Why Russia’s response to Georgia was right

[shoeshiner]

"Last Friday, after the world’s leaders had arrived at the Beijing Olympics, Georgian troops launched an all-out assault on the region of South Ossetia, which has enjoyed de facto independence for more than 16 years. The majority of the region’s population are Russian citizens. Under the terms of the 1992 agreement to which Georgia is a party, they are afforded protection by a small number of Russian peacekeeping soldiers. The ground and air attack resulted in the killing of peacekeepers and the death of an estimated 1,600 civilians, creating a humanitarian disaster and leading to an exodus of 30,000 refugees. The Georgian regime refused to allow a humanitarian corridor to be established and bombarded a humanitarian convoy. There is also clear evidence of atrocities having been committed – so serious and systematic that they constitute acts of genocide."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7863e71a-689e-11dd-a4e5-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1

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[GUDPSN]

West Europeans will be asking themselves the question whether multiculturism is good for their future generations.

Ossetia was part of Georgia. It was settled by the Ossetians in the regions and the rulers allowed them to stay because they were good for economy. When Ossetians became majoirty, they wanted a separated country.

Don't worry in future, you are going to have a Southern muslim state in France, A Birminghamstan in UK and Muslim nation in Michigan! Good luck for the west. Look at Kosovo, a Serbian province settled by muslims and now an independant country!

My ancestors made the same stupid mistake, and in my own country I am a despised khaffir while muslims are the sons of soil! What an irony! Well, muslims call it the will of allah. and they say allah will always win. May be it is going to be true through population explosion.

[crazy canuck]

I support Russia for straightening out stateS like Georgia.

All those small ex-soviet republics at the margin now trying to make life difficult for Russia. They think that by going to NATO or aligning with US or Europe they can weaken Russia or gain some goodies and favor from economically rich western countries. They try to play Russia against NATO countries AND want to benifit or blackmail Russia.

I will call it Nepal syndrome.Though Nepal has 90% trade with India, Nepalese can cross India without passport, can settle in India, still it loves to create lots of problem for India by inviting Chinese, Porkies,. Bonghis to destabilse India. Reason? Jealousy or gain some leverage.Or suicidal mentality I guess!!

Russians you can crush Georgia, Crush Ukraine or crush all those small Islamic republice. Teach them lesson.No one is going to lift finger. Bush is too busy in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Bush has no leverage left. He played all cards in Iraq. He can nuke Russia if he wants.

C.C.

[homer]

I am somewhat amazed at the reaction of the NATO countries. Doesn’t Russia have the right to safe guard its borders?


There is a need for introspection on the part of Bush and the Europeans. What are they doing all over the world? Answer; protecting their interests and protecting their borders at a distance.


The Georgian PM [as I saw him on the CNN] came over as a very crafty person. He thought NATO would come to the rescue. If he had spent few minutes, he would have realised, that they are stuck in Afghanistan and Iraq and George is not so important.


These small states are like snakes.If not handled properly by the Russians it could destabilise them. They have tried by helping the Chechen against the Russians.

[Yohan]

Russia has certain defacto authority over the previous Soviet republics which have gotten freedom, if trouble brews. It had done so in a few already. The borders of these republics were drawn for administrative purposes within the Soviet Union, and not for as independent countries. So border conflicts could arise, and certain redrawing might be necessary.

West should butt out of these spats as the respective parties work out such conflicts, using certain force or otherwise. US should focus on its own wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and stop lecturing. US also needs to stop poking its nose in every corner of this planet.
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[Wodan82]

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[SecularDemocracy]

Russia doesn't give a f.ck about South Ossetia.They want to crush democracy.

Russia is the one that invaded Georgia.

I don't care if all people here support Russia.
I support Georgia a beacon of democracy.

[royalist cavalier]

SecularDemocracy


Whether Vladimir Putin or his Siloviki likes it or not Russia will become a true democracy over time because of the rising of the Middle Class. Whether their is a well of and educated middle class their is democracy. I believe that Russia is in transistion between democracy and Totalitariansm and has a long way to go before it become a true democracy. We must rember it took 144 years from 1776-1920 for America to become a true democracy. From 1776-1920 only white men and only later from 1865 Northern black men could vote, after 1920 women, southern blacks and indians could vote. Russia is more advanced in this reguard.


