Fatwa: Three Christian priests told to leave Jammu and Kashmir
1/24/2012
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All Saints Church - The Target of the Fatwa
The arrogance of Muslims is beyond reason. Muslims cannot stand any competition to the teachings of Islam. Anyone who declares leaving the Islamic religion is declared apostate. The punishment is the death penalty.
Muhammad, the prophet of Islam himself said if a Muslim leaves Islam, Kill Him.
Narrated Ikrima: Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ ”
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260
In our age, where Muslims are majority, they try to apply some draconian rules to prevent honest free thinkers who see the evils of Islam from leaving that cult of death. This time the news is from India..
India: Three Priests to leave Jammu and Kashmir, Muslim Fatwa says
SRINAGAR: A self-styled Sharia court in Srinagar on Thursday issued a fatwa asking three Christian priests to leave Jammu & Kashmir for “luring the Valley’s Muslims to Christianity”. The fatwa also directed the state government to take over the management of Christian schools in J&K, besides monitoring church activities.
The outrageous edict follows last November’s arrest of pastor M C Khanna of All Saints Church in Srinagar.
According to Nasir-ul-Islam, deputy to grand Mufti Bashiruddin, four Christian priests are involved in luring Kashmiri Muslim youth to convert to Christianity. “Punjabi MC Khanna, Dutch national, Jim Borst, and Gayoor Messah were told to leave the Valley for their involvement in conversions. Case against the principal of Tyndale Biscoe School, Parvez Samuel Koul, is under investigation. A judgment will announced in due course,” said Naib Mufti Nasir-ul-Islam. Besides the decree, Sharia court asked the government to involve itself with the management of missionary schools.
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Islam:- Direct from the bowel of hell….
Muhammad:- Curse be upon him
Islam is the pig excreta. Mohammad is the pig and allah is? I get it qrandic pig crap
In his Autobiography India's first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru wrote this,
' While keeping my indian people poor and hungry Hinduism and Islam has also made them violent '
Nehru was a man out of touch with reality living in a dreamers world. When China attacked India he was rudely jolted back to reality. He was a Muslim sympathizer and thought that he can appease them by wagging his tail.
Funny how them Muslims can invade Catholic Ireland and do wotever they want but Catholics are not tolerated on muslim soil such as kashmir.
Wonder why Allah is so afraid of Catholicism?
Allah is nothing but simply a devil and muhammad is the messenger of satan.
irishjenn_ as ireland is a RC dominated country muslims cannot invade your country but the truth is irish catolics are they themselves converted to islam because they like islam and its principle. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me6xr_ZHnMI_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pAkJkTDAx4&feature=related_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FquoktePG0c&feature=related
irishjenn47,
Frankly, what is stopping England and Ireland from banning Islam and the entry of unwanted immigrants? Instead Britain and USA used to preach to India on how to make peace with Islamic Pakistan, when India complained of terrorist activities of Pakistan in Kashmir..Now Britain and USA are learning where the shoe pinches.
This is a brilliant comment!
USA and Britian is the root of disease of islam. Islam promotes while they support.
Bloody USA supported Pakistan against India !! Now they are waking up !!!
Catholics like Irishjenn47 are retards of extraordinary class.
I need to ask this question from the editor of FFI
Richard Dawkins in his international best seller 'God Delusion' mentions this website faithfreedom.org as a reference for readers. And we must remember that Dawkins in his book launches very sensible attacks on all religions and not just islam. Yes he has an entire chapter where he attacks islam by begining with this verse.
' You dont have to go any further to see how intolerant islam is. All you need to do is walk on your street and see how islam covers its women in cloth and oppresses them'
Very well said Richard. And he spares no religion in that wonderful book. He takes us into the dark and dangerous world of Hinduism , Buddhism and its equally intollerant followers.
When this great man Richard Dawkins has the courage and honesty to inform his readers that they need to log on to FFI why does FFI not allow people such as meself who are Atheists/Catholics to attack Hindu and Buddhism on this forum the way I attack islam?
Maybe because Hinduism and Buddhism are peaceful and tolerant religions in theory and practice. Do read and learn scriptures of these religions before you accuse them of intolerance.
@Irishjenn, if it eases your depression n are not healed by d power of ‘holly Ghost’ you may attack other religions. Remember, moderator is sitting with a whip
Dear irishjenn47, this is a Islam centric website. We should not involve any other religion in here other than to compare and contrast with Islam.
