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Ms Vivian
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 Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: ERROR in the Koran. Is it acceptable? |
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As we know that Koran contains (scientifically, historically) errors and contradictions. Many FFI members already put up their articles, threads or posts discussing ERRORS in the Koran but seems no Muslim really bother to find it out, instead they usually came up with their best effort to defend any accusations against their holy book.
What is it in their mind actually? Do they really fear of hell fire and Allah, so whatever comes from the kaffirs, it would be wrong and they have to be faithful no matter how illogical their faith is. If they find errors and contradictions, shouldn’t have they thought that the book was not from Allah but man-made? Why is it so hard to use their brain and easily just to accept anything illogical?
Question for the muslims here : Is it acceptable to have errors in the Koran? if you do not accept and consider Koran is still a holy book without mistake, what do you think about the people who show you the errors? are they making it up to make Islam looks bad? Ever think why would this people want Islam to look bad? Why is your enemy not only the Jews and the Christians but also from various backgrounds such Hindus, Buddha, Atheist etc? |
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chingachgook
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My favourite Koranic error is " Bees eat fruits, honey comes from the bellies of bees " as depicted in Piscohot's signature. 
Muslims use to brag about honey being nutritious food and that this was revealed in the KKKoran. They forgot even cave men and bears knew that long before Mr. PissBUH was even born.
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ygalg
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my favorite error 'jews say ezra son of allah'
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charleslemartel
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And mine:
"Quran is a clear and easy to understand book" 
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Fear is the most powerful emotional tool, it can turn off the areas of the brain responsible for rational thought.
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truthseeker2
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I have to admit that I do not have any fav's really but here are a few that I do think are wonderful to say the least.
Tabari I:258
Qur'an 15:26 "Allah created Adam from sticky clay, meaning viscous and sweet smelling slime, being stinking. It became stinking slime after having been compact soil."
Qur'an 80:17 "Be cursed man! He has self-destructed. From what stuff did He create him? From nutfa (male and female semen drops) He created him and set him in due proportion."
I had to put the last one in, as there is such a lot about sex & esp semen in the quran.
Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…
There are just so many to choose from. That is taking away from the thread though as Ms Vivian started it. I believe it states some where in the quran that a muslim is not to accept anything no matter what it is from a kafir. I believe it states that all that comes from our lips are lies, so no matter what we say or how we say it. Or even how much proof we show them & give them, even after all the proof we let them all have, all that comes from our lips are lies. If you can believe the mentality of that statement, but I believe that is what it states within the quran some where. So no matter how much science we have, how many facts we can show. We have to accept what our muslim masters tell us Coz that is what is in the quran & what old Mo said was the truth. So we have to wait on our muslim brainiacs to help us poor foolish kafirs out & to show us the truth & tell us how we can turn our heads away from this idiotic world education system that is leading us all away from alli & his wisdom, so bring on old Mo & his taliban. So we can rock the night away & finish the night off with ali & his coconuts, te he he. Sorry am I bad or what!!!!!!!!!! Naughty naughty me.
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manfred
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| Question for the muslims here : Is it acceptable to have errors in the Koran? |
Ok I am most definitely not a Muslim, but I think I know the answer to this one...
For a Muslim, the Quran is rather like "God's dictation". Essentially they are fundamentalists (in the sense we call a minority of Christians Fundamentalists, for example Jehova's Witnesses)
So,what does that mean? If the Quran is "God speaking" then God, being all knowing, should not make mistakes in it. Ok, Allah is also the "best deceiver (or plotter)", but as the Quran describes itself as a "sure guidance" the book itself claims infallability.
A god who want to guide and who is all-knowing cannot commit errors into his texts.
This is were we get the crunch: Because Muslims invariably take this stance, they are willing to go through the most ridiculous mental acrobatics to explain away what is quite obviously, to everybody else, the peculiarities of a 7th century text: it has the 7th century mentality, standard of knowledge, and clearly provable sources.
So, Muslims will argue the sky is lilac and cows have 5 legs, if necessary, in order to avoid to have to admit that there could be any perfectly understandable error in the quran. An error would mean that their premise that the quran is literally the word of God, is invalid. Without the quran, Mohammad is also no more than a 7 century war lord with a particularly nasty streak, and Islam is a fake and a tragedy.
SO, "bees eat fruit" or "jews say Ezra is the son of allah" invalidate the whole of Islam in one go, and that is why Muslims refuse to look at it objectively... |
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Ms Vivian
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| Any good links where muslims response for the errors in the koran I can read? |
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truthseeker2
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Ms Vivian
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Thanks for the links truthseeker2.
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| 95% of those Anti-Islamic claims are very silly. In my opinion, they are not even worth responding to. But unfortunately, they have to be responded to because the Muslims and the non-Muslims need to learn about what both sides have to say. |
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chingachgook
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Thanks for the links truthseeker2.
