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Yohan
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| abdul-rahman wrote: |
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| One is more successful in teaching apes to count than making these people believe in evolution. |
this is just a stupid and awkward comment. where is the proof in that? it is like saying one is more successful in teaching pigs fly then making these people believe in evolution. |
It is a valid statement. What I meant was that some people would never believe in evolution no matter what evidence is presented. Who is the culprit making these people so stupid? God!
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charleslemartel
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Yohan wrote: |
| abdul-rahman wrote: |
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| One is more successful in teaching apes to count than making these people believe in evolution. |
this is just a stupid and awkward comment. where is the proof in that? it is like saying one is more successful in teaching pigs fly then making these people believe in evolution. |
It is a valid statement. What I meant is that some people would never believe in evolution no matter what evidence is presented. Who is the culprit making these people so stupid? God! |
One of the funniest statement I have ever read. Thanks Yohan.
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Always_Faithful
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For the most part, yes. Strange coincidence, it is, that the vast majority of NDEs occur when the brain is starved of oxygen and is not functioning properly. |
Of course!!!
NDE's are bound to occur when the brain is starved of oxygen and is not functioning properly. That is why they are called NDEs. So what is your point? |
That NDEs are induced by poor cognitive functioning, which can lead to all manner of hallucinations and illusions.
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sword_of_truth
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| anyway, you still didn't product a single evidence from a public museum that shows any transition fossils. So what are you waiting for unless no museum in the world carries a single one? |
I gather you didn't know how to view the fossils in the online horse museum I linked to. If those aren't transitional, I think someone wasn't looking very carefully. The skeletons look very very similar and if you look at the feet, it goes from toes to hooves.
Comparing evolution to pigs flying is absurd. Look at all the varieties of dogs that were bred from wolves (actually, I think much of it was not actually intentional breeding). It's the same thing with evolution, except nature does it. Does breeding not work?
I think if creationists are honest with themselves, they MUST admit that evolution is at least somewhat plausible based on facts like that. |
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abdul-rahman
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I think you evolutionist supporters are deliberately dogging my question because all i am asking is a single proof from any museum that has a transaction fossil. Instead you give me some online data that can be easily "Photoshopped" and is not convincing enough and theorizing something we already can see in nature.
therefore, if evolution is true how come not a single museum doesn't carry a single transaction fossil. Are they are so paranoid that they don't want the public to see solid proof from their own eyes or they will be found out for their deception? I visited the famous natural museum of new york city and they didn't even have it! Just a bunch of ape looking human being which is nothing but imaginar y thinking without any fossil proof showing in the museum that is how they evolved.
And about NDE i know you won't believe it since you haven't experience it yourself therefore you will throw all the credible evidence that is so evident by millions of people who have experienced it. whatever the case you should have an open mind and search both sides.
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abdul-rahman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| Yohan wrote: |
| abdul-rahman wrote: |
| Yohan wrote: |
| One is more successful in teaching apes to count than making these people believe in evolution. |
this is just a stupid and awkward comment. where is the proof in that? it is like saying one is more successful in teaching pigs fly then making these people believe in evolution. |
It is a valid statement. What I meant was that some people would never believe in evolution no matter what evidence is presented. Who is the culprit making these people so stupid? God! |
your statement is still irrelvant because it is like saying "some people would never believe in GOD no matter what evidence it presented even they experience something out of ordinary. and who made this people stubborn? their own god-damn selves!"  |
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crazy canuck
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I think you evolutionist supporters are deliberately dogging my question because all i am asking is a single proof from any museum that has a transaction fossil. Instead you give me some online data that can be easily "Photoshopped" and is not convincing enough and theorizing something we already can see in nature.
therefore, if evolution is true how come not a single museum doesn't carry a single transaction fossil. Are they are so paranoid that they don't want the public to see solid proof from their own eyes or they will be found out for their deception? I visited the famous natural museum of new york city and they didn't even have it! Just a bunch of ape looking human being which is nothing but imaginar y thinking without any proof showing in the museum thats how it is.
And about NDE i know you won't believe it since you haven't experience it yourself therefore you will throw all the credible evidence that is so evident by millions of people who have experienced it. whatever the case you should have an open mind and search both sides. |
Go to museum in Germany and see Archeopteryx fossil a transition between bird & reptile. It has teeth & feathers.
There are museum specimen of horse evolution too, but you are not going to belive. Forget about it!!
http://www.cesame-nm.org/index.php?name=Sections&req=viewarticle&artid=41&allpages=1&theme=Printer
By the way dont forget to read Harun Yahya's scholarly refutaion.
