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Samurai_Jack
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Ron Paul pivots to his reelection
Ron Paul appears to have had a Dennis Kucinich moment.
Just as the liberal Ohio congressman realized last month that his long-shot presidential campaign was imperiling his prospects for keeping his House seat, Paul appears to be choosing the comfort of incumbency over a continued effort to win a nomination that he has virtually no shot at capturing.
Last night, the libertarian-leaning Texas congressman sent a message to his supporters signaling that he was scaling back his presidential bid.
The most telling passage:
"I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen."
Same as Kucinich, Paul has seen a real primary threat emerge back home. In both cases -- and see my colleague Josh Kraushaar's piece as a primer -- the challengers have made the case that the local congressman is gallivanting around the country on a quixotic quest, has lost touch with the folks back home and has taken stances out of line with the district.
The key difference, of course, is that Paul has millions of dollars socked away and could be a significant threat were he to run a third-party campaign in the fall.
But Paul reitereated in his message that that won't happen.
"Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican Party, so there will be no third-party run," Paul said. "I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican."
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katlike
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| Hello Katlike ! Thanks for commenting on my thread. Do you know that you're one of my favorite posters ? |
That is very sweet of you, I had no idea, now you have given me the added pressure of living up to your expectations! Just what I needed in an election year! Yikes...wish me well... 
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| I think the US is deeply divided on political lines. It needs a reformation to unite both sides. This cannot be solved on a political level however I believe the US is ready for a 3rd party. |
I agree, but just when I think it is ok to freak out over the divided political lines I have to think back to the Civil War, political lines were very pronounced then and we manged to pull it together. In fact, the history of the US is wrought with very clear, divided political lines. Reading about those divisions seems very safe in a history book, scarey in real live, but the truth is the US was built to thrive on those divisions. What is going on right now only seems new to us, when in fact it is what the United States of America was built on.
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| myself am pretty confused. On the one hand I would like to see a Black man become the President but OTOH, I don't want to see an appeaser in officer. |
I do not know many people who would have any problem at all with a black American becoming their next president, America is not the racist pit you may have heard about. I have to wonder at the number of people who will vote for Obama simply because they are afraid of being called racist.
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| I think he is an appeaser and I think he would be very bad for all of us. Those that seem to be in his camp right now are the ones I do not trust to make any hard desicion. |
I agree, an appeaser is the very last thing we need right now, and Obama is nothing if he isn't an appeaser. His whole strategy is a fence sitting, make them all feel good strategy. Like I said, we live in interesting times.
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Humanist
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| So if you can't see the difference between the two choices, may providence save your soul because you are lost. I mean the choices are so stark that is is BLACK and WHITE. |
I think my problem lies in having only the two choices to choose from. I don't like any of the choices, and if you are happy with what we have been given, then great, I am not as easily convinced, but here is what I know is our dividing factor, you've made your life, you only need to worry about protecting your earned assests, I am still struggling to provide for my family and create what it is you want to protect, it puts us in very different circumstances and as such political polarites. It's only black and white for you, for me, I have to think of you and your retirement plans, (do you want me to vote someone in that will heavily tax the 65 and older group? How about we simply get rid of social secrurity and medicare?) See, I have to think about your well being. I also have to think of me and my family's survival, and then I get to consider my own kids and what they will have to deal with when they are my age. It's only black and white for you Humanist, for me, it is a lot of people's well being.
And for the record, I really don't appreciate you trying to make me feel like a idiot for not seeing it your way. Here's the truth of the matter, as a retiree, you are now at the mercy of my tax dollars and my voting record. We are on the same side, try real hard not to forget that ok? |
Hey Katlike, I was not condesending to you at all.
Plus I will never draw a dollar of social security, nor will my wife. I do not qualify for social security.
I am not 65 for four more years. I retired at 53. I still pay federal taxes at a high rate, so I am always trying to find way to pay less taxes. But I do not see Obama or Clinton's plans for a national health insurance helping anyone who works or who made some money. I don't believe that I should share all my wealth with folks who were lazy, inept or did not try. I don't see a weakened military as doing any thing good for Americans. I don't see an isolated America being any good for the world.
