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Final Fantasy
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 Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject: ¿ G O D ? |
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1a. If God exists, why make us? Why make anything, what is his goal, what does he hope to achieve (can God even hope)?
1b. Why He? Why not Goddess (She)? Or why not simply just a force or power?
1c. Does God have emotions? Does he feel?
The one that confuses me the most:
2a. What triggered the Big Bang? Was it God? Or if, assuming there is no God then what triggered the Big Bang? How can the Big Bang come about from nothingness? Or was there something before the Big Bang?
2b. Assuming God exists, what was he doing before the Big Bang or before he created the universes? And before that, and before that, and before that...when does it begin?? Where does it begin from?? It's hard to imagine something without a beginning. Where does God come from?? Or if it just comes from human minds then where does anything come from? Where does it all start from and how?
Probably some of the questions people may have when freed from religion. I know I'm asking a lot sorry, I want to know. Related links would be helpful.
Note: If these questions have already been asked then my apologies. Link to the threads if possible.
Thanks.
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In defense of Faith
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Location: Worship the CREATOR, not His creations!
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someone has been spending too much time reading dawklings. hahah hah
if god didnt exist then who created you? think about it. |
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In defense of Faith
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Location: Worship the CREATOR, not His creations!
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it is not for us to ask these questions and it is not for god to answer them. what makes you think god almighty owes it to you to explain the way things are?
it takes an extremely foolish atheist to even ask these questions for which only god has the answers to. |
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Flippingj
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it is not for us to ask these questions and it is not for god to answer them. what makes you think god almighty owes it to you to explain the way things are?
it takes an extremely foolish atheist to even ask these questions for which only god has the answers to. |
Did God give you the ability to think?
Did God give you the ability to speak?
Did God give you the ability to reason?
If God didn't want you to ask questions then why did He/She/It give you the ability to think,speak and reason?
It takes an extremely arrogant fool to talk down to someone because their views differ from yours. The question's that were asked in the OP are valid for any person in their own search for the truth. Just because you might belong to and Abrahamic faith does not mean you have the absolute truth. Next time adjust your tone because it was completely uncalled for.
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Final Fantasy
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| someone has been spending too much time reading dawklings. hahah hah |
I have never read any of his books. 
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| if god didnt exist then who created you? |
Is that the only argument you have for God's existence?
Maybe you should trying thinking once in a while too. 
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| it is not for us to ask these questions |
Why?
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Why? Who are you to say it is not for God to answer them?
What is so almighty about him? 
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| what makes you think god almighty owes it to you to explain the way things are? |
I think he owes it to everyone, don't you think so?
Regardless, I'm not asking God, I am asking the people of FFI.
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FreePower
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1a. If God exists, why make us? Why make anything, what is his goal, what does he hope to achieve (can God even hope)?
1b. Why He? Why not Goddess (She)? Or why not simply just a force or power?
1c. Does God have emotions? Does he feel?
The one that confuses me the most:
2a. What triggered the Big Bang? Was it God? Or if, assuming there is no God then what triggered the Big Bang? How can the Big Bang come about from nothingness? Or was there something before the Big Bang?
2b. Assuming God exists, what was he doing before the Big Bang or before he created the universes? And before that, and before that, and before that...when does it begin?? Where does it begin from?? It's hard to imagine something without a beginning. Where does God come from?? Or if it just comes from human minds then where does anything come from? Where does it all start from and how? |
Hey there, I will give you answers based on what I believe and I am a Christian.
1. God is love (1 John 4:8 ), and because of that love and his wonderful creativity, he made us so we can enjoy all that he is and all that he's done.
If you believe in God then you can believe that this is a longterm plan for humanity, meaning God let things play out from the start knowing that one day when heaven was established and inhabited by his true followers , the people who loved him on Earth and were faithful to him out of their own will.
1b. God is not a he, neither is he a she, but he holds the aspect of both male and female. It is said that we are created in his image, so he holds both aspects of a loving father and a loving mother. We chose to say "He" because in most languages including English there is not a direct word for both male and female. So we use "He".
1c. This is something that I don't know much about but, I believe he does have feelings. He loves us unconditionally and he shows sign of mercy, delight and anger sometimes in the old testament. Usually when people rebelled and started worshiping other gods and so on.
2a. There wasn't anyone around the time of the Big Bang so we can only speculate, however if you believe matter cannot just pop out of nowhere then you can believe that God put the first molecule there to start the Big Bang.
2b. Humans are created to think of a beginning and an end, however when Moses asked God who he was, he just said "I am". God was always there and always will be, that may be hard to imagine but its because we've never actually seen something like this before. So it puzzles us. Now if you ask what he was doing before the Big Bang, that is a question that I believe nobody will have the answer to, and you will have to ask him one day.
I hope that helped, those are my beliefs and I am a Christian who believes in God, however there are members here who will completely disagree because of their different beliefs.
Regards
FreePower
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japan257
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: ¿ G O D ? |
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| Final Fantasy wrote: |
| 1a. If God exists, why make us? Why make anything, what is his goal, what does he hope to achieve (can God even hope)? |
If you had the power to wouldn't you want to share existence with others?
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1b. Why He? Why not Goddess (She)? Or why not simply just a force or power? |
The same way 'man' can mean mankind and not just males 'God' encapsulates both the masculine and feminine.
| Final Fantasy wrote: |
1c. Does God have emotions? Does he feel? |
"And he saw that it was good..." what does that tell you?
| Final Fantasy wrote: |
The one that confuses me the most:
2a. What triggered the Big Bang? Was it God? Or if, assuming there is no God then what triggered the Big Bang? How can the Big Bang come about from nothingness? Or was there something before the Big Bang? |
Nothing cannot come from nothing and yet we know there was no matter before the Big Bang. So what created it all?