Look at living amphibians transition between fish & reptile. |
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comet4
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| abdul-rahman wrote: |
| I think you evolutionist supporters are deliberately dogging my question because all i am asking is a single proof from any museum that has a transaction fossil. Instead you give me some online data that can be easily "Photoshopped" and is not convincing enough and theorizing something we already can see in nature. |
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therefore, if evolution is true how come not a single museum doesn't carry a single transaction fossil. Are they are so paranoid that they don't want the public to see solid proof from their own eyes or they will be found out for their deception? I visited the famous natural museum of new york city and they didn't even have it! Just a bunch of ape looking human being which is nothing but imaginar y thinking without any fossil proof showing in the museum that is how they evolved. |
You see mister, even evidence is presented in front of you, you still deny them because your brain is closed.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HyJAV-Jf9do
going to call it fake now? |
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abdul-rahman
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The only person who said they have one transit fossil in germany is lying again because again i only see theorized words from the link provided and I am sorry but i can't go all the way to germany to see a fossil since I live in new york. Besides you can just simply provide me with a video THAT IS TAKEN INSIDE THE MUSEUM that has ONE SINGLE FOSSIL and I will just shut up then but only then I will believe it.
While I respect your opinions and knowledge it seems to me that your belief in evolution is just as much a religious zeal as the creationists. I know you would be appalled at this but if you go back and read your article, you talk about them the way they talk about you and your science has become your religion further alienating yourself from people like myself who are just looking for truth and people who can admit that everything just doesn't fit together which we are not hearing from either side.
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Aksel, Ankersen
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| anyway, you still didn't product a single evidence from a public museum that shows any transition fossils. So what are you waiting for unless no museum in the world carries a single one? |
Go to the Museum and find it yourself, I'm busy.
Honest, you can visit a chalk quarry with hammer and chisel if you want fossils. Evolution is by nature a continuous process and all fossils are, I suppose, transitionals unless they are dead ends.
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| BTW, from your replies and others i get your do not believe in an after life? is that true or that is just meaningless to you? |
Now why would you think that?
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Always_Faithful
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You've displayed repeatedly that you are willing to (very rudely) skip over posts that actually answer your question, and deny any fossils as 'transactions' using your untrained observation. I'm therefore not going to spend any more time trying to educate you, and I advise that everyone else do the same. This guy is one ignoramus who'd like to stay that way.
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Yohan
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| abdul-rahman wrote: |
| Yohan wrote: |
| abdul-rahman wrote: |
| Yohan wrote: |
| One is more successful in teaching apes to count than making these people believe in evolution. |
this is just a stupid and awkward comment. where is the proof in that? it is like saying one is more successful in teaching pigs fly then making these people believe in evolution. |
It is a valid statement. What I meant was that some people would never believe in evolution no matter what evidence is presented. Who is the culprit making these people so stupid? God! |
your statement is still irrelvant because it is like saying "some people would never believe in GOD no matter what evidence it presented even they experience something out of ordinary. and who made this people stubborn? their own god-damn selves!" |
Really! Last time this Allah God had spoken to a human was some 1400 years ago. What has happened to him since then? In the mean time his believers Muslims have been reduced (actually 'devolved') to the status of sub-humans in the modern world. Where is he? Does he care? Give me a list of what this idiot God of yours had been doing for the last 1400 years. Let me see your 'evidence' for a change!
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THHuxley_redux
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Why don't just evolutionist put the evidence in a place like a museum where millions of people can see with their own eyes! Because i want to see evidence with my own eyes so i and others can decided for themselves if it is real or fake? |
They have. In fact, I am unaware of a single decent Natural History Museum without displays on evolution to include transitional fossils.
Where do you live, I'll be happy to point to a museum nearby (if there is one).
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charleslemartel
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For the most part, yes. Strange coincidence, it is, that the vast majority of NDEs occur when the brain is starved of oxygen and is not functioning properly. |
Of course!!!
NDE's are bound to occur when the brain is starved of oxygen and is not functioning properly. That is why they are called NDEs. So what is your point? |
That NDEs are induced by poor cognitive functioning, which can lead to all manner of hallucinations and illusions. |
Right, thanks. However, I do wonder at the similarities between the NDE's of diverse people. Is there any explanation for these similarities too? I would be glad to know.
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THHuxley_redux
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| And about NDE i know you won't believe it since you haven't experience it yourself therefore you will throw all the credible evidence that is so evident by millions of people who have experienced it. whatever the case you should have an open mind and search both sides. |
First off.... you overstate the frequency of NDEs. What study has ever established that there are "millions" of them? It's pretty clear you are just guessing.
That said, the problem with NDEs is that when all of the experiences are accounted for, the neat little "afterlife" explanation collapses pretty quickly. Promoters are very selective about which NDEs they anecdotally use to describe the phenomenon. They tend to leave out (for example) the 15% or so of NDEs that involve tortures by elves, giants, demons... or the ones that involve games of golf or illicit sex. I'm not making these up.
Interestingly... those NDEs that explicitly "support" religious beliefs sort by prejudice. Muslims tend to meet Muhammad "the Prophet," while Christians tend to meet Jesus "the Son of God." There are no recorded accounts of Christians being met by Muhammad.
Go figure.
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