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silent_rage
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Lately I have been spending time on political forums, debating the aftermath
of super-tuesday. As you can imagine the mood is not good. McCain is the
nominee. There is no denying it. I have argued with those that say they'll
sit this one out that keeping the Supreme Court should be top priority. If
Clinton were inaugurated she would immediately appoint three of the most
liberal wacked-out judges to the Court. If McCain is inaugurated there won't
be so many retirees so he'll never get the chance to clean house. |
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Samurai_Jack
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| Hello Katlike ! Thanks for commenting on my thread. Do you know that you're one of my favorite posters ? |
That is very sweet of you, I had no idea, now you have given me the added pressure of living up to your expectations! Just what I needed in an election year! Yikes...wish me well... |
No pressure Katlike, I happen to be a 'cat lover' myself. Meowwww....LOL !!!!  
But seriously, I just like reading your posts. You're honest and straight forward and there seem to be not single mean bone in you. Your husband is lucky !
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[quote]I think the US is deeply divided on political lines. It needs a reformation to unite both sides. This cannot be solved on a political level however I believe the US is ready for a 3rd party.[/quote]
I agree, but just when I think it is ok to freak out over the divided political lines I have to think back to the Civil War, political lines were very pronounced then and we manged to pull it together. In fact, the history of the US is wrought with very clear, divided political lines. Reading about those divisions seems very safe in a history book, scarey in real live, but the truth is the US was built to thrive on those divisions. What is going on right now only seems new to us, when in fact it is what the United States of America was built on. |
I know what you're trying to say. America motivates difference of opinion. Yes, that is a very American character, unlike European. However, back in the day, there was still cohesion, a sense of loyalty, love for the country. A liberal would vote Republican is that is what is good for the country. I'm sure you've heard of the term 'Reagan Democrats'.
However, today the US is very very divided. I see no love for the country from the left. While the Right may be corrupt, at least they have love for the country but the left, I don't know how far they will go to play traitor. Nancy Pelosi visiting Syria is a good example. Obama supporting illegal immigrants...It's unbelievable !
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| myself am pretty confused. On the one hand I would like to see a Black man become the President but OTOH, I don't want to see an appeaser in officer. |
I do not know many people who would have any problem at all with a black American becoming their next president, America is not the racist pit you may have heard about. I have to wonder at the number of people who will vote for Obama simply because they are afraid of being called racist. |
I know what you're trying to say, I lived there a couple of years and 'inshallah' may be returning soon. However, the divisions are still there. Black and Mexicans will always vote left. Why is that ?
I would like to see a Black president, to let some power sway to the Blacks, Natives and Mexicans.
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| I think he is an appeaser and I think he would be very bad for all of us. Those that seem to be in his camp right now are the ones I do not trust to make any hard desicion. |
I agree, an appeaser is the very last thing we need right now, and Obama is nothing if he isn't an appeaser. His whole strategy is a fence sitting, make them all feel good strategy. Like I said, we live in interesting times. |
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Wodan82
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If it was dark here and I was a bit edgy, I would have punched the screen if that image was seen as the first thing afther clicking the tread.
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Samurai_Jack
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By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
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BANGOR, Maine - John McCain's emergence as the probable Republican presidential nominee is reshaping the Democratic contest, prompting Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama to cast themselves as best-suited to defeat him and focus on issues they think will play to his strengths and weaknesses.
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In virtually identical language to separate crowds this weekend in Maine, Clinton and Obama urged Democrats to think carefully about which of them is more likely to vanquish McCain this fall. They drew opposite conclusions, of course. But they left no doubt that McCain is forcing them to recalibrate their pitches to primary voters.
The two reminded Democrats about McCain again Saturday night in separate speeches to a party fundraising dinner in Richmond, Va. Obama, fresh off a sweep of contests in Nebraska, Washington state and Louisiana, said McCain decided to "embrace the failed policies of George Bush's Washington."
