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Ali Sina
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 Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Abbass H. |
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Ali Sina: I think its appropriate that I call you that, if you dont mind. I need to remind you that "Ali," the name you bear with pride, is an Islamic name. You should therefore, since you are an open enemy to Islam, change your name. Otherwise, you are practicing first class hypocracy, in my book. |
Mr. Abbass. Abu Talib, who named his degenerate son "Ali," was not a Muslim. He never accepted Islam and this ungrateful nephew, who was raised in his house said, he would go go hell. Therefore, Ali is a Pagan name. So is Muhammad and all other names that you think are Islamic, existed prior to Islam. None of the things you call Islamic are brought by Muhammad. Is there any lesson on architecture, calligraphy, art, music, literature or poetry in the Quran? All these things existed prior to Islam. Our culture is ours. The only thing Islam brought is barbarity, war and hate. Islamic culture is oxymoron. Please open your eyes my fried. You have been cocooned in lies for tool long.
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| I say in my book, since you are the one who sets the rule in your challenge to disprove, the many accusations that you made against Prophet Muhammad (AS), on your website. See, I did not hide my religious identity. Unlike you, you should not bear an Islamic name, if you hate Islam this much. Please do not hide behind the claim that, oh, its an Arab name. No sir. You can't claim that since the Christians of Arabia, do not bear it, and I have not heard a Jew of Arabia bearing it either. |
The reason the Christians and Jews do not bear these names is because of the association. Just as no one like to call his son Adolph anymore, no non-Muslim likes to call his son Muhammad or Ali. However this name was given to me at birth. So it will stay.
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| But what really brought me to challenge you so that you need to truly proof your empty claims, which is easier for you to do behind a keyboard of the computer and your setting the standard of what is defeat or failure in argument with you, is your posting a documentary of two fully Hijabed women eating spagetti meals publicly at an outdoor bistro, somewhere in the street of Europe. I definitely know that those were not muslim women. Probably at worst they are men or at best women who are planted to make Islam look bad. Well it did not work. We in Islam know better. I think you forgot that we cultured the whole of Europe from Spain, the seat of knowledge and the civility for Europe for many centuries. |
Oh really? If Muslims cultured the whole Europe, then why they are such a backwards , uncivilized savages? And may I ask what culture did you bring to Europe? It is amazing how self delusional Muslims can be.
As for the picture of the women eating spaghetti from under neqab, it is least embarrassing one. What is truly embarrassing are those pictures of Muslim women carrying the placard haling Hitler, the ones taken in Ramala showing Muslims in an orgasmic state of euphoria showing off the entrails of a couple of Israelis who had made a wrong turn and had ended up among them, the one showing beheading of a woman in Afghanistan and the one showing stoning one in Iran, etc. There are many real embarrassing pictures that you should be worried about. That one is nothing.
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| But in the words of late Johnnie Cochran: If it does not fit, you must acquit. But in the proper Islam sense of Justice; the burden of proof is on the accuser. You have accused, but you have proven zero. Empty rederic does not wash in proper human settings. The fact is that you claim that what you have said is correct, without any fallacy. Well without even going too far, I can see that you overlooked many things and see the fault in your thinking. |
Johnnie Cochran is burning in hell for his shameless defense of a criminal. He and his criminal client would have made good Muslims. I am sure in hell he must have had the chance to visit Muhammad who resides in its lowest pit.
I have proven all my charges. All you have to do is click on the links and read. More you can read in my book. Now, if you have found my faults, all you have to do is write them and post them here and win your prize. However, I do encourage you to go further and read a bit more. You do not want to embarrass yourself with lack of knowledge. Please remember that I am doing this for ten years and have a lot of experience answering Muslims. So you may want to read first my previous debates before.
