Alleging Blasphemy, Fanatics Hack Lecturer’s Hand
Source: Times of India
In a horrific instance of Talibanism, Muslim fanatics in Kerala on Sunday chopped off the right hand of a college lecturer, accusing him of setting a question paper with a derogatory reference to the Prophet.
Lecturer T J Joseph was returning home from church with his mother and sister around 8.30 am in Muvattupuzha in Ernakulam district when he was accosted by the attackers. “We had just got into our car when a van pulled up in front. Around eight people armed with swords and knives emerged and pulled out Joseph after smashing the windscreen.
They then chopped off his right hand and stabbed him in the left thigh,” said Joseph’s sister, Mary Stella, a nun.
“When we tried to prevent them, they attacked me and and our mother before exploding bombs and fleeing.”
A police team recovered the severed hand from the compound of a house about 200m away. The 52-year-old lecturer was rushed to a private hospital where his condition is serious.
Police recovered the van in which the fanatics reached the scene. Two men, said to be activists of the Popular Front, a new incarnation of the hardline National Democratic Front, have also been taken into custody. Special police squads are searching sensitive areas in and around the town. “Personnel from this district and neighbouring places are working as a team and we’ll nab the assailants soon,” said IG B Sandhya.
In March this year, Islamic outfits had carried out protests against Joseph, who was a lecturer in the church-run Newman college in Thodupuzha in Idukki district over a portion in the Malayalam question paper for an internal examination for BCom students. They claimed that the question paper insulted the Prophet. The college later suspended Joseph who had set the questions and a criminal case was registered against him. The case is pending trial.
Reacting to the incident, state home minister Kodiyeri Balakrishnan told reporters in New Delhi that the police would probe if any communal or terrorist outfit was involved. The BJP alleged that the home department could not evade responsibility for the growth of terror outfits in Kerala. “This is a direct consequence of the soft attitude adopted by the Left and Congress towards terrorist outfits,” said BJP state chief V Muraleedharan.
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Two remanded for chopping off lecturer’s palm
Kerala State: The two activists of the Islamist organisation Popular Front who arrested on Monday, in the case related to the chopping of the palm of a lecturer of the New Man College in Thodupuzha, (Kerala state, India) were remanded to 14 days by Muvattupuzha First Class Judicial Magistrate. The accused are Jaffer from Kothamangalam and Ashraf from Kalady.
The two were found guilty on charges of attempt to murder, plotting and accumulating explosives.
The lecturer TJ Joseph was on his way home after attending Sunday mass at a local church along with his eighty-eight year old mother and his sister who is a nun, when the untoward incident occurred.
Jaffer who hid the Maruti van used by the attackers was arrested on Sunday noon itself. The police found that the van was bought from Thrissur by one K.K. Ali of Kothamangalam. Ali is absconding.
Meanwhile, the severed palm of Joseph was joined in a major surgery which lasted for 15 long hours at Specialists’ Hospital, Ernakulam. The doctors stated that presently they cannot call the surgery a completely successful one.
The Popular Front had been threatening Joseph for a question that appeared in the question paper the New Man College. The organisations were of the view that the question had insulted Prophet Mohammed and Islam. The police had then arrested Joseph and remanded him to judicial custody, later he was released on bail.
There are reports that the police had not paid heed to intelligence reports of death threats against Joseph. The Popular Front activists had openly declared that the lecturer’s right palm would be chopped off. There were also intelligence reports that the Popular Front was circulating notices against Joseph among its cadres to create an atmosphere of vengeance.
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Now that you have very grudgingly accepted that there are problem areas in bible ( and qran its copy paste is worse). let us see the problem areas in Vedas that you are talking about.Show me where exactly in vedas it says kill all the moslems,, non hindus and christians? Oh while at it remember manu smruti is not revered as vedas or is a religious text.You are too stupid to bring in manu smruti along with Vedas. .
Also remember its an offense to even call a dalit as dalit when the very same dalits call and declare themselves as dalit to get caste certificate.from the government.
Discard caste system? spoken like a truly ignorant hindu.Do you know who wants to hold on to caste certificates? Do you know who issues caste certificates? Do you even realise who benefits from this caste division? I guess not.
Which temple the low castes are not allowed? can you please name them?
The caste certificate is obtained by people who benefit from caste based reservation system.That includes 70% of the Hindu population and those not benefited by the caste certificate are the so called upper castes.I do not see any upper caste fellow asking for caste certificate from the government..
