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Brave Steed

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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: University course sparks renewed interest in dying religion |
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University course sparks renewed interest in 'dying' religion
DESI DIALOGUES
RAKSHANDE ITALIA
Thousands of Zoroastrians in Canada celebrated the birthday of Spitama Zarathushtra, the prophet and founder of the world's oldest monotheistic religion. - Zoroastrianism
Founded around 1200 B.C., Zoroastrianism is credited by historians as having far-reaching influences on Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
It is said Zoroastrians should lead their daily lives through good thoughts, good deeds and good words.
As a child, I was taught that it was of the upmost importance to learn those three principles. I also thought by practising those principles, we would not have to read the holy book, called the Avesta, comprised of five gathas, or hymns, composed by the prophet himself, because we could not comprehend the script.
I thought, as a child, that these principles were simple to follow, but later learned that I was just skimming the surface as far as the religion's philosophy is concerned.
As we started understanding some of the intricate prayers in our books, we found they held a spiritual meaning. The prayers were easy to comprehend at first but had deeper meaning. As a child I found out that even if we did not understand the language we could recite at least some of the holy scriptures.
I was also later amazed to find that my religion had influenced Judaism, which shares some Zoroastrian beliefs such as the ultimate victory of good over evil and the resurrection of souls.
I also found it interesting that Zoroastrianism flourished as the imperial religion of three Persian empires - Achaemians, Parthians and the Sassanians - and was the dominant religion from Turkey and eastward to China.
So how did we land in India?
In the eighth century, Zoroastrians fled Persia and settled in India as they were fearful of being persecuted by the Arabs. Called the Parsees in India, they assimilated into Indian society but made strong efforts to preserve their religious and cultural identity. Under British colonial rule, by the 19th century, the Parsees, were one of India's most prosperous and educated communities.
And the icing on the cake is that the University of Toronto has started a course on the faith, and there has been a renewed interest in the so called dying religion.
Originally published in print by the North York Mirror, Friday August 29, 2008 |
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Lyzandra Daria
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: University course sparks renewed interest in dying relig |
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| Brave Steed wrote: |
University course sparks renewed interest in 'dying' religion
DESI DIALOGUES
RAKSHANDE ITALIA
Thousands of Zoroastrians in Canada celebrated the birthday of Spitama Zarathushtra, the prophet and founder of the world's oldest monotheistic religion. - Zoroastrianism
Founded around 1200 B.C., Zoroastrianism is credited by historians as having far-reaching influences on Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
It is said Zoroastrians should lead their daily lives through good thoughts, good deeds and good words.
As a child, I was taught that it was of the upmost importance to learn those three principles. I also thought by practising those principles, we would not have to read the holy book, called the Avesta, comprised of five gathas, or hymns, composed by the prophet himself, because we could not comprehend the script.
I thought, as a child, that these principles were simple to follow, but later learned that I was just skimming the surface as far as the religion's philosophy is concerned.
As we started understanding some of the intricate prayers in our books, we found they held a spiritual meaning. The prayers were easy to comprehend at first but had deeper meaning. As a child I found out that even if we did not understand the language we could recite at least some of the holy scriptures.
I was also later amazed to find that my religion had influenced Judaism, which shares some Zoroastrian beliefs such as the ultimate victory of good over evil and the resurrection of souls.
I also found it interesting that Zoroastrianism flourished as the imperial religion of three Persian empires - Achaemians, Parthians and the Sassanians - and was the dominant religion from Turkey and eastward to China.
So how did we land in India?
In the eighth century, Zoroastrians fled Persia and settled in India as they were fearful of being persecuted by the Arabs. Called the Parsees in India, they assimilated into Indian society but made strong efforts to preserve their religious and cultural identity. Under British colonial rule, by the 19th century, the Parsees, were one of India's most prosperous and educated communities.
And the icing on the cake is that the University of Toronto has started a course on the faith, and there has been a renewed interest in the so called dying religion.