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| To truly be sure that you are a man of your word, that you will give the 50,000 USD to anyone who can meet your challenge, you will have to do several things: one of them is to have an independent referee and custodian/escrow agent or trustee who will have the money and not you. The reason is that i do not trust you. This is in case that a person meets and exceeds your challenge, you will have to be true to form to give the reward. Now, I just use the protocol of Islamic justice to educate you where I am sure you are deficient, in your playing judge and jury on your forum. |
We are too familiar with the protocol of "Islamic Justice." Ask the minorities in Islamic countries and they will tell you all about it. Recently dozens of Coptic Christians were mauled to death by their Muslim neighbors. That is Islamic justice. Keep that to yourself.
As for not trusting me with the money, please be advised that the money is safe in my pocket and it is where it is going to stay. There is no way anyone can disprove my charges or prove Islam is a religion of God. This is like asking prove 2+2=5. Sine you can't do such thing, unless you resort to some logical fallacies, likewise no one is able to disprove my charges.
If you think you can, go ahead and give it a try. Let us say I am bluffing and there is not money. Isn't it a victory to catch my bluff and expose me as a fraud? Won't you do anything for your faith if there is no financial gain? These are excuses my friend. You and I can't fool each other. We know each other very well, don't we?
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But when you invite people and throw down such a big gauntlet, you just have to walk the walk and talk the talk, Mr. Sina. One have to be honest if there is a true intent to proof a point. All a muslim has to do is to prove that any of your accusation is not 100%. Your empire is finished. No one have to spend that much time trying to demolish you to the ground. A removal of a brick in your house of salt is enough.
I await your response.
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Actually you are mistaken. I did not claim to be a prophet of God and as a human I am allowed to be fallible. It is your prophet who said his book is the verbatim words of God. I can be wrong in many things and still truthful and right in many other things. However, since Muhammad put himself in such a high pedestal, only one error in the Quran exposes him as a fraud. I do not live in a glass house. Muslims do. That is why they are so paranoid about criticism. On the other hand this forum is open for any one who wants to criticize me. Who gives a damn if I am right or wrong? But one error in the Quran disqualifies it and we have found hundreds.
Despite all that, I am so sure that all my charges against Muhammad are irrefutable that I offer $50 k to anyone who can debunk them. The challenge is seven years old. No one has proven any of them wrong. If you think someone has, let us know and tell us how.
Please only respond in this forum. Let other friends particularly ex-Muslims take part in this debate. You don't want to deprive them from the truth, do you?
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Ms Vivian
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| I definitely know that those were not muslim women. Probably at worst they are men or at best women who are planted to make Islam look bad. Well it did not work. We in Islam know better. |
Islam is bad already, Abbas. When will you realise that?. Your fellows on the other side of the world i.e like where I live, are now busy forbidding the Christians to build their worship houses.
Boy you are all just such a crap in this world. |
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| I think you forgot that we cultured the whole of Europe from Spain, the seat of knowledge and the civility for Europe for many centuries. |
Plundered, killed, murdered, looted, raped, copied, inherited, enslaved maybe but not cultured, never. I don't think civilised culture wanted to go backward. Please tell us what culture did you cultured Europe with? 
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| Now, I just use the protocol of Islamic justice to educate you where I am sure you are deficient, in your playing judge and jury on your forum. |
Islamic justice!!! The justice of "us good, them baaaad"
The protocols of Islamic justice  Even among muslims and in muslim countries the application of those "protocols of Islamic justice" are rejected.
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Abbass H
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[quote] The reason the Christians and Jews do not bear these names is because of the association. Just as no one likes to call his son Adolph anymore, no non-Muslim likes to call his son Muhammad or Ali. However this name was given to me at birth. So it will stay. [/quote]
Many people still bear Adolph. But it is Hitler that you can talk about. And that is Germanic prohibition on themselves, since it is a germanic name.