Government of India has a list of 7650 and odd castes in the reserved category. The caste division is done for the vote bank reason.
A divided hindu society is good for christians and moslem scum bags and they will dictate terms for our scum bag politicians.The talk of uniting hindu society with out a caste is drubbed as communal talk.Are you aware?
F/F 67, kababa, dreamland, and muslims on this site, we know very well you despise Hindus as polytheists, heathens, infidels, kaffirs, hellfire fit da da da…. However, would you guys explain to me why your pastors, padres, mullahs, and fakirs are desperate to find Muhammad and Jesus in Hindu scriptures? Don't you believe me? Just google "Jesus in vedas" and "Muhammad in vedas". Why do missionaries and mullahs want to find their Gaad in "heathen/infidel" vedas? Dude FF67, if you think only Indian converts are finding Jesus in vedas you are seriously mistaken. Most of these works are done by "unadulterated" "pure blooded" "white"-Xian missionaries (yeah Catholics as well). Did we ever beat our chest and say "yo mate, I found my Hindu Gaads in the Bible or Quran?" The deception or al-taqiyya used by these missionaries and mullahs is unfathomable. It further tells that they are totally insecure about their scriptures and their Gaad. Otherwise what is the need to find their Gaad in heathen scriptures?
The origin: The quest for finding Jesus in heathen scriptures started in the early 19th century during British rule in India. William Jones, Max Mueller and other "pure" Indologists published in their works the presence of Jesus in vedas. Zakir Naik and other Mullahs are following their footsteps. Can you see folks, how Father and Son are united in their quest to find their Gaad in Hindu scriptures? If you go to Srilanka or any Buddhist nation, you will find works like "Jesus/Muhammad foretold in Buddhist scriptures". Operation Desert Storm!!!!
Prejudice: All of Rabi's life he nursed a deep hatred for black people, because they ate his god the cow. He counted them lower than the lowest caste. Eventually he went to high school with them. His interaction with blacks, whites, and orientals made him question his beliefs. According to the Vedas there are only four castes created from the body of Brahma–so there was no basis for even the EXISTENCE of anyone else in the world. Yet he saw with his eyes many other types of people. How did they come into existence? Why weren't they mentioned in the Hindu scriptures? Why couldn't they get salvation through Yoga and reincarnation? They were lower than the Untouchables and without hope according to his religion. Yet he found that they were in no way inferior to him. One day he received a flurry of questions at school that began to rock him.
"Is it true that Hindus believe everything is god?"
"Yes."
"You mean a fly is god, or an ant, or a stinkbug?"
"You laughin' because you don't understand. You see only the illusion but don't see the One Reality– Brahman."
"Are you god?"
"Yes, and so are all Hindus. They just need to realize it."
"How're you going to 'realize' what isn't true? You didn't create the world!"
"I hear you're a vegetarian–don't believe in taking any life…"
"I believe in no-violence. Like Gandhi. Everybody respects him. He was a great Hindu! It's wrong to take life."
"Any life?"
"All life is sacred. The Vedas say so."
"Don't you know that even vegetables have the seven characteristics of life? Vegetarians take life too." "How about when he boils water for his tea? Think of all the millions of bacteria he kills then! Poor, helpless little animals–that's what they are. You know, they evolve and reincarnate upwards–eventually into cows and humans!" "Gosh, he's a regular murderer!"
Rabi went home and grazed the cow and asked her, "You are a god, aren't you?" She just said "Moo."
On another school day, the question arose,
"If Lakshmi is the goddess of wealth and prosperity, why are Hindus so poor?"
"A man can be poor in one life and wealthy in the next."
"How many reincarnations does it take? Look around! Most East Indians are cane-cutters, living in poor houses…." "Look at India–it's the most miserable country in the world! …There are more rats than people, and such poverty and disease!" "People are starving in India, while the rats get fat and the sacred cows die of old age! That's what her gods and reincarnation have done for India."
@ FF67: If you are really interested in a detailed discussion on the Biblical God and the Vedic God, I am game for it. We can use another forum but I bet you will be unwilling to exit this space for that discussion..Canonocal literature or the lack of it (as perceived by you) is a non-issue.But buddy if you turn around to look at Xianity, the canonocal literature is not only corrupted but has a problem of plenty and the whole message gets mangled.