Originally published in print by the North York Mirror, Friday August 29, 2008 |
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http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57273&highlight=
"Early Christianity was deeply influenced by Zoroastrianism, which insisted that the only women who might escape eternal torture in hell were those who lived lives of abject obedience to men. Psychologically, however, the abjectly obedient do not escape persecution. The pose of a victim only encourages abuse by the bully. As a rule, a bully is a coward who prefers to torment only those who seem incapable of fighting back.
Yeah...like we need 'renewed interest' in another misogynistic religion.
>>> _________________ "Faith must have adequate evidence else it is mere superstition"...Alexander Hodge (1823-1886)
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crazy canuck
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Zorastrianism is not dying religion.
Population of Parsis ( Indian Zorastrains ) is declining.
In Persia there are bout 15-30000 zorstrians , ofcourse living at margin , often persecuted by Shiaite Iran. Many have migrated to West, few to India. |
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shoeshiner

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Zorastrianism is not dying religion.
Population of Parsis ( Indian Zorastrains ) is declining.
In Persia there are bout 15-30000 zorstrians , ofcourse living at margin , often persecuted by Shiaite Iran. Many have migrated to West, few to India. |
And lots of Shite Muslims are calling themselves Zoroastrians and are learning and studying it. There is a video of some Mullah where he says that he is not concerned by the young Iranians becoming Christians, he is much more concerned by them becoming Zoroastraians. Iranians seem to be sick of Islam. I just wish that they would get sick of religion. But Zoroastrianism is much better than Islam, so I can't complain much. _________________ "The curse of man, and cause of nearly all of his woes, is his stupendous capacity for believing the incredible."
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shoeshiner

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Here's the video that I was talking about. Sorry, my memory of it is bad, so what I said about Chrisitanity is wrong. However, he does say that many Muslim kids are becoming Zoroastrians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLAy4ruCVAI _________________ "The curse of man, and cause of nearly all of his woes, is his stupendous capacity for believing the incredible."
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Chewchy
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| crazy canuck wrote: |
Zorastrianism is not dying religion.
Population of Parsis ( Indian Zorastrains ) is declining.
In Persia there are bout 15-30000 zorstrians , ofcourse living at margin , often persecuted by Shiaite Iran. Many have migrated to West, few to India. |
And lots of Shite Muslims are calling themselves Zoroastrians and are learning and studying it. There is a video of some Mullah where he says that he is not concerned by the young Iranians becoming Christians, he is much more concerned by them becoming Zoroastraians. Iranians seem to be sick of Islam. I just wish that they would get sick of religion. But Zoroastrianism is much better than Islam, so I can't complain much. |
Yes, I saw that video a few weeks back. It really goes to show how worried these disgusting mullahs are. Good! I'm glad but I don't want them to come down harder on people though
Sick of Islam, absolutely. Sick of religion.... all in good time. |
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charleslemartel

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I found a commentary on Zarathustra which seems to be quite interesting:
Zarathustra _________________ Happy New Year to Everyone
Fear is the most powerful emotional tool, it can turn off the areas of the brain responsible for rational thought.
Is that why Muslims can't be rational? |
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Aksel Ankersen
Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 465 Location: Away, sorry about this.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: Re: University course sparks renewed interest in dying relig |
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| Lyzandra Daria wrote: |
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http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57273&highlight=
"Early Christianity was deeply influenced by Zoroastrianism, which insisted that the only women who might escape eternal torture in hell were those who lived lives of abject obedience to men. Psychologically, however, the abjectly obedient do not escape persecution. The pose of a victim only encourages abuse by the bully. As a rule, a bully is a coward who prefers to torment only those who seem incapable of fighting back.
Yeah...like we need 'renewed interest' in another misogynistic religion.
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And what is Barbarra Walker's source? Where in the Avesta does it say that? _________________ “The mystery of existence is the connection between our faults and our misfortunes.”
