Why did you Leave Islam?

[FreePower]

[PAKI88]

Free power, I don't know where you live, but you can ask anyone from America or any western and they will tell you the same thing. Those sins are built in to the western culture..... I will leave Islam if you can prove to me that at least 15% of the Christians in western countries practice christianity fully....i.e. Not commiting adultry, not getting drunk, wearing moderate clothing, Condemning homosexuality and going to church every sunday.

If you can prove to me that at least 15% of those christians don't do any of those I will leave Islam and join christianity..

[Haik Monsieur]

[ixolite]

Yeah, the west is so bad and yet you live there.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59392
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[FreePower]

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[Ram]

[PAKI88]

Let us see...
- Rape is very common in Pakistan. Gang rape is the preffered system of punishing women who assert themsleves.
- In Iran, women convicts are raped before being hanged. The rationale is that non-virgin woman will go to hell instead of paradise.
- In Saudi Arabia, grown up women are whipped by the religious police for insignificant infractions. Usually the religious police are very young - young enough to be their sons. This is the way Islam humiliates women.
- In Pakistan, a woman who is raped are thrown in jail for committing adultery. This is your Islamic justice.
- In all Muslim countries, woman's testimony in a legal court is worth half as much as that of a man. This is how Islam respects women!
- Temporary marriage (legalized prostitution) is common in Muslim countries - specially Iran.
- Old men marry very young girls for sex. Pedophilia is common in Muslim countries.
- Prophet Muhammad married 6 year old Ayesha when he was 53 years of age - old enough to be her grandfather. He had sex with her when she was only 9 years old and he was 56. This makes Muhammad a peadophile. And yet you are so shameless. You venerate a paedophile and criticize Christians for their sexual freedom.
- It is better to worship a snake than be a follower of a paedophile.
- Let us not forget Afghanistan; homosexuality is very common. Majority of well to do Afghans keep young boys for sexual pleasures. They even show them off. They trade them as well. This is your Islamic morality.
- Why don't you learn the facts before criticizing the West.[/quote]







First off I'm 15 and It wasn't my decision to come to the west it was my parents. Secondly Ram I laughed when I read your response, I've never met anyone so spoon fed by the media... Half the things you've listed aren't even true, and may I ask if you've ever been to an Islamic country?

Also are you comparing the morality of the West to a moderate Islamic nation LOL?? America has the highest crime/murder/rape rate in the world. It also has one of the highest or highest homosexual population in the world.

Ram I suggest you get your facts right before you argue with me.

[IamFound]

[Ram]

[Ram]

For the benefit of PAKI88

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.htmlres=980DEFD6143EF932A15751C0A9649C8B63

Kandahar Journal; Shh, It's an Open Secret: Warlords and Pedophilia

By CRAIG S. SMITH
Published: February 21, 2002

Back in the 19th century, ethnic Pashtuns fighting in Britain's colonial army sang odes talking of their longing for young boys.
Homosexuality, cloaked in the tradition of strong masculine bonds that are a hallmark of Islamic culture and are even more pronounced in southern Afghanistan's strict, sexually segregated society, has long been a clandestine feature of life here. But pedophilia has been its curse. Though the puritanical Taliban tried hard to erase pedophilia from male-dominated Pashtun culture, now that the Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice is gone, some people here are indulging in it once again.

''During the Taliban, being with a friend was difficult, but now it is easy again,'' said Ahmed Fareed, a 19-year-old man with a white shawl covering his face except for a dark shock of hair and piercing kohl-lined eyes. Mr. Fareed should know. A shopkeeper took him as a lover when he was just 12, he said.

An interest in relationships with young boys among warlords and their militia commanders played a part in the Taliban's rise in Afghanistan. In 1994, the Taliban, then a small army of idealistic students of the Koran, were called to rescue a boy over whom two commanders had fought. They freed the boy and the people responded with gratitude and support.

''At that time boys couldn't come to the market because the commanders would come and take away any that they liked,'' said Amin Ullah, a money changer, gesturing to his two teenage sons hunched over wads of afghani bank notes at Kandahar's currency bazaar.

Most men here spend the vast majority of their time in the company of other men and rarely glimpse more than the feet of any woman other than their mother, sister or wife. The atmosphere leaves little room for romantic love, let alone recreational sex between men and women. But alternative opportunities are not hard to find.

Muhammad Daud, 29, says he first spotted Mr. Fareed seven years ago at an auto repair shop owned by Mr. Fareed's father and pursued the boy for months.

''If you want a haliq'' -- a boy for sex -- ''you have to follow the boy for a long time before he will agree,'' said Mr. Daud, smiling at Mr. Fareed in a hostel in Kandahar where the two consented to give an interview.
''At first he was afraid, so I bought him some chocolate and gave him a lot of money,'' said Mr. Daud, laughing. ''I went step by step and after about six or seven months, he agreed.''

''At that time, I had no beard,'' Mr. Fareed said, smiling.

The Taliban took care of that problem by resorting to an ancient punishment prescribed by the Shariah, a compendium of Islamic laws: they pushed a wall on top of anyone found to be homosexual.

Odd as the punishment sounds, it resonates with many Afghans who live in a world of mud-and-wattle walls, many of which have long since lost their usefulness. There are plenty of 12-foot-high, 2-foot-thick earthen walls around waiting to be toppled.

