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AhmedBahgat
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 Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Continuing the Slam Dunk Show |
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Salam All,
It has been a very long time since my Slam Dunk show last performance (in May) , and as I promised that I will continue later inshaallah when I have enough time, I still do not have such time but I feel that I should continue regardless, I had to create a new thread as I could not find the thread which has my debate with truthseeker2 in here, here is my 11th slam dunk,
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Does Allah forgive shirk?
Sura 4:48, 116, No
then we get
Sura 4:153, 25:68-71, Yes |
The confusion of the FFI goons is the result of how ignorant they are to what Allah said about Himself in the Quran
Let me first bring the verses they are referring to, in here:
Indeed, Allah does not forgive that partners be associated with Him, and He forgives what is less than that to whomsoever He desires; and whoever associates partners with Allah, indeed he forged a great sin.
[Al Quran ; 4:48]
إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَغْفِرُ أَن يُشْرَكَ بِهِ وَيَغْفِرُ مَا دُونَ ذَلِكَ لِمَن يَشَاء وَمَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ افْتَرَى إِثْمًا عَظِيمًا (48)
-> In the above verse, Allah is telling us: إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَغْفِرُ أَن يُشْرَكَ بِهِ , Indeed, Allah does not forgive that partners be associated with Him,
As well in the next verse, He said the exact same:
Indeed, Allah does not forgive that partners be associated with Him, and He forgives what is less than that to whomsoever He desires; and whoever associates partners with Allah, he indeed strayed into a distant misguidance.
[Al Quran ; 4:116]
إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَغْفِرُ أَن يُشْرَكَ بِهِ وَيَغْفِرُ مَا دُونَ ذَلِكَ لِمَن يَشَاء وَمَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللّهِ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلاَلاً بَعِيدًا (
116)
-> In the above verse, Allah is telling us: إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَغْفِرُ أَن يُشْرَكَ بِهِ , Indeed, Allah does not forgive that partners be associated with Him,
I wonder why the goon truthseeker2 posted two references to the same exact saying by Allah in regards to His saying that He will never forgive that partners be associated with Him. Possibly the goon trying to tell us by Allah repeating it twice it means that it is a stress of His upcoming action regarding Al Mushrikoon. Hmmmm, fine mister goon, I accept that understanding which is: When a sentence is being repeated then it has to be a stress of what is going to happen that is stated in such sentence, therefore the more it is repeated the more the stress increase
Let’s now look at the verses that suppose to contradict the above two verses:
The people of the Book ask you to bring down to them a book from the sky; indeed they asked of Musa a greater thing than that, as they said: Show us Allah publicly; therefore the lightning took them due to their injustice, then they took the calf after the clear signs had come to them, but We pardoned this; and We gave Musa a clear authority.
[Al Quran ; 4:153]
يَسْأَلُكَ أَهْلُ الْكِتَابِ أَن تُنَزِّلَ عَلَيْهِمْ كِتَابًا مِّنَ السَّمَاء فَقَدْ سَأَلُواْ مُوسَى أَكْبَرَ مِن ذَلِكَ فَقَالُواْ أَرِنَا اللّهِ جَهْرَةً فَأَخَذَتْهُمُ الصَّاعِقَةُ بِظُلْمِهِمْ ثُمَّ اتَّخَذُواْ الْعِجْلَ مِن بَعْدِ مَا جَاءتْهُمُ الْبَيِّنَاتُ فَعَفَوْنَا عَن ذَلِكَ وَآتَيْنَا مُوسَى سُلْطَانًا مُّبِينًا (153)
-> Hmmmm, here is where the confusion of the goon comes clear, the verse above never said that Allah forgives shirk, IT NEVER DID, the verse above is talking about PUNISHMENT ON EARTH, you stupid
Well, the verse above is talking about the confused Jews who took the calf as a god (they shirked by committing one of the types of shirk) and Allah decided to give them another chance ON EARTH, yet they failed such chance, therefore those who failed when they have died, their SHIRK WILL NEVER BE FORGIVEN according to what Allah stated twice in 4:48 and 4:116
In fact what Allah did with the Jews (by giving them another chance or more) , who have shirked IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH MANY MUSHRIKOON WHO ARE LIVING WITH US NOWDAYS, like the cow worshippers in India, or the Hindus who sometimes worship elephants (again in India, sounds like India is a good place to breed Mushrikoon), or the devil worshippers, etc etc, we do not see the punishment of Allah coming down upon them the moment they shirked, this means they are still given chances to return to the path to which He is calling them, and the game will be over when everyone dies, only then Allah will never forgive your shirk, if you die a Mushrik
Let’s look at the second verse that suppose to tell us that Allah will forgive shirk on the J Day:
68: And they who do not call upon another god with Allah and do not slay the soul, which Allah has forbidden except in the requirements of justice, and (who) do not commit fornication and he who does this shall find a requital of sin;
69: The punishment shall be doubled to him on the day of resurrection, and he shall abide therein in abasement;
70: Except him who repents and believes and does a good deed; so these are they of whom Allah changes the evil deeds to good ones; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
71: And whoever repents and does good, he surely turns to Allah a (goodly) turning.