If you want to bash Hinduism, Buddhism, Chritianity, Judaism, Shintoism, or any other -ism, then I am sure you will find other sites/forums if you look hard enough. :p
Sadly the only thing surprising here is how little this is "news".
It's just normative behaviour for Muslim dominated areas.
And I guarantee it won't make the Western (mainstream) Media.
Both these verses lay down the principle that one is guaranteed freedom of faith and conscience. There is no question of any compulsion in the matter of belief. In fact this is very important principle because for genuine faith one has to choose it freely. In other words faith goes with freedom of choice. Most of us believe in this or that faith not because we have chosen it freely but as we have accepted it by way of our birth. But those who adopt this or that faith by deeper study and of free choice their belief is far better qualitatively.
There are other verses in the Qur’an which negate coercion or compulsion. The Qur’an greatly stresses freedom of choice for genuine faith. For example in the verse 49:14 it becomes quite clear. When some Bedouins became Muslims and called it aamanna (i.e. accepted faith), Qur’an said no they have not accepted faith but have only submitted (aslamna). The whole verse (49:14) is as follows: “The dwellers of the desert say: We believe. Say: you believe not, but say, We submit; and faith has not yet entered into your hearts. These Bedouins had submitted (i.e. accepted Islam) impressed by victories of Islam but had not become genuine believers as iman (faith) had not really entered their hearts. One can become true believer only when faith enters ones heart and that can happen only by exercise of genuine freedom, not because of social pressure or coercion or convenience.
The Qur’an proved very right: many dwellers of desert (Bedouins) had submitted to Islam and genuine faith had not entered their hearts and so when the Prophet (PBUH) died they thought Islam had lost its power and went back to their old faith. It is referred to riddah (going back) in the history of Islam. The Caliph Abu Bakr declared war against them which is called war of riddah i.e. war against those who went back on their faith.
This clearly shows that if one accepts faith out of some social compulsion can never genuinely and firmly believe. At the first opportunity such a person will renounce his/her faith, which is adopted out of some compulsion. Now the war of riddah was not a religious but a political act. Many people had renounced Islam collectively and it had created instability and turmoil in the nascent Islamic society. It was a serious threat to social order. It was not a punishment for a person renouncing faith. Thus it was not an act of a person but a political rebellion, which called for political action to stabilise the nascent society. If it had not been put down it would have not only shaken the very foundation but would have restored pre-Islamic tribal order and shattered the unity created by Islam. The tribals were also refusing to pay zakat, which was the very foundation of Islamic finances and treasury of the state.
The Qur’an, however, does not accept the principle of coercion in matters of faith. There are several verses to this effect in the Qur’an. Allah clearly says in the Qur’an that it was not difficult for Allah to make all unbelievers believe but Allah left it to their choice. Thus Qur’an says: “If Allah had pleased they would not have set up (other gods with Him). And We have not appointed thee a keeper over them (hafeez), and thou art not laced in charge of them (vakeel)” (6:108)
Thus Qur’an tells the Prophet (PBUH) not to worry if they (unbelievers) do not believe. He is not responsible for it and it is not difficult for Allah to make all of them believe. But Allah has given all reason, eyes and ears and it is for them to decide whether to believe or not to believe. If they are coerced into believing then they will not be responsible for their actions. It would be sheer determination (jabr) and Allah cannot punish them for their unbelief.
Hey Shabby u still here. I thought u had sprinted to the nearest Jewish doctor to get the islmic tumour removed from your skull. Mate u better do it fast. One more thing Shabby im sure whatever you post here are not from your skull. Someone like zaki naik is using the name Shabby to post this. Shabby your Taqqiya is not going to work. If u think u smart me knows me smarter than u. You get that?
Main point here, Shabeer, as you state is that the "Riddah wars" against Bedouin apostates were the very first wars conducted by Abu Bakr.
There is no evidence in history that the apostate Bedouin were going to attack the "nascent Islamic society", rather they just wanted to be left alone to live as they previously had. That they refused to pay Zakat is not surprising, after all Zakat is an "Islamic religious tax" and they were no longer Muslim.
Thus once again what we see is that Islam does not tolerate apostasy and kills the apostates – even to the extent of destroying entire tribes (genocide).
You claim this "was not a religious but a political act", but that is a meaningless statement since Islam acknowledges no separation of religion and politics and your defence of the Riddah wars falls on this key point alone.
