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AhmedBahgat
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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thanks guys for your responses - you've opened up my eyes lol.
I'm kinda speechless at things in this thread right now...I knew that the Moral Superiority thing was some sort of myth but I didn't know how to prove it.
I simply think humans are humans. Given the "right" circumstances, no one particular group of humans is more immune from being immoral than another - it has baffled me as to how some people can unabashedly claim a superior degree of righteousness than another sometimes. Sometimes I think it is the people who outwardly say that they are holy or more pure, that are worse - or at least, seem worse.
What strikes me is the idea that we can reform Islam. My dad (I'm not talking against my dad, I'm just reiterating what he said once to my brother) said once that some areas of Islam should be changed, but you can't say anything in public because they'll kill you. I think he thinks that if we can change a little bit here and there of Islam, we can turn it into a perfect religion. I don't get it - if a religion is such that we have to have mere men change it to fit their liking - then it was never a right religion to begin with - maybe it's me. I think to myself "Instead of changing Islam, why don't you change your religion to some other religion period and leave Islam" but of course leaving Islam is not given thought there. |
Hmmm
Looks like you are a bit confused, if not then it has to be a case of another teen in the block
Well, your suggestion of changing the religion of Allah is funny and ignoramus, it is like that you want to tailor made a religion that fits your desires, I call it the 'feel good' religion, there are millions if not billions like you around the world so do not be ashamed, but be smart at least, you used the wrong word 'change", what you should understand that to fix the religion of Islam it has to be "RESTORED" to what Allah has sent which clearly is preserved in the Quran, i.e. if those confused Mushrik Muslims who invented too many crap and bundled it with the Quran, manage to remove all such man made rubbish that they added, then I can assure you the the religion of Islam will the "feel good" religion you are after, unless you just want to be an atheist |
Nah - it's certainly not MY idea to try to "fix" Islam to make it a "better" religion - I'm more in favor of getting the heck OUT of Islam.
Either way gets you killed anyway (ok that wasn't great but whatever  ) |
Hmmm, I have to say, I am very impressed with myself, I sensed a freak and I am right
now the freak wants to get me killed, I better increase the security level
Bring it on, freak |
I may not be a freak but I am a weirdo:p
anyway - is this the general attitude of this forum?  |
Yes, this is the general attitude of this forum against the religion of Islam, thanks for coming clean |
I didn't mean the attitude against Islam, I meant the attitude toward newcomers  |
Ok, sorry for the misunderstanding, now, to answer your other question, yes it is the general attitude for newcomers when they show clear signs of idiocy
cheers
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Raggedy Ann
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I'm sorry if I was an idiot.
I don't really remember doing anything that abominable yet.
I simply came here to ask a question about the morals thing because I wanted honest feedback. |
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AhmedBahgat
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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I'm sorry if I was an idiot.
I don't really remember doing anything that abominable yet.
I simply came here to ask a question about the morals thing because I wanted honest feedback. |
Do not be too senstive
I answered your thread honestly, then you came back with more confusion and a desire to only blame/defame Islam, a typical wannabe enemy of Islam, well I can see that you are still very young, you have a lot to learn about Islam and for your knoweldge, you have not been a Muslim before and most likely your parents never been, I believe they are only believers, Mumin, if you know what that means
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shoeshiner
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:38 am Post subject: |
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anyway - is this the general attitude of this forum? |
Nah, that's just Ahmed being himself. Don't let him get to you.
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Ram
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| thanks guys for your responses - you've opened up my eyes lol. |
This is the purpose of this site, to let you see the facts about Islam.
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| I'm kinda speechless at things in this thread right now...I knew that the Moral Superiority thing was some sort of myth but I didn't know how to prove it. |
There is no society which is morally superior. There are all kinds of people in every soceity, including Muslims.
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| I simply think humans are humans. Given the "right" circumstances, no one particular group of humans is more immune from being immoral than another - it has baffled me as to how some people can unabashedly claim a superior degree of righteousness than another sometimes. Sometimes I think it is the people who outwardly say that they are holy or more pure, that are worse - or at least, seem worse. |
You are right. There are many hypocrits.
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| What strikes me is the idea that we can reform Islam. My dad (I'm not talking against my dad, I'm just reiterating what he said once to my brother) said once that some areas of Islam should be changed, but you can't say anything in public because they'll kill you. I think he thinks that if we can change a little bit here and there of Islam, we can turn it into a perfect religion. I don't get it - if a religion is such that we have to have mere men change it to fit their liking - then it was never a right religion to begin with - maybe it's me. I think to myself "Instead of changing Islam, why don't you change your religion to some other religion period and leave Islam" but of course leaving Islam is not given thought there. |
Islam is man made religion like any other. The Quran, the Bible and the scriptures of all the religions are written by men. Therefore they are all imperfect. Let us take the case of the Quran, Muslims say that the Quran is perfect but is being misinterpretated. This does not make any sense. If the Quran were perfect it would not be misinterpretated, its meaning would be clear. Everyone will understand what it says, its meaning will be clear to you as soon as you read it, you wouldn't have to read it twice. If the Quran were perfect and clear everyone - a Muslim or a non-Muslim, will agree on its meaning.