Starting from Gnostic Basilides till Augustine who forced the Church to accept the three synods on canonicity and everything inbetween including the Ethiopian and Coptic and Syrian and Byzantine and Armenian canons all riding side-by-side with each other and with the Western Catholic canon,.how mish mashed can it get?
The essence of Christianity is a belief, a particular truth claim: that Jesus was the sole son of God and that he redeemed mankind from sin by his crucifixion and resurrection. He never founded a new religion, Saint Paul being the real inventor of Christianity as a sect separate from Judaism. The Gospels are highly doctored texts, rewritten to suit the theological developments and political needs of the budding Church. Thus, the injunction to pay taxes to the Romans (“give unto Caesar…”) and the depiction of Roman governor Pilate as innocent of Jesus’ crucifixion were included to mollify the Romans after the defeat of the Jewish revolt in AD 70. Most importantly, Jesus never rose from the dead. The decisive difference between the dead and the living is that the living are someplace in this world, while Jesus, like all dead men, is nowhere to be found in this world. He was spirited away in the “Ascension to Heaven”, which amounts to dying: he left this world. Of course you could say that “his spirit lives on”, but that is equally true of other inspiring characters, both historical and fictional.
@ FF67: Your view & understanding of India & Hinduism is just pathetic.Firstly, it is necessary to bring about a little bit of a historical flashback, where India & Xtianity is concerned If ever there was persecution, it was of the Hindus at the hands of Christians, who were actually welcomed in this country, as they have been welcomed in no other place in this Planet. Indeed, the first Christian community of the world, that of the Syrian Christians, was established in Kerala in the first century; they were able to live in peace and practice their religion freely, even imbibing some of the local Hindu customs, until the Jesuits came in the 16th century and told them it was “heathen” to have anything to do with the Hindus, thereby breaking the Syrian Church in two.
When Vasco de Gama, landed in Kerala in 1498, he was generously received by Zamorin, the Hindu king of Calicut, who granted him the right to establish warehouses for commerce. But once again, Hindu tolerance was exploited and the Portuguese wanted more and more: in 1510, Alfonso de Albuquerque seized Goa, where he started a reign of terror, burning “heretics”, crucifying Brahmins, using false theories to forcibly convert the lower castes, razing temples to build churches upon them and encouraging his soldiers to take Indian mistresses. Indeed, the Portuguese perpetrated here some of the worst atrocities ever committed in Asia by Christianity upon another religion. Ultimately, the Portuguese had to be kicked out of India, when all other colonisers had already left.
Secondly, Christianity has always striven on the myth of persecution, which in turn bred “martyrs” and saints, indispensable to the propagation of Christianity. But it is little known, for instance, that the first “saints” of Christianity, “martyred” in Rome, a highly refined civilization, which had evolved a remarkable system of Gods and Goddesses, some of whom were derived from Hindu mythology via the Greeks, were actually killed (a normal practice in those days), while bullying peaceful Romans to embrace the “true” religion, in the same way that later Christian missionaries will browbeat “heathen” Hindus, adoring many Gods, into believing that Jesus was the only “true” God.
Now to come to the recent cases of persecution of Christians in India at the hands of Hindu groups.Take the burning of churches in Andhra Pradesh a few years ago, for instance, which was supposed to have been committed by the “fanatic” RSS. It was proved later that it was actually the handiwork of Indian Muslims, at the behest of the ISI to foment hatred between Christians and Hindus. Yet the Indian Press which went wild at the time of the burnings, mostly kept quiet when the true nature of the perpetrators was revealed. Now that Dara Singh has been punidshed, it has been shown that even if he does belong to the Bajrang Dal, it is doubtful if the 100 others accused do. What is more probable, is that like in many other “backward” places, it is a case of converted tribals versus non-converted tribals, of pent-up jealousies, of old village feuds and land disputes. It is also an outcome of what – it should be said – are the aggressive methods of the Pentecost and seventh Adventists missionaries, known for their muscular ways of converting.
