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Popeye
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 Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: What would convince you to stop believing? |
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Just out of curiosity....
As far as I am concerned there are so many things God can do to provide conclusive, lasting proof that he existed and was supernatural.
Build an indestructible time machine.
Carve a giant canyon into the moon which says "GOD" in cursive, and fill it with a substance which burns brightly, forever.
Produce an almanac which precisely predicts 1 "unpredictable" natural event per year for the next thousand years.
Place a glowing orb at the top of mt. Everest and another the bottom of the ocean, which pulse in a synchronized but unpredictable fashion.
Etc.etc...
What would it take to convince you that God doesn't exist? |
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Matt
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Dear popeye
In order to convince a beleiver to become a nonebeleiver, you have to help them find out who they are as a part of evolution and help them to undrestand that there is more in to life then following some religion in a hope to get yourself a place in an imaginary place called Heaven. |
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Popeye
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| Matt wrote: |
Dear popeye
In order to convince a beleiver to become a nonebeleiver, you have to help them find out who they are as a part of evolution and help them to undrestand that there is more in to life then following some religion in a hope to get yourself a place in an imaginary place called Heaven. |
I guess you are right, I was just curious to know what would it take to make a believer stop believing... |
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simonh
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Popeye wrote: |
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Dear popeye
In order to convince a beleiver to become a nonebeleiver, you have to help them find out who they are as a part of evolution and help them to undrestand that there is more in to life then following some religion in a hope to get yourself a place in an imaginary place called Heaven. |
I guess you are right, I was just curious to know what would it take to make a believer stop believing... |
Ignorance always try to proove that it is intelligent than itself.... So how did you become non believer???? its very simple that you think you have understood everything about evolution, life etc... and finally you have opened your eyes.....isnt it??  Ask yourself how you have changed into non believer and implement the same techniques.... |
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Matt
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| simonh wrote: |
| Popeye wrote: |
| Matt wrote: |
Dear popeye
In order to convince a beleiver to become a nonebeleiver, you have to help them find out who they are as a part of evolution and help them to undrestand that there is more in to life then following some religion in a hope to get yourself a place in an imaginary place called Heaven. |
I guess you are right, I was just curious to know what would it take to make a believer stop believing... |
Ignorance always try to proove that it is intelligent than itself.... So how did you become non believer???? its very simple that you think you have understood everything about evolution, life etc... and finally you have opened your eyes.....isnt it?? Ask yourself how you have changed into non believer and implement the same techniques.... |
Tell me this Simonh:
Which of is better?
Not to think, then think wrong?
Not to beleive in anything, then to beleive in something that there is no proof of it's existance? |
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simonh
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Matt wrote: |
| simonh wrote: |
| Popeye wrote: |
| Matt wrote: |
Dear popeye
In order to convince a beleiver to become a nonebeleiver, you have to help them find out who they are as a part of evolution and help them to undrestand that there is more in to life then following some religion in a hope to get yourself a place in an imaginary place called Heaven. |
I guess you are right, I was just curious to know what would it take to make a believer stop believing... |
Ignorance always try to proove that it is intelligent than itself.... So how did you become non believer???? its very simple that you think you have understood everything about evolution, life etc... and finally you have opened your eyes.....isnt it?? Ask yourself how you have changed into non believer and implement the same techniques.... |
Tell me this Simonh:
Which of is better?
Not to think, then think wrong?
Not to beleive in anything, then to beleive in something that there is no proof of it's existance? |
In Your sense you dont have proof for the existence of God, but in my sense I have proof of existence of God.. Only difference between me and you is "Lack of belief" or "Faith"..... |
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Tribalnation
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When I no longer see Pure Evil, directed by the hand of Satan himself, I will abandon my belief in the Great One.
Just to throw out one example, the attack on the school in Belsan was nothing less than Pure Evil.
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Popeye
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When I no longer see Pure Evil, directed by the hand of Satan himself, I will abandon my belief in the Great One.
Just to throw out one example, the attack on the school in Belsan was nothing less than Pure Evil. |
I thought nothing happened but by the will of God and that Satan was created by God.