[quote]Oh really? If Muslims cultured the whole Europe, then why they are such a backwards , uncivilized savages? And may I ask what culture did you bring to Europe? It is amazing how self delusional Muslims can be.[/quote]
Education: Are you not familiar with the Universities in Cordoba, Andulisia, etc? Are you now forgtting the garden that with flow of water, one could tell the time of the day? And are you forgetting that the Europeans didn't used to clean up, until Islamic Arabs brought claeningness to them? The etiquette of table manners were introduced to Europe by the Muslims. One may ask Egypt why are they backward now, since they used to be firt class citizens of the world under pharaohnic reign. What a person or group backward is usually deviation from what used to make them good. Most muslims, and indeed the arabs by and large have deviated from the Islamic inductions of goodliness.
[quote] As for the picture of the women eating spaghetti from under neqab, it is least embarrassing one. What is truly embarrassing are those pictures of Muslim women carrying the placard haling Hitler, the ones taken in Ramala showing Muslims in an orgasmic state of euphoria showing off the entrails of a couple of Israelis who had made a wrong turn and had ended up among them, the one showing beheading of a woman in Afghanistan and the one showing stoning one in Iran, etc. There are many real embarrassing pictures that you should be worried about. That one is nothing.[/quote]
I am not the least embarrased. Why, because I can see through the veil of deceit that the documemtary presented. Those two persons, were not muslim women. But you should be ashamed that the Arab women were being portrayed like that. Since you have claimed that you are an arab, hence women in your bloodline are being viewed under the same prizm. Could it by that you are a selfhater without knowing it? This is just a thought and I think it is something you must look into.
[quote]Johnnie Cochran is burning in hell for his shameless defense of a criminal. He and his criminal client would have made good Muslims. I am sure in hell he must have had the chance to visit Muhammad who resides in its lowest pit.[/quote]
But if you are a Christian or Jew, should you not know that it is not right for you to condemn any soul, as you did with Johnnie Cochran. But interestingly, the US Constitution even allows an accuse to have his day in court. It is this very point that allowed the defense of OJ Simpson, from after his being prosecuted to be able to walk free. You see if the law of USA is perfect, then your complaint about OJ and Johnnie amounts to just your being overzealot, emotional or unless you are practicing hypocracy. I off course that I see your open hatred towards Muhammad bin Abdallah (AS).
But interestingly, the majority of the Arabs believe that he is the best that came from them. What you have done therefore is condemning the majority of your kinsmen to Hell, if you did condemn him in it. But aren't you an Atheist or agnostic? Where does Hell feature in your belief? You see why I am looking at you as a hypocritical person?
[quote]I have proven all my charges. All you have to do is click on the links and read. More you can read in my book. Now, if you have found my faults, all you have to do is write them and post them here and win your prize. However, I do encourage you to go further and read a bit more. You do not want to embarrass yourself with lack of knowledge. Please remember that I am doing this for ten years and have a lot of experience answering Muslims. So you may want to read first my previous debates before.[/quote]
Narcissist quality, you have just exhibited! I will in time approach your masterpiece and InshaAllah, demolish it. And when the truth finally are listed against your fallacy, I hope you will be honest enough to admit it.
[quote]We are too familiar with the protocol of "Islamic Justice." Ask the minorities in Islamic countries and they will tell you all about it. Recently dozens of Coptic Christians were mauled to death by their Muslim neighbors. That is Islamic justice. Keep that to yourself.[/quote]
They did not kill them because they were nonmuslims. This is based on the instinctive bad manners of the Arabs coming to surface, sometimes in extreme cases. People when in defense mode of life and death, from their own understanding, sometimes become irrational. Loosing all senses of reasonability. This is why they do evil to each other. Remember that Madina, under Muhammad (as), had people who were not muslims. Yet they were protected like if they were muslims, against enemies within and without. That was a condition of all for One, and one for all.
[quote]As for not trusting me with the money, please be advised that the money is safe in my pocket and it is where it is going to stay. There is no way anyone can disprove my charges or prove Islam is a religion of God. This is like asking prove 2+2=5. Sine you can't do such thing, unless you resort to some logical fallacies, likewise no one is able to disprove my charges.[/quote]
But you have not heard about the christian's 3=1?