Thirdly, conversions in India by Christian missionaries of low caste Hindus and tribals are sometimes nothing short of fraudulent and shameful. American missionaries are investing huge amounts of money in India, which come from donation drives in the United States where gullible Americans think the dollars they are giving go towards uplifting “poor and uneducated Indians”. It is common in Kerala, for instance, particularly in the poor coastal districts, to have “miracle boxes” put in local churches: the gullible villager writes out a paper mentioning his wish: a fishing boat, a loan for a pukka house, fees for the son’s schooling… And lo, a few weeks later, the miracle happens ! And of course the whole family converts, making others in the village follow suit…
Did you know that the Christianity is dying in the West ? Not only church attendance is falling dramatically because spirituality has deserted it, but less and less youth find the vocation to become priests or nuns. And as a result, say in the rural parts of France, you will find only one priest for six or seven villages, whereas till the late seventies the smallest hamlet had its own parish priest. And where is Christianity finding new priests today ? In the Third World, of course ! And India, because of the innate impulsion of its people towards God, is a very fertile recruiting ground for the Church, particularly in Kerala and Tamil Nadu. Hence the huge attention that India is getting from the United States, Australia, or England and the massive conversion drive going on today.
my god u hv not read any thing!
I commend FF67 for one thing that he reads albaits superficially.
The castiesm starts from vedas, it is available even in geeta; manu gave a nasty twist.
And u dont even go to the temples. Ofcourse I too dont as at one temple i went with a white lady friend and entry to her was denied. A stupid man can do any thing. Nobody ever stopped me from entering any church and I dont go to mosques.
cast based reservations are a new phenominon and are equally wrong. But u can not deny the fact that a hand full of brahmins just for their personal gain created the castiesm. The kshatriya and vaishya were the ignorant supporters. Its funny that the kshatriyas can create the books but only brahmins were permitted to read and explain them!
And finally I repeat the same thing that this is not a place for … but it seems to hv gone out of hands. The only way left is perhaps as anyone types christian or hindu a virus stops his compu.
Right a handful of brahmins did all the evil for thousands of years! Feels better? Chatyrvarnam is not caste.Even in US of A and USSR( have been in both these places ) there are people cleaning toilets, there are people flipping burgers, there are soldiers and there are business people and there are thinkers.No body is preventing a sweeper from thinking! Caste is incidentally a spanish word and there are no sanskrit word for caste.Chaturvarnam in geeta clearly says all are like my body parts.That only means we are all children of one god.Which hindu temple prevented your white girl friend?They never did that with me! Next time take a black girl friend to be non racist.
Reincarnation in Bible: FF67 is so much against reincarnation. Well, his own Jesus struggled to give a logical answer to his disciple (Jesus put the blame on God) when the latter countered Jesus with the following question.
And as he was passing by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who has sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?" Jesus answered, "Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents, but the works of God were to be made manifest in him.' (John 9:1-3)
Take a look at this: And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand." Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)
@ Raka: Your opening statement clearly indicates your ignorance,where Vedas & the categorization of revealed scriptures and those that were authored by men,are concerned (in Hinduism). The playgroud of the Vedas is the human mind. The Vedas do not talk about geography or history. The seven rivers have a philoosphic meaning that most Hindus too are ignorant about. In the Vedas,cow refers to the light of conciousness and the horse refers to the force of conciousness. The clarified butter refers to the increasing clarity of cognizance about God, as one travels towars divinity, the heaven in the Vedas, is the human mind that is at the doorstep of achieving the supremem bliss of understanding God…I can go on and on… and the enemies in the Vedas are ignirance and darkness of the human mind who steal the cows (light of conciousness)..please go,read any 5 hyms from Rig Veda and I will help you understand what they say….
Please check the Vedas and tell me one verse that talks about TEMPLE.Your argument about Brahmins & casteism is true. But the Vedas donot talks about castesim in the way today's Hindus practice it and the Vedas donot talk about anybody in a derogatory way. You wanna bet… Here we go…
The whole game of lies that people play about Vedas and discrimination based on caste is something like this(a verse in the 31st chapter of Yajur Veda). Again, please remember that this is a Vedic verse and not from Manusmmiriti or some concocted man-made verse at a later date.
Purush Sukta is in 31st Chapter of Yajurveda asks a question – Who is mouth? Who is hand? Who is thigh and who is leg? The next hym gives the answer – Brahmins or intellectuals form the brain or head or mouth that think and speak. Kshatriya or defense personnel form the hands that protect. Vaishya or producers and businessmen form the thigh that support and nurture (note that thigh bone or femur produces blood and is strongest bone). Shudra form the legs that lay the foundation and make the body run.
