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Intelligent lad
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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Location: God's own country,BHARAT(The Saffron Empire)
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That man is not correct.First he is very short-tempered.Next,he left his 3 children in the mall.Leaving childrens in the mall is not eastern culture.It is pure evil
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Plexus
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: |
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another cruel male from the "sexually insecure ranks of the cult" where he obviously has no love or concern for his children and the humiliation he would cause to them either......but this is islam, utterly obsessed about ownership and control of women, and yet this very male could have 3 extra wives if he wanted to and keep rotating them for replacement models.
poor little submissive slave to this imaginary allah! |
It was stupid for him to cause humiliation for his children. But I don't blame him for divorcing that b!tch. Who wants a cheating wife? (or a husband for that matter).
It is not about Islam. I am as anti Islamic as you can get and I despise the lax morality of the westerners. I find the western hedonism disgusting and repulsive. |
Much respect for your site and you Ali Sina but there is so much wrong with what you just said I find it hard to believe you said it! |
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Ali Sina
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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That's not shocking. I agree with the Supreme Court, I would never do such a thing, it is once again a civil matter, not criminal, it seems the Supreme Court agrees with me. |
And yet the same Canada has a program called "shame the John" where police officers pose as prostitutes to arrest Johns trying to pick them up, fine them and publish their names in the newspapers. In other words as long as sex is exchanged freely, it is legal even if it is adultery, but if you pay for it you are a criminal.
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Kaisys
Joined: 05 Dec 2005
Posts: 1902
Location: Ether
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Ali Sina can't tolerate homosexuals, cheating women, nudist, swingers, etc. etc. etc.
He is really one of us(easterners).  |
It is not true that I do not tolerate homosexuals. I consider homosexuality a disorder. But I am very sympathetic towards them and very tolerant of them. Anorexia is a disorder too. It would be unethical to be intolerant of anorexics. The same is true about homosexuals.
Interestingly pedophilia is also a disorder. We are less tolerant of pedophiles. I suppose it has to do with the level of harm that they cause to others. Homosexuals, like anorexics do not harm anyone else. Therefore intolerance or discrimination against them would be immoral. This cannot be said about pedophiles. |
1) The message was a bit childish cutie, nothing personal.
2) I think forum members had a huge debate on the forum on whether homosexuality is normal or a disorder n it left bad taste in everybody's mouth.
I wonder u r willing to prepare a battle ground 2.
Though u hv right to speak ur mind on this forum n other forum members too , this forum is abt countering islam.
Remember "islam vs other religions" did no good to nyone, neither will this discussion.
We hv to save the west frm islam n eventually the world. But if west commits moral suicide, it is their wish n nothing we can do to stop it. The only thing that will happen is eventual economic slide down of west n west will learn frm East again.
Read this article for Fresher.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/business/worldbusiness/02japan.html?hp=&pagewanted=print
Bookstores are filled with titles like “Extreme Indian Arithmetic Drills” and “The Unknown Secrets of the Indians.” Newspapers carry reports of Indian children memorizing multiplication tables far beyond nine times nine, the standard for young elementary students in Japan.
And Japan’s few Indian international schools are reporting a surge in applications from Japanese families.
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Black Trident
Joined: 18 Dec 2005
Posts: 1909
Location: My Ghilman is pregnant !!!
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| In the West it is perfectly okay for a woman to exchange phones with a man and there is no need to suspect anything fishy. |
I tend to agree with this. It's kinda hard to explain. We simply can't be like the other, no matter how hard we try. We can see how Easteners dress & try to follow the Western culture, and also vice-versa. But certain practices are still taboo to each culture.
For example Westerners wouldn't take their spouces/partners/lovers being friends with someone else too seriously. But we Easteners tend to get flustered if our partners behaved in this manner. Exchanging phone numbers is definately a no-no. Infidelity? Well, that can literally tear a family apart!
Westerners simply can never fully understand the Eastern mindset, and also vice-versa. I think we all should agree to disagree on this subject matter & concentrate our collective energy on fighting Islam.
(The woman COULD be stuck in an abusive marriage, or COULD be trying to leave Islam, like some posters here have speculated. If that's the case, then the divorce is actually a blessing in disguise & it'll only work to her advantage.)