How does evil come to exist? |
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Popeye
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Ignorance always try to proove that it is intelligent than itself.... So how did you become non believer???? its very simple that you think you have understood everything about evolution, life etc... and finally you have opened your eyes.....isnt it?? Ask yourself how you have changed into non believer and implement the same techniques.... |
I asked what would it take for you to stop believing...
First you describe me as ignorant, then you tell me how I came to understand things and finally you criticise what your imagination has decided I am.
You are creating what is called a "straw man argument" which is a very fallacious way of discussing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man |
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simonh
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Popeye wrote: |
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Ignorance always try to proove that it is intelligent than itself.... So how did you become non believer???? its very simple that you think you have understood everything about evolution, life etc... and finally you have opened your eyes.....isnt it?? Ask yourself how you have changed into non believer and implement the same techniques.... |
I asked what would it take for you to stop believing...
First you describe me as ignorant, then you tell me how I came to understand things and finally you criticise what your imagination has decided I am.
You are creating what is called a "straw man argument" which is a very fallacious way of discussing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man |
My answer was very simple " Nothing can stop believing in God other than Ignorance (lack of belief) "
Dont get confused
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confused |
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no_dhimmi
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:52 am Post subject: Re: What would convince you to stop believing? |
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| Popeye wrote: |
Just out of curiosity....
As far as I am concerned there are so many things God can do to provide conclusive, lasting proof that he existed and was supernatural.
Build an indestructible time machine.
Carve a giant canyon into the moon which says "GOD" in cursive, and fill it with a substance which burns brightly, forever.
Produce an almanac which precisely predicts 1 "unpredictable" natural event per year for the next thousand years.
Place a glowing orb at the top of mt. Everest and another the bottom of the ocean, which pulse in a synchronized but unpredictable fashion.
Etc.etc...
What would it take to convince you that God doesn't exist? |
Probably death, but only if there was an afterlife that proved no God existed. If no afterlife, then I guess nothing would convince me (ponder that one for a while...). 
Would anything convince you that there was one?
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Popeye
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: Re: What would convince you to stop believing? |
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Would anything convince you that there was one? |
Hello no_dhimmi,
If you read in its entirety the post you have just answered it says what would convince me that there was one.. |
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no_dhimmi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: Re: What would convince you to stop believing? |
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Would anything convince you that there was one? |
Hello no_dhimmi,
If you read in its entirety the post you have just answered it says what would convince me that there was one.. |
I thought so, but it could have also been more of a rhetorical question.
God (if it existed), might not be too concerned whether you believe or not--it's almost as if you expect God to act like a needy ex-girlfriend trying to prove how much she needs you. Why would God do that?
I can't convince you--I can only point to things you might consider, but that would be only if you felt something compelling you to want to believe.
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no_dhimmi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:55 am Post subject: Re: What would convince you to stop believing? |
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Hello no_dhimmi, |
Oh, and hello! Hope you've been doing well. 
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Popeye
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: Re: What would convince you to stop believing? |
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| Popeye wrote: |
| no_dhimmi wrote: |
Would anything convince you that there was one? |
Hello no_dhimmi,
If you read in its entirety the post you have just answered it says what would convince me that there was one.. |
I thought so, but it could have also been more of a rhetorical question.
God (if it existed), might not be too concerned whether you believe or not--it's almost as if you expect God to act like a needy ex-girlfriend trying to prove how much she needs you. Why would God do that?
I can't convince you--I can only point to things you might consider, but that would be only if you felt something compelling you to want to believe. |
Dearest no_dhimmi,
I will bear in mind the points you make and I do agree with you that God, if He existed, would not be pray to such an easy vanity as to concern Himself or be offended by my beliefs...
Nevertheless, nowhere in human history has it ever been demonstrated that a God exists and is active in the Universe.
But, Dear Friend, please let us not argue with each other, I like and respect you too much and do not want an argument with you.
I have been doing fine except my dear cat died a few days ago... and she was such a sweety, amazing how much I miss her even though she was a demanding boss. |
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