-Madame de Staël |
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Aksel Ankersen
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| charleslemartel wrote: |
I found a commentary on Zarathustra which seems to be quite interesting:
Zarathustra |
Um, I didn't read all of that link - because it was all in upper case and annoying to read - however, it was a condensation of the first part of Nietzche's novel Thus Spake Zarathushtra. Not the real Prophet.
If you want to know about Zoroastrianism, I highly recommend this archive: http://www.sacred-texts.com/zor/index.htm
Just a shame we haven't had another decent English translation of the entire Zend Avesta in 126 years. There are, however, a couple of good online translations of the Gathas - the songs authored by Zoroaster himself.
Mobed Firouz Azargoshasb
D J Irani _________________ “The mystery of existence is the connection between our faults and our misfortunes.”
-Madame de Staël |
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charleslemartel

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| Aksel Ankersen wrote: |
| charleslemartel wrote: |
I found a commentary on Zarathustra which seems to be quite interesting:
Zarathustra |
Um, I didn't read all of that link - because it was all in upper case and annoying to read - however, it was a condensation of the first part of Nietzche's novel Thus Spake Zarathushtra. Not the real Prophet.
If you want to know about Zoroastrianism, I highly recommend this archive: http://www.sacred-texts.com/zor/index.htm
Just a shame we haven't had another decent English translation of the entire Zend Avesta in 126 years. There are, however, a couple of good online translations of the Gathas - the songs authored by Zoroaster himself.
Mobed Firouz Azargoshasb
D J Irani |
I agree with you, but I think I summoned a bit more patience and followed the links on that site. The site has presented the introductory material very badly, but if you follow the links, you will be able to read in proper fonts. Try this:
Chapter 7 and just scroll down a few pages. _________________ Happy New Year to Everyone
Fear is the most powerful emotional tool, it can turn off the areas of the brain responsible for rational thought.
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Lyzandra Daria
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: University course sparks renewed interest in dying relig |
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| Aksel Ankersen wrote: |
| Lyzandra Daria wrote: |
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http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57273&highlight=
"Early Christianity was deeply influenced by Zoroastrianism, which insisted that the only women who might escape eternal torture in hell were those who lived lives of abject obedience to men. Psychologically, however, the abjectly obedient do not escape persecution. The pose of a victim only encourages abuse by the bully. As a rule, a bully is a coward who prefers to torment only those who seem incapable of fighting back.
Yeah...like we need 'renewed interest' in another misogynistic religion.
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And what is Barbarra Walker's source? Where in the Avesta does it say that? |
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Notes
1. DeMeo, James. Saharasia: The 4000 BCE Origins of Child Abuse, Sex-Repression, Warfare and Social Violence in the Deserts of the Old World. Greensprings, OR: Orgone Biophysical Research Lab., 1998, pp. 367-368
2. Ibid., p. 312
3. Walker, Barbara G. The Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets. HarperSanFrancisco, 1983, pp. 910-911
4. DeMeo, op. cit., pp. 275, 306
5. Briffault, Robert. The Mothers: A Study of the Origins of Sentiments and Institutions (3 vols). New York: Macmillan, 1927, v. 2, p. 48
6. DeMeo, op. cit., p. 311
7. Walker, op. cit., pp. 921-922
8. Smith, Homer W. Man and His Gods. Boston: Little, Brown & Co., 1952, p. 418
9. See Carroll, James. Constantine’s Sword. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 2001
10. Warraq, Ibn. Why I Am Not A Muslim. Amherst, NY: Prometheus, 1995, p. 116
11. Rich, Adrienne. Of Woman Born. New York: W.W. Norton & Co., 1976, p. 67
12. Ibid., p. 270
13. Stephenson, June. Men Are Not Cost-Effective: Male Crime in America. New York: HarperCollins 1995, p. 33
14. Graham, Lloyd M. Deceptions and Myths of the Bible. Carol Publishing Group, 1999, pp. 420-421
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I posted the link to the article...but you will probably find any or all of these sources deficient/lacking.
