I Want My Boyfriend Back
Hello Mr. Sina
I am Sara from India. My boyfriend sent you a mail a few days ago regarding his problem whether he should leave me or persuade me to leave Islam. He got your reply, which he sent to me. He indirectly told me what is his decision. Second time in my life I visited faithfreedom.org to read your advice to my cute, honest, caring and gentle boyfriend.
I have always appreciated those people who deserve appreciation and I am writing you because you deserve appreciation.
I have been dating my boyfriend since last 3 years. I know him more than anyone else. You are a kind of influential person. So my boyfriend followed your advice blindly. I can neither blame you nor my boyfriend for the break up. I am responsible for this and I admit it.
My boyfriend wrote that once we visited your site together I accused him of insulting my faith. Yeah I did because I am tired of reading and hearing Islamic terrorism. I always read in the newspapers that the majority of illegal activities are carried out by muslims, whether it’s theft, rape, or abduction. When I visited your site with my boyfriend I got angry because it was the same thing I have been hearing, reading from last many years.
I am not a religious Muslim. Majority of my friends are nonmuslim. I am not like other muslims who intentionally target nonmuslims for conversion. I never wanted my boyfriend to convert, but I am the only daughter of my parents. I have brother or sister. I talked to my parents about my love, but they told me that my boyfriend has to convert. So just for the sake of my parents I started to insist that he convert. I know it is wrong, but what I can do? My boyfriend had two options, but I had only one.
I don’t know much more about Islam, and I can’t blame you for propagating anti-islamic propaganda because you a free person and everyone has the right to express his or her views. You are doing that. So you are right from your side. I can’t forget my boyfriend and even I can’t get married to other guy because it is difficult to find a guy like him. I have heard so much about your book Understanding Muhammad. Now I want to read it. Can you tell how can I get it? I would wait for your reply.
Hi Sara,
Marriage is a partnership between two individuals with equal shares. Each brings something different to this partnership, but they have equal rights. The success of the marriage depends in maintaining this equality. The moment one partner tries to impose his or her ways or beliefs on the other the equality is undermined and the marriage becomes unstable.
Muslim marriages are not based on equality, but on the superiority of one partner over the other. The Quran 4:34 says.“Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other.” These marriages are invariably dysfunctional. They survive because the partner that suffers has limited options.
Because Muslim families are patriarchal and it is often the woman that is abused, Muslim women have learned to endure and bury their pains. In Iran women were thought besooz o besaaz (burn and endure).
But the world is changing and women are discovering that they have more options than besooz o besaaz. So marriages are breaking apart. I was going to say children are the main victims, but really children are better off in a broken marriage than in a dysfunctional marriage where there is no love, laughter and happiness.
You say, every time you read the news it is about a Muslim committing a crime. It is a fact that the rate of crime among Muslims is much higher than in any other community. In Denmark 4% of the population is Muslim whereas most of the crimes are committed by them and 100% of rapes are perpetrated by them. The rate is the same in other Europeans countries. This is not to say that Muslims in the west are particularly worse than those living in Islamic countries. Crime in Islamic countries is rampant.
The reason for this is simple. Muslims come from patriarchal families. They never saw real love. All they saw was abuse. Psychologically and emotionally, they are not healthy. It is rare to find a Muslim who does not suffer from one form or another of mental disorder. They are often angry, depressive, shy, violent, manic, narcissistic, obsessive, compulsive, possessive, procrastinator, paranoid, histrionic, bully, dependent, or abusive. Muslims are either at your throat or at your feet. That is because they are products of dysfunctional families.
Why Muslim families are normatively dysfunctional? It is because they have a very wrong model to follow. They emulate Muhammad and Muhammad was mentally sick. His insanity is passed on to his followers and we get a sick dysfunctional society.
Anyone who wants to marry a Muslim must know that he or she is taking a risk. If both sides are Muslim they can form a dysfunctional, but ironically workable partnership. The relationship between a masochist and a sadist is morbid, but it works because it is a symbiotic relationship. But the relationship between a sick individual and a healthy person cannot survive long.
You say your boyfriend is a wonderful person. Why do you think he is wonderful? It is because he has grown up in a healthy non Islamic family – a loving family where men and women were treated equally. He is a good fruit of a good tree.
You say he has two options while you have only one. That is not true. He has only one option. It is you who have two. He thinks persuading you to leave Islam is his option. He is mistaken. No one can persuade anyone. To leave Islam or not is your option. If you plug your ears he can shout as much as he likes but you won’t hear him. Uptil now you had plugged your ears. You visited this site only once with him, became angry and refused to come back, until now that you see you are about to lose the man you love.