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quote]If you think you can, go ahead and give it a try. Let us say I am bluffing and there is not money. Isn't it a victory to catch my bluff and expose me as a fraud? Won't you do anything for your faith if there is no financial gain? These are excuses my friend. You and I can't fool each other. We know each other very well, don't we? [/quote]
There is no problem with that. I will soon expose your half ahadith passing for the full thing.
[quote]Actually you are mistaken. I did not claim to be a prophet of God and as a human I am allowed to be fallible. It is your prophet who said his book is the verbatim words of God. I can be wrong in many things and still truthful and right in many other things. However, since Muhammad put himself in such a high pedestal, only one error in the Quran exposes him as a fraud. I do not live in a glass house. Muslims do. That is why they are so paranoid about criticism. On the other hand this forum is open for any one who wants to criticize me. Who gives a damn if I am right or wrong? But one error in the Quran disqualifies it and we have found hundreds.[/quote]
Prophet Muhammad (as) was also a human being. Read the last verse of Surah Kahf. But all prophets were Humans. Moses, Father Ibrahim, Nuh, Jesus (AS Jamia) to name few. All of them have human qualities. Allah says in Surah Al Imran that one should look at Isa and his mother, how they ate like humans. But in essense, you have not proven anything wrong about the Qur'an.
I read your complaint about Human embrayo. I just chuckled because you had assumed that knowledge about this descipline is complete. No sir. It is not. Today there is a proposition that shows that some evidence of DNA/ human genetics is from heaven. A proposition that is still in rudimental stages with humans. Yet AlQur'an declared, in Surah baqarah that Adam and his wife Hawa, were created in heavens.
[quote]Despite all that, I am so sure that all my charges against Muhammad are irrefutable that I offer $50 k to anyone who can debunk them. The challenge is seven years old. No one has proven any of them wrong. If you think someone has, let us know and tell us how.[/quote]
I will now read your document of charges and respond to them. All I have to do is to put a dent in one of them. Rather, if Allah wills He will give me wisdom to debunk everyone of them. Then we will see what happens to your hypothesis?
[quote]Please only respond in this forum. Let other friends particularly ex-Muslims take part in this debate. You don't want to deprive them from the truth, do you?[/quote]
Exmuslim? Is that a new thing? We know that people leave the religion. But every person that left, many more came to it. Look at the USA and Europe; White, black and other colors of people come into this noble religion. It actually speaks to Surah Nasr. You must be familiar with this Surah? Read it and hear the prediction of Almighty Allah about the multitude of people coming in into the religion. This is being witnessed today. Just imagine what has happened since 911. If this religion was not real, that single event would have killed it. Look at the might of the USA? Even her people are coming in into it as when the thirsty person hurrys to drink cold water. My next response will be to approach your listed fallacies that you shroud up as true accusations. |
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Zid Aveew
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Education: Are you not familiar with the Universities in Cordoba, Andulisia, etc? Are you now forgtting the garden that with flow of water, one could tell the time of the day? And are you forgetting that the Europeans didn't used to clean up, until Islamic Arabs brought claeningness to them? The etiquette of table manners were introduced to Europe by the Muslims. One may ask Egypt why are they backward now, since they used to be firt class citizens of the world under pharaohnic reign. What a person or group backward is usually deviation from what used to make them good. Most muslims, and indeed the arabs by and large have deviated from the Islamic inductions of goodliness. |
To be frank with you, Abbas H, I never been to Spain so don't know much of Kordova university. So, will you please tell us more?
And no. We are not forgetting how Muhammad used to clean his arse. He used odd number of stones, sometimes three or less than it after defecating. Sahih Bukhari testifies it. Or did you forget it?
Not one, but many ask why Egypt, once the cradle of civilizations stuck and left in abject backwardness.., What could be the reason Muslim? Nothing but your Islam destroyed all that Egypt had and turned them into a mush. It is too saddening for a history student like me to witness Egypt's collapse. How easily your swordys could turn the history to leave nothing but rubbles..!