In Vedic culture, everyone is considered to be born as Shudra. Then based on his or her education, one becomes a Brahmin, Kshatriya or Vaishya. This completion of education is considered to be a second birth. Hence these three Varnas are called “Dwija” or twice-born. But those who remain uneducated for whatever reasons are not discarded from society. They continue as Shudra and perform support-activities for the society.
A son of Brahmin, if he fails to complete his education, becomes a Shudra. Similarly, son of a Shudra if he completes his education can become a Brahmin, Kshatriya or Vaishya. This is pure meritocracy. The way degrees are accorded today.
a. The meaning of four Varnas and Shudra in particular is completely different from what the Macaulay inspired intellectuals would want us to believe.
b. There is absolutely no element of birth-based discrimination or denial of opportunity for any human being in Vedic way of life.
c. If there is one text that provides evidence of highest level of meritocracy and equal-opportunity, it is the Vedas. Even the most contemporary texts on human rights cannot come closer.
A commonly held perception regarding Vedas is their prejudice against Shudras. Vedas are accused of being Brahminical texts designed to subdue the Shudras. They are considered to be the source of caste-based discrimination that is touted as the primary characteristic of Hinduism/ Sanatan Dharma or Vedic Dharma. The entire pro-Dalit movement also has its foundation on this baseless notion.
Here is proof that Vedas do not deiscriminate…
Yajurved 18.48:
O Lord! Provide enlightenment/ compassion to our Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras.
Yajurved 26.2:
The way I gave this knowledge of Vedas for benefit of all humans, similarly you all also propagate the same for benefit of Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Shudras, Vaishyas, Women and even most downtrodden. The scholars and the wealthy people should ensure that they not deviate from this message of mine.
Atharvaved 19.32.8:
O Lord! May I be loved by everyone – Brahmin, Kshatriya, Shudra or Vaishya. May I be admired by everyone.
Thus it is clear that as per Vedas, Shudras deserve the same respect as other Varnas and as per Vedic prayer, Shudras are accorded great esteem.
It is also interesting that in all of these mantras, the word Shudra comes before Vaishya. So one cannot counter-argue that Shudras are given last mention or least preference.
These are sufficient evidence to conclude that Shudra, as per Vedas, imply something quite different from a caste or community that has to be discriminated against.
So if generations of people failed to understand what the Vedas say and indulge in varna based discrimination, it is not the fault of the Vedas.
stupid idiot you all muslim. you are nothing but animal, and you should be eradicated.
@ Apolloreach, Wagamama, Floppydickmo,
You guys rock,
Bingo good shooting right at bulls eye.
For last few weeks we see some pseudo Muslims in disguise of Christianity and some Christians in disguise of Islam doing much more harm to this forum, cos they divert all the discussions to bash India and every thing which belongs to this tolerant country.
You guys hit them hard every time they divert a topic from actual subject of this forum.
As soon as Admin publishes an article or news those pseudo Christians/Muslims pour in to derail the comment section to give it an anti Indian color.
But it is you Apolloreach, Wagamama, Floppydickmo etc who save the day for the sake of truth.
Keep it up.
Dear apolloreach
Thank u for your detailed analysis and decent language and with u i can again share my point that this site is not for all that. Can u ask say FF 67 to go to hinduwisdom and refer the things. Simply they wont.
Therefore we can discuss all those things some other place and this site only for the single job.
Certainly hinduism require freedom from castiesm and fast; for its very survival. We can forget what is written for awhile and go to shankaracharyaX4 and others to declare that from this date (they can chose) according to this verse (they can…) the rule of castiesm are modified as…
1 when u are borne u are shudra (u hv potential for all)
2 Till the lust for money etc is in u, u r a vaishya.
3 The day u can dare and forget fear and fight for the justice and can stand for a helpless soul; u becomes a kshatriya
4 The day u hv come to know the brahmin, the knowledge of soul befalls upon u, u hv experienced the breeze of god…u become brahmin..
5 and finally u hv to become a sant-purush ( chaitanya swaroop, sthitpragya etc etc) u hv crossed all the divisions and ready for his acceptance.
THE LITTLE PROBLEM IS WHO WILL CERTIFY?