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2b. Assuming God exists, what was he doing before the Big Bang or before he created the universes? And before that, and before that, and before that...when does it begin?? Where does it begin from?? It's hard to imagine something without a beginning. Where does God come from?? Or if it just comes from human minds then where does anything come from? Where does it all start from and how? |
See:
"The first Creator? My beloved, there was no first Creator...the manifest universes – the universes that are part of the world of form, of separate forms – sprang out of the Allness of God. In the Allness there is no beginning and no end, thus it is meaningless to say that God had to be created.
The old question of who created God springs from the linear, analytical mind, which can only think in linear terms. And thus, everything must have had a beginning and everything must have an end.
You see, my beloved, the linear mind had a beginning, and it will have an end. But God had no beginning and will not have an end."
Peace 
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Probably some of the questions people may have when freed from religion. I know I'm asking a lot sorry, I want to know. Related links would be helpful.
Note: If these questions have already been asked then my apologies. Link to the threads if possible.
Thanks. |
See: http://askrealjesus.com/index.html
BTW the above link is not a Christian site.[/u]
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Aksel Ankersen
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: ¿ G O D ? |
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| Final Fantasy wrote: |
2b. Assuming God exists, what was he doing before the Big Bang or before he created the universes? And before that, and before that, and before that...when does it begin?? Where does it begin from?? It's hard to imagine something without a beginning. Where does God come from?? Or if it just comes from human minds then where does anything come from? Where does it all start from and how? |
See:
"The first Creator? My beloved, there was no first Creator...the manifest universes – the universes that are part of the world of form, of separate forms – sprang out of the Allness of God. In the Allness there is no beginning and no end, thus it is meaningless to say that God had to be created.
The old question of who created God springs from the linear, analytical mind, which can only think in linear terms. And thus, everything must have had a beginning and everything must have an end.
You see, my beloved, the linear mind had a beginning, and it will have an end. But God had no beginning and will not have an end." |
I'm inclined to think the same way, we only know causality from our temporal universe. If the universe began in a singularity, causality would be out the window.
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| Where does it begin from?? It's hard to imagine something without a beginning. Where does God come from?? Or if it just comes from human minds then where does anything come from? Where does it all start from and how? |
| Rig Veda hymn CXXIX wrote: |
| "Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation? The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being? He, the first origin of this creation, whether he formed it all or did not form it, whose eye controls this world in highest heaven, he verily knows it, or perhaps he knows not." |
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Brendalee
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it is not for us to ask these questions and it is not for god to answer them. what makes you think god almighty owes it to you to explain the way things are?
it takes an extremely foolish atheist to even ask these questions for which only god has the answers to. |
Yep. This is the line that Islam takes. Don't think. Don't question. Muslim, do not think you have any right to speak for Christians or Jews. |
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ixolite
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| if god didnt exist then who created you? think about it. |
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 Paying attention in school helps a lot. 
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Fathom
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| In defense of Faith wrote: |
someone has been spending too much time reading dawklings. hahah hah
if god didnt exist then who created you? think about it. |
Your question is what is known as circular reasoning. You pose a question in which the presumed answer itself lies within the question, and offers no other possible explanations.
However, your question is a fallacy because evidence of existence is not evidence of God. Since you cannot prove God exists in the first place, you should not assume that everything that exists got here because of God.
Now I know what your next question will be. "If God does not exist, how then did you get here?"
The best answer is, "I don't know, but there's less evidence to suggest that God put me here than there is to suggest that I evolved here from an earlier life form."
And that is far more truthful. There is not a single stitch of evidence to suggest any God exists, but science itself has demonstrated time and again how evolution has contributed to the changes from earlier species of man to the present day, as well as done the same thing to other animals.
Old religious books do not demonstrate any existence of God since there are no exterior documented records to collaborate. A single man such as Jesus, Moses, or Muhammad cannot prove the existence of God from stories written about them in old religious books. At the end of the day all you have are stories written about them in old religious books; written by zealots with a feverish belief system.
The existence of God has never been proven, and with all the modern abilities mankind has at his disposal today, we still cannot detect any record on the modern earth of any God performing any miraculous works anywhere.
Does it mean that God does not exist? No, all it means is that there simply isn't any evidence to suggest he does. However, the best truth for those who believe in God is that God exists because they believe he does.
But there's a massive difference between what is a belief and what is a fact. You're welcome to your beliefs, but understand, they are not facts that can be tested.
They are only beliefs.
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BlackStaR
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someone has been spending too much time reading dawklings. hahah hah
if god didnt exist then who created you? think about it. |
Who created god?
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FreePower
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someone has been spending too much time reading dawklings. hahah hah
if god didnt exist then who created you? think about it. |
Who created god? |
Who created Brahmin?
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BlackStaR
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| Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| FreePower wrote: |
| BlackStaR wrote: |
| In defense of Faith wrote: |
someone has been spending too much time reading dawklings. hahah hah
if god didnt exist then who created you? think about it. |
Who created god? |
Who created Brahmin? |
If you can give me a reasonable explanation from the Jesusist view ( which I highly doubt, but lets see you try anyway), I guarantee you I will give you what I know about who created god. You cant answer by asking questions again!
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FreePower
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The way I look at it, there is no creator for God, all that would do is push it up another step, who created God's creator. Instead go back before the universe started, before the laws of physics and before light and darkness existed. It was just God, in eternity and his immensity. Something the human mind cannot comprehend because we are born with a a beginning and an end mindset.
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