Obama and Clinton emphasize different aspects of McCain, selecting those they feel offer the best comparison to their own profiles. For Clinton, it is McCain's toughness and experience, attributes that the New York senator and former first lady claims to match or surpass.
"I think I can go toe-to-toe with John McCain every single day," she said, indirectly alluding to the tough hide she developed by coping with the Whitewater affair, sex scandals and other controversies of her husband's eight-year administration.
Obama, 46 and serving his first Senate term from Illinois, comes at it differently. He portrays his relative youth and modest experience as a refreshing contrast to McCain's and Clinton's long-standing ties to a Washington culture that many voters seem eager to forget.
In what might be seen as a two-edged reference to McCain's age, 71, Obama often salutes the Vietnam War hero's "half century of service" to the nation.
More important for Obama is foreign policy, and the Iraq war in particular. He lumps Clinton, 60, with McCain's gung-ho support for the war because both voted in 2002 to authorize military force against Saddam Hussein. And Obama says Clinton hardly has distinguished herself from Bush's and McCain's approaches to diplomacy.
Obama told the Richmond crowd, "John McCain will not be able to say that I agreed with him on voting for the war in Iraq; agreed with him on giving George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran; and agree with him in embracing the Bush-Cheney policy of not talking to leaders we don't like."
Obama nearly always reminds audiences that he opposed the Iraq invasion from the start.
McCain's triumph over once-potent GOP rivals Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani presents a tricky challenge, and opportunity, for Clinton and Obama.
They must portray him as a formidable candidate who will win in November unless Democrats choose their nominee wisely. But they also must highlight vulnerabilities they arguably can best exploit, assuring Democrats of a winning strategy this fall.
In essence, Clinton and Obama must run against two people at once: McCain, who in turn serves as Clinton's best argument against Obama, and vice versa.
Clinton performed the two-step Saturday in Orono, Maine. She alluded to McCain's "legendary background" as a war hero, political renegade and critic of pork-barrel spending.
Implying that Obama is unprepared for a rough-and-tumble campaign against such a formidable foe, she said: "I've been vetted, tested and proven as a winning candidate against tough opposition," and "that's a big advantage in the general election."
The McCain campaign "will make this about national security," Clinton said, so it's "imperative we have a Democratic candidate people can imagine as a commander in chief standing there with Senator McCain."
But she also found fault with McCain, saying he would make an open-ended commitment to keeping troops in Iraq and knew little about economic problems facing middle class families.
Obama, campaigning in Bangor, Maine, hit McCain directly for first opposing, and then embracing, President Bush's major tax cuts, which especially benefited upper-income Americans.
He tried to undercut McCain's criticisms of spending earmarks, saying, "it was his party" under Bush "that passed the biggest increase in pork-barrel spending" in history.
Some polls suggest that Obama would fare better against McCain, a notion that Clinton disputed this weekend. She told reporters she was attracting voters that a Democrat "needs to draw from to establish a strong lead against Senator McCain — voters making less than $50,000, Latino voters, women, which has always been part of the Democratic nominee's base."
Obama, of course, said the polls are accurate because Clinton's longevity in Washington and her support of the Iraq invasion offer too little contrast to McCain.
Oddly enough, McCain has warmer personal relations with Clinton and Obama than with many of his Republican Senate colleagues. He and Clinton reportedly engaged in a vodka-drinking contest during a 2004 trip to Estonia.
His relationship with Obama is a bit pricklier. When Obama seemed to part ways unexpectedly with McCain on a lobbying restrictions bill two years ago, the Republican publicly accused him of "self-interested partisan posturing." Obama called McCain "cranky."
