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Ali Sina
Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 4607
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: God has nothing to do with Islam. |
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my name is usman ,a muslim,am in abuja,nigeria..i just discover your site and cant believe such site is existing..i have some simple question for all people involve in making this site.1...if you say there is no GOD that control the world,if you believe that man exist due to nature,pls i have this question i want you to ask yourself..
there is death,you have father,grandfather or relatives that die of recent,you as independant people wunt you stop them from dieing or you dont love them,if you if think there is no GOD controling things like that,then pls control it now.pls stop yourself from falling sick,growing old or you dont want to be strong...
pls post this question on ur site and the reply to it pls
thanks
note ....the question is posed to ali sina and member of faithfreedom team
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Hello Usman,
Whether God exists or not is a different matter that does not concern us in FFI. Some of us believe in God and some don’t. We are not interested to prove the existence of non-existence of God. This site’s goal is to show that Muhammad was a liar and Islam is evil and dangerous. We want to help Muslims leave Islam. If they like to believe in God or not it is up to them. A lot of Muslims who leave Islam convert to other religions and others simply continue believing in God even though they do not embrace other faiths.
Also, the fact that we are not in control of our death is not proof of the existence of God. There are other more valid arguments that can be made to support the belief in God, but this argument is a non-sequitur. This is like I tell you, isn’t it true that if you drop yourself from the second floor you get hurt? If that is true then you must accept that I am a physicist. People die because everything decays. Death is a natural process. It does not prove that God exists or not. Actually there are scientists who think it is possible to stop the aging process at the cellular level and overcome death. Therefore death is very much a scientific matter an not a theological one.
Assuming God exists, how can the existence of God prove that Muhammad was his prophet? We know that if God exists he cannot be unjust, ruthless and evil and yet we see that Muhammad and is Allah are unjust, ruthless and evil. So it is clear that Muhammad is not from God.
Please join the forum and take part in the debates. Please do not use your full name when you join. _________________ Don't be a follower, but a prophet unto your own. |
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ixolite

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Posts: 12939 Location: land of pork and beer
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| there is death,you have father,grandfather or relatives that die of recent,you as independant people wunt you stop them from dieing or you dont love them,if you if think there is no GOD controling things like that,then pls control it now.pls stop yourself from falling sick,growing old or you dont want to be strong... |
Did you ever hear of (modern) medicine?  _________________ </islam>
"Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience." - Goldthwait H. Dorr |
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FreePower

Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 564
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It is a weak argument, however It leads me to think Islam is the only religion that man has ever heard about. As Ali Sina has commented, whether God exists is not the issue, but would a loving God send Mohamed and Islam with all its violence as his message. _________________ The Meeting House - What convinced me - www.themeetinghouse.ca - Irreligious Christians
“The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about” |
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truth seeker

Joined: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 1386 Location: NYC, USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| It is a weak argument, however It leads me to think Islam is the only religion that man has ever heard about. |
That's the case for most Muslims. It is not their fault though. The Islamic countries they live literally brainwash them into Islam and present no other alternative views/religions to them. This is why to many Muslims, leaving Islam seems to imply leaving religion altogether. _________________ "Fools call us hate mongers. They will be ashamed of themselves when we hoist the standard of victory in every land and victory is around the corner."
- Ali Sina
Moe Akbar! |
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peacebewithyou

Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 1646 Location: India and USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| my name is usman ,a muslim,am in abuja,nigeria |
I am so thrilled that FFI site is in nigeria too. Also people are reading there.  _________________ Islam is the root cause of all evil not money. |
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careperson

Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 1498
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God has nothing to do with any religion! _________________ I Care |
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Don1