[The Quran ; 25:68-71]
وَالَّذِينَ لَا يَدْعُونَ مَعَ اللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا آخَرَ وَلَا يَقْتُلُونَ النَّفْسَ الَّتِي حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلَّا بِالْحَقِّ وَلَا يَزْنُونَ ۚ وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْ ذَٰلِكَ يَلْقَ أَثَامًا (68)
يُضَاعَفْ لَهُ الْعَذَابُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَيَخْلُدْ فِيهِ مُهَانًا (69)
إِلَّا مَنْ تَابَ وَآمَنَ وَعَمِلَ عَمَلًا صَالِحًا فَأُولَٰئِكَ يُبَدِّلُ اللَّهُ سَيِّئَاتِهِمْ حَسَنَاتٍ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَحِيمًا (70)
وَمَنْ تَابَ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَإِنَّهُ يَتُوبُ إِلَى اللَّهِ مَتَابًا (71)
-> See how stupid and illogical the goons of FFI are, the above verses confirmed without a doubt what I said regarding 4:153 above, which is, Allah is giving more chances to the people He chose not to die YET as Mushrikoon, but if they failed such chances given and died while shirking, then this is what will happen to them as 25:69 above is CLEARLY telling us: يُضَاعَفْ لَهُ الْعَذَابُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَيَخْلُدْ فِيهِ مُهَانًا , The punishment shall be doubled to him on the day of resurrection, and he shall abide therein in abasement; , but if any Mushrik who calls upon another god with Allah, managed to repent then his past shirk will be forgiven, because when he/she died, they were not Mushrikoon: and that is exactly what 25:70-71 are telling us: , Except him who repents and believes and does a good deed; so these are they of whom Allah changes the evil deeds to good ones; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And whoever repents and does good, he surely turns to Allah a (goodly) turning.
Obviously the confused goon slam dunked himself, which should be enough to constitute slam dunk # 11:
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Hello Baguet,
How many Muslim mothers do you know approve of others raping their daughters because their God said so, in fighting for the cause of their Faith! And yours truly??
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YUSUFALI: Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.
PICKTHAL: Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous sin.
SHAKIR: Surely Allah does not forgive that anything should be associated with Him, and forgives what is besides that to whomsoever He pleases; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he devises indeed a great sin.
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The verse is very CLEAR.
1. Allah will never forgive anyone who commit shirk.
2. He will forgive anything OTHER than Shirk if he pleases.
Once again, Ahmed had slamdunked himself.
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Alexander the Great
Surah 18:89-98 says Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim and lived to a ripe old age.
But?
Historical records show that Alexander the Great died young at 33 years of age. He believed he was divine and forced others to recognize him as such. In India on the Hyphasis River Alexander erected twelve altars to twelve Olympian gods.