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| I am not the least embarrased. Why, because I can see through the veil of deceit that the documemtary presented. Those two persons, were not muslim women. |
Embarrassed? Not at all. I could never get embarrassed after seeing those penurious state of Muslimas in Middle East and other Muslim nations. I have seen them walking as a tent in scourging heat, under cruel sun. If they chose to be stubborn inside those tents why for heaven's sake I should get embarrassed? I am in line with you here.
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| But you should be ashamed that the Arab women were being portrayed like that. Since you have claimed that you are an arab, hence women in your bloodline are being viewed under the same prizm. Could it by that you are a selfhater without knowing it? This is just a thought and I think it is something you must look into. |
Since I am not an Arab, I think you would exempt me from this liability. I don't want to get ashamed of the fact Arab women are showing their masochistic tendencies by choosing to live a life that doesn't worth living..!
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| But if you are a Christian or Jew, should you not know that it is not right for you to condemn any soul, as you did with Johnnie Cochran. But interestingly, the US Constitution even allows an accuse to have his day in court. It is this very point that allowed the defense of OJ Simpson, from after his being prosecuted to be able to walk free. You see if the law of USA is perfect, then your complaint about OJ and Johnnie amounts to just your being overzealot, emotional or unless you are practicing hypocracy. I off course that I see your open hatred towards Muhammad bin Abdallah (AS). |
Nay. I am neither Christian nor Jew. So..?
None of us believe U.S constitution or any constitution over this planet is flawless. We are on way to perfect our systems. But this luxury is not available to Muslims as everything regarding to them is stuck in the backdrop of history or to be specific seventh century. What is better? Just use your common sense man... to let a criminal loose just because the victim's family has been coerced to forgive the criminal? (I am talking about your Sharia laws where a criminal can escape freely just because victim's family forgave the criminal)
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| Prophet Muhammad (as) was also a human being. Read the last verse of Surah Kahf. But all prophets were Humans. Moses, Father Ibrahim, Nuh, Jesus (AS Jamia) to name few. All of them have human qualities. Allah says in Surah Al Imran that one should look at Isa and his mother, how they ate like humans. But in essense, you have not proven anything wrong about the Qur'an. |
Hmm. I read Surah Kahf entirely and last verse? Ooh.. "Qul innama ana basharun mithlakum yooha ilayya" (Say, I am a man like you but I am getting revelation!) See Muslim.. your god urges Muhammad to say he is a normal human being, but adds he is getting revelation. How many normal persons getting revelation from god..? I haven't seen one in my life. Have you?
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| I read your complaint about Human embrayo. I just chuckled because you had assumed that knowledge about this descipline is complete. No sir. It is not. Today there is a proposition that shows that some evidence of DNA/ human genetics is from heaven. A proposition that is still in rudimental stages with humans. Yet AlQur'an declared, in Surah baqarah that Adam and his wife Hawa, were created in heavens. |
DNA from heaven? Gee.. what are you smoking?
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| I will now read your document of charges and respond to them. All I have to do is to put a dent in one of them. Rather, if Allah wills He will give me wisdom to debunk everyone of them. Then we will see what happens to your hypothesis? |
How long it would take for your Allah to bless you with the wisdom to refute Ali Sina comprehensively? You haven't done anything in this post. And how long you will keep us waiting? Can we hope your Allah will act a little more quickly? He acted instantly for Muhammad when Muhammad was in need. I remember how fast Gabriel conveyed the message to Muhammad that latter can marry his son-in-law's wife..!
Finally, I have omitted a good part of your post just because they were not worthy of commenting. This is by no means to pacify you that what I answered is creditable. No Muslim, I just added my two cents because you are driven by emotions. I am not at all surprised, because without getting emotional, you can't have any dialog about your cult called Islam. It is a tool for drawing attention, but sadly the whole world have grown up to withstand it.
So.. no more emotive games.. proffer what you want to in a straight forward manner, and stop being goddamn oversensitive.
