Seven heavens myth

[Musti]

I have already pointed the myths contained in the Koran in the links below.


Daylight without sun:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59319

Solid sky myths

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59383

The Koran also contains the myth of the seven heavens which were prevalent when the time the Koran was revealed.

Taken from Wikipedia:

In ancient astronomy, before the telescope was invented, people referred to the Sun, Moon, and the five planets visible with the naked eye as the seven heavenly objects. Each had its own layer of heaven or sky assigned to it, and each was considered to be farther and farther away from Earth. Today we refer to the layers as the orbit of the object around the Sun.

It was believed by many cultures, and still is by some today, that when people die, their souls float into the sky, visiting each of the Seven Heavenly Objects as they travel to the outermost layer of heaven. When they reach that outermost layer, they are believed to actually meet God, who was/is supposed to exist just above the last layer of heaven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Heaven

Does the Koran repeat this myth?


1.Does it mention seven heavens?

2.Are they visible, layered one above another and is the reader aware of their existense?


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SHAKIR: Say: Who is the Lord of the seven heavens and the Lord of the mighty dominion?

Is is assumed the sevn heavens is common knowledge in the above verse.

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SHAKIR: Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens ,~ one above another

The Koran tells us the seven heavens are visible and are layered one above another in the above verse.

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SHAKIR: Who created the seven heavens one above another; you see no incongruity in the creation of the Beneficent Allah; then look again, can you see any disorder?

The above verse is asking the 7th century arabs who created the seven heavens they can see? Then challenges them to observe and look for any flaws, which they won't find.

The Koran perfectly fits the criteria for this myth and would of confirmed the ignorance of the early muslims.
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Ahmed Bahgat[Qur'an 79:30]:- and the earth after that, He squashed it.....

Ahmed Bahgat-A deluded mind:
You can even prove it wrong, I won't care.....

[Nosubmission]

Although the Koran reiterates that the number of heavens above the earth is seven, in one verse it ascribes the same number of layers to the earth:

Surah 65:12
Allah it is who hath created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof.

It is easy to infer that the earth was claimed to have seven layers like the heavens because the writers of the Koran mostly thought of the sky and the earth as pairs that were inherently associated. Thus, this new presumption about the layers of the earth showed up as an extension of the old and general one about the heavens.

Some critics of the Koran suppose that Mohammad's scribes actually referred to the rainbow in order to prove the alleged seven layers of the universe. Muslim commentators like Harun Yahya, on the other hand, tamper with the words in the Koran verses to construe the seven layers of the heaven as a referent of the atmosphere! Nonetheless, the Koran rebuts such nonsense when it states that the heaven of the world was decorated with lamps:

Surah 41:12
Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower.




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I am choosing not to submit either willingly or reluctantly. Catch me if you can!

[Musti]

So muslims what are the seven heavens we can see and observe for flaws according to Allah?

Something tells me I won't get an answer!
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Ahmed Bahgat[Qur'an 79:30]:- and the earth after that, He squashed it.....

Ahmed Bahgat-A deluded mind:
You can even prove it wrong, I won't care.....

[Islamis_Allah_Tashit]

[Musti]

[the_answer]

I usually disregard erroneous disputes such as this one with the mind set that such feckless and fatuous arguements and remarks made by the ill informed are not worth me registering for an account but the amount of times that this point has been proposed makes me feel like I owe it to the world. Also the emoticons are pretty cool.

1- I have never heard of a greek mythology that mentions seven heavens

2- If the quran is referring to these apparent greek heavens and there are actually 7; one for each heavenly body like the sun and the moon etc. Then why does it also mention that in the lowest heaven lies the sun and the moon? So if the sun and moon have their own "realm" then do they share sometimes??? (I hope the creator of this site keeps his promise and removes this arguement since I just disproved it)

3- I'm not sure if u guys just spend your lives trying to disprove something thats not true which is ironic within itself, but if thats the case I am saddened, maybe if you spent as much time learning new scientific advances you would be more inclined to the truth rather than spending a life of inculcating inaccuracies. There is recent discovery that is well supported of different dimmensions of the universe. So perhaps these differents dimmensions are touched upon by the mentioning of SEVEN HEAVENS.

[the_answer]

O ya one more thing, IF and I mean IF the quran is refering to these SEVEN HEAVENLY OBJECTS and their realms, then why doesnt it ever make mention of the objects and only the realms......


ALso if u put the two messages together ull get laughed at,

Hint: HA HA

[Musti]

[the_answer]

It consistently reiterates the idea that the stars,sun and moon were placed in the lowest heaven......your arguement is therefore a fallacy. SO 1- I am waiting for your apology for being wrong and 2- Im waiting for mister ali sina to omit this portion of his thesis and send me 50,000$.

And let me recapitulate the situ for those who were drawn to your inaccuracies. If each heavenly body, the sun and moon and earth being three of the seven have their own atmosphere equating to 7 heavens, and if the quran is in concordance with this assumption then how is it that the earth , sun and moon share ONE HEAVEN; the lowest one.....wouldnt that leave 4 heavenly bodies with 6 heavens....sorry to confuse you, but you seem like a pretty smart guy

so if your wrong here.......I can only imagine how many OTHER times you've said things that had no factual basis behind them

[the_answer]

Also the idea that there are multiple dimensions have lead to the finding that there maybe other universes. Being that the new perspective of the shape of our universe is flat leads to the possibility that other universes may ly on top of ours......black holes being the conduit between them. Therefore it makes sense that there could be 7 heavens on top of each other.......thats what i meant by learning adequete info........and please don't quote me these are only my thoughts, I dont speak for the author of the quran

[Islamis_Allah_Tashit]

[Musti]

[the_answer]

"Oh stop with the bullsh*t and just answer the contention, OK??? We ignore extraneous crap like this, so in the future, don't even bother, OK? Stop wasting your time with this irrelevant self glorification crap OK? Nobody believes it. Just stick to the point....charlatan. Just answer the points raised and spare us from your dramatics, OK? Your not smart, OK?"


"I'm saddened by your denial of clear proofs presented right smack in front of your stinking face. How much closer to your face does it need to be???"


"Why don't you explain this in more detail and when you do, watch it fall apart or disappear like sand between your fingers. If you want to see a religion that perhaps at least "moderately" touched upon QM, then the best bet would be Taoism, and certainly not Islam.[/quote]"


Ha.....and this entire time i thought muslims were the angry ones, let me guess ur muslim right?

what a joke you are....."stinking face" you must still be in middle school, isnt there an age limit on this site?

[the_answer]

I feel sorrow that I even have to explain this, but, I mind as well make you look ridiculous again. In many areas in the quran it says...look to the people who came before you, or look at the creators scattered around the earth, this doesn't mean take out ur glasses and actually look, since it would be kinda hard to look in the past wouldn't it? With that said, look to the seven heavens probably doesnt mean LOOOOOOK to the seven heavens rather it probably implies REFLECT on the seven heavens or THINK about the seven heavens.....

ALso you have yet to apologize for being wrong.....but its okay, by the way this other guy dialects i can tell this forum is for a bunch of close minded people who are difident speakers that truly inside believe in islam other wise they wouldnt spend so much time trying to disprove it.

[Islamis_Allah_Tashit]