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nomad
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| After all these years, NOT ONE reputable engineering/architectural/construction/demolition firm in the world have stepped forward to perform their own independent investigation. Why not? May be upon even a cursory examination, they dare not risk their technical reputations? If Bush agreed to this and if the results are still the same, you and your loony ilk would start at square one calling for another 'independent' investigation' anyway. |
How come they carry out their own independent investigation without the permission and cooperation from Bush administration who seized, hid and destroyed the evidence. |
Here is one such independent investigation for you.
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/
Now if Purdue University can do it, so can any of your muslim run universities. Ohh wait a minute...They are all too busy churning out 'Islamic Studies' degrees to do any real scientific and engineering investigation.
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| Would you mind revealing where you got this copy/paste materials? Anyway...Who are these 'investigators'? Where is it required in any aviation disaster that EVERY piece of debris be photographed? |
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| Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army ~ "Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." |
Old news...Rokke is not an aviation 'expert' by any stretch. His specialty was radiation.
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| Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force, Office of the Secretary of Defense, staff of the Director of the National Security Agency ~ "It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics...There was a derth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked Pentagon, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage one would expect from the impact of a large airliner... this visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the Sec of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slamed into the Pentagon as a ' missile ' ... I saw nothing of significance at the point of contact ~ no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon .. all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected was not evident .. the same is true with regard to the damage we expected .. but I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 0r 40 minutes, with the roof remaining relatively straight .. The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would have expected if a missile had struck the Pentagon " |
The fuselage diameter of a 757 is barely 15ft across. By commenting that she found it odd that the hole is 'no larger than 20 feet in diameter', the colonel is making the classic mistake of including the vertical stabilator, aka the rudder or the tail, which rises about 45 ft in height, which would have been sheared off the moment it made contact with re-enforced concrete. This error rendered the rest of the colonel's opinion suspect. How many airliner crashes have she observed in a technical position? You would think that given how many aircraft crashes are there in the world, it is rather odd that so far the most adamant believers that no aircraft impacted the Pentagon comes from those whose credentials DO NOT include aviation accident investigations. Why is that?
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| Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, Barbara Honegger, MS ~ "The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC 2, and in WTC 7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11...A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, high-speed 270-degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the "Friendly" signal needed to disable the Pentagon's anti-aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building...Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system" |
That is absurd. As someone who has experience in avionics, the Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) signal do not 'disable' anything, especially ground based weapons system.
As for the 'anti-aircraft missile batteries'...
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/10/ar911.air.defense/
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| For the first time since the Cuban missile crisis almost 40 years ago, armed missile launchers will be protecting the nation's capital by day's end Tuesday -- a precaution that comes amid a heightened alert status on the eve of the one-year anniversary of the September 11 attacks. |
You read it correct. Missile launchers were not placed in Washington DC until one year AFTER the attack. SO HOW THE HELL CAN AN IFF SIGNAL 'DISABLE' SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER THERE?
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| Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army, U.S. Army Intelligence Officer ~ "I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. ... [A]nomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers' names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC 1 and 2...and WTC7...not hit by an airplane...the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon" |
The hijackers' names were not published among the passenger lists for an obvious reason -- they were terrorists. The BBC reports? The German magazine Der Spiegel debunked the 'hijackers are alive' myth a long time ago...
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,265160-2,00.html
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Take the BBC, for example, which did in fact report, on September 23, 2001, that some of the alleged terrorists were alive and healthy and had protested their being named as assassins.
But there is one wrinkle. The BBC journalist responsible for the story only recalls this supposed sensation after having been told the date on which the story aired. "No, we did not have any videotape or photographs of the individuals in question at that time," he says, and tells us that the report was based on articles in Arab newspapers, such as the Arab News, an English-language Saudi newspaper.
The operator at the call center has the number for the Arab News on speed dial. We make a call to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. A few seconds later, Managing Editor John Bradley is on the line. When we tell Bradley our story, he snorts and says: "That's ridiculous! People here stopped talking about that a long time ago."
Bradley tells us that at the time his reporters did not speak directly with the so-called "survivors," but instead combined reports from other Arab papers. These reports, says Bradley, appeared at a time when the only public information about the attackers was a list of names that had been published by the FBI on September 14th. The FBI did not release photographs until four days after the cited reports, on September 27th.