Shabeer, for a moment i will assume your theory on disruption of social order because of people leaving islam…how can these 10 people who called it quits disrupt order when there are millions of you out there? or is it that your faith is so weak?
also, saudi arabia, which is seat of islam has made apostasy a crime and they say their consitution is islamic? did those scholars interpret islam incorrectly and it is only you who has understood the real meaning?
Shabeer, who has time to read such super-lengthy posts? Wise men say if you can't make your point in a few short lines then you don't know what you are talking about. So keep it short, like this –
"Since Muhammad didn't even know that Earth is round like a ball, he cannot be messenger of God".
Also shabeer, talking about disrupting social order…arent muslims doing the same in every country in the world by propagating islam and disrupting social order?
'With or without religion the good will do good while the bad will be bad. But it takes religion to make a good person do bad things'
(Thomas Paine)
All your comments will be deleted. Start writing your own instead of copy pasting nonsense
Great job and now let us see how this shabby fellow can in the first place think and then translate that the garbage thinking in to comprehensible english and then post.My god this fellow is worse than allah and mohammad put together in filling the web space with gibberish
Well there wont be any more comments from Shabeer, all he knows is (Ctrl+C) & (Ctrl+V).
thank mod for deleting this idiot's comments. now i dont need 2 scroll past the long loooong essays of shab,
Shabeer,
Will you please do me a favour and stop posting JUNK. Because it's damn annoying when I see wot you write. Long diatribes of muck with Hinglish that noone can understand mate
Meanwhile Indian government is angry over Jay Leno joke on Mit Romeny using Hindus Temple
And more than 99% Indians don't know who Mit Romeny is and what joke he cracked. Indian govt is just doing the balancing act as it has just faced a lot of criticism over Salman rushdie episode. You know, how politics works!
You are wrong. 99.999 % Indians do not know Mit Romney. Mit Romney is not a president. Indians staying in India who haven't heard about Mit Romney would be 99.999%. I am giving a benefit of doubt. The actual figure should be 99.9999%.
WTF is Mit Romney?
now this is the first time i'm hearing mit romney. i have google abt him. i'm sure many indians dont know him. by the way is he a guy?
Muslims like to quote Quran which is the incoherent outbursts of an illiterate man named Mohammad who attributed them to Pre-Islamic Pagan god Allah.It speaks with the FORK TONGUE.It is also repetative with no wisdom in it.It has no credibility what so ever and it tries to seek its legitimacy in the Bible and even in the Hindu scriptures.It is like a stool which stands on one leg and that is violence or violent blasphemy laws.Take that leg out and it collapses.No wonder the Muslims feel so insecure.Islam came with the sword,It spread and has survived so far with the sword and it is going to disappear with the sword.Internet is one form of sword which is destroying Islam.
I am an Indian hindu.
When a website specifically says not to drag other religion except Islam, people do that, there is nothing to be said.
Regardless of any merits or demerits of other religions, you are not supposed to deliberately vilify other religions excpet Islam here.
It seems Elmore and Irishjenn47 are 'I am the best' class. Well, muslims too think that. Everybody thinks in their own way.
I am an Indian Christian. You are wrong here mate. Christians are not averse to criticism. All around the globe you can see people writing good/bad things about Christianity. You are lucky that you are not a Muslim or else you might be beheaded for speaking against Islam.
Please read what I wrote. Point out how I am "wrong".
Soul, if you are an Indian than you must be aware of the fact that criticism is not new to Hinduism. It started way back 2500 years ago. Goutam Budhha was a severe critic of the vedas. In recent times Dr. Ambedkar criticized Hinduism severely. Though I am not a hindu, I admire them for their tolerance and secular values. Barring a few fanatics most hindus welcome constructive criticism. Budhha was accepted as God incarnate by same hindus whom he bitterly critcized. Dr. Ambedkar was accepted as architect of Indian constitution by the same hindus whom he bitterly condemned. Even today champion manu basher Mayavati is chief minister of U.P. Anti brahmin D.M.K. is a major political force in Tamilnadu. Sonia gandhi and A.K. antony are highly respected and both are catholic christians. My point is, we are not opposed to criticism of any religion but this forum is not appropriate for that. Any one who wants to criticize Hinduism or Buddhism or any ism other than islam can start his/her own website or blog and there are many already. So please spare this forum and let it act as a forum for scrutiny of Islam.