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A few years back, I collected one of the best refutation to such Tom and Jerry alleged contradiction, I could not remember the people who wrote such great refute, I thought it was by the brothers of Islamic Awareness but after searching their web site, could not find it, I also thought to be by the brothers of faithfreedom.com ( a web site that was created to reply to faithfreedom.org) but again could not find it, therefore I won’t be able to confirm the source, but if that is an issue for the goons to reject it, then consider that the source is myself:
Why Zul-Qarnain of the Quran is not Alexander the great
Popular opinion amongst the Muslims and quite recently, within the mainstream evangelical Christians identify Zul-Qarnian (of the Quran) with Alexander the great. This claim, in the light of history needs to be analysed while keeping in view the sublime story of Zul-Qarnain found in chapter 18 of the Quran. Before we initiate a point-by-point examination of whatever data available on hand, we must bear in mind that Quran does not mention the title "Alexander the great," but rather Zul-Qarnain (two-horned one) which may also mean "period or century." (1) In addition, "who was he? In what age and where did he live? The Quran gives us no material on which we can base a positive answer." (2)
Evidence 1:
The story of Zul-Qarnain begins in the Quran with:
"And they ask you about Zul-Qarnain. Say: 'I shall recite to you something of his story.' Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything."
[The Quran ; 18:83-84]
وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنْ ذِي الْقَرْنَيْنِ ۖ قُلْ سَأَتْلُو عَلَيْكُمْ مِنْهُ ذِكْرًا (83)
إِنَّا مَكَّنَّا لَهُ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَآتَيْنَاهُ مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ سَبَبًا (84)
The most important point made in verse 84 is that Allah endowed upon Zul-Qarnain the worldly power and prestige to enable him to rule justly. If a man of God is under the divine protection, then naturally, under no circumstances, the forces of evil can overpower him. Let us now see if, from the following historical record of Alexander the great, we recognise Zul-Qarnain of the Quran, Encyclopaedia Americana teel us under the name Alexander:
Alexander: "Hearing of the river Indus, ...drove the army eastward across the Hindu Kush (327 B.C.). His army had understood the need to consolidate all the Persian dominion, but believed this new venture to be a madman’s act. Actually, Alexander thought that he was entering the last peninsula of the earth: that beyond it lay the Ocean of the East. He reached the Indus with a growing following, a moving state of allied peoples and their families, while his remaining Macedonians laid down pontoon bridges, shored up roads over immense ranges, and fought battles when necessary. Passing from the friendly country around Taxila (near Attock), they encountered the hostile Paurava rajah at the Jhelum River where the Macedonian infantry had to fight against armoured elephants for the first time. Alexander and his spearhead could not approach the elephants, which terrified the horses. This shook the Macedonian veterans who mutinied en masse at the river Ravi. Deeply angered, because he believed the end of the land lay not far off, at Ocean, Alexander was obliged to retreat (326 B.C.)." (3)
From the above narrative, we can easily observe that Alexander’s army considered this new venture to be a madman’s act and running away from the battleground upon seeing elephants in the enemy’s army. Both of these acts are in clear opposition to the verse 84 where Zul-Qarnain is given the utmost power:
"Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything."
[The Quran ; 18:84]
إِنَّا مَكَّنَّا لَهُ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَآتَيْنَاهُ مِنْ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ سَبَبًا (84)
When a man of God is given the power to rule justly upon the earth, he’s also sustained by his followers who are ready and willing to follow their leader, and sacrifice themselves for the sake of God. No hardship, calamity or force can play any role against them. But, unfortunately, Alexander’s cowardly actions, such as becoming angry just because he was unable to fight Paurava Raja’s ((a Rajah) belonging to, or descended from Puru, a king of Lunar Dynasty) (4) army which consisted of elephants do not match that of a man of God.
Evidence 2:
Zul-Qarnain was indeed a believer in monotheism. In one of his voyages, as described in the Quran, he found some people, and said to them:
"as for him who believes in (Allah’s Oneness) and works righteousness, he shall have the best reward (Paradise), and we (Zul-Qarnain) shall speak unto him mild words."
[The Quran ; 18:87]
قَالَ أَمَّا مَنْ ظَلَمَ فَسَوْفَ نُعَذِّبُهُ ثُمَّ يُرَدُّ إِلَىٰ رَبِّهِ فَيُعَذِّبُهُ عَذَابًا نُكْرًا (87)
On the other hand, we do not find Alexander being a believer in the Oneness of God, as the following record demonstrates it:
"Alexander eagerly assimilated the religious mysticism of the Nile and of Magian Persia. Not only did he protect these religions, but also as a sole ruler, he necessarily assumed the semidivine aspect of an Asian despot, wearing Persian attire at ceremonies and accepting prostration in his presence."(5) Furthermore, "Alexander’s greatest work was the spread of Greek influence..." (6)
The comparison so clearly separates Alexander from Zul-Qarnain that no further explanation is needed.