The photographs quickly resolved the nonsense about surviving terrorists. According to Bradley, "all of this is attributable to the chaos that prevailed during the first few days following the attack. What we're dealing with are coincidentally identical names." In Saudi Arabia, says Bradley, the names of two of the allegedly surviving attackers, Said al-Ghamdi and Walid al-Shari, are "as common as John Smith in the United States or Great Britain."
The final explanation is provided by the newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat, one of the sources of Arab News, which in turn serves as a source to the BBC. Mohammed Samman is the name of the reporter who interviewed a man named Said al-Ghamdi in Tunis, only to find that al-Ghamdi was quite horrified to discover his name on the FBI list of assassins.
Samman remembers his big story well. "That was a wonderful story," he says. And that's all it was. It had nothing to do with the version made up of Bröckers' and Bülow's combined fantasies.
"The problem," says Samman, "was that after the first FBI list had been published, CNN released a photo of the pilot Said al-Ghamdi that had been obtained from the files of those Saudi pilots who had at some point received official flight training in the United States."
After Samman's story was reported by the news agencies, he was contacted by CNN. "I gave them Ghamdi's telephone number. The CNN people talked to the pilot and apologized profusely. The whole thing was quite obviously a mix-up. The Ghamdi family is one of the largest families in Saudi Arabia, and there are thousands of men named Said al-Ghamdi."
When we ask Samman to take another look at the FBI's list of photographs, he is more than happy to oblige, and tells us: "The Ghamdi on the photo is not the pilot with whom I spoke." |
Note the last sentence...Samman spoke to the man who shared the same name with one of the terrorists in the FBI's line-up -- al-Ghamdi -- and basically said there are two men with the same name. Nothing so sinister about it except for an unfortunate coincidence.
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| http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml |
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| I'm afraid copying and pasting url wouldn't help make you look smart, in fact the opposite |
But in this case it does make me look smarter than you because it showed a definitive debunking of probably the most important element of the 'no aircraft at Pentagon' loony theory -- the engine of a 757 -- and you cannot get any more definitive than that. The fact that you basically called me stupid for posting that link tells the world that what it contained is over your head and that this issue in general is over your head.
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| Why should those photos be removed? They serve as a repository of information for the public. |
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| What do you mean by that? Are you saying that they are there as a repository for the gullible? : ) |
Nope...So independent journalists like the ones from Der Spiegel can make fools out of the truly gullible -- the muslims.
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Here is one such independent investigation for you.
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/
Now if Purdue University can do it, so can any of your muslim run universities. Ohh wait a minute...They are all too busy churning out 'Islamic Studies' degrees to do any real scientific and engineering investigation. |
Yasnov, there is no Islamic University with an engineering program one half as advanced as Purdue.
You seem to forget that an engineering program ran by the Muslims will never be cutting edge.
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Here is one such independent investigation for you.
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/
Now if Purdue University can do it, so can any of your muslim run universities. Ohh wait a minute...They are all too busy churning out 'Islamic Studies' degrees to do any real scientific and engineering investigation. |
Yasnov, there is no Islamic University with an engineering program one half as advanced as Purdue.
You seem to forget that an engineering program ran by the Muslims will never be cutting edge. |
I understand that their explosive chemistry programs are world class.
Bah dum pah, ka-ching.
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Here is one such independent investigation for you.
Now if Purdue University can do it, so can any of your muslim run universities. Ohh wait a minute...They are all too busy churning out 'Islamic Studies' degrees to do any real scientific and engineering investigation. |
SCHOLARS FOR 911 TRUTH, PRESS RELEASE March 2007 - SCHOLARS FILE CHALLENGES TO 9/11 NIST Reports. Madison, WI (PRWEB) March 30, 2007 – Some members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth...have filed complaints against the National Institute of Standards and Technology for legal defects in its studies of events of 9/11 involving the Twin Towers and Building 7. James H. Fetzer, the society’s founder, believes these actions have the potential to break the back of the cover-up that has enveloped these events. “It would be nice if the government would tell us the truth about our own history,” Fetzer said. “But all we get from the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State and former Secretary of Defense is a ‘song and dance’ that keeps the American people in ignorance.” The complaints have been filed by Ed Hass, who edits The Muckraker Report; Morgan Reynolds, past Chief Economist in the Department of Labor in the Bush administration; and Judy Wood, former professor of mechanical engineering at Clemson University. Reynolds & Wood are both members of the society. The complaints (copied below)fall into three categories--archived & available to the public at www.ocio.os.doc.gov/ITPolicyandPrograms/InformationQuality/PROD01002619
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| Old news...Rokke is not an aviation 'expert' by any stretch. His specialty was radiation. |
All what he said is: "Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile."