@ soul speek
What's the current relationship between xtians and hindus in India?Are they (hindus) oppressing your people or are they living in relative harmony?Please answer as I'm really interested in hearing straight from a xtians lips
Well this is a bit extreme!! If you're so good then just forgive. Islam is a religion like all the others and if you don't like it it doesn't mean that nobody should like it!
I beg to differ Karina, Islam is not just another religion. It is a Supremacist political Ideology in the guise of religion, which desires to take over the world and impose Islamic sharia over it. If you are not aware how Islamic sharia works , see what is happening in Saudi arabia or Iran.
"Islam is a religion like all the others".
In fact it isn't.
And therein resides much of the problem, many people (who haven't studied Islam) think that because that's what they have been told (by apologists who seek to obfuscate the truth).
If people were truly educated about Islam, then at least they could form opinion based in fact – that's not to say we'd all agree btw – but ignorance is one of Islam's greatest advantages.
Irishjenn47,
"why does FFI not allow people such as meself who are Atheists/Catholics to attack Hindu and Buddhism on this forum the way I attack islam?"
There was once a notice published in FFI asking people not to involve other religions except islam. I couldn't locate it now.
Be reasonable lady. FFI is to unite non-muslims against Islam. Don't be a disservice to the cause.
You know full well that this website is not created for a debate between christianity and othe non-islamic religions.
Let everybody see in you what Ireland and catholic christianity stand for.
Irishjenn47,
I can refute the entire dogma of catholic christianity in such a way that you will not find tears to cry.
FFI is not the forum and I have no business with you. Just be a respectful good lady.
Shrek,
Why are you so indignated? Yes, 100s of things are there to refute the dogma of Catholicism. You can easily find them on net. It is not ‘banned’ anywhere. Nobody forces anyone to join or leave Catholicism.
I am a Catholic myself and just dont feel at ease with many traditions/beliefs of Catholics. I have firm faith in the teachings of Jesus Christ. That is more than enough for us.
Soul Speek,
You are new to this forum. You are not supposed to respond blindly without reading everything.
Irishjenn47's catholic supremacism's offense can be answer only in this way. I answer supremacism with supremacism. Irishjenn47 started first. Sometime I don't want to give the other cheek when someone slaps me on one cheek.
Also know that I said 'ENTIRE'. I mean it. You don't have an inkling what I mean by 'ENTIRE' and not '100s'.
You will never see me in FFI offending christians or christianity 1st. But sometimes I cannot keep cool and retaliate.
Eliminate Islamic clerics or give them the same punishment as their victims so they can experience the same pain, suffering and anxiety. I am quite sure that without Islamic clerics, all the people including Muslims would be much happier, safer and in peace. Muslims' second commandment is an "Eye-for-an-Eye" These satanic creatures must experience the same suffering as their victims otherwise the same atrocities will continue forever.
I M WONDER HOW FOOL THOSE PEOPLE WHO TRUST THESE KIND OF NEWS AND NONSENSE,THEY MAKE NEWS AND PEOPLE BELIEVE BLINDLY,,IN JAMMU AND KASMIR A BOY NAME WAS IMRAN ,HE WAS DID COMPLAIN AGAINST MISSIONARY BECAZ THEY MAKE HIM GREEDY AND HE HV PROVIDED GIRL FOR SEX ,COSTLY MOBILE PHONE ,AND WINE ,EVEN A CAR,AND THEY SAID IMRAN TO FOLLOW HIM.CAL HIM ON CHURCH,BECAZ HE WAS A TEEN AGE BOY ,HE NOT MATURE ENOUGH HE WAS FOLLOW MISSIONARIES AND AFTER FEW DAYS HE BECM DRUG ADDICTED .,,BECAZ IMRAN MOM WAS DEAD THE TIME HE WAS KID, HE MIS OWN MOM AND HIS FATHER ALWAYS OUTSIDE HOME NO ONE CARE HIM ,DUE TO ALONENESS HE WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF CHURCH ,AND ONE DAY HE WAS DRIVING A CAR AND DID ACCIDENT ,BUT POLICE NOT ARREST HIM ,,BECAZ HE MAKE A CAL TO A PERSON HE WAS A MEMBER OF CHURCH ,SO POLICE LEFT HIM ,AFTER FEW DAYS HE BECOM SICK ,,AND FEEL WEAKNESS, ONE DAY HE SAW A DREAM,ABOUT HIS MOTHER,HIS MOTHER ANGRY ON HIM ,,,,UNTIL THAT HE CONTINUE DOING SIN,SEX WITH A CHRISTIAN GIRL SHE BECM HER GF AND WANT CONVERT IMRAN,,,,BUT DUE TO IMRAN SICKNESS HE ALWAYS LIVE ALONE,AND THINKING HOW IF FATHER OF CHURCH IS MY WELL WISHER,WHY HE NOT STOP ME FRM THESE KIND OF SINS,,LATER HE MEET A MUSLIM SCOLAR BY MISTAKE HE SAID HIM ABOUT HIS STORY ,,,,AND TN WHOLE STORY CHANGE AND HE COMPLAIN THIS TO POLICE AND MUSLIM LEADER ,,AND ITS BECM A BIG ISSUE ,,,HOPE U WIL UNDERSTAND WT IS TRUTH WT IS FALSE,,,,,,,
