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skonk4
Joined: 18 Oct 2004 Posts: 938
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: From INDONESIAN site : The Neglected Revolution |
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THIS REPORT is meant for the SIOE (STOP ISLAMIFICATION OF EUROPE) Organisation and some western newspapers.
The Neglected Revolution : Muslims leaving Islam
by ali5196 of indonesia.faithfreedom.org
Foreword : Muslims in the West are uncritically taken by Islam. Yet, those who have firsthand experience of living with the sharia, think differently.
For 5 years now, I helped maintain a website for Indonesian Muslims leaving Islam by translating articles critical of Islam in English into bahasa Indonesia. Thanks to the internet, these articles made this ‘fastest growing religion’ look more like the ‘fastest sinking religion.’ By only shedding light on the real Islam, the Islam that muslims in the West are able to conceal, the seeds of doubt in the minds of (Indonesian) Muslims have been planted.
Those who left Islam due to our site was after having read that, amongst others :
Muhammad at 53 consummated his marriage to a 9 year old,
Muhammad did NOT change women’s lives for the better,
Muhammad ordered to kill those who have left Islam, his critics & 800 unarmed Medinan Jews, involved in raids & demanded his share of the booty: and that his version of heaven would make any Amsterdam whorehouse madam blush.
The most effective clinch was when one of our contributors highlighted books written by prominent (so-called 'moderate') Muslims proving exactly our points : that Aisya WAS 9 years old when she was deflowered, that Islam's heaven WAS about the promise of sex, that Jihad WAS about killing infidels & that prominent Muslims themselves are confused about which is the real Islam [and that from a religion which, above all, claims to be 'clear & concise'].
We survived despite several threaths by Muslims to hack/destroy our site/ destroy internet cafes which do not censor our site. We have had special hate-sites set up to encounter us. Our readers were several times intimidated by email or telephone. Yet our readership has increased steadily.
In August 2007, we achieved our highest readership from 1,500 a day to 5,000 a day with an average of 2.500/day. That is no mean feat in a country where the internet is still a luxury. Going online in an internet cafe can cost some of our regulars their weekly salary (or physical harrasment when you are unlucky enough to have been caught reading our site by a pious Muslim).
We must be doing something right.
A precise total of how many people leave Islam due to our site is difficult to obtain, yet one look at google and one can see that within 5 years, our site has gained prominence and is frequently quoted by Indonesian Islamic sites. An article about how Allah's inheritance law did not add up, for instance, was frequently quoted.
Muslims are also not in a hurry to announce their apostasy for fear of being terrorized by the state, anti-apostasy movements, family and community. One girl claimed that she had to move house when the whole family decided to leave Islam. Taking off her hijab was done as inconspicuous as possible, lest it would attract bad publicity. In our site, there were at least two accounts of child kidnapping by grandparents whose daughter-in-laws have left Islam. We had a report of a whole village leaving Islam, yet the reporter refused to announce the name for fear of repercussions.
OF course we have Muslims on our site too, condemning these apostasy stories as 'Islamophobic,' 'fake, clobberdash', ‘part of a Zionist/Christian conspiracy’ and that these ex-muslims ‘do not understand Islam fully in the first place,’ BUT in the biggest Muslim populated country like Indonesia, the proof is all around you. In a country with first hand experience of living with Islam, it is EASIER to convince Muslims in Muslim countires than non-Muslims in non-Muslim countries that Islam has failed miserably on its promises throughout its existence.
Islam is strong on myths and weak on proof, if one only has the eyes to see it.
Promises of ‘a religion of peace,’ ‘tolerant’ & ‘pro-women’ conflict with daily reality. One quick look and Muslims see clearly with their own eyes that without the participation of the hated pig-eating-unhijabed-immoral infidels, the country would be nowhere. This is especially true in case of natural disasters of which Indonesia has aplenty. It is widely believed that the biggest natural disaster happened for some divine reason in North Sumatera, the first province which introduced the sharia law.
AS one of the biggest exporters of workers to the Middle East, more and more cases highlighting the abuse of, especially, our female workers, also invited grave doubts about the 'Islamic brotherhood.' Physically and mentally abused, pregnant and even DEAD female workers returning from Saudi are not an unfamiliar sight. In fact, racism and discrimination towards workers not of Arabian descent (let alone non-Muslim) in the Middle East are far, far worse than ever encountered by Muslim workers in the 'evil infidel immoral West.' Conduct a poll and I bet you that these workers would rather be employed by kafirs !
We heard of cases of non-Muslims being asked not to join their Muslim relatives praying for their dead; of Muslims calling their non-Muslim friends 'najis', ie 'morally dirty' and refusing to receive food from a non-Muslim household etc. raised more and more questions about Islam. Phrases from Muslims like : 'The feet of a Muslim is cleaner than the head of a non-Muslim', speak for themselves.