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Nicolei
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| But you have not heard about the christian's 3=1? |
If it is possible to use mathematical numbers or symbols to denote God, then God by definition being infinite should be denoted by infinity rather than by finite numbers.
In that case it would be infinity + infinity + infinity. Any mathematician worth his or her salt would know that the sum of three infinities will be equal to just one infinity and not three infinities.
Trinity - in essence one God in (NOT of) three persons,viz God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
Length, breadth/width and height are different in personalities but in essence the same. All these three "personalities" are needed for one to fully grasp three dimensional space.
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| Allah says in Surah Al Imran that one should look at Isa and his mother, how they ate like humans. But in essense, you have not proven anything wrong about the Qur'an. |
Allah was wrong to say that the Jews called Uzair (Ezra) to be the son of God.
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YUSUFALI: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
PICKTHAL: And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
SHAKIR: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! |
In any case it is evident from the Koran, hadiths and the Bible that the Allah of the Koran cannot be the same god as the God of the Bible. Since both of them claimed to be the God of Abraham and the prophets, one of them has to be a fake/false God.
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| As for not trusting me with the money, please be advised that the money is safe in my pocket and it is where it is going to stay. There is no way anyone can disprove my charges or prove Islam is a religion of God. This is like asking prove 2+2=5. Sine you can't do such thing, unless you resort to some logical fallacies, likewise no one is able to disprove my charges. |
But you have not heard about the christian's 3=1? |
Tuquoque ! ! !
Ali is not a Christian, and neither is this site. So what relevance does your rebuttal (3=1) to his logic of 2+2=5 have to do with anything?
Are you forgetting that you actually believe that this comedy of errors is a divine dictation, why then use mere 'corrupted' human works as a comparision ?
We have seen many Muslims come and go with the same swan song of 'inshalla' demolishing this site, but yet it stands strong and grows in number of members and apostates. Let us see what you can accomplish.
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Ms Vivian
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| Rather, if Allah wills He will give me wisdom to debunk everyone of them. Then we will see what happens to your hypothesis? |
When will this happen Abbas?
Cant wait to hear it! |
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Ali Sina
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Hi Abbass.
Welcome to the forum. I am glad you joined us. I hope you will feel at home here and stay.
We both agreed that Abbass is probably older but certainly wiser than me. So I sent him my book and he promised to read it and show me my errors. We also agreed that if he can prove me wrong, I will revert, but if he can't he will leave Islam.
He offered to be the judge, who will decide who won the debate, which of course I did not accept.
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Ms Vivian
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Hi Abbass.
Welcome to the forum. I am glad you joined us. I hope you will feel at home here and stay.
We both agreed that Abbass is probably older but certainly wiser than me. So I sent him my book and he promised to read it and show me my errors. |
Abbass gets it for free? is it with your autograph on it? ...gee...
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btw, did he say HOW will he show us your errors? through this forum?
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Debate between you and Abbass? or? |
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Well let us read a bit of that Abbas response to Ali Sina in a proper format
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| Ali SIna: The reason the Christians and Jews do not bear these names is because of the association. Just as no one likes to call his son Adolph anymore, no non-Muslim likes to call his son Muhammad or Ali. However this name was given to me at birth. So it will stay. |
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Greetings dear Abbas, I am not certain that you followed the logic of that response from Ali SIna., The point was what is their name? And many people crossed their cultures and backgrounds and changed their original ancestral the Arabian Pagan names after Islam Spread in to different regions/cultures of this little planet by hook or crook
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| Abbas says: Education: Are you not familiar with the Universities in Cordoba, Andulisia, etc? Are you now forgtting the garden that with flow of water, one could tell the time of the day? And are you forgetting that the Europeans didn't used to clean up, until Islamic Arabs brought claeningness to them? The etiquette of table manners were introduced to Europe by the Muslims. One may ask Egypt why are they backward now, since they used to be firt class citizens of the world under pharaohnic reign. What a person or group backward is usually deviation from what used to make them good. . Most muslims, and indeed the arabs by and large have deviated from the Islamic inductions of goodliness. |
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dear Abbas, without links and proof, plain words of yours have NO value. If you carefully look in to that SO-called Golden period of Islam, It is NOT DUE TO Muhammad's Islam but it is IN SPITE of of Islam and Islamic rules Muhammad's Q'uran/Hadith and what not. Tell me about those highlighted words of yours dear Abbas., What do you mean by " Most muslims, and indeed the arabs by and large have deviated from the Islamic inductions of goodliness"??.. What is Goodliness? you mean Godliness? You mean to say majority of 1.2 billion Muslims are NOT following Muhammad's Islam? You seem to have a point there, but what %of Muslims are FOLLOWING REAL ORIGINAL ISLAM dear ABBAS? and tell me where can I READ about REAL ISLAM?