You say your parents want him to convert. This is what happens in dysfunctional families. In healthy societies all people are equal. No one will tell others what to do. People respect each others’ right to have different opinions and beliefs. In sick Islamic societies, everyone thinks it is his duty to guide others. This elevates their ego and masks their sense of inferiority. Their psychopath prophet thought them to act as moral police to each other and do al amr-bil ma’roof, wa nahi an al munkar to each other. Muslims who collectively suffer from low self esteem and inferiority complex feel superior by telling others how to live their lives. Everything in Islamic world is sick, but amazingly it functions, albeit in a very sick way.
People are equal. No one is superior and no one is inferior to others. No one should obey another person. You don’t have to obey your parents, your teacher, your government, your religious leaders or those who are older than you. Obeying or even respecting people because of their age or their status belongs to bygone times. We have to obey the rules not the people. And rules apply to everyone equally. In this modern world we do not respect people, but their rights. We all have equal rights. One does not have more rights because he or she is a parent, has a higher status, is a head of the state or an elderly person.
It is a mistake to follow another person blindly. Ranks are important in the military. In civilized civilian societies they have no meaning. A student does not have to obey his teacher. They are equal. Teachers and parents in Islamic countries think it is their right to beat the children. They have no such right and they are abusers. Humans are all equal, irrespective of their age, gender, and status.
Your parents tell your boyfriend to change his religion. They are overstepping their boundareis and violating someone else’s right. They say because of respect for us he should convert. Who the hell they think they are to deserve respect? No one deserves respect. We have to respect each other’s rights and all people have equal rights. You do not have to respect me any more than I have to respect you, but we must respect each other’s boundaries. A person who expects respect is a sick person. Why should someone who is younger than me respect me, stand up for me and salute me first? We are equal.
I have no right to tell my children what to do. My duty is to show them the way and share with them my experience, just as I would do with a friend, but I have no right to decide for them, whom to marry, what to study, and how to live their lives. They are free people with the same rights that I have. Just as I don’t think it is their business to dictate to me what I should do I must not dictate to them what they should do. I seek their advise and I provide my advise if they ask for it. But I do not expect or require that they obey me.
You say you love this man. If you love him you have to respect his freedom. You don’t have to obey him any more than he has to obey you, but both of you must respect each other’s freedom. You are not chained together. You are attracted to each other through love. Love is the child of freedom. Without freedom there is no love. By trying to impose your will on him you are taking away his freedom and killing the love that is in between you. The moment you tell someone if you don’t do what I telll you, you don’t love me, you become an extortionist. That proves you don’t love him. You cannot possibly love someone and keep him in chains and make him do things against his conscience. You cannot love a person and try to possess him. Don’t confuse possessiveness with love. It is very likely that you, like most Muslims, don’t know what is love and confuse possessivness and obssession with love. If you have never been truly loved, how can you love? You were treated as an object by your parents and you confuse this with love. Don’t tell me no. The very fact that your parents think it is their right to tell your boyfriend to change his religion is proof of that. If they don’t respect the boundaries of your boyfriend, how could they respect yours?
Love is possible among free people. Some people see the marriage contract or children as a chain. They think they can do as they please because their partner will have to pay a heavy price to break that chain. These unions become dysfunctional and toxic for everyone involved and particularly for the children.
When two people marry they must have some common grounds. The most important is physical attraction or “chemistry,” as they call it these days. But since couples don’t spend all their lives in bed, there must be other areas of common interest among them too. You should be intellectually and socially compatible. Beliefs are a very important ground that can either strengthen or destroy a relationship. Therefore, it is advisable that you marry someone of your own faith.
Interfaith marriages also work, provided the couple is mature enough and respects each other’s freedom and rights to believe in what they choose to believe. This is not something Muslims are used to. Muslims are brought up to be bully. They think what they perceive as truth is actually truth and that they don’t have to demonstrate its validity, but rather demand submission. This is the result of mental sickness. This mental sickness is called narcissistic personality disorder. It is the disorder of Muhammad inherited by his followers. As the result, all Muslims evince this disorder. All you have to do is look at the Islamic countries. They are mad houses. Muslims are not sane. They are sick individuals. Sick individuals form sick families and sick societies.
Hope
Is there a hope? Yes there is. The first step to recovery is to acknowledge that as victims of Islam we are sick.
One of the most successful programs ever created is Alcoholic Anonymous. Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism.
These people have regular meetings. If you attend one you may hear someone stand up, introduce himself and add, “I am an alcoholic and I have not touched alcohol for thirty years.”
Why they call themselves alcoholic if they have not touched alcohol for so many years? It is because the moment they think they are okay, they will try alcohol, just a little, and will be back to square one. This admission helps them to be aware at all times that they are at risk and never go close to alcohol.
To recover, Muslims must do the same. They must admit that they are sick. That Islam has been the cause of their downfall, then they must denounce it, and keep denouncing it until they die.