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TheReligionOfPieces
Joined: 30 Nov 2007
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Location: The Far West
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| TheReligionOfPieces wrote: |
That's not shocking. I agree with the Supreme Court, I would never do such a thing, it is once again a civil matter, not criminal, it seems the Supreme Court agrees with me. |
And yet the same Canada has a program called "shame the John" where police officers pose as prostitutes to arrest Johns trying to pick them up, fine them and publish their names in the newspapers. In other words as long as sex is exchanged freely, it is legal but if you pay for it you are a criminal. |
I don't know that area of law very well and I don't participate in it so I really don't give two cents as to what the law is. My personal opinion is that prostitution is very dangerous because most of the time these women (or men) do not know their clientele and risk being killed, maimed, etc. And many prostitutes are involved with drugs and sexually transmitted diseases, which shouldn't be transmitted further. If two people cheat, I'm guessing they would usually know each other and the risks of being hurt physically are much lower. Prostitution is an extremely dirty business. I don't condone neither prostitution nor cheating but I feel that there is a big difference between the 2 that you are missing Ali. |
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peoshi
Joined: 17 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Thought you weren't a muslim anymore,Ali? You're starting sound like one!... To us this matter is clear? |
I said:" Those who do not know much about the Islamic societies may be confused. To us this matter is clear." This sentence does not imply that I am a Muslim. It implies that I know about Islamic societies. |
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Did you see anything stating anyone other than the husband witnessed this? |
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| The husband witnessed the exchange of the paper. He asked the wife to show the paper. She refused it. Why? He grabbed the purse and found the phone number. What else you want to know? The case is closed and the infidelity is established. The law allows him to divorce that b!tch and that is what he did. I would have done exactly the same, even though I would not have made a scene of it and would not have left my kids with that whore. I am sorry if I have no sympathy for cheating wivs or husbands. I do not identify myself with them and have no sympathy for them. I don't know about you and I don't know what kind of morality you have. But I certainly will not trust a woman who defends a cheating woman. |
You still did not answer the question...Did you see anything stating anyone other than the husband witnessed this?
B!tch...whore...listen to yourself,you sound like a muslim troll!
Unless I'm mistaken you know neither of these people,but you've already passed judgement on her based on his word alone! And what makes you think I'm a woman?
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| Here in the civilized world, we don't necessarily believe them just because they are male! |
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| Civilized world? Cheating is not part of civility. Civility is based on other moral and ethical parameters and cheating is not one of them. |
And this happened in Saudi Arabia, so what is your point?
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Ali Sina
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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| and did this woman ever ever get a choice to be muslim, or even married to this male??? |
This is red herring. Assuming that woman was forced into that marriage and that man was a loveless husband who abused her and had other wives, all she had to do was ask for divorce.
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and how on earth can infidelity be "established" by a piece of paper with a phone number on it -
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As I said you don't know how the Saudi society works. I lived there and I know. It is very normal for women to talk, shake hands and get the phone of men and there is nothing wrong in that in the west. But if such thing happen in SA it is not as innocent as you may think, especially under the circumstances described in that news clip.
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this is as bad as claiming a woman is not a rape victim because she doesnt have four witnesses!! She may or may not have intended to take the matter further, or may even have thrown the number out when she got home......but infidelity ESTABLISHED, I don't think so!!!
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You argue and try to fool yourself until the cows come home. The matter was clear to her husband as it is clear to me and to anyone who knows how the Saudi society functions. This argument may even convince a western jury, but to her husband that is not enough and it would not be enough also for me.
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if he has so little respect for himself and his children that he would do what he did (i.e. divorce over a pa system) then there is no telling what type of muslim male he might be - and after all, women are their property, having to OBEY there commands, and males have the "rights" to use and abuse. |
I think he overdid it. But he is a Saudi man and considering the fact that he could actually beat that woman to pulp with total impunity and did not, I give him a lot of credit.
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MsWesterner
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but is sex between "consenting" adults immoral - sure, many may find it distasteful, but is it immoral?
I find it highly amusing that muslims find loving sex between a man and woman so "highly immoral and sinful that they will MURDER the lovers without so much as the blink of an eye" and these same pious muslims claim the moral high ground.
YET they have no problem with young girls being denied childhood and education and given to old males in so called marriages, but without "informed consent", even knowing these girls will be abused and beaten.
These same moral muslims ALSO REMAIN SILENT AND ACQUIESCENT about mullahs ripping the bottoms of small boys.....do these little ones consent???