>>> _________________ "Faith must have adequate evidence else it is mere superstition"...Alexander Hodge (1823-1886)
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Aksel Ankersen
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: Re: University course sparks renewed interest in dying relig |
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| Lyzandra Daria wrote: |
| Aksel Ankersen wrote: |
| Lyzandra Daria wrote: |
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Yeah...like we need 'renewed interest' in another misogynistic religion.
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And what is Barbarra Walker's source? Where in the Avesta does it say that? |
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Notes
1. DeMeo, James. Saharasia: The 4000 BCE Origins of Child Abuse, Sex-Repression, Warfare and Social Violence in the Deserts of the Old World. Greensprings, OR: Orgone Biophysical Research Lab., 1998, pp. 367-368
2. Ibid., p. 312
3. Walker, Barbara G. The Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets. HarperSanFrancisco, 1983, pp. 910-911
4. DeMeo, op. cit., pp. 275, 306
5. Briffault, Robert. The Mothers: A Study of the Origins of Sentiments and Institutions (3 vols). New York: Macmillan, 1927, v. 2, p. 48
6. DeMeo, op. cit., p. 311
7. Walker, op. cit., pp. 921-922
8. Smith, Homer W. Man and His Gods. Boston: Little, Brown & Co., 1952, p. 418
9. See Carroll, James. Constantine’s Sword. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 2001
10. Warraq, Ibn. Why I Am Not A Muslim. Amherst, NY: Prometheus, 1995, p. 116
11. Rich, Adrienne. Of Woman Born. New York: W.W. Norton & Co., 1976, p. 67
12. Ibid., p. 270
13. Stephenson, June. Men Are Not Cost-Effective: Male Crime in America. New York: HarperCollins 1995, p. 33
14. Graham, Lloyd M. Deceptions and Myths of the Bible. Carol Publishing Group, 1999, pp. 420-421
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I posted the link to the article...but you will probably find any or all of these sources deficient/lacking.
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Sorry Lyz, but I do.
Another author may have found Zoroastrianism teaches misogyny, however, it is not enough to quote their work without including the original citation from a Zoroastrian scripture. _________________ “The mystery of existence is the connection between our faults and our misfortunes.”
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Lyzandra Daria
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: University course sparks renewed interest in dying relig |
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| Aksel Ankersen wrote: |
| Another author may have found Zoroastrianism teaches misogyny, however, it is not enough to quote their work without including the original citation from a Zoroastrian scripture.[/color] |
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apparently, that would be a nice trick...
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Tradition tells us that the Zoroastrian scriptures consisted originally of twenty-one nasks (books), but only one of these, the Vendidad, had been completely preserved. The loss of the sacred books is attributed by the followers of Zoroaster to the invasion of Alexander "the accursed Iskandar", as they call him, who burned the palace library at Persepolis, thus destroying one archetype copy of the text, and threw the other into the river near Samarkand, according to the statement of the Pahlavi records (Dinkard, bk. III, West, "Sacred Books of the East", XXXVII, pp. xxx, xxxi, and Shatroiha-i Airan, 2-5).
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But, I'll keep looking, when I have time/interest
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edit...I might have found one...
http://www.sacred-texts.com/zor/sbe04/sbe0410.htm
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44 (118). If men of the same faith, either friends or brothers, come to an agreement together, that one may obtain from the other, either goods 2, or a wife 3, or knowledge 4, let him who wants to have goods have them delivered to him; let him who wants to have a wife receive and wed her; let him who wants to have knowledge be taught the holy word.
This seems like an agreement which relegates the female to the level of 'chattel'. What if the woman doesn't want to be a wife to that particular man who wants a wife.
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And another (same link as above)...
47 (130). . . . Verily I say it unto thee, O Spitama Zarathustra! the man who has a wife is far above him who begets no sons 1; he who keeps a house is far above him who has none; he who has children is far above the childless man; he who has riches is far above him who has none.
I'm just saying...why not ..."is far above him who begets no CHILDREN"...
One could project that a man with a wife is no better than a man with a wife who had daughters only. Kind of denegrating, IMO.
