Continuing the Slam Dunk Show

AhmedBahgat · Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 10001

will any ignorant kafir bring new allegations for me to slam dunk?, look kafirs, your cooperation will be appreciated, however if you run out of your crap, I can bring my own slam dunks in here, what do you think, ignorant kafirs bound to eternal hell?
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AhmedBahgat · Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 10001

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AhmedBahgat · Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 10001

Here is a reply from brother Windsor of FI site to Aksel:

Hello brother AhmedBahgat. It's been more than 2 weeks!

sum · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 8527 Location: UK

Hello my irrational friend, AhmedBahgat

Your quote -
Rational people follow the true religion, not the primitive religions of their ancient forefathers.

This is where you went wrong. If you were rational you wouldn`t touch Islam with a barge pole. It is only your brainwashing through your formative years that made you a muslim. If you had been brought up in your formative years in a Hindu family you would have been a Hindu and much better for it.

Can`t you see the logic of what I am saying? Am I correct?

sum

AhmedBahgat · Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 10001

Hello FFI boys & girls

An ignorant goon of FFI gang, in the name of Islamis_Tashit, is way too much into his collection of Harry Potter books, Bugs Bunny cartoons, and Nickelodeon channel that he said the following:

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AhmedBahgat · Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 10001

Hello Charles,

Let's have a break from my slams and just relax with the following article that I wrote sometime back

This is going to be a tough one to understand and will be eaven tougher to understand for a kafir bound to hell like you, however it is all logical and only needs a rational mind to understand it, therefore I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you may have one.

Firstly,1400 years ago the people understanding (at least in Arabia) that the earth is stationary and everything in the sky rotates around it including the sun, so 1400 years ago they considered the sun is the one that moves around the earth somehow, indeed this understanding was flawed in conjunction with their wrong understanding that the earth is flat and not round, so they thought the sun appears for its daily course to the whole flat earth at once then disappear to the other uninhibited flat side before it appears again as it rotates around the flat earth.

When the following Quran verse was revealed that says the sun runs to a destined point, no one wondered as they understood already that the sun moves around the earth, i.e. the verse did not cause any confusion stating that the sun moves, howver the verse never specified the path of the movement of the sun:

And the sun runs on to a resting place; that is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing.
[The Quran ; 38:36]

وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِي لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَا ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ (38)

-> As I stated, the above verse did not cause any confusion to the Arabs or the enemy of the Quran at the time of revelation, because they already thought that the sun runs around the stationary earth, their understanding was that, the earth is the centre of the heaven.

-> But surely the verse does not talk about the sun running around the earth as it never said that, rather the sun runs to an appointed place, period.

The verse I want to discuss is verse 25:45, this verse starts with a very common Quran sentence أَلَمْ تَرَ, which means in the common language Can't you see?, whenever I see this Arabic words in the Quran I have to stop and read carefully what will follow, definitely it means that Allah is about to tell us a sign Can't you see?, the signs can vary from a clear visual one to historical one to a simple fact, but what I found, that whenever it is a a sort of a scientific fact, it MUST comply with all generations' understandings even if their understandings are wrong, like the movement of the sun that I explained above, and that is what I discovered with the help of Allah in verse 25:45.

The verse was stated in a way that does not conflict with whatever understanding at that time with miraculous use of short and briefed Arabic words, we will see that the verse is literally talking about a visual scientific miracle The movement of the shade, that the people can see clearly while the former people are thinking wrongly that the shade moves due to the movement of the sun around earth, on the other hand the later people knows that the movement of the hsade is due to the movement of the earth around its axis of rotation. For me as one of the later people, the verse is talking indirectly about the earth as we all know that the shade movement is a product of the earth movement around its axis and has nothing to do with the movement of the sun any where in the universe

Let's first look at the verse and see if you can understand it, it is telling to us to investigate closely one of the signs of Allah, represented in the movement of shades on earth:

Have you not considered (the work of) your Lord, how He extends the shade? And if He had pleased He would certainly have made it stationary; then We have made the sun an indication of it
[The Quran ; 25:45]

أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى رَبِّكَ كَيْفَ مَدَّ الظِّلَّ وَلَوْ شَاء لَجَعَلَهُ سَاكِنًا ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَا الشَّمْسَ عَلَيْهِ دَلِيلًا (45)

-> The verse starts by telling us to look at the sign of our God through the miracle of the shade movement :Have you not considered (the work of) your Lord, how He extends the shade? and in Arabic : أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى رَبِّكَ كَيْفَ مَدَّ الظِّلَّ, very clear meaning in both Arabic and English, simply, Allah is telling us to look at the shade of objects as these shades extend from 0 length to infinity, then Allah is telling us that If He had willed to stop the shade from moving He would have done so : And if He had pleased He would certainly have made it stationary, and in Arabic وَلَوْ شَاء لَجَعَلَهُ سَاكِنًا, Well, the Quran did not say that Allah will make the sun stationary to cause the shade to be stationary as the people of the past thought of the wrong cause of the shade movement, so I understood it that indirectly Allah meant He would have stopped the earth from rotating around its axis, let's invistgate my calim in details:

You may say this can be indirectly valid for the sun too, i.e to stop the sun instead of stopping the earth according to their wrong understanding at the time that the sun rotates around the stationary earth, which I may agree if the sun was never mentioned in the verse i.e. if the sun nor earth was mentioned in the verse then the verse indirectly applies to both as being the one to be stopped to stop the shade, however what came next in the verse surprised me then stroke me hard, Allah said straight after He said that He would have made the shade stationary, then He would have made the Sun an evidence of the still shade: then We have made the sun an indication of it and in Arabic ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَا الشَّمْسَ عَلَيْهِ دَلِيلًا

-> See, Allah said that He will make the shade stationary without saying that he will make the sun stationary, this is an important point, because the Quran clearly said in another location 21:33 that the sun swims in an orbit, i.e. if the Quran has said that the sun will be made stationary to make the shade stationary, no one 1400 years ago would have argued because their understanding was the sun moves around earth and the Quran also said that the sun swims in an orbit NOT AROUND EARTH, but if the Quran has said so i.e the sun will be made stationary to make the shade stationary then this will conflict with the science now days but not back then 1400 years ago, as we now know that the shade movement is a result from the earth rotation around its axis

-> So the Quran said the shade will be made stationary and the sun will be an evidence that it is stationary, WITHOUT SAYING THAT SUN WILL BE MADE STATIONARY

-> Well, any object on earth that have shade is actually part of the rotating earth even the atmosphere is part of the rotating earth, i.e. when Allah said first that He will make the shade stationary, He actually means indirectly that He will make the earth stationary around its axis then the sun will be there to prove that the shade and earth are stationary without mentioning earth at all in the verse, so no conflict may arise with the people 1400 years ago when their understanding was that the earth is already stationary therefore and according to their wrong understanding, it can't be stopped because it is already stationary

You have to consider that Allah did not need to say He would have made the sun an evidence of the still shade, unless He is telling us a hidden message, I say this because (logically speaking) we need a source of light to see any shade, and the people used to see the shade when the sun is up in the sky not at night, therefore, saying He will make the sun an evidence of the still shade has no extra info regarding the shade other than to eliminate the sun as the source of the shade movement, do you get it? it is a tough one i know, therefore you need to thin k really hard for this one

Cheers
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