So are Indonesian-Muslims' obsession with Jews & Palestine. Islam made Indonesian Muslims born out of Hindu/Buddhist ancestors with a 4000 year culture feel more Arab than the Arabs themselves. Our last most civilised 16 century Hindu kingdom was destroyed by the crown prince who became a jihadi and called his own father, the tolerant and most reverred Brawijaya, a 'Budha kafir kufur'. Yet this part of our history had been completely concealed from the classrooms for fear of upsetting Muslims.
The country once world famous for its Hindu and animist culture is now slowly becoming Arabized. Mecca has replaced our ancestors' Hindu temples. Headscarves replaced flowers in women's traditional 'kondes' (hair in buns). Even hair is now condemned as 'jahiliyah', ie from the pre-islamic 'ignorant' age ! The warm smiles, touch, flirtatious but harmless chats by women street sellers are now considered 'immoral.' Waiting for a bus at 7pm with a red lipstick in your handbag can invite accusation of prostitution by the Indramayu sharia moral police.
In Indonesia currently, we have 41 church leaders jailed, merely for praying aloud that 'Muslims may come to Christ.' 3 Sunday-teachers were released from a THREE year JAIL sentece for giving Bibles to Muslim pupils (on the agreement of their parents). Promises of the sharia law only applying to Muslims in North Sumatera also proved to be a lie when non-Muslim pupils were also obliged by decree to wear the hijab.
The proof is all around you.
Many letters we received were also from ex-Muslims who left Islam before they even encountered our site.
One ex-Muslim said that he cannot accept the Muslim theory that Mother Teresa will not go into heaven, merely due to the fact that she was an infidel. A woman left Islam after seeing her friend's heartache and dilemma when her husband took another wife; objecting to this second marriage will only cause her husband to Islamically divorce her too easily without any Islamic obligation to maintaining her welfare (like 'democracy, 'alimony' was invented by the West). For another ex-Muslim, the last nail in the Islamic coffin came after her own family member was killed in the Bali bombing.
Maybe that is why our site became so succesful, it merely articulated systematically what has been there all along. We did not present anything new, we only repeated this simple rule : the more Islamic a country becomes, the more intolerant it will be. The proof is around you if only one has the eyes to see.
That is why our readers also expressed disbelieve by the West's ignorance in allowing Muslims to proselytise their religion, including the right to apply to sound their loudspeakers for the call of prayers (see: Oxford), when churches are NEVER allowed to sound their bells in ANY muslim country.
Muslims in Muslim countries do not have time for political correctness either. Many have the courage to sue their countries to allow them to leave Islam. See recent cases of Lina Joy in Malaysia and Ahmed Hegazy in Egypt. Their loss in court should show us all the same that in a Muslim country, Islamic law will never allow Muslims the right to freedom of religion.
See also cases of Muslims in Muslim countries who have ended up dead or jailed for criticizing Islam or carrying out their right to choose a religion of their choice. The most recent case I can think of is that of the young Egyptian, Abdel Kareem Nabil Sulaiman.
See a recent list : http://antikafirphobia.wordpress.com/those-who-dare-speak-out-2/
These apostasy cases are but small steps for ex-Muslims and a giant leap for mankind. They reflect a seismic movement in Islam's 1,400 years of unchallenged history.
Yet extraordinarily, the Western media (except for Channel 4) have neglected to report this phenomenon. Even the BBC (with plenty of stringers in the Middle East & the Far East) looked the other way ! I wonder why !
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MsWesterner
Joined: 11 Nov 2006 Posts: 11888
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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thanks skonk....please please keep up your great work. The world needs it, as do the victims of islam and its deceit.
when muslims want to destroy you, you know you are "getting it right"
and in 2008 in Indonesia, you still have imams preaching to the gullible that they must mutilate their daughters for life.....isnt it shameful
good luck!!! |
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yeezevee
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 17109
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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skonk4: THIS REPORT is meant for the SIOE (STOP ISLAMIFICATION OF EUROPE) Organisation and some western newspapers.
The Neglected Revolution : Muslims leaving Islam
by ali5196 of indonesia.faithfreedom.org ... |
It is so good to read you dear skonk4., there is a LOOOONG way to go and lot of work ahead.. indonesia.faithfreedom.org is indeeded the leading light
I wish there is a "Miscellaneous Topics" section there, where I could Log in there with an English thread...I am sure, All edulated Mullahs of indonesia speak English...
http://www.indonesia.faithfreedom.org/forum/
http://www.blogger.com/profile/02279640548298779094
ali5196 is has done such fantastic Job.. i wish I could be like him
with best wishes
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chingachgook

Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 3101 Location: Land of Twilight Zone
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Dear skonk4, agree fully with yeezevee, do keep up the good work of exposing the REAL dangers of Islam. Sooner, sooner... gradually but surely, the words will spread. _________________ When Muslims DON'T follow Islam they are holy. When Christians DON'T follow Christ's they are not holy (chingachgook)
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mtdreaming

Joined: 09 Jan 2008 Posts: 427 Location: somewhere over the rainbow
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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This is great to hear thing like this.
I send my thanks to you all.... good job is being done
MT |
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Galadriel

Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 2143 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Great article. I am now learning Bahasa Indonesia.  _________________ Muslim, compare Quran with THIS WISDOM & your Friday sermon with THIS SERMON. Which one can make you a better person? |
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Dominus
Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 838
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| Thank you very much, skonk4. Keep up the great work. |
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Samurai_Jack

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 2782
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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I have always said, it is easier to get get non arab Muslims to leave Islam, as their culture still has a bit of hold on them.
We should target Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Afghanistan....any non arab muslim country _________________ India is a geographical term. It is no more a united nation than the Equator.
Winston Churchill...Evolutionary fairy tales for grown ups http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/articles_debates/evolutiondefinition.htm |
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mohd_kafir
Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 213 Location: Kafironia
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Samurai_Jack wrote: |
I have always said, it is easier to get get non arab Muslims to leave Islam, as their culture still has a bit of hold on them.
We should target Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Afghanistan....any non arab muslim country |
Most Pakistanis act more Arab than the Saudis themselves (or even the prophet himself).
For example, the most vociferous defendants of the tribal desert religion we see on FFI are of Pakistani origin. If you ask me, even if the Arabs were to collectively wake-up and reject their fairytale, the Pakistanis will still continue to be loyal to the imaginary moon god. |
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Intelligent lad

Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 1157 Location: God's own country,BHARAT(The Saffron Empire)
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| mohd_kafir wrote: |
| Samurai_Jack wrote: |
I have always said, it is easier to get get non arab Muslims to leave Islam, as their culture still has a bit of hold on them.
We should target Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Afghanistan....any non arab muslim country |
Most Pakistanis act more Arab than the Saudis themselves (or even the prophet himself).
For example, the most vociferous defendants of the tribal desert religion we see on FFI are of Pakistani origin. If you ask me, even if the Arabs were to collectively wake-up and reject their fairytale, the Pakistanis will still continue to be loyal to the imaginary moon god. |
This is because Islam is every thing for them ,their country has no meaning once Islam dies. Islam is their culture,religion and nationalism.
Islam dead== Pakistan dead. _________________ ISLAM IS THE CANCER,FFI IS THE ANSWER... |
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cherryblossom
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 1020
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Great article. Thanks for posting and keep up the good work. _________________ "One day these people will be our slaves." As said by a British Muslim woman in the 1970's. |
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skonk4
Joined: 18 Oct 2004 Posts: 938
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Correction : our site has now (FEBR 2008) got 3,400 readers a day and rising steadily. Not 2,500/day (old figure) as I wrote in article.
Glad to be of some help. Most of all, thank you Ali Sina.  |
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fire-snake

Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 2184
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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thanks to skonk and ali-something.
Keep up the good work, guys!!!  |
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Footatoes
Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Posts: 178 Location: In the shoes of TT
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:16 am Post subject: |
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Dear Skonk,
Congratulation, Indonesian Ali...
yeah, yeah, I believe the apostasy is growing in Indonesia and I do hope before 2010, the number of non muslims increase to 50% of the society. I know it's very far from it, but if we believe in the snowball effect - with a lot of struggle from people like you, why not?
I don't know how many percentage non muslim in Indonesia now? 20%? It's hard to get a real figure since the BPS will never reveal the fact and due to the testimonies I read in Indonesian site, where some of our ex-muslim friends choose to keep "islam" in their identity card due to the fear of persecution, etc.
But the emergence of AGAP (anti apostasy movement) is a good sign that in fact the apostasy is FAR HIGHER than the number we know. Let's hope in the future Indonesia will become a NON muslim country and we can have a better and more peaceful future.
Cheers,
Foots
P.S. Firesnake, what is your accoount in Indonesian FFI? _________________ http://richarddawkins.net/home
"There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"
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fire-snake

Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 2184
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| Footatoes wrote: |
| But the emergence of AGAP (anti apostasy movement) is a good sign that in fact the apostasy is FAR HIGHER than the number we know. |
Useless paranoid of apostasy
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Let's hope in the future Indonesia will become a NON muslim country and we can have a better and more peaceful future.
Cheers,
Foots |
Phew.... if they breed like rats, Indonesia will always become a muslim country.
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| P.S. Firesnake, what is your accoount in Indonesian FFI? |
Punya dulu tapi gak perna di pake lagi. safe gak ngasih tau nic di sini lol. |
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