I'm not against your effort, if I understand, to praise the culture of Iran BEFORE the shame of capitulation to islam. The persian culture was to be greatly admired...just not necessarily in it's fair treatment of women.
Iiuc, you are making the point that Iranians should recapture the 'glory' of persia before islam sullied Iran...that's great. But I wouldn't agree that reverting to a pantheistic religion (from which judaism, christianity, and islam can trace their roots) would be a great idea, IMO.
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3rd reference found...
This is from the footnotes (same link as above)
45:3 Woman is an object of contract, like cattle or fields; she is disposed of by contracts of the fifth sort, being more valuable than cattle and less so than fields. She is sold by her father or her guardian, often from the cradle. 'Instances are not wanting of the betrothal of a boy of three years of age to a girl of two' (see Dosabhoy Framjee's work on The Parsees, p. 77; cf. 'A Bill to Define and Amend the Law relating to Succession, Inheritance, Marriage, &c.,' Bombay, 1864).
I believe I've proved my original post sufficiently to state that Zoroastrianism is a misogynistic religion.
Besides, it's really hard to read that stuff.
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OK one more from the footnotes same reference link
46:1 'In Persia there are prizes given by the king to those who have most children' (Herod. I, 136). 'He who has no child, the bridge (of paradise) shall be barred to him. The first question the angels there will ask him is, whether he has left in this world a substitute for himself; if he answers, No, they will pass by and he will stay at the head of the bridge, full of grief and sorrow' (Saddar 18; Hyde 19). The primitive meaning of this belief is explained by Brahmanical doctrine; the man without a son falls into hell, because there is nobody to pay him the family worship.
I believe this is in relation to 'a man with a wife is better than a man who has no sons' part. So apparently a girl child is worthless in the sense that only a boy child can pay the 'family worship' fee.
>>> _________________ "Faith must have adequate evidence else it is mere superstition"...Alexander Hodge (1823-1886)
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Aksel Ankersen
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: Re: University course sparks renewed interest in dying relig |
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| Lyzandra Daria wrote: |
| Aksel Ankersen wrote: |
| Another author may have found Zoroastrianism teaches misogyny, however, it is not enough to quote their work without including the original citation from a Zoroastrian scripture.[/color] |
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apparently, that would be a nice trick...
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Tradition tells us that the Zoroastrian scriptures consisted originally of twenty-one nasks (books), but only one of these, the Vendidad, had been completely preserved. The loss of the sacred books is attributed by the followers of Zoroaster to the invasion of Alexander "the accursed Iskandar", as they call him, who burned the palace library at Persepolis, thus destroying one archetype copy of the text, and threw the other into the river near Samarkand, according to the statement of the Pahlavi records (Dinkard, bk. III, West, "Sacred Books of the East", XXXVII, pp. xxx, xxxi, and Shatroiha-i Airan, 2-5).
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The most important portion of the Avesta was preserved in a form that cannot be burnt or water damaged - that is memetically, as songs. The 17 Gathas are all learnt off by heart. So long as we have the Gathas we still have Zoroastrianism.
| Lyzandra Daria wrote: |
But, I'll keep looking, when I have time/interest
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edit...I might have found one...
http://www.sacred-texts.com/zor/sbe04/sbe0410.htm
II e 1.
44 (118). If men of the same faith, either friends or brothers, come to an agreement together, that one may obtain from the other, either goods 2, or a wife 3, or knowledge 4, let him who wants to have goods have them delivered to him; let him who wants to have a wife receive and wed her; let him who wants to have knowledge be taught the holy word.
This seems like an agreement which relegates the female to the level of 'chattel'. What if the woman doesn't want to be a wife to that particular man who wants a wife.
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I agree that is misogynistic, but that is Vendidad. I do not consider the Vendidad to be a purely Zoroastrian composition, it is rather a variety of fragments of the Young Avesta patched together in an uncertain manner, in a later time period and by compliers who spoke another language (not ancient Avestan but Middle Persian).