On the outskirts of Kandahar, Mr. Fareed pointed to a mound of rubble and described how he had watched the Taliban lay a man there in a shallow pit in front of a high wall and then ram the wall with a tank from the other side, knocking it over on top of him.

''When the wall fell, people said he was dead, but later we heard that he wasn't dead,'' said Mr. Fareed.

The man was Mullah Peer Muhammad, a former student of the Koran who had become a Taliban fighter and was later put in charge of boys then incarcerated at Kandahar's central prison. He was convicted of sexually abusing the inmates.

After the wall fell on him, his family dug him out and took him to the hospital. He spent six days there and another six months in jail, but according to the punishment, survivors are allowed to go free. He now lives in Pakistan, his former neighbors say.

A man who said he owns the wall that fell on Mr. Muhammad said he had seen the Taliban knock successive sections of the wall on another man seven times, digging him out each time and moving him along the remaining wall before he died. The man had been convicted of raping and killing a boy.

''We had to be very careful then,'' said Mr. Fareed, shrinking instinctively from the crowd that had gathered around the site during a reporter's visit. He said he and his lover could meet only at night in each others' homes, but that they tried to refrain from physical contact for fear that the Taliban's extensive intelligence network would discover them.

Now the Taliban are gone and the commanders have returned, some with their predilections. The problem is so widespread that the government has issued a directive barring ''beardless boys'' -- a euphemism for under-age sex partners -- from police stations, military bases and commanders' compounds.

While men are courting boys once again, few do so openly.
''Still, we feel ashamed in front of our older brothers or parents,'' said Mr. Fareed.

But he insisted that he does not regret being lured into a relationship by his older friend. When asked if he would do the same to a young boy, Mr. Fareed said, yes. ''I'm looking for one now,'' he said with a smile.

[FinallyFree]

I feel sorry for the likes of Paki88, once again spewing out the imam taught defences against the west, yet seeking sustanence from the some societies that they condemn every day.

Open your eyes my friend, A) Homosexuality is only negative to those who are uncomfortable with their own sexuality and desires, Islam orders women to wear Hijab because Muslim men are animals who cannot control their desires, not vice versa.
B) Your statistics are rubbish, rape is very common in the middle east, I have been and I know. IN A LIBERAL, DEMOCRATIC AND FREE societiy like America, the statistics are usually close to the truth, in your backwards, Middle Eastern and Central Asian (read: Muslim) socieities, statistics are very understated. The government hushes up crimes, and commits them themselves. Plus of course most victims of rape are far too scared to admit it to the police because rape is punishable by death (unless you have four witnesses-who has four witnesses to a rape FFS) in Shariah law.

In my Mid Eastern country of origin (which is supposedly secular), which I have visited a few times, I knew people who themselves had been raped (true stories by people who were devout muslims) by strangers, when they reported it to the police, the police also raped them in a horrific gang rape. Who do they go to? The European Court of Human rights (?).

Thank your Allah that you live in the West you ingrate. And that you are (presumably) a male. A muslimah is worth nothing in the eyes of Allah.


EDIT-JUST TO PROVE MY POINT-Look at this extract from an article I found:

"Pakistan has perhaps the harshest attitudes toward rape in the world. The country's Hudood Ordinances, passed in 1979 as part of an Islamic overhaul of the country's law to deal with a range of sins, effectively equate rape with adultery. Any sex outside of marriage, known as zina, is against the law. This view often results in the arrest of raped women rather than their rapists. In a Karachi court, about 15% of the rape trials result in women facing charges and imprisonment. In one case, a patient and his two friends raped a staff nurse in a Karachi prison. Although she did not go to police, the men reported her for engaging in sex outside marriage. The judge found that if she were a "decent" woman she would not work at night and sentenced her to five years in prison, five lashes, and a fine equivalent to a year's salary."

"According to Majida Rizvi, head of the Pakistani National Commission on the Status of Women, up to 80% of all women in Pakistani jails are there on charges of violating the Hudood Ordinances—many because they were raped.[/b] [b]Once in police custody, about 72% are raped again, this time by the police. Human Rights Watch, an independent, nongovernmental organization dedicated to investigating and exposing human rights violations worldwide, estimates that at least 1,500 Pakistani women are in prison on charges of zina."

http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/236/Rape-Sexual-Harassment-Around-World.html

[qamar1990]

hey salam young bro( paki88)
i cudnt help but notice these guys team up on cuz ur young and oput stuf in ur head. ive jus joined this site again like 2 mins ago jus to encourage u and help u. onli the truith will set everybody free dat is so true
but wat they say is not the truth.
ive ran into this site 1st wen i was like 13 or 13 rite now im 18
i argued alot with these people cuz i thot they were jus confused ect. and they realli wana lern sumtin but after about a yr i became sure dat they r all full of it kasam. and dey jus want to offend us. all these guys say about how much impact dey made and all that sh!t but realli the total population of all these guys who chat sh!t is probably 50,000 rest is a bull( dats alot too but stil) btw where do u live in usa. im from rochester newyork. pakistani also. im from kharian in pakistan its a small city near the gujrat.

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[sword_of_truth]