Muslims should treat Jews as their respected teachers

[hamdi]

Normally i should not praise a particular race or faith but the Jews force me to do. Despite being born to muslim parents i do respect them, i'm not muslim why ? the reason why is simply one thing: the love of science. My father worked for Jewish patrons during the fifties and we used to talk about them.he always told me that there were jews living in north africa who suffered the scorn of the Muslim population. He told me that young Muslim boys at least some of them used to slap the young Jews on their neck ,under the encouraging regard of muslim parents and the humiliated sight of the Jewish fathers. My dear father said that the jews went to the rabbin and told him about that again and again but at everytime he asked them to educate their children properly. My father described the situation of the Jews that time as very weak especially that he was talking about poor Jews living in poor quarters and besieged by a massive Muslim population.
If there's any wisdom one can learn from the facts I relate, as my departed father did , it should be that the emancipation can't b realized but through a positive view of life. in their most desperate situations the Jews did not resolve to explode restaurants and hospitals and schools in order to claim justice and they won't.
As young Muslim i loved and highly admired Steven Spielberg that i wrote his name on every copybook of mine while knowing that he was of Judaic faith.
that time there was a principle deeply rooted in me which i got from my father which was working hard and loving those who do because they are always just and fair.
I'm still poor but i'm working hard in order to realize my dreams and secure my future. that's why i respect the Jews who have 27 Nobel Prize in chemistry ,23 in economics, 44 in physics and 49 in biomedical sciences. Peace and literature are very important as prizes but they have something political. nevertheless one should mention the 12 Jewish laureates in literature. The Jews making 0.2% of the world have much more scientific prizes than their declared enemies the muslims who 're according to one statistics 22% so many but of little value they have just 2 scientific prizes. One of the two won by a Baha'i the famous Abdus Salem and the other by Zewail in chemistry who is to my information living in USA.
The contribution of Muslims to terrorism is much greater and they are involved in almost 80 to 90% of the world's armed conflicts.
i think Muslims should b ashamed and treat Jews as respected teachers not seek to make of them their slaves.
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[arildno]

Hi, hamdi!
I wish you all the luck in life, but as you have already understood, LUCK is not all there is to it, hard work is usually far more important.

It seems to me that you were very lucky to have had such a broad-minded father who had an untypical respect for Jews compared to many other Muslims.

I am also impressed by many of the achievements of Jews, but bear in mind that the vast majority of those who did well in science were thoroughly SECULAR Jews, with minimal religious affiliations (Albert Einstein is perhaps the prototypical example).

An acceptance of secular brothers among them is perhaps the major reason why Jews as a culture have done so well, not the absurdities contained in their Torah.

[hamdi]

Hi arildno
thank u for ur good feelings
i need to mention that i was muslim but now i'm about graduating from my English studies university and i'm atheist. i was muslim true but that was not heriditary no. i was convinced through the reading of tricky books written by apologists like Haykel and Al Jundi.
now i keep reviewing the same books but there's no more confusion thanks to this site and many others.
i was initiated to atheism about 7 years ago by a reading of Fuerbach by Lenin and i still feel the fast beating of my heart that time.
i talked to nobody about it but kept going up the roof and crying asking god or allah 2 show me some sign but as i was already convinced he couldn't bcuz he wasn't.
i liked the idea of justice in communism but the reading of the Khrushchev report gave me deeper insight and i went back to my old favorites like Diderot voltaire and lincoln .
i left successfully the main two ideologies opposed to freedom of our modern times.i feel i'm able to point to their birth defects, mainly hate and instigation of violence .but excessive control over people through allegedly planning for either better life or ending in the eternal orgy of Allah is the most dreadful of their aspects.
the German movie "The Lives of Others" is a good work about what kind of control people were object of.
the other aspect is tough organization of militancy which makes every militant watch the other suspecting treason.
but if Stalin claimed to himself the victories of Zukov or(joukov) he never made of himself a prophet guided by god and USSR never built temples to worship him. yesterday Putin was speaking and in the background there was a painting of Nickolai .
so the communist threat is over and there are no more people of great moral value to endorse it like Che Guevara. the case is not the same with islam and like i was telling u i was convinced by the tricky works of apologists so let's stand against them!
thank u again dear arildno
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[arildno]

I'm glad you haven't been lured into Marxism.
It is in close cahoots with Islam, essentially through fostering hatred towards the "haves" who reputedly "oppress" the blameless, innocent have-nots.

[ibn_rushd2]

Thanks for your thoughts hamdi.

[Intelligent lad]

Welcome to FFI hamdi
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[Intelligent lad]

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[Jacquelina]

Thanks, Hamdi - and Islam has quite a bit to learn from Judaism, too, as religions. Item number 1) Question the Qu'ran, what it says, and discuss how it applies to everyday life. There are some good points and some bad points in the Qu'ran, just like there are in the Bible, and in the Torah. Look at what is good for people - what benefits and satisfies people, and not merely at what the Qu'ran says benefits and satisfies people. That sort of thinking is how Jews got where they are today - by daring to question their own sacred texts and ways, and reasoning, and discussing and arguing. Item number 2) Keep studying and learning. There is an Islamic tradition of science and reasoning (ijtihad and "Islamic science") that was locked up or restricted for ages under policies discouraging bid'ah (innovations) in favor of taqlid (follow-the-leader-no-matter-what). This tradition was most prominent during the Islamic Golden Age, back in the days when there was a dynamic Caliphate and not a stagnant, declining, overly repressive one. 3)Don't kill off the pagans/polytheists. This was the first mistake that the Muslims made in their long history, for it deprived them of potential ideas and talent, and soured Islam's reputation to begin with.

Thank you.

Well, actually the first mistake might have been refusing to compromise with the Quraysh elders in Makkah, which led to a lot of contention between Muhammad and his followers on the one hand and the conservatives on the other hand.

ps. The Qu'ran has a pretty odd view of Jews and Judaism. The names uttered seem to be pretty strange for a bunch of Jews (as well as their ideas of how to prove prophecy, for example), although this might have been an odd Arabic offshoot of the Jewish mainstream (the Qu'ran does mention a "Tawrat", as opposed to "Torah", for example). And of course there are Muhammad's angrier moments (i.e, the apes and pigs).
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[hamdi]

All thanks are for u Jacquelina.
beautiful are ur name, picture and thoughts (no flattering)

we do need such moderate thoughts which appreciate what's right and good even if they come from people who are different in their beliefs and way of life.
Jews have always understood and accepted difference and this is why they are good as philosophers and thinkers. They reject the notion of pure truth and so they let no place for extremism.
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[Anunaki]

I'm really have huge respect to the jewish people. in last few years the jewich scientists did great job for the image of our country....Gregory Perelman (Fields Medal and Millennium Prize - 2006) and Vitaly Ginzburg(Nobel Prize in Physics - 2003)....just to name afew


Honestly i dont think that they are smart as so many people think...because if it was true Israel was not surrounded by so many enemies!

[Ms Vivian]