Frankly, I am suspicious of the influence of the Magi, who were Medians practicing a distinct, pre-Zoroastrian religion, upon the writing of the Vendidad.
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Zoroaster the sage, who, they record, lived five thousand years before the time of the Trojan War. He called the one Oromazes and the other Areimanius; and he further declared that among all the things perceptible to the senses, Oromazes may best be compared to light, and Areimanius, conversely, to darkness and ignorance, and midway between the two is Mithras: for this reason the Persians give to Mithras the name of "Mediator." Zoroaster has also taught that men should make votive offerings and thank-offerings to Oromazes, and averting and mourning offerings to Areimanius. They pound up in a mortar a certain plant called omomi at the same time invoking Hades and Darkness; then they mix it with the blood of a wolf that has been sacrificed, and carry it out and cast it into a place where the sun never shines. In fact, they believe that some of the plants belong to the good god and others to the evil daemon; so also of the animals they think that dogs, fowls, and hedgehogs, for example, belong to the good god, but that water-rats belong to the evil one; therefore the man who has killed the most of these they hold to be fortunate.
Isis and Osiris 46 p 369 |
These rituals are not mentioned by Zoroaster in the Gathas. Especially not propitiation of the evil spirit (c.f. the Zoroastrian creed, Yasna 12:4). Yet similar rituals - incongrous with the Gathas - abound in the Vendidad.
Now, Plutarch lived from 46-127 AD (aproximately) and the 21 Nasks of the Avesta were compiled from the time of King Valkhash (a contemporary of Emperor Nero) to Shahpuhar II of the Sassanid Empire (309-380 AD). Even during the life of Plutarch, long before this final compilation of the Avesta, there was a considerable influence - Even infiltration - of the Magic religion upon Zoroastrianism.
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'The Magi,' says Herodotus, 'are a very peculiar race, different entirely from the Egyptian priests, and indeed from all other men whatsoever. The Egyptian priests make it a point of religion not to kill any live animals except those which they offer in sacrifice. The Magi, on the contrary, kill animals of all kinds with their own hands, excepting dogs and men. They even seem to take a delight in the employment, and kill, readily as they do other animals, ants and snakes, and such-like flying and creeping things. However, since this has always been their custom, let them keep to it.'
The Dawn and Twilight of Zoroastrianism, NY 1961 |
C.f. Vendidad Fargard 14;5 on killing creepy-crawlies and reptiles, and you will see what I mean... Their is no doubt for me that these passages of the Vendidad have origins not in Zoroaster but in the shamanistic Magi. Their attitude towards females also left a lot to be desired, it would seem.
Gathic Zoroastrianism promotes Gender equality... I will deal with this in my next post.
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And another (same link as above)...
47 (130). . . . Verily I say it unto thee, O Spitama Zarathustra! the man who has a wife is far above him who begets no sons 1; he who keeps a house is far above him who has none; he who has children is far above the childless man; he who has riches is far above him who has none.
I'm just saying...why not ..."is far above him who begets no CHILDREN"...
One could project that a man with a wife is no better than a man with a wife who had daughters only. Kind of denegrating, IMO. |
Yeah, kinda degenerating, but I'd prefer we confined this discussion to the early Avesta, that is Yasna, Yasht and Visperad.
Can we leave Vendidad alone for now? _________________ “The mystery of existence is the connection between our faults and our misfortunes.”
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Lyzandra Daria
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: University course sparks renewed interest in dying relig |
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I'd prefer we confined this discussion to the early Avesta, that is Yasna, Yasht and Visperad.
Can we leave Vendidad alone for now?[/color] |
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Absolutely...tough to read that stuff. It also seemed to revere 'dogs' almost above humans...and cows too. Strange stuff.
I'll read some of the links you provided. Although I'm still skeptical of any religion that can be considered a 'root' of judaism and thus christianity and islam...just so we are clear.
>>> _________________ "Faith must have adequate evidence else it is mere superstition"...Alexander Hodge (1823-1886)
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