Evidence 3:
In Zul-Qarnain’s third voyage, he found a habitation between two mountains whose people asked for his help against the aggression of Gog and Magog - for which they were going to pay him a tribute. And in the words of the Quran, Zul-Qarnain replied to them:
"(the power) in which My Lord has established me Is better (than tribute.)"
[The Quran ; 18:95]
قَالَ مَا مَكَّنِّي فِيهِ رَبِّي خَيْرٌ فَأَعِينُونِي بِقُوَّةٍ أَجْعَلْ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُمْ رَدْمًا (95)
The manner in which Zul-Qarnain responded, is a testimony in itself that he had no interest in the material gain of this world. His mission endorsed by God was to be just and kind to oppressed, and harsh with those who inflict hardship upon the helpless. In contrast, when we analyse Alexander in similar capacity, we get a picture opposite to what has been cited above for Zul-Qarnain:
"In Susa and Persepolis his (Alexander’s) headlong pursuit won him the imperial treasure of some 180,000 talents in bullion and coin - so fabulous an amount that he demonetised the gold to equate it with the smaller Graeco-Macedonian silver coinage," (7) and "at Damascus the Persian army’s treasure and supply train were captured, giving Alexander wealth for the first time." (8)
From these two historical records, can we picture Zul-Qarnain as he is depicted in the above Quranic verse? Obviously not!
Evidence 4:
So far, it has been established that Zul-Qarnain of the Quran was a believer in the Oneness of God. In the case of Alexander the great, following few historical accounts further confirm that he was not a monotheist:
"In the spring of 331 Alexander made a pilgrimage to the great temple and oracle of Amon-Ra, Egyptian god of the sun, whom the Greeks identified with Zeus. The earlier Egyptian pharaohs were believed to be sons of Amon-Ra; and Alexander, the new ruler of Egypt, wanted the god to acknowledge him as his son. The pilgrimage apparently was successful, and it may have confirmed in him a belief in his own divine origin."
"Shortly before he died, Alexander ordered the Greek cities to worship him as a god. Although he probably gave the order for political reasons, he was, in his own view and that of his contemporaries, of divine birth." (9)
Conclusion:
In the days gone by, access and availability to social, academic and scientific knowledge was either limited or non-existent. People of learning used to base their opinions on whatever information was on hand. There were also those who accepted matters as conclusive without having first analysed it from all the different angles. In the case of those Muslim commentators on the Holy Quran who identify Zul-Qarnain with Alexander the great, we simply cannot blame them for their erroneous interpretation. The time-domain they lived in and the resources available to them, they, accordingly, explained the Quranic text to the best of their ability. Despite the fact that they were all sincere and good hearted scholars, they were bound to incorporate within their work certain cultural elements of which they were part of:
"no other man has been claimed - in legends - by so many nations. Egyptian fable makes him god. Arabo-Persian tradition represents Is-kander as a hero-saint." (10)
The only common factor on which these scholars based their opinions is the expeditions carried by Alexander and Zul_Qarnain. Other than this, there are hardly any other characteristics that are common in both.
References:
1. Cyril Classe, The Concise Encyclopaedia of Islam, Harper & Row, 1989, p_32
2. Yusuf Ali, The Holy Quran, note 2428
3. Encyclopaedia Americana, Volume 1, p_540
4. Margaret & James Stutly, A dictionary of Hinduism, Ronledge & Kegan Paul, 1977
5. Encyclopaedia Americana, Volume 1, p_540
6. Encyclopaedia of Religion & Ethics, Volume 1, p_307
7. Encyclopaedia Americana, Volume 1, p_540
8. Ibid., p_539
9. Funk & Wagnalls Encyclopaedia, CDROM ver, by future vision multimedia inc., 1995 INFOPEDIA
10. Encyclopaedia Americana, Volume 1, p_540
And this should take us to the 12[sup]th[/sup] slam:
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this means they are still given chances to return to the path to which He is calling them, and the game will be over when everyone dies, only then Allah will never forgive your shirk, if you die a Mushrik
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@ALL KAFIRS
Rejoice and show infidelity !! You have chance to change his decision till death i.e allah wont punish you even if you commit shirk on earth provided you return to his path before you die . All he wants is that you should be a believer when you die. So there is no reason why one remains a believer all his life . When you come close to the age of death please start believing so that you will be forgiven by allah and you will be saved. . We should be proud of muhhamad because he never lets us down . So you all see why i keep saying that muhhamad was exceptionally dumb 
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[quote="skynightblaze"]PAEDOPHILE WORSHIPPER WROTE:
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this means they are still given chances to return to the path to which He is calling them, and the game will be over when everyone dies, only then Allah will never forgive your shirk, if you die a Mushrik
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What about people that Allah applied a seal to their heart while they were still alive?? Doh!!!! Forgot about that one, didn't you. That's ok, we know you can't reason properly because your prophet couldn't reason properly.