Another imbecilic thought of a demeted moslem cretin.His thought process reflects the negative IQ this fellow has and this moslem cretin believes all the kafirs are as moronic as him! This kindergarten ( that will be a post graduate degree in moslem community, I suspect) thought is not even worth the web space. I gut feeling that moslems are demented,imbecile,morons, retarded, idiots is being proved beyond any reasonable doubt.
firoz, perhaps islam has failed this guy and he needs better association to move forward in life…
Muslims like Shabeer always follow these trends. First, they either post garbage without proof or reply to someone without an iota of common sense.
If it were a post, they never read any reply; implying what they'd said is correct without any argument, and then go posting the next post. Or, if it were a comment, it's hard for them to argue logically and the only logical argument they make is either a threatening or pleading point.
But, it sure is fun watching them blurt out verbal vomits every time!
God bless all!
@moderator
common mod , y did u delete my comments ?? is it bcoz i bash both xianity and islam together?
Perfectly good decision,though I am against Islam. Hindus from Jammu will be saved from xian missioneries.Hindus all over the India follow the same principle.Xian missioneries should go to Palestine birth place of Jesus & spread the christianity in that muslim dominated area.
Both are desert relegion.One is beleive in Jehad and other for conversion. I have seen these things in my own eys.Horrible. Why musmim are protesting the same practice. Why not they prevent one dreaded Zoker Naik, who indulging the same practice what missionaries are doing thorugh out the world.
as a Christian, i agree with Shek. i think that we should not be vilifying any religion except islam here. this is an anti-islam site, not an anti-religion site. and, there is no "palestine." that is a MOOSELM myth. it is occuiped Israel.
@shabeer- hence in your long speech you yourself admit that ISLAM is not a religion but a mere tool for some fanatics to use and rule the world and for fools to follow them. As you yourself said Riddah was to save the islamic empire so how is it different from war to save religion. you yourself have a great confusion and trying to confuse us also. RIDDAH was a political war you said but to save which territory ? islamic empire… and what is that …?? countries who follow islam so if it was not to save the religion what else it was. if people were willing to leave islam then there would have been nothing like islamic empire. you need to understand that islamic empire was because of islam and it was islam in danger not the islamic empire for which the war was faught.
Human intolerance caused due to religious views and edicts is a band, not a binary system (0 or 1 i.e. wholly intolerant or tolerant).
Hinduism's intolerance arises out mainly from the structure of society envisioned by the religion and less from definition of god.
Christianity is opposite.
The core of a religion is not social structure. You establish the concept of god and then wrap the social structure around to carry it through eternity.
Christianity is following christ like Islam is following muhammad. We don't depend on who said what. Christ was a good human being while muhammad was not. That's it. Secularism is not christianity.
"Hindus were tolerant to the Arab & European conquerors because the conquerors had guns & swords"
Exactly with christians before crusade.
Following christianity and islam makes you invade hindu countries to preach 'peace'. Hindus did not go to christian or muslim lands to preach 'peace', right?
"Hindus were tolerant to the Arab & European conquerors because the conquerors had guns & swords"
We have seen the 'peace' of christianity in europe and america. Islam's 'peace' is seen in middle east. Can you 'bamboozle' me with the 'peace' of christianity? BIG HELL NO!!!
Hindus may not be the more tolerant than few other religions but OBVIOUSLY much less intolerant than christians and obviously muslims.
El padrino cannot 'bamboozle' me into anything.