Soon, the two men were laughing and clapping each other's shoulders in the Capitol complex as TV news cameras whirred.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080210/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_mccain |
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Brave Steed
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Chancet predicts Hillary Clinton will be the president in 2008 (and a black president in the next six years; plus a whole wack of other predictions so you can check his hit rate - I can't believe Oprah's show will be cancelled this year but he says it'll happen in August; the elections don't happen until three months later):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8FdbvwB4JY
Sylvia Browne also predicts a Democrat elected to the office of the president in 2008 (she also predicted that Obama will pull ahead of Hillary in the primaries, but doesn't say he will be selected this year; she did say in her predictions for 2007 that there will be a black president in office in 8 years):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJzItZLUA6g
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fHNdmn7OgkQ
Newt Gingrich says that there's an 80% chance that the Democrats will win the presidential office in 2008:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zfA9iEP0cSM
Apparently it doesn't matter who wins the Republican nomination now.
I find the commentary by Chelsea Schilling about President Hillary Clinton using water power to persuade foriegn leaders to give in to her demands very funny:
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56074
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I noticed a bumper sticker today, and it said:
You Would be Insane To Vote For McCain.
Listen To Your Mama, Vote For Obama.
Not that I care who the people vote, whoever gets elected has to be accepted as our next President for the next four years.
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There is so much hatred in Islam that it even turns on itself. |
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There is a big differance in todays divide between Republicans and Democrats, and it is not the same as it was in the past. The two parties have always warred with one another, but were able to come back together after the election was over.
The issue of recent years, and I am talking twenty years ago until present time, have become more devisive, and that because the issues themselves have a divide that can not be reconciled. Ever since Roe vs.wade, and homosexual rights there has been this big chasm that can not be mended and therefore is impossible to gloss over, and come together. This chasim is based on deep moral convictions vs. none.
At one time both parties could claim a belief in God. Now only one of the partiesplatforms supports any morals at all,(no matter what either will claim) and half of the group that claims the moral high ground doesn't have a leg to stand on.
In one party we have the liberals, along with the help of the main stream media, ACLU, etc, helping to push the progressive agenda to make sure God has no say in anything except behind the closed doors of the church(and even that has begun to be regulated). And don't let Him out.
The conservative side is starting to move in that direction (Rinos), but many consevatives both economically and socially are still hanging on. That is why there is such a big uproar with McCain being the rep. for the Republicans. No matter what, this time we will be getting what we have asked for. And that is to have God get the heck out of the way and let us live our own lives apart from His intervention.
This is not, in my opinion a very wise idea, but it looks as though the die is cast. It will either be a prolonged death or a speedier one depending on the choice America will make in November.
I would like to be an optimist and give some encouraging words saying, "that this demise can be avoided ,if we do such and such", but I don't see it happening. Unless we all really take a look at what's happening in and around us and learn from those (failures) (history) who have gone before, I have no encouraging words. We my friends are no wiser or better than they who have gone before.
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| Hilliary will win it. McCain is too old and Barak well in all honesty a Black Man still won't get elected pres. Romney isn't Christian. Huckabee just has the wrong name, it sounds like he ought to be chawin' baccy and huntin varmints and critters for supper. |
LOL President Huckabee, it just doesnt sound right |
Yeah, people will be like, "What's his name again? Huckleberry?".
Heh, every President needs a dog, right? Here's his dog.
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I don't want him. Sounds more like President Fuckabee. |
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Sylvia Browne also predicts a Democrat elected to the office of the president in 2008 (she also predicted that Obama will pull ahead of Hillary in the primaries, but doesn't say he will be selected this year; she did say in her predictions for 2007 that there will be a black president in office in 8 years):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJzItZLUA6g
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Sylia Browne is a total fraud and crook. I'd believe my bowels before I'd believe the crap that comes from her mouth.
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I think the Dems have a good chance of winning the elections in all 3. They will control the Congress and Senate and have the White House too. Then they will pack the Supreme Court with left leaning secularists who will do everything to undo what the Founding Fathers did.
My American friends tell me that the media is totally biased towards Obama. None of them want to write anything negative about Obama because they fear they may be labelled as racists. So all the media is gearing up to give all positive news about Obama.