If the Quran were book of compassion as Muslims claim, there would not be one verse which would preach violence. The Quran is very clear in one respect; that is a non-Muslims must be forced to accept Islam or he or she must be killed. According to the Quran, infidels will burn in hell. I do not see any compassion in it, I only see hatred.
Therefore, for you to reform Islam you'd have to rewrite the Quran; that would be the end of Islam - very desirable goal for the mankind. Islam must be eliminated -that is the only salvation for the humanity. |
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Ram
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| I'm sorry if I was an idiot. |
You are not an idiot. You are very curious which is a good thing. Do not let some members of this forum make you feel inferior.
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| I don't really remember doing anything that abominable yet. |
You have NOT done anything wrong. All you did is to ask questions. I do not see trace of any hatred in your posts.
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| I simply came here to ask a question about the morals thing because I wanted honest feedback. |
Yes you did. I am glad about it. You can read for yourself to verify our claims about Islamic morality. |
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Ram
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| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
I'm sorry if I was an idiot.
I don't really remember doing anything that abominable yet.
I simply came here to ask a question about the morals thing because I wanted honest feedback. |
Do not be too senstive
I answered your thread honestly, then you came back with more confusion and a desire to only blame/defame Islam, a typical wannabe enemy of Islam, well I can see that you are still very young, you have a lot to learn about Islam and for your knoweldge, you have not been a Muslim before and most likely your parents never been, I believe they are only believers, Mumin, if you know what that means |
Are you afraid that Raggedy Ann will find out the truth about Islam. This is the place to learn about the real Islam. |
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AhmedBahgat
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| Ram wrote: |
| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
| Raggedy Ann wrote: |
I'm sorry if I was an idiot.
I don't really remember doing anything that abominable yet.
I simply came here to ask a question about the morals thing because I wanted honest feedback. |
Do not be too senstive
I answered your thread honestly, then you came back with more confusion and a desire to only blame/defame Islam, a typical wannabe enemy of Islam, well I can see that you are still very young, you have a lot to learn about Islam and for your knoweldge, you have not been a Muslim before and most likely your parents never been, I believe they are only believers, Mumin, if you know what that means |
Are you afraid that Raggedy Ann will find out the truth about Islam. This is the place to learn about the real Islam. |
Hmmm, why you think so?
well, to be honest, pal, I do not give a damn about any human being misguided or guided, what I only care about in this world regarding the truth about religion is MYSELF, I am a very selfish man when it comes to religions
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CanuckChristianBrigade
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| AhmedBahgat wrote: |
| Ram wrote: |
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I'm sorry if I was an idiot.
I don't really remember doing anything that abominable yet.
I simply came here to ask a question about the morals thing because I wanted honest feedback. |
Do not be too senstive
I answered your thread honestly, then you came back with more confusion and a desire to only blame/defame Islam, a typical wannabe enemy of Islam, well I can see that you are still very young, you have a lot to learn about Islam and for your knoweldge, you have not been a Muslim before and most likely your parents never been, I believe they are only believers, Mumin, if you know what that means |
Are you afraid that Raggedy Ann will find out the truth about Islam. This is the place to learn about the real Islam. |
Hmmm, why you think so?
well, to be honest, pal, I do not give a damn about any human being misguided or guided, what I only care about in this world regarding the truth about religion is MYSELF, I am a very selfish man when it comes to religions |
9733 posts? sh!t, the last time I talked to you you only had 9500. Get a f.cking job. And while you are @ it, get a f.cking life.
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Ex-muslimah
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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Raggedy sometimes when you get the truth it hurts, I get a feeling that Mr "Leo" Ahmed is just showing the qualities of that sign.
He likes to be centre of attention, suits him really with that big yack of his , but getting back on topic, balance it out by seeing the two sides of the story! 
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MsWesterner
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ahmed...its amusing to see you expose how dishonest you are re you agreeing "westerners have lower standards of morality"
my my...but it was you a muslim male who stated on this forum:
-a child being given to an old man for marriage is fine with you
-learning that a muslim wife became obedient/(didnt continue to make the tea so hot) AFTER she was beaten into unconsciousness "brought a smile to your face"
and in your ummah
-people actually believe that TO KILL/MURDER for non belief/adultery/homosexuality is quite moral
-there are countries where honour KILLING is not regarded as a crime...the MALE HONOUR being of more importance
-mullahs rip the bottoms of small boys with impunity
-people MURDER to appease your allah and you sit in SILENT ACQUIESCENCE e.g. Bali
-parents mutilate their children re pagan ritual of circumcision..others CUT their children to draw blood
the OBSCENE IMMORALITY in ummah due to islam continues to CHILL ME TO THE CORE |
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Ram
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| well, to be honest, pal, I do not give a damn about any human being misguided or guided, what I only care about in this world regarding the truth about religion is MYSELF, I am a very selfish man when it comes to religions |
You venerate a Paedophile Prophet Muhammad and you criticize the West for immorality! Its absolutely amazing! |
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