We must remember even though Dmitry Medvedev is beholden to Vladimir Putin and is in debt and it may seem now that he is a Puppet, their will come a time that Dmitry Medvedev frees himself from Vladimir Putin and assumes full powers. We must rember that Vladimir Putin was considered for a time Boris Yeltsin's Puppet and all the other people thought that he could never brake away from Boris Yeltsin and his Oligarchy, but he did. Dmitry Medvedev is the man to lead Russia to true democracy and freedom becasue he is a tough man and is a commited liberal and democrat. He was a foot soldier of democracy during the last years of the Soviet Union and he worked with one of the biggest names in Russian Democracy the late Mayor of St Petersburg Anatoly Sobchak.

"Freedom is better then no Freedom"

Dmitry Medvedev

DOHNT GIVE UP ON DMITRY MEDVEDEV, HE WILL FIND A WAY TO BREAK FREE OF VLADIMIR PUTIN AND INSTITUTE REAL DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM WITH IN RUSSIA, GIVE IT TIME.


We must rember that Dmitry Medvedev is the President of Russia, the most powerfull man in Russia and he once settled in the Presidency will asume more powers and when he and his allies are strong enough will shove Vladimir Putin and his Siloviki asside and asume the full rights of the Russian Presidency. A risng Middle Class being created by Putin will be the foundation of true democray in Russia. The Middle Class will rally around Mededev and drive the last remants of Communist tyranny aside forever. The Middle Class by 2020 will be 52% of the Russian Population and this block of people will institute real democratic reforms in Russia.
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[GUDPSN]

It is payback time. The west taunted the Russians in the 1990s by fragmenting the Slavic republic of Yugoslavia. To add insult to injury the west particularly insulted the slavic Serb nation by giving Kosovo, the Srbian pride to their enemies - the Albanian muslims.

The Rusians have not forgotten how thier President Yeltsin was insulted when he tried to stop the western arrogance in Balkans. Well, Yeltsin did one thing he could. He picked up Putin and made sure that he carried out what Yeltsin could not do.

The Russians waited for the right opportune time to teach the west a lesson. Georgians were fools to depend uopn the treacherous French and Germans in particular and the Americans in general. The Russians wanted to show the world the impotence of NATO to the whole world.

That is what you are seeing in Georgia. USA can't do a damn thing. Neither could West Europe. They depend upon Russian oil and gas for their energy. They have to choose either Arab oil or Russian oil and gas. The price for Arab oil is islamization of Europe. The price for Russian oil is to accept the Russian hegemony in East Europe. Take it or leave it.

USA will abandon all and will isolate itself. Obama will set the first stage of disengagement and the next president will totally isolate USA. They may even start the drilling of Artic and off shore areas. Welcome to sanity.

India and China have to agree to play thier cards. I think India will have to play second fiddle to China. There is no way India can stand upto China. Indians are so stupid that they can never forsee a porblem. Example between China and India:-

(i)China built a 4000 mile wall to secure its borders. They toiled to keep their nation from external threat and future anomaly in their population make up.

(ii) The stupid Indians could not even build a 40mile wall at Khybar pass to keep the invaders out. Can you imagine that a 40mile long wall and a series of walls would have kept the invaders out and the Indian idiots had no idea or imagination or will to do it?

That's why I forsee a China that will stamp its will on Asia and India will play the erand boy. Indians deserve it because they are so arrogant with their stupid philosophy about spirituality, caste and say what not. I have never seen an Indian who is Indian first and Indian last. It is always "Iam from thjis part of India or I am a Sikh or Tamil or Brahmin ot some stupid caste".

Moreover Indians boast of their diet! Stupid, who cares what you shove in your mouth or anus. What we want is a planned nationhood with ideals of social justicce and military prowess. China at least has the military prowess, though no social justice that is acceptable; India has nothing.

[homer]

[Anna Doe]

[ygalg]

[Anna Doe]

Hi Ygalg, on what are you founding your statement?

From what i know you are mistaken as staline was Georgian, sure he prefered as a bolshevik to be a Russian but I didn't heard claims of being Ossetan.

(It is his father who was an Ossetan and it seems Staline had a few reasons to not like him, that could explain things...):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Childhood_and_education.2C_1878.E2.80.931899

[ygalg]