Secondly as economy stalls, jobs become scarce, Iraq becomes the scafegoat. So you can see a lot of protest in Summer by the students instigated by interested parties to discredit McCain. For McCain stands out as the lone Ranger in this battle to defeat islam.
The American heart is being wrenched between tradtional values and new untested methods. This is very clearly reflected in Obama's election message: CHANGE you can beleive in. What change? From the traditional to the untested policies.
This election will seal the fate of US-Israeli relationship. US-Israeli relationship had been the hallmark of American policy in Middle east. By abandoning this relationship, a new CHANGE will be brought into picture. As a prelude to that CHANGE, traditional Afro American and Jewish relations are at the lowest ebb now! THat's the CHANGE Obama is promising Americans.
Well how the level headed average American will vote is the most awaited consideration. |
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Every single Black person will vote for Obama. |
I find it hard to believe that you meant that seriously, Samurai_Jack, but it looks like you did. I think you need to familiarize yourself with black political activist and pundit Mychal Massie, chairman of Project 21. In his latest op ed it looks like at least he is one black man who hopes to vote for Hillary in November.
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Dear all, thanks for your spleindid posts. Bravesteed, I guess not every Black person.
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By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent
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WASHINGTON - Sen. Barack Obama won the Virginia primary Tuesday night and reached out for victories in nearby Maryland and the District of Columbia, determined to erode or even erase Hillary Rodham Clinton's delegate lead in the Democratic presidential race.
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Obama's triumph made it six straight over Clinton, the former first lady, now struggling to keep up in a race she once commanded.
The Associated Press made its call based on surveys of voters as they left the polls.
The interviews with voters showed blacks accounted for nearly one-third of the ballots cast in Virginia, and Obama's share approached 90 percent. He and Clinton split the white vote.
In all, there were 168 delegates at stake in the three Democratic primaries.
Clinton began the night with 1,147 delegates, to 1,124 for Obama. Both are far from the 2,025 needed to win the nomination at the Democratic National Convention this summer.
Republicans John McCain and Mike Huckabee struggled over 116 delegates in the GOP primaries in the so-called Potomac Primary contests.
In Virginia, nearly seven in 10 voters in the Republican primary called themselves conservatives, and Huckabee was gaining half their votes in a strong challenge to the party's front-runner.
The surveys were conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International for The Associated Press and the television networks. There was no survey conducted in the District of Columbia.
The AP count showed McCain with 729 delegates. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who dropped out of the race last week, had 288. Huckabee had 241 and Texas Rep. Ron Paul had 14.
It takes 1,191 delegates to clinch the Republican nomination, and McCain appears to be on track to reach the target by late April.
The Democratic race was the definition of unsettled, with Clinton on the verge of surrendering her long-held lead in delegates, having shed her campaign manager and loaned her campaign $5 million in recent days, and facing defeats next week in Wisconsin and Hawaii.
She hopes to respond with victories in Texas and Ohio on March 4, states where both candidates have already begun television advertising.
Since last week's Super Tuesday contests in 22 states, Obama has won a primary in Louisiana as well as caucuses in Nebraska, Washington and Maine, all of them by large margins.
Obama has campaigned before huge crowds in recent days, and far outspent his rival on TV advertising in the states participating in the regional primary in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia.
He began airing commercials in the region more than a week ago, and spent an estimated $1.4 million. Clinton began hers last Friday, at a cost estimated at $210,000.
With Clinton facing a series of possible defeats, and Obama riding a wave of momentum, the two camps debated which contender is more likely to defeat McCain in the general election.
An Associated Press-Ipsos poll found Obama with a narrow lead over the Arizona senator in a potential match-up, and Clinton running about even.
"We bring in voters who haven't given Democrats a chance" in the past, said Obama pollster Cornell Belcher, citing support from independents.
Mark Penn, Clinton's chief strategist, countered that she holds appeal for women voters and Hispanics. "Hillary Clinton has a coalition of voters well-suited to winning the general election," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/campaign_rdp |
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