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| Ali Sina: As for the picture of the eating spaghetti from under neqab, it is least embarrassing one. What is truly embarrassing are those pictures of Muslim women carrying the placard haling Hitler, the ones taken in Ramala showing Muslims in an orgasmic state of euphoria showing off the entrails of a couple of Israelis who had made a wrong turn and had ended up among them, the one showing beheading of a woman in Afghanistan and the one showing stoning one in Iran, etc. There are many real embarrassing pictures that you should be worried about. That one is nothing. |
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| I am not the least embarrased. Why, because I can see through the veil of deceit that the documemtary presented. Those two persons, were not muslim women. But you should be ashamed that the Arab women were being portrayed like that. Since you have claimed that you are an arab, hence women in your bloodline are being viewed under the same prizm. Could it by that you are a selfhater without knowing it? This is just a thought and I think it is something you must look into. |
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Abbas by saying those words, you are saying you are NOT A MUSLIM of from Arabian peninsula background..
Let me put out some pictures and tube women folk that follow Strict Islam of Mr. Muhammad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSIDAVpC1qA
That is Child abuse dear Abbas..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXm5ttFC_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtkK1-xAbyA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uMtwMJmyn0
Real Muslim Women In Paksitan (2007)
Real Muslim Women In Afghanisthan (2007)
Young woman in Iran getting beaten and arrested by the Burkha Police for NOT wearing proper Burkha dress code in Iran(2007)
Burkha in Holland..
And you can get such REAL Muslim women walking in those Burkhas in every country wherever you see the presence of REAL ISLAM.
So don't say that they ARE NOT MUSLIM WOMEN dear Abbas..
with best regards
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Samir
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Nicolei" wrote : If it is possible to use mathematical numbers or symbols to denote God, then God by definition being infinite should be denoted by infinity rather than by finite numbers.
In that case it would be infinity + infinity + infinity. Any mathematician worth his or her salt would know that the sum of three infinities will be equal to just one infinity and not three infinities.
Trinity - in essence one God in (NOT of) three persons,viz God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
Length, breadth/width and height are different in personalities but in essence the same. All these three "personalities" are needed for one to fully grasp three dimensional space. |
Is Jesus in Bible who used one to refer to God , he did not use infinity
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=God+is+one+&restrict=New+Testament&size=First+100 |
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Ms Vivian
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| God, according to Christianity teaching is one. Father Son and Holy Spirit is one. Not 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 but 1 = 1 = 1 |
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katlike
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abbass h. :
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| one of them is to have an independent referee and custodian/escrow agent or trustee who will have the money and not you. The reason is that i do not trust you. This is in case that a person meets and exceeds your challenge, you will have to be true to form to give the reward. Now, I just use the protocol of Islamic justice to educate you where I am sure you are deficient, in your playing judge and jury on your forum. |
Are you referring to the protocol of the challenge set in the koran 2:23?
Peace, Love and Health,
Katlike
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peacebewithyou
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who is abbass? I tried to google and not so sure about him. Any one here care to introduce me abbass work? Is he an islamic scholar?
Abbass: Can you please "uncheck" BBCode before submitting? Thanks
Looking forward for your posts.
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