And all this is connected. In birth there is nothing that u hv done so shudra. Earning money and feeling safe goes against the daring and so till one will the lust for money he can not become a kshatriya and likewise…
pl win for will
Those Indians that want to learn the bloody episodes of Islamic invasions against India & ensure that we donot relive it again, please contribute to the cause of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Museum of Indian History.This is being spearheaded by Francois Gautier, a French journalist, writer & historian who has been covering India and South Asia for the last 35 years.Please go to http://www.fact-india.com/ and http://factmuseum.blogspot.com/ to know what you can do.
@ Raka: I concur with you that the Hindu society must move out of the rot,where castesim is concerned.I am part of an initiative to do my 2 cents towards that and also push back on the onslaught of Xtianity & Islam in my country. While I respect the freedom to practice any faith,in India, that freedom provided by the constitution has been abused in every possible way.
Anybody that wants to stem casteism in the Hindu society has 3 major challenges – the Government sponsored freebie sweepstake that ensures people always remember the caste to which they belong to; the secular ayotallahs who trample the indigenous culture & last but not the least the Hindu mindset on castes.
While the attempts of missionaries and the dawahs can be blown to smitherns in religious discussions, a poor Shudra or a poor Kshatriya or even a poor brahmin needs an economic reason to stay as a Hindu in India today. A case in point – the Govt run or Govt funded computer traiing academies impart the training for free for a Xtian or a Muslim or a dalit (who flashes the caste certificate). But a non-Dalit Hindu, who is poor,has to pay for getting his son or daughter to access the same training. This is just for starters.
The initiative I am part of,not only propagates the philosophical percept of Hinduism but teaches those poor Hindus “how to fish.” But the Govt policies “give them fish” provided they are Dalits or Xtians or Muslims.
The caste problem was created by the birtish by the way of reservation system in 1935.They ( britishers) felt that the dalits should be given a leg up position as against the upper castes and so they brought in reservation in 1935 which was 25%.As of today the caste reservation is around 70% and an astonishing 7000 and odd castes are in the reserved category.just type in the castes list and government of india gives you a list for each state! So ridiculous and deep rooted is this caste certificate( I call it as toilet tissue certificate as it is used again and again by the reserved castes people with mercedes benz and its as useless as a used toilet tissue for the forward castes) the various reserved castes have started stinking like the toilet tissue.No one has the guts or the resources to talk about this stinking reserved castes.This helps the xian and moslem evils perfectly. The xian,moslems and dalits will abuse hinduism and dalits get brain washed( if they have one) and get converted to xianity or islam.
The difficulty was the converted dalits in to islam or christianity could carry with them the reserved caste brain( meaning none!) but not caste certificate.This loss of certificate and the resultant loss of reservation soon after conversion to xianity or islam meant loss of the ability to survive.With their
( dalit converts) caste certificate abled brains the dalits were doing fine with 35% Marks and they were making progress, at the cost of the country. The dalits lost that caste crutch as soon as they accepted the dead jew or the child fcuker. This meant these brainless idiots were forced to compete with the merit pool! A huge disadvantage indeed. The dalits were leaving xianity as soon as they realised that the dead jew saves them after death, but the caste certificate saves them now,in this world.This was a huge loss to our dead jew worshippers.So this politics of dalit christians and dalit moslems.These brain dead people can convert and still keep the caste certificate. This is the fact that no one in India in main stream will be able to write.the dalits constitute 27% of the population! and a reservation for dalit christian and dalit moslem means same sops but xian and moslem population. Ready made population of 27% for conversion! john dayal a dalit convert spews hatred continuously against hindus and was met by the president OF US A! Thats the evil christian politics for you.
The idea of the caste system in India is without a doubt a product from various Hindu scriptures. When you Hindus say the British invented it, it just show how ignorant you Hindus are for blaming something else of your own product. Inferiority complex of Muslims and Hindus always shows in their inner selves of blaming someone else for their own actions. Even if we accept your false presumption that the British did invent it, why did you Hindus fall it? Don’t you Hindus have your own brain to figure out something that has been invented by someone else? If you can’t figure out people’s false invention in your scriptures, then how do you supposed to know that your Hindu scriptures did not came from God but from Satan or his demons?
So says a fellow who believes his god created first man and then a woman out of man's rib and then a talking snake made them eat an sinful apple and because of that the whole world descended into a sin, so god made a lonely under-aged jooish girl pregnant, came in flesh and died for the sins of the world…..If this isn't the epitome of stupidity then what is?
