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Sanitarium
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 Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: What do you make of this hadith? |
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| Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 175 wrote: |
Narrated Khalid bin Madan:
That 'Umair bin Al-Aswad Al-Anasi told him that he went to 'Ubada bin As-Samit while he was staying in his house at the sea-shore of Hims with (his wife) Um Haram. 'Umair said. Um Haram informed us that she heard the Prophet saying, "Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition." Um Haram added, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Will I be amongst them?' He replied, 'You are amongst them.' The Prophet then said, 'The first army amongst' my followers who will invade Caesar's City will be forgiven their sins.' I asked, 'Will I be one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' He replied in the negative."
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To me it sounds like bribery!
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Baal
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How dares the sneaky intercessor make such a claim.
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infidel_01
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: Re: What do you make of this hadith? |
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| Sanitarium wrote: |
| Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 175 wrote: |
Narrated Khalid bin Madan:
That 'Umair bin Al-Aswad Al-Anasi told him that he went to 'Ubada bin As-Samit while he was staying in his house at the sea-shore of Hims with (his wife) Um Haram. 'Umair said. Um Haram informed us that she heard the Prophet saying, "Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition." Um Haram added, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Will I be amongst them?' He replied, 'You are amongst them.' The Prophet then said, 'The first army amongst' my followers who will invade Caesar's City will be forgiven their sins.' I asked, 'Will I be one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' He replied in the negative."
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To me it sounds like bribery! |
This further proves that allah is nothing but imaginary friend of pedo mo. 
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piscohot
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: Re: What do you make of this hadith? |
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| Sanitarium wrote: |
| Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 175 wrote: |
Narrated Khalid bin Madan:
That 'Umair bin Al-Aswad Al-Anasi told him that he went to 'Ubada bin As-Samit while he was staying in his house at the sea-shore of Hims with (his wife) Um Haram. 'Umair said. Um Haram informed us that she heard the Prophet saying, "Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition." Um Haram added, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Will I be amongst them?' He replied, 'You are amongst them.' The Prophet then said, 'The first army amongst' my followers who will invade Caesar's City will be forgiven their sins.' I asked, 'Will I be one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' He replied in the negative."
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To me it sounds like bribery! |
To me, it sounds like Muhammad was the one who decides who goes to heaven, not Allah.
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All_Brains
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The other scary thing is Muhammad incredible ability to see and "maybe" decide the future.
This is more than just general prophecy, it's specific and the fact that he was able to answer an impromptu question like that, means to me that he had access to "E'lm Al-Ghayib" - "knowledge of the future & unknown".
P.s; Also Um Haram is a house wife "lady". How many women warriors were recorded in Islam? And if she made the naval force, wouldn't we have heard about her? She would have been the first!
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Agape Love
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: What do you make of this hadith? |
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The way I see it is like this: (in brackets are my comments)
Um Haram heard the Prophet saying, "Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition."
Um Haram said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Will I be amongst them?' (what she meant was, as a woman warrior)
He replied, 'You are amongst them.' (what he meant was, as the ship's cook, cleaner, dish-washer, clothes washer, and all other menial jobs)
The Prophet then said, 'The first army amongst' my followers who will invade Caesar's City will be forgiven their sins.' I asked, 'Will I be one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' He replied in the negative." (ie we need someone to mind the ship)
Did it sounds like bribery?
I think that early muslims go for the loot as the main motivation and the afterlife thing as balm to calm their fears if they were to die in battle. ie the muslims' version of win/win.
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Norm
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When I first saw this I didnt know why specifically they wrote "Rome" but now it makes sense.
So Muhammad is saying anyone who captures Rome and brings it into Muslim hands will have their sins forgiven? If I said such a statement today I'd be put in jail for inciting violence. But nooooo Muhammad was a man of peace! right?
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Sanitarium
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Thanks everyone; I agree; I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who reads it that way!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: What do you make of this hadith? |
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| Sanitarium wrote: |
| Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 175 wrote: |
Narrated Khalid bin Madan:
That 'Umair bin Al-Aswad Al-Anasi told him that he went to 'Ubada bin As-Samit while he was staying in his house at the sea-shore of Hims with (his wife) Um Haram. 'Umair said. Um Haram informed us that she heard the Prophet saying, "Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition." Um Haram added, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Will I be amongst them?' He replied, 'You are amongst them.' The Prophet then said, 'The first army amongst' my followers who will invade Caesar's City will be forgiven their sins.' I asked, 'Will I be one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' He replied in the negative."