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| How many airliner crashes have she observed in a technical position? You would think that given how many aircraft crashes are there in the world, it is rather odd that so far the most adamant believers that no aircraft impacted the Pentagon comes from those whose credentials DO NOT include aviation accident investigations. Why is that? |
He said "there was a derth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked Pentagon, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage one would expect from the impact of a large airliner"
The link does not say that there was no any anti-missile defense system in the Pentagon
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| The hijackers' names were not published among the passenger lists for an obvious reason -- they were terrorists. |
Are you saying that the airlines officials have prior knowledge that the hijackers were terrorist so that they didn't include their names on the orginal passenger manifest?
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| Note the last sentence...Samman spoke to the man who shared the same name with one of the terrorists in the FBI's line-up -- al-Ghamdi -- and basically said there are two men with the same name. Nothing so sinister about it except for an unfortunate coincidence. |
I can understand if it's same name, but it's same photos.
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| But in this case it does make me look smarter than you because it showed a definitive debunking of probably the most important element of the 'no aircraft at Pentagon' loony theory -- the engine of a 757 -- and you cannot get any more definitive than that. |
Yes ... look smarter ... but not really smarter ....
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| Nope...So independent journalists like the ones from Der Spiegel can make fools out of the truly gullible -- the muslims. |
Since the FBI haven't removed their photos, does it mean they have no clue until now who were the actual hijackers on that plane ?
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| Yasnov, there is no Islamic University with an engineering program one half as advanced as Purdue. |
Just for your information, Purdue's short animation, actually contradicts many of the government’s official conspiracy theory. It even negates the official stance taken by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).
Wassalam,
Yasnov
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Here is one such independent investigation for you.
Now if Purdue University can do it, so can any of your muslim run universities. Ohh wait a minute...They are all too busy churning out 'Islamic Studies' degrees to do any real scientific and engineering investigation. |
SCHOLARS FOR 911 TRUTH, PRESS RELEASE March 2007 - SCHOLARS FILE CHALLENGES TO 9/11 NIST Reports. Madison, WI (PRWEB) March 30, 2007 – Some members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth...have filed complaints against the National Institute of Standards and Technology for legal defects in its studies of events of 9/11 involving the Twin Towers and Building 7. James H. Fetzer, the society’s founder, believes these actions have the potential to break the back of the cover-up that has enveloped these events. “It would be nice if the government would tell us the truth about our own history,” Fetzer said. “But all we get from the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State and former Secretary of Defense is a ‘song and dance’ that keeps the American people in ignorance.” The complaints have been filed by Ed Hass, who edits The Muckraker Report; Morgan Reynolds, past Chief Economist in the Department of Labor in the Bush administration; and Judy Wood, former professor of mechanical engineering at Clemson University. Reynolds & Wood are both members of the society. The complaints (copied below)fall into three categories--archived & available to the public at www.ocio.os.doc.gov/ITPolicyandPrograms/InformationQuality/PROD01002619 |
The link is dead. Another example of your sloppy homework. Further, a 'complaint' does not qualify as an investigation. The question for the muslims remains -- Why is it that after all these years, NOT ONE muslim financed investigation have occurred? All that oil wealth they cannot spare a few 757s/767s to crash into a couple of buildings? After all, that is what Fetzer actually proposed.
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| Old news...Rokke is not an aviation 'expert' by any stretch. His specialty was radiation. |
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| All what he said is: "Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." |
That is correct. That was all he did -- opined. An opinion, even by an expert in the field, be it nuclear physics or aviation, does not qualify as proof. The major should have known better, but YOU are too gullible and desperate to see it.