@ FF67: You have neither refuted anything I said against your arguments on your perceptions,nor have you been able to comprehend the posts where I discussed the Hindu scriptures. If your cult was so confident,unlike (as you claim) Hindus, why are your so called Men &Women of God in cheap activities to propogate Xtianity.
At best you are always on a high on crack or a certified bigot. A bigot & the pupil of the eye are very similar. The more light they see, the more they contract. Either way, you need help. Try refuting one thing I said against your arguments…..
Christianity is certainly the epitome of stupidity but there is Islam crap to beat the asininity of christianity! The country cousins who bonk ,bang,bomb alike, following the same book, well almost the same book.
Caste syatem is not a hindu phenomenon! That's a lie perpetrated by the bloody british to screw the poor lower caste women and the upper caste people who understood these cunning christians well.
I am just wondering.Is there a ban in christianity against thinking? This guy here is a spherical idiot.Any which way you look at him or read his thoughts he is an idiot.
This is for the brain dead dead jew supporter about caste.
Although Indian society is often now associated with the word "caste", it was first used by the Portuguese to describe inherited class status in their own European society.
English caste is from Latin castus "pure, cut off, segregated", the participle of carere "to cut off". Application to Hindu social groups originates in the 17th century, via Portuguese casta "breed, race, caste".
Discrimination based on caste, as perceived by UNICEF, is prevalent mainly in parts of Asia (India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Japan) and Africa. UNICEF estimates that such perceived discrimination based on caste affects 250 million people worldwide.[1]In Spanish and Portuguese America
Main article: Castas
The Spanish and Portuguese colonists of the Americas instituted a relatively loose system of racial and social stratification and segregation based on a person's heritage. The system remained in place in most areas of Spanish America up to the time independence was achieved from Spain. Castes were used to identify classes of people with specific racial or ethnic heritage. However, privileges or restrictions were more related to race and wealth than to a clearly defined system of castes.
Among the caste / racial classifications used then in Spanish America are: Peninsular, Criollo, Castizo, Mestizo, Cholo, Mulato, Indio, Zambo and Negro.
The bloody european crystalised the caste system.What we had in india is varna.Its not caste.
Let me try to explain the meaning of varna to the bone heads here.
there are 4 varnas/ gunas/jatis A human being has to have all the 4 gunas for survival..One is neither or inferiro to the other as all are gunas created by god. God is the creator of chatur varnam.Not your dead jew or pimp allah.
1.Most basic varnas are for those interested in wordly pleasures like sex,drugs,alchohol, and who have to use their legs and hands to earn a lively hood.Shoodras.there will be this group of people in all societies and more so amongst the lowly paid soldiers with low or very low IQ.
2.The Vaisya guna of trying to accumulate the wealth by any means and all means. This is coomon amongst the business community of all people and societies.
3.The Kshatriya guna is for accumulation of power and utilisation of power in this world and for now.
4.The brahman gunas who is a free thinker and is involved in intellectual pursuit.There are people in all societies with this guna.A human being needs to have a bit of all and can not indulge himself or herself in only one guna or jati or varna.As you can well understand , there is no one who is prevented from moving in these gunas depending on his or her intellectual capacity.Its not a rigid rule( unlike the babble and qrand) imposed on all.If you want to develop only the intellectual power by use of your brain( a non existent structure amongst moslems and quite a few christians here) or use the brawn and develop your muscle or money ect, you will have those gunas and pass on the tricks of your trade to your children.A whores daughter is easily drawn to whoredom, but will have to conciously make an effort to achieve some thing different.A doctor or engineers daughter als has chances of becomimg immoral whore when she does not use the thinking powers or the environment.See how the fluid system allows one to attain his or her level of capability.This was misinterpreted as caste by the bloody british and cunning christian with the he tamas gunas due to upbringing and influence.
I would invite any one to intellectually discuss this lies perpetrated against hindus.
1.Caste is not a system prevalent in India alone.there are and were caste systems all over the world.
2.Caste system is not rigid, family passed trait.
3.In India the caste system is used by the so called shoodras ( selfish,people interested in getting the needs of sex,food, and basic instincts fulfilled ant any cost ) for their personal gains.No body is preventing the shoodra to become a saint and an intellectual. These gunas are all common amongst the people who eat meat,drink alchohol and smoke etc.These are all tamasik gunas that will get you hooked to the illusions of this life here.The the brahman guna is common amongst those who are strict vegetarians and do not consume intoxicating substances and are in to intellectual pursuit.
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