Not only in the latter examples do they not have a problem with it, they dont even punish the perpetrators.....or bother to try and protect the innocent children.
of course, islam is all about sex, sex, sex and males rights......but what is missing are the necessary ingredients of love and human rights and decencies. |
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truth seeker
Joined: 26 Dec 2005
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Location: NYC, USA
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Assuming that woman was forced into that marriage and that man was a loveless husband who abused her and had other wives, all she had to do was ask for divorce. |
You understand how Saudi society works. So you know what will happen to any divorced woman. She will lose her children and she will never remarry. She will be imprisoned with her parents or brothers for life.
If this woman was forced to marry the man, and given the shabby conditions a divorced woman would live in, would that not make her accepting this man’s phone number not unethical?
Aside from this possible situation, I agree with you 100% in everything else. And yes handing a piece of paper to a woman in Saudi is an invitation to prostitution. I know Westerners will not understand this, but it’s true.
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peoshi
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| all she had to do was ask for divorce. |
And what if he said no?
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| considering the fact that he could actually beat that woman to pulp with total impunity and did not, I give him a lot of credit. |
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fireweaver
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Location: Somewhere in the great state of Texas.
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| I didnt write the word "lady".....I rewrote what Ali Sina wrote, i.e. b!tch, and either the system or M changed it |
The system changed it. It is not hard to use the word "bitĉh" if you want to.
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Ali Sina
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| Did you see anything stating anyone other than the husband witnessed this? |
Why the husband needs someone else telling him what he saw. He saw it and he found the evidence in her purse. That is enough. Assuming no one else saw it. Does he have to doubt the evidence? It is he who has to live what that woman. He can no longer live with such a cheating woman. I perfectly agree with him as I won't be able to live with a cheating woman either. I am not a cheater and I do not like cheaters.
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B!tch...whore...listen to yourself,you sound like a muslim troll! |
Sorry to hurt your sensitivity, but that is what i think of cheating women (or men). Please do not become defensive. I am simply talking about that Saudi woman and the fact that you can't see my point of view does not make me a troll. There is no point to resort to ad hominem and insults. I have not allowed anyone to insult me and will not tolerate it. I tolerated this before and suddenly everyone jumped on the bandwagon. I learned my lesson. You are most welcome to disagree with me but you are not allowed to insult me.
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Unless I'm mistaken you know neither of these people,but you've already passed judgement on her based on his word alone! And what makes you think I'm a woman? |
They did not come to me to be their judge. The man caught his wife cheating on him and he divorced her the way the law of his country allows him to do. If they were citizens of USA he would have divorced her according to the laws here. Yes the divorce law in SA is draconian. But that is not what we are discussing. We are discussing about a cheating woman and the fact that her husband decided to divorce her. I think he did the right thing and as such I did not see any reason for this news to appear in this forum. This is not about Islam. I would have done the same thing and I am not a Muslim.
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katlike
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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Location: If I told you, it would be a lame game of hide and seek.
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So all we need to do to defeat islam is have some guys start shoving phone numbers into the hands of whatever muslimahs they see, the muslims will go beserk and and it's like perfect birth control. So much for family values. Heck, we can start having woman shove phone numbers into little baby muslimah hands and have their parents kill them off for being baby lesbians. Don't care if she was 4, in the eleoquent words of some people in this thread, stupid b**** takes the paper, she is guilty.
Wow, this thread was an eye opener.
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Ali Sina
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| but is sex between "consenting" adults immoral - sure, many may find it distasteful, but is it immoral? |
Adultery is immoral even if between consenting adults. It is immoral because it violates the sacredness of the family ties and family is the foundation of human society.
Is incest immoral if it happens between adults? Some people think it is not. We have lost our moral compass. This business of "consenting adults" is bullsh!t. It Germany two consenting adults engaged in homosexual activity and then one of them killed the others and consumed his flesh while the victim consented. Where is the limit of this insanity? "Consenting adults" is not the ultimate truth. There are moral and ethical norms that must never be violated even by consenting adults.
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I find it highly amusing that muslims find loving sex between a man and woman so "highly immoral and sinful that they will MURDER the lovers without so much as the blink of an eye" and these same pious muslims claim the moral high ground. |
You are engaging in tu quoque fallacy. I am neither a Muslim nor I agree with what they do. The fact that Muslims are wrong does not make the wrongs of the western world any better.
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