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| 95% of those Anti-Islamic claims are very silly. In my opinion, they are not even worth responding to. But unfortunately, they have to be responded to because the Muslims and the non-Muslims need to learn about what both sides have to say. |
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Just 1 (one) error, no matter how tiny winny invalidates the KKKoran head on. I wonder what those other 5% are. Does this mean 5% of the anti-islamic claims are valid? The errors therein described are valid?
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manfred
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| Any good links where muslims response for the errors in the koran I can read? |
Selamat sore dari Inggris,
well, as case study for this, as good as any is this:
ok,
Imagine for a minute a report saying "Prophet Mohammad's handphone found !!!! It has Gabriel's number still on it!!"
Well, that would get no more than a dry smile, and it would be dismissed as nonsense immediately, because we know that Mohammad certainly did not ever have any handphone (actually, we say "mobile phone" in the UK)
Now, we have a very similar situation in a most interesting topic (I give the link at the bottom, to make sure you read this bit first):
The Quran mentions a "Samaritan" as playing a significant part in the Israelites making a golden calf while Moses received the ten commandment.
This is like anachronistic, as we know for certain that Samaritans as a people were not known until at least 500 years after the death of Moses.
Imagine a story about Javanese prince Panji saying that he met with an American president. The same problem: Panji is essentially a legendary personification of Kamesvara,who lived more than 500 years before the first American president.
So the idea of the "samaritan" and Moses is a straight forward historical mistake. The bible does know about some Samaritans making a different golden calf 500 years later, and the Quran simply mixed up the two stories, making one out of them.
Now, armed with this short introduction, please browse through reletomps amazing contortions in this thread of hers
The really scary part is how an otherwise most likely rational person refuse to see something that really is quite obvious. Cassandra's patience has been nothing short of saintly in going over this again and again, from every possible angle...
Reletomp's steadfast refusal to even look at the obvious says a lot about the Muslim mindset... She simply could not allow herself to take in any argument; her self image and possibly much more besides depend on this.
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Ms Vivian
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Thanks for the links truthseeker2.
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| 95% of those Anti-Islamic claims are very silly. In my opinion, they are not even worth responding to. But unfortunately, they have to be responded to because the Muslims and the non-Muslims need to learn about what both sides have to say. |
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Just 1 (one) error, no matter how tiny winny invalidates the KKKoran head on. I wonder what those other 5% are. Does this mean 5% of the anti-islamic claims are valid? The errors therein described are valid? |
Good point Ching!
they say 95%. there are 5% that is right!!! WOW
I want to know who they are or what sites, we need to go there to check if the errors they show definitly valid! |
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Ms Vivian
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| Ms Vivian wrote: |
| Any good links where muslims response for the errors in the koran I can read? |
Selamat sore dari Inggris, |
Sore, Manfred... Where did you learn Indoneisan?
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well, as case study for this, as good as any is this:
ok,
Imagine for a minute a report saying "Prophet Mohammad's handphone found !!!! It has Gabriel's number still on it!!"
Well, that would get no more than a dry smile, and it would be dismissed as nonsense immediately, because we know that Mohammad certainly did not ever have any handphone (actually, we say "mobile phone" in the UK)
Now, we have a very similar situation in a most interesting topic (I give the link at the bottom, to make sure you read this bit first):
The Quran mentions a "Samaritan" as playing a significant part in the Israelites making a golden calf while Moses received the ten commandment.
This is like anachronistic, as we know for certain that Samaritans as a people were not known until at least 500 years after the death of Moses.
Imagine a story about Javanese prince Panji saying that he met with an American president. The same problem: Panji is essentially a legendary personification of Kamesvara,who lived more than 500 years before the first American president.
So the idea of the "samaritan" and Moses is a straight forward historical mistake. The bible does know about some Samaritans making a different golden calf 500 years later, and the Quran simply mixed up the two stories, making one out of them.
Now, armed with this short introduction, please browse through reletomps amazing contortions in this thread of hers
The really scary part is how an otherwise most likely rational person refuse to see something that really is quite obvious. Cassandra's patience has been nothing short of saintly in going over this again and again, from every possible angle...
Reletomp's steadfast refusal to even look at the obvious says a lot about the Muslim mindset... She simply could not allow herself to take in any argument; her self image and possibly much more besides depend on this.
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Quite right. Although this Samaritan story is totally awful in the koran, they are trying their best to debunk it. So average muslims who know nothing about bible will immediately believe what their fellow told them without bother to find it out first. this is why muslims are actually more stupid than you can think of. |
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truthseeker2
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Samir
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| How can an ignorant find error in book which he ignores. Can a Barber finds error in physics book ??? . If you think that you find an error in koran then the error is in you because you are ignorant about science of Tafsir and Arabic .The ignorant who says that bees eat fruits there is no usch thing in Arabic koran |
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