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PAEDOPHILE WORSHIPPER WROTE:
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this means they are still given chances to return to the path to which He is calling them, and the game will be over when everyone dies, only then Allah will never forgive your shirk, if you die a Mushrik
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What about people that Allah applied a seal to their heart while they were still alive?? Doh!!!! Forgot about that one, didn't you. That's ok, we know you can't reason properly because your prophet couldn't reason properly.
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Be prepared for a life dismissal. This is all that coward can do instead of answering you.
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[quote="Islamis_Allah_Tashit"]
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PAEDOPHILE WORSHIPPER WROTE:
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this means they are still given chances to return to the path to which He is calling them, and the game will be over when everyone dies, only then Allah will never forgive your shirk, if you die a Mushrik
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What about people that Allah applied a seal to their heart while they were still alive?? Doh!!!! Forgot about that one, didn't you. That's ok, we know you can't reason properly because your prophet couldn't reason properly.
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Well, it seems that you are gettin dumber everyday, I wonder how your IQ will be a minus figure in a few days times
The point that you ignorantly do not know while you lie to us and tell us that you know the Quran very well, is this:
those loser desired the life of this world and consequently, Allah is giving them what they want, not only that, they have to be rewarded in this life for any good they do in this life, but on the J Day they must have their arses barbecued
Get your arse ready, punk
It's Showtime
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Robot opens a thread with "Continuing the Slam Dunk Show" and pens
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but on the J Day they must have their arses barbecued
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Your SHOW IS A DUNG SHOW dear Ahmed often filled with DUNG and has very little Human common sense that is already built in to you. You see, you have to realize that there are RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE in this world and on that J Day..D DAY, they will barbecue [b][u]the asses of those and their leader who are barbecuing them., It really doesn't matter even if the leader is that Mr. Muhammad's Allah God.. The Allah Doll..
with best regards
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Robot opens a thread with "Continuing the Slam Dunk Show" and pens
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but on the J Day they must have their arses barbecued
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You are SHOW IS A DUNG SHOW dear Ahmed often filled with b]DUNG[/b] and has very little Human common sense that is already built in to you. You see, you have to realize that there are RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE in this world and on that J Day..D DAY, they will barbecue [b][u]the asses of those and their leader who are barbecuing them., It really doesn't matter even if the leader is that Mr. Muhammad's Allah God.. The Allah Doll..
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Yekee, take your pals and perform your Punks Paradade somewhere elese
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You said they are given chances to return to the path while they are alive, but that simply isn't true in the case of someone who Allah has applied a seal to their heart. In fact, this very issue illustrates the entire problem with the concept of the seal on the heart. So how do you handle it? You merely ignore it as though the concept doesn't exist, and pretend as though God is waiting for any of us to return to the true path for as long as we live. This is a Christian concept that you borrowed and put an Islamic label on. But in REAL Islam, this is not the case. Once God seals your heart while you are still alive, he is not waiting for you to return to the true path. This illustrates the stupidity of the entire concept. While one may even understand God giving up on someone or turning his back on them, one can't easily understand God doing something to actively prevent them or block them from returning to the true path. This is where the idea gets insane, but this is exactly what Islam says. And it is clear from the Quran, that whether we deserve the seal or not, we do not apply it, Allah does. One might say the person deserves it and that's fine. But we do not apply the seal, Allah does.