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To me it sounds like bribery! |
Exactly
Here is more
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Conquest of India Prior to the Day of Judgment
Ali Al-Timimi
At-Tuwaijiri's Ithaf al-Jama'a, Vol. 1, pp. 365-366
Thawban, radhiAllaahu 'anhu (May Allah be pleased with him), that the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam (May Allah's peace and blessing be upon him), said, "Two groups of my ummah Allah has protected from the hellfire: a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with 'Isa b. Maryam, alayhis salaam (Jesus, May Peace be upon him)." [Reported by Ahmad, an-Nisa'i, and at-Tabarani]
Na'im b. Hammad in al-Fitan reports that Abu Hurayrah, radhiAllaahu 'anhu, said that the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, mentioned India and said, "A group of you will conquer India, Allah will open for them [India] until they come with its kings chained - Allah having forgiven their sins - when they return back [from India], they will find Ibn Maryam in Syria."
While Abu Hurayrah said, "The Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, promised us [the Muslims] the conquest of India. If I was to come across that I will spend my soul and wealth. If I am killed then I am among the best of martyrs. And if I return then I am Abu Hurayrah the freed." [Reported by Ahmad, an-Nisa'i, and al-Hakim]
In another narration reported by Ahmad, Abu Hurayrah says, "I was told by my khalil (trans - beloved), the truthful and believed in, the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, that there will be in this ummah an expedition sent to Sind and Hind (India) ..." The rest of the narration is the same but it has the following addition, "... then I will be released from the Hellfire." At-Tuwaijri remarks this addition explains what is meant by "the freed" above.
Historical background:
Ibn Kathir remarks in al-Bidaya wan-Nihaya, "The Muslims invaded India during the days of Mu'awiya in the year 44 A.H and [great] events transpired then. And [likewise] the mighty and magnificent King Mahmud b. Subuktikin the ruler of Ghazna invaded the lands of India at the turn of the fifth century. He entered India and killed, took captive, [and] enslaved [many]. He took [muc] booty. He entered as-Sumanat (*) and destroyed the great al-Budda which they worship and he stripped it of its jewlery. He then returned [to Ghazna] safe, [Divinely] aided, and victorious."
* as-Sumanat is a costal city where India's scholars, monks, and the idol al-Budda are found.
At-Tuwaijiri remarks that Ibn al-Athir has detailed the campaigns of Mahmud b. Subuktikin in his book al-Kamil fi t-Tarikh.
Who are these? Chinese??
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 180:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "The Hour will not be established till you fight with people wearing shoes made of hair. And the Hour will not be established till you fight with people whose faces look like shields coated with leather. " (Abu Huraira added, "They will be) small-eyed, flat nosed, and their faces will look like shields coated with leather.")
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Islam was nothing but war-plan of muHAMmad.
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Sanitarium
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Yes, he's giving the Muslims "self-fulfilling Prophecies".
Before Judgement day will come you have to do this, this this this this, etc...
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Zilam
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Doesn't the book of Revelation talk about Rome falling?
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kenner
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Norm wrote: |
When I first saw this I didnt know why specifically they wrote "Rome" but now it makes sense.
So Muhammad is saying anyone who captures Rome and brings it into Muslim hands will have their sins forgiven? If I said such a statement today I'd be put in jail for inciting violence. But nooooo Muhammad was a man of peace! right? |
Well, it doesn't actually say that they have to capture Rome, only that members of the first Muslim army to invade Rome will be forgiven their sins.
Of course, the first Muslim army invaded and sacked Rome in 846. They arrived in a fleet at the mouth of the Tiber and then made their way to Rome where they sacked the city and ripped everything out of the basilica of St Peter (which contained absolutely breathtaking amounts of silver and gold).
In 847 -- a year after the attack -- the pope began construction of the Leonine walls [vatican perimeter walls]. These walls were about 12 metres high and included 44 towers. Traces of the walls remain, and they were built to defend the See of St Peter against Islamic jihad.
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ibnishaq
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: What do you make of this hadith? |
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| Sanitarium wrote: |
| Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 175 wrote: |
Narrated Khalid bin Madan:
That 'Umair bin Al-Aswad Al-Anasi told him that he went to 'Ubada bin As-Samit while he was staying in his house at the sea-shore of Hims with (his wife) Um Haram. 'Umair said. Um Haram informed us that she heard the Prophet saying, "Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition." Um Haram added, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Will I be amongst them?' He replied, 'You are amongst them.' The Prophet then said, 'The first army amongst' my followers who will invade Caesar's City will be forgiven their sins.' I asked, 'Will I be one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' He replied in the negative."
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To me it sounds like bribery! |
where is ceasars city? rome? was it conquered? was um haram one of them who conquered?
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