Joined: 07 Feb 2008 Posts: 412
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Usman and the best of this life to you in all good things.
As to the question of a god, what kind of god would say this:
Koran
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
This is a god of love? Not hardly. This is a god of peace? In NO way. Is this a god at all? Not even possible. Is this a god of mercy? NOT even close. Is this kindness? NO, NOT even in a million years. The Koran was written by a perverted man kill, and has nothing to do with a god of any kind.
Since when does, “slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush..” have anything to do with a loving god.
Who are the idolaters? In Islam, the idolaters are people that believe this:
1. Matthew 5:43
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
2. Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
These words are by the Christian god, sending a message of peace, that men should not kill each other but rather love each other. No such words are found in the Koran, there is NO peace in Islam, only the killings of all who do not believe in the most hateful book ever written---- the Koran.
For fact, you do not have to believe in a god to stand for good things to humanity, but you certainly have to choose right from wrong. The Koran, Islam, are horribly wrong, make no mistake about it. It is never right to “lie in wait for them in every ambush” and KILL people where ever you find them as the Koran says to do.
So I hope you find your way OUT of Islam, I hope leave that horrible book the Koran, and I hope you find some peace on this earth.
I am not here to preach a god as I am an Atheist, but being a non-believer in a god does not change the definition of love and peace to humanity, and good things to live by.
Your Koran, Usman, your Islam religion, gives YOU a direct order to kill me, and I am NOT going to stand for it. YOU have two choices---YOU leave off your Koran of hate, YOU retract your death warrant on my life—or we fight like dogs, and I do not loose. The choice is YOURS not mine, your Koran is the aggressor NOT I.
I make No threat to you. I say live in peace as you would, do good to others at all times, and never hate your fellow human. IT is YOUR Koran, it is YOUR Islamic religion, that says I must die for NO reason. YOU, Usman, need to find a better god than in the Koran. YOU need to find a better man to follow than the murdering Mohammad.
I think you should stop your hate, stop believing in a murdering Koran god, and throw away the Koran as peaceful people have NO need of a killing god as in Islam.
I wish you well Usman, I hope you can come back to sanity. Perhaps you need to hug a child, and play with giggling children to put some love in your life. But what ever you do, DO NOT be coming to my village with a hateful book as the Koran. I do not think it would be a wise thing for you do. You can come to my people in peace, but NEVER come to my people following the horrid, NASTY, man killer as Mohammad.
Now you have a good day, and choose what is right, and stay away from what is wrong.
Don |
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Raihan

Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Posts: 125
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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The word ‘god’ cannot be found anywhere in any religious scripture in the world in its original language. Therefore, Ali Sinner rightly said that ‘god’ has nothing to do with Islam. Thank you for admitting the truth, Ali Sinner!
Muslims usually do not use the word ‘god’. Because one can play mischief with this word. For example, if you flip the letters of ‘god’, it becomes ‘dog’! It can also be plural, masculine gender, feminine gender, etc. |
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Raihan

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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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repetition because of network problem.
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Raihan

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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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repetition. sorry!
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Raihan

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repetition
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FreePower

Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 564
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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The word ‘god’ cannot be found anywhere in any religious scripture in the world in its original language. Therefore, Ali Sinner rightly said that ‘god’ has nothing to do with Islam. Thank you for admitting the truth, Ali Sinner!
Muslims usually do not use the word ‘god’. Because one can play mischief with this word. For example, if you flip the letters of ‘god’, it becomes ‘dog’! It can also be plural, masculine gender, feminine gender, etc. |
Ignorance at its best. _________________ The Meeting House - What convinced me - www.themeetinghouse.ca - Irreligious Christians
“The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about” |
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Raihan

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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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The word ‘god’ cannot be found anywhere in any religious scripture in the world in its original language. Therefore, Ali Sinner rightly said that ‘god’ has nothing to do with Islam. Thank you for admitting the truth, Ali Sinner!
Muslims usually do not use the word ‘god’. Because one can play mischief with this word. For example, if you flip the letters of ‘god’, it becomes ‘dog’! It can also be plural, masculine gender, feminine gender, etc. |
Ignorance at its best. |
You probably worship a dog, mistakenly.  |
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FreePower

Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 564
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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The word ‘god’ cannot be found anywhere in any religious scripture in the world in its original language. Therefore, Ali Sinner rightly said that ‘god’ has nothing to do with Islam. Thank you for admitting the truth, Ali Sinner!
Muslims usually do not use the word ‘god’. Because one can play mischief with this word. For example, if you flip the letters of ‘god’, it becomes ‘dog’! It can also be plural, masculine gender, feminine gender, etc. |
Ignorance at its best. |
You probably worship a dog, mistakenly.  |
No, I don't consider myself a follower of Mohammed. _________________ The Meeting House - What convinced me - www.themeetinghouse.ca - Irreligious Christians
“The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about” |
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Raihan

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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| FreePower wrote: |
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The word ‘god’ cannot be found anywhere in any religious scripture in the world in its original language. Therefore, Ali Sinner rightly said that ‘god’ has nothing to do with Islam. Thank you for admitting the truth, Ali Sinner!
Muslims usually do not use the word ‘god’. Because one can play mischief with this word. For example, if you flip the letters of ‘god’, it becomes ‘dog’! It can also be plural, masculine gender, feminine gender, etc. |
Ignorance at its best. |
You probably worship a dog, mistakenly.  |
No, I don't consider myself a follower of Mohammed. |
You supported my point that you worship a dog. Thank you. What's the name of your dog, btw? Don't be shy, boy.  |
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