this situs.

OK, Ali, please stop this thread

bob wrote:

Ah Mr Commonsense, you weren't around here during the 2004 elections when Ali Sina was trying to persuade everyone that John Kerry's election campaign was being funded by Albanian Muslim terrorists!

RazaF wrote:

Ali Sina, stop smoking weed.

Infidel_tiger wrote:

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Oh I am sorry! You are barking under the wrong tree. I started accusing Muhammad the prophet of the second largest religion who is worshipped by over a billion people of insanity, murder, rape, pedophilia, theft, etc. I did not worry about people’s opinion of me then.

Demonizing a person who has been dead for over 1300 years based on some obscure scriptures which may or may not be true is not the same thing as demonizing a living person who is at the moment arguably the most powerful man on the planet.

If you feel you have something concrete please file a case in a court of law otherwise this is just slander and that's it. And if you don't believe the US supreme court can give you justice please go back to your Islamic hell hole and live under sharia.

I've got plenty more, want them all?

Not to answer for Huxley, but still echoing his voice:

THHuxley_redux wrote:

Ali Sina wrote:

Don't you realize that your utterly irrational support of Obama and your disregard for facts is no differnt than the support of Muslims of Muhammad and their disregard for facts?

I'm sorry, Ali. But you are no longer capable of making rational judgments regarding either of those issue. You have simply lost complete touch with reality regarding Obama... and your descent into irrationality on this issue has been heartbreaking to observe.

There is nothing you can say regarding Obama anymore that carries with it the presumption of a thoughtful conclusion. You abdicated any semblance of dispassionate critique some months ago.

Thing is that veteran FFI posters like me, Huxley, Bob or Radagast must defend FFI's credibility against Ali Sina. You are undermining years of works, with your political paranoiac monomania and delusional wreck. We have the choice of standing against you, or quit FFI in which we have involved so much dedication over the years. I even came to the Council of Ex-Muslims forum that was talking over your case. Remember Phedippedes? That's what he wrote therein

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I think I've 'come around' on Ali quite some time ago; his homophobia and conspiracy theories about aliens and such did it for me. That's over a year ago.

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Ali Sina

Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:33 am Post subject:

CuteCoot wrote:

Ali Sina wrote:

If Obama is eligible why is he hiding the evidence?

If he has provided "unassailable documentary evidence" why does he need to hire three law firms to fight in the courts? I am sure he is also bribing the judges.

If you don't like him and still don't see anything wrong in the fact that he is not coming clean something must be wrong with your reasoning. This man is an usurper, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars hiding behind legalities and it doesn’t click that he may be hiding something?

It is time that you pulled your head out of the sand. This criminally mined charlatan came to power by lying ant through demagogy. It is time to stop him. And it is better that Americans pull their heads out of their rear end and ask this crook for evidence of his eligibility.
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Brendalee

Joined: 30 Sep 2006
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject:

And here I was thinking there was only ONE Obama thread. ast234: Methinks you plan to divide and conquer. Your first post was an utter nonsense. You think Ali Sina does such a great job debating Muslims....and yet you demand his removal from FFI on the basis of his opinion of Obama? Oh, please pull the other one! You want us to stop supporting FFI? Who the hell are YOU? We don't know you. Nor do we know your buddy "bhb". I know that the issue of Obama is extremely limited, confined to one or two threads in the entire FFI Forums; so you seem to be just a bit focused on one tiny part of the whole. Can't think why you should do that except to take advantage of the emotions aroused in order to try to damage FFI. You admire Ali Sina's intellectual argument with Muslims, but you have never had the guts (OR the inclination?....) to join the fight - and, now, suddenly, you start posting and you want US to stop supporting FFI? Like I said, pull the other one!

ghostbusting

Joined: 12 Dec 2008
Posts: 120

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject:

The Cat wrote:

Ali Sina wrote:

At least religious people hold unto some sort of morality that people with no religion miserably lack. How do I think this can be resolved? I have no answer. Here you win and I lose.

Infidel_tiger wrote:

Absurd fabricated speculation without a shred of evidence. More evidence that FFI has become a Christian Republican rightwing site.

Yuyutsu wrote:

With due respect (and concern) I think Ali should use an alternative id for posting any further on Obama.

planck wrote:

Ali Sina wrote:

This is only a thought. A crazy thought, if you will. But a thought that is not improbable, should Obama suffer from NPD and had he not been able to convince his Baptist grandmother to lie for him.

planck wrote:

Ali Sina wrote:

Infidel_tiger wrote:

Dear Ali,

You are accusing the president (to be ) of the United States of murder.
You had better realize that you are fast losing any credibility you have.

mrcommonsensenow wrote:

Dear God Ali, just when I thought you could not sink any lower you go and prove me wrong again.

pollos wrote:

bob wrote:

Ah Mr Commonsense, you weren't around here during the 2004 elections when Ali Sina was trying to persuade everyone that John Kerry's election campaign was being funded by Albanian Muslim terrorists!

RazaF wrote:

Ali Sina, stop smoking weed.

Infidel_tiger wrote:

Quote:

I've got plenty more, want them all?

Not to answer for Huxley, but still echoing his voice:

THHuxley_redux wrote:

Ali Sina wrote:

Don't you realize that your utterly irrational support of Obama and your disregard for facts is no differnt than the support of Muslims of Muhammad and their disregard for facts?

Quote:

I think I've 'come around' on Ali quite some time ago; his homophobia and conspiracy theories about aliens and such did it for me. That's over a year ago.

Cat,

You are talking to an ungrateful person, who does not care anymore as the site is well-established.

What I found shocking is when Ali said, "At least religious people hold unto some sort of morality that people with no religion miserably lack. How do I think this can be resolved? I have no answer. Here you win and I lose."

It shows that Ali lacks any sort of morality. And that is why he contines with his silly tirade against Obama.

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