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| How many airliner crashes have she observed in a technical position? You would think that given how many aircraft crashes are there in the world, it is rather odd that so far the most adamant believers that no aircraft impacted the Pentagon comes from those whose credentials DO NOT include aviation accident investigations. Why is that? |
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| He said "there was a derth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked Pentagon, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage one would expect from the impact of a large airliner" |
See above.
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| The link does not say that there was no any anti-missile defense system in the Pentagon |
Are you really that stupid? If the article informed that a defense mechanism was installed for the FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS that mean there were none for the last 40 years.
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| The hijackers' names were not published among the passenger lists for an obvious reason -- they were terrorists. |
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| Are you saying that the airlines officials have prior knowledge that the hijackers were terrorist so that they didn't include their names on the orginal passenger manifest? |
No...The published list does not include them.
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| Note the last sentence...Samman spoke to the man who shared the same name with one of the terrorists in the FBI's line-up -- al-Ghamdi -- and basically said there are two men with the same name. Nothing so sinister about it except for an unfortunate coincidence. |
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| I can understand if it's same name, but it's same photos. |
Wrong...Samman stated that it was NOT the same man. Show me your source that the FBI photo is the same as the man who protested that he was not a hijacker, that mean I want to see a news article showing the man being interviewed, with his published photo, proving his innocence.
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| But in this case it does make me look smarter than you because it showed a definitive debunking of probably the most important element of the 'no aircraft at Pentagon' loony theory -- the engine of a 757 -- and you cannot get any more definitive than that. |
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| Yes ... look smarter ... but not really smarter .... |
Kid...This is an anonymous Internet forum and what you post is a reflection of what you are. After a while, people can tell.
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| Nope...So independent journalists like the ones from Der Spiegel can make fools out of the truly gullible -- the muslims. |
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| Since the FBI haven't removed their photos, does it mean they have no clue until now who were the actual hijackers on that plane ? |
No...It means we have their physical IDs but not their true names. That much was even admitted by the FBI and independently confirmed by Der Spiegel journalists.
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| Yasnov, there is no Islamic University with an engineering program one half as advanced as Purdue. |
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Just for your information, Purdue's short animation, actually contradicts many of the government’s official conspiracy theory. It even negates the official stance taken by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).
Wassalam,
Yasnov |
Please show how.
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Nomad your patience with the repetitive nonsense that has been spewed on here by serial DENIER and Anak Kampung and madrassa graduate Yasnov is commendable. He pathetically grabs at any straw he can and blindly accepts and swallows hook, line and sinker any conspiracy gobbledegook he reads and of course at the same time rejects the clear and certain proofs that you furnish him with. That much is blindingly obvious by reading his posts and the sites he uses for reference.
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| Nomad your patience with the repetitive nonsense that has been spewed on here by serial DENIER and Anak Kampung and madrassa graduate Yasnov is commendable. He pathetically grabs at any straw he can and blindly accepts and swallows hook, line and sinker any conspiracy gobbledegook he reads and of course at the same time rejects the clear and certain proofs that you furnish him with. That much is blindingly obvious by reading his posts and the sites he uses for reference. |
All he is doing is making it clearer and clearer to the world of the desperation, ignorance and gullibility of the muslims, one post at a time, and I have no problems with patience in accommodating him.
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| The link is dead. Another example of your sloppy homework. |
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2007/3/emw515165.htm
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| That is correct. That was all he did -- opined. |
His opinions are substantiated by facts.
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| Are you really that stupid? If the article informed that a defense mechanism was installed for the FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS that mean there were none for the last 40 years. |
So, there is no any air defense at all at Pentagon?
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| No...The published list does not include them. |
Zionist slave, I'm talking bout the orginal passenger manifest
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| Wrong...Samman stated that it was NOT the same man. Show me your source that the FBI photo is the same as the man who protested that he was not a hijacker, that mean I want to see a news article showing the man being interviewed, with his published photo, proving his innocence. |
The photo published by the FBI is of the living Salem Alhazmi, who has never been to the US.