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Sorry, the punks will be on you and on all those who consider Mr. Muhammad as the LAST Messenger to Allah and Q'uran is the word of Allah.. Let me tell you this., " the probability and the chance of ANY MUSLIM member of FFI(including you) becoming a MESSENGER to Allah/God is FAR higher than the probability of Mr. Muhammad as a messenger of Allah/God dear A_B.,
So your trick will not work with me..
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This whole seal on the heart thing has to make any thinking mind wonder why God would block someone from returning to the true path. One might say that God already knows that one will never return to the true path and therefore applies the seal, but if that's the case, then why even bother to apply the seal? Why take even the smallest extra step if it is completely unnecessary? See how goofy this entire concept is? I think Muhammad made it up to explain to the converted pagans why they were converting, but the Christian and Jews, who's religion Muhammad supposedly came to complete, were not converting. So Muhammad had to make up the seal on the heart excuse and it was a really stupid goof on his part. He just didn't think this one through very well, just like BagHat never thinks things through very well, just like the majority of Muslims don't think things through very well. Seems like logic and reasoning to Muslims is like garlic is to a vampire.
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Let me educate Ugly by giving him a Quran lesson:
Let's have a look at the following verse:
And a soul shall not die except with the permission of Allah, an appointed book; and whoever desires the reward of this world, We shall give him of it, and whoever desires the reward of the hereafter We shall give him of it, and We will reward the grateful.
[Al Quran ; 3:145]
وَمَا كَانَ لِنَفْسٍ أَنْ تَمُوتَ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ كِتَابًا مُؤَجَّلًا ۗ وَمَنْ يُرِدْ ثَوَابَ الدُّنْيَا نُؤْتِهِ مِنْهَا وَمَنْ يُرِدْ ثَوَابَ الْآخِرَةِ نُؤْتِهِ مِنْهَا ۚ وَسَنَجْزِي الشَّاكِرِينَ (145)
-> See mister Ugly, وَمَنْ يُرِدْ ثَوَابَ الدُّنْيَا نُؤْتِهِ مِنْهَا وَمَنْ يُرِدْ ثَوَابَ الْآخِرَةِ نُؤْتِهِ مِنْهَاَ, i.e. and whoever desires the reward of this world, We shall give him of it, and whoever desires the reward of the hereafter We shall give him of it,
I.e. those Mushrikoon, and btw you are a Mushrik too, this is because Allah told you to believe while Satan told you the opposite (not to believe) and as you know you chose to serve Satan after hearing both, i.e. you have Shirked, therefore a Mushrik like you wants the life of this world, and certainly you may have possibly done a few good deeds in the life of this world (I am sure though that most of your deeds are evil) anyway, for your good deeds that you did in this life while you are desiring this life only, you must be rewarded for such deeds using what you love and desire which is the life of this world, see again: and whoever desires the reward of this world, We shall give him of it,, and that must be you and the likes of you
However, you will have a serious problem after the life of this world finishes and I am sure that even an Ugly dumb bum like you knows that the life of this world must finish (death), your serious problem is as follow:
Whoever desires the reward of the hereafter, We will give him more of that reward; and whoever desires the reward of this world, We give him of it, and in the hereafter he has no portion.
[Al Quran ; 42:20]
مَنْ كَانَ يُرِيدُ حَرْثَ الْآخِرَةِ نَزِدْ لَهُ فِي حَرْثِهِ ۖ وَمَنْ كَانَ يُرِيدُ حَرْثَ الدُّنْيَا نُؤْتِهِ مِنْهَا وَمَا لَهُ فِي الْآخِرَةِ مِنْ نَصِيبٍ (20)
-> See your serious problem: وَمَنْ كَانَ يُرِيدُ حَرْثَ الدُّنْيَا نُؤْتِهِ مِنْهَا وَمَا لَهُ فِي الْآخِرَةِ مِنْ نَصِيبٍ, i.e. and whoever desires the reward of this world, We give him of it, and in the hereafter he has no portion., i.e. the Mushrikoon like you, who desires the reward of this life, are still alive so Allah fulfil His words which is to reward ya from it while you are still covered by the seal btw, then when you die, your Shirk will never be forgiven, i.e. in the hereafter he has no portion.
And as you know that on the hearafter, it's showtime
And that was the start of the second dozen of slam dunks:
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