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| No...It means we have their physical IDs but not their true names. That much was even admitted by the FBI and independently confirmed by Der Spiegel journalists. |
So, it means they don't know if the hijackers were Saudis or Israelis?
Wassalam,
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How pathetic, for James Fetzer and for YOU. Let us see what this educated idiot has to say. From your link above...
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| "NIST, of course, claims that it was the impact of the aircraft and the jet-fuel based fires, which caused the steel to weaken and bring about a collapse," Fetzer said. "But the buildings were designed to withstand such occurrences and the steel had been certified by UL to 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit for several hours without weakening. The fires only burned around 500 degrees for less than an hour (in the case of WTC-2) and an hour-and-a-half (in the case of WTC-2), so NIST really doesn't even reach the point at which a 'collapse' of any kind would be 'initiated.' The situation is quite remarkable." |
...Underwriter's Laboratory PUBLICLY stated they do NOT perform any certification of construction steel...
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Kevin-R-Ryan22nov04.htm
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Underwriters Laboratories Inc., according to Ryan, "was the company that certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings."
Ryan wrote that last year, while "requesting information," UL's chief executive officer and fire protection business manager disagreed about key issues surrounding the collapse, "except for one thing — that the samples we certified met all requirements."
UL vehemently denied last week that it ever certified the materials.
"UL does not certify structural steel, such as the beams, columns and trusses used in World Trade Center," said Paul M. Baker, the company's spokesman.
Ryan was fired, Baker said, because he "expressed his own opinions as though they were institutional opinions and beliefs of UL." |
Fetzer's comment and the refutation of it, is old news.
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| That is correct. That was all he did -- opined. |
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| His opinions are substantiated by facts. |
Bullsh!t...He provided NONE. Try again.
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| Are you really that stupid? If the article informed that a defense mechanism was installed for the FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS that mean there were none for the last 40 years. |
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| So, there is no any air defense at all at Pentagon? |
No, there are none. The Pentagon is largely an administrative building, a place where general policies for the military and the defense of the country is formulated, but NOT where war plans are created. If the Pentagon is destroyed tomorrow, the US military will not collapse as the actual operational plannings of how the services will conduct a war are done by the services' theater commanders outside of the Pentagon. The most we will suffer is a lot of lost paperwork. However, as of today, as the news item I provided, things have changed.
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| No...The published list does not include them. |
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| Zionist slave, I'm talking bout the orginal passenger manifest |
Muslim idiot...
 
 
These photocopies were presented as evidences in the Zacarias Moussaoui trial. Although not very good photocopies, you can make out your muslims brothers names. Now if I can find AA 11's and AA 77's, your homework, kid, is to find the others.
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| Wrong...Samman stated that it was NOT the same man. Show me your source that the FBI photo is the same as the man who protested that he was not a hijacker, that mean I want to see a news article showing the man being interviewed, with his published photo, proving his innocence. |
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| The photo published by the FBI is of the living Salem Alhazmi, who has never been to the US. |
Der Spiegel journalists proved you wrong. Read the links provided.
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| No...It means we have their physical IDs but not their true names. That much was even admitted by the FBI and independently confirmed by Der Spiegel journalists. |
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So, it means they don't know if the hijackers were Saudis or Israelis?
Wassalam,
Yasnov |
Anyone of any nationality can take a name common to another nationality. That was a stupid comment from you.
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An excellent SolidWorks simulation of AA 77's impact on the Pentagon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8
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Zeitgeist
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: |
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He says "excellent", I say he is easily pleased 
Very nice animation and FICTIONAL depiction of the Pentagon 9/11 by SolidWorks. Right up there with the Finding Nemo CGI, now let's do a bit of SIMPLE research on this company:
http://www.solidworks.com/pages/company/companyprofile.html
Interesting:
SolidWorks
Founded
December 1993
Was taken over by Dassault Systemes in 1997
Ownership
Acquired in 1997 by Dassault Systemes S.A. (Nasdaq: DASTY; Euronext Paris: #13065, DSY.PA; www.3DS.com) based in Suresnes, France, the leading global developer of product lifecycle management (PLM) solutions.
Frank Schrontz is the CEO of Dassault Systemes ...
http://www.bernard-charles.com/Bernard_Charles.html
"In 1986, Bernard Charlès notched one of Dassault Systemes' biggest accomplishments when he convinced Boeing Company Chairman Frank Schrontz to choose CATIA as the design platform for Boeing's next-generation 777 jetliner. The 777 became the first airplane designed and prototyped entirely on a digital system, with no physical prototypes."
google Frank Schrontz :
http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter89.htm
CORPORATE FASCISM
By Lynn Stuter
May 2, 2006
NewsWithViews.com
"No better example of this exists than the New American Schools Development Corporation (NASDC), founded under the auspices of the GHW Bush Administration back in the early 1990’s. NASDC brought together multi-million dollar corporation CEOs to accomplish the “thorough-going redesign of America’s schools.” The participants were a who’s who among corporate leaders: James K Baker, Chairman and CEO of Arvin Industries, Inc; Louis V Gerstner, Jr, Chairman and CEO of RJR Nabisco, Inc; Frank Schrontz, Chairman and CEO of The Boeing Company; W Frank Blount, President and Chief Executive Officer, Group Executive, Communication Products of AT&T; Robert E Allen, Chairman and CEO, AT&T; Norman R Augustine, Chairman and CEO of Martin Marietta Corporation; John L Clendenin, Chairman and CEO of Bellsouth Corporation; Earl G Graves, CEO and Publisher of Black Enterprise Magazine; John R Hall, Chairman and CEO of Ashland Oil, Inc; James R Jones, Chairman and CEO of the American Stock Exchange; John D Ong, Chairman of BF Goodrich Company; James J Renier, Chairman and CEO of Honeywell, Inc; Linda J Wachner, President and CEO of WARNACO; Stanley A Weiss, Chairman and CEO of Ralstan Trading and Development Corporation; Kay R Whitmore, Chairman, President and CEO of Eastman Kodak."
meanwhile back to SolidWorks own company profile statements on one of its many produts available:
"Data Management software - the fully integrated product data management (PDM) solutions available from SolidWorks enhance communication and streamline work processes. These solutions offer capabilities such as secure vaulting of product data and detailed process auditing to reduce engineering costs and deliver products more quickly. SolidWorks PDM offerings: "
I conclude he owed his NASDC mate Bush a favour, and although such a pretty presentation, probably came too quickly (cost cutting does this you see) (you know to reduce costs and the such).
** nomad ** is a paid disinformationist, there are many like this one around, paid to spread disinformation, and "debunk" cold hard facts. 9/11 is one of the most important "reasons" why so much hatred aimed at "them evil muslims", never forget these disinformationists use this is their manifest to repeat over and over why we must "destroy them evil muslims" "at all costs". Yet if this crime (9/11) is ever fully exposed to the truth, these agendas of these paid disinformationists will fail. There are MANY MANY HOLES in the "official 9/11 story". So keep asking questions, keep searching for the real truth. They are failing, we are winning, more false flags will happen to turn attention away from uncovering their lies, yet we will prevail.
I'm watching YOU,
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nomad
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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What an idiot...
The video was produced by Integrated Consultants, an engineering firm USING SolidWorks software, not that SolidWorks produced that video. Now the moron is saying that SolidWorks made their software to design airliners but if any of them were hijacked and crashed into buildings, anyone using the softwares in forensic engineering will be misled.
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nomad
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: |
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An LCT (Loony Conspiracy Theorist) gave Chretien a 'Truth' disc and the former PM used it as a coaster. Of course, the subtle insult was lost on the LCT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ell3FKcM9ws
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nomad
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Since the read counts have been increasing, I am assuming that this thread is useful to some people. Continuing the ridiculous claim that the original passenger manifests does not contains the names of the terrorists, which is most likely stolen IDs, the LCTs have been using the airlines' published lists of VICTIMS as 'proofs'. So far AA11's and AA77's original passenger manifests are posted and the terrorists' IDs are visible, and here are 175's and 93's original passengers manifests...
...For those who are interested.
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La Ilaha
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:39 am Post subject: |
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lol;This crap is still going on.
May be first post in this topic was referred to the physicZERO mullahs & allah ass kissing pseudo-atheists.
Time to rewind
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47929&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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