An alcoholic knows that he cannot be a moderate drinker ever. Because Islam is toxic and affects the brain, causing insanity, one cannot be a moderate Muslim. There is no such thing as moderate Muslim. You are either a true Muslim and a threat to the world or a wishy washy Muslim who is filled with guilt for not being a true Muslim and aspires to become one, one day. If you believe that Muhammad was a prophet of God, even if you don’t follow anything he said you are in danger of becoming a true Muslim and are a potential threat to yourself and to others.
It is not up to me to tell you what to do. Furthermore, you should never do what others tell you if you don’t understand and agree with them completely. The decision must be always yours. I only show you the way as I see it. You must verify what I say is right and then choose.
I am going to send you my book. If you read it from beginning to the end you will leave Islam. Truth is powerful. It destroys lies. Once you leave Islam you are a free person and as a free person you can form a healthy marital relationship with another free person.
What should you tell to your parents? Nothing! You don’t owe them any explanation. They don’t own you and have no rights over you. Parents have a duty towards their children and children have a duty towards their parents. Parents must educate their children and raise them as free people. Education is not the same as indoctrination. The duty of children is to make sure that in their old age their parents are not left alone and in difficulty. The relationship must be horizontal, not vertical. It must be based on friendship. Even a four year child must be treated like a friend. I am a vegan because I regards even animals as my friends.
Parents who impose their own wills and beliefs on their children are abusing their rights and violating their freedom. Freedom is our birth right. No one gave it to us and no one can take it away from us. When you allow your parents to take away your freedom, you will also allow your teachers to do the same and your government to do the same.
Your parents are going even one step further and want to take the freedom of your boyfriend away from him. This sounds normal to Muslims, but it is sick. No Muslim would accept a deal like that, but they think it is okay to do it to others.
If you believe in Islam don’t marry anyone who is not a Muslim because your life and his will be hellish. And once you leave Islam never think of marrying a Muslim. Muslims are not normal people. Keep them apart. Interfaith marriages with Muslims have no happy endings.
Don’t ask things that are not good for you. Read my book and if you see for yourself that Islam is a sham, you will be free and then you become deserving to marry another free soul. If you still think Islam is from God or that Muhammad was a great man, you should not marry a free person because neither one of you will be happy.
I end this message with a positive note. It is a good sign that you have decided to look into the facts and want to read my book. I know that after you read it you will be a free person. I don’t say read it with an open mind. Muslims aften say read the Quran with an open mind and what they mean is, read it uncritically and accept any gobbledygook unquestioningly. That is not what I want you to do. I want you to read my book with a close mind. Don’t accept anything unless you are satisfied and deny whatever I say until you can no longer deny them. Just read the book. Truth will open your mind even though you put a lock on it.
The problem with Muslims is that they do not want to read anything that is critical of Islam. You never wanted to read FFI. Now you want to read my book because you realize you are about to lose your loving man. It doesn’t matter what is your motivation. I often tell people who have a loved one trapped in Islam to bribe them or trick them to read the book. Any Muslim who cares about truth and reads my book will leave Islam even if he or she reads it reluctantly. I have sent this book to many Muslims. Those who read it have left Islam. Those who wrote back to argue, did not read it. They started writing their rebuttal after reading a few pages. I know they have not read more than a few pages because of the kind of questions that they pose.
I am not a soothsayer, but I think you are on your way to freedom and a happy life with the man you love. Why? Because I believe truth is powerful and anyone who is exposed to it cannot resist it. You finally removed your blinders and are willing to read. That is all it takes to set you free.
Take care
Ali Sina
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Grace in wonderland,please give us a break with you bible lecture,Jesus who lived before has nothing to do with the Denominations practiced now ,they R all crooks,trust me,Jesus was a very simple man who lived for the downtrodden sick and one who were drenched with sins.Modern day christian faith is an absolute joke.
hello Junaidhope you read my reply some time ago under the letter from the hindu boy,as i wrote when will you would shed your US vs THEM mentality,i think you have no write to criticize others when AL QURAN it self preaches it,give the background my great grand dad who was a mullah (Shia cleric),i know (it) them too well.
Well and truly said Camroze.
If I had to be killed, I would definitely choose (1). Now, your turn.
junaid: Me: Why to use that kind of a word ??? I say: Because he is an idiot and his accusations of full of logical fallacies. I bet he never even read the email her boyfriend sent and was posted here.
//Till date, u muslims have committed 14,919 terror atatcks killing many all over the world. And u crib about Dravidians killing animals?This number is since 09/11/2001(less than a decade). If we set the counter from 7th century then the number would be in billions including the butchering of 100+ millioin Hindus.Here is the connection of two great evils, islam and naziesm(Exterminate Jews)http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/a…Primitive gas chambers, templates later adopted by the Nazis. Hitler was inspired by the Mufti who was an Ottoman Empire Officer in the Armenian genocide.(Exterminate Armenian Christians)http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2…
The Lord knows best how to kill me. By no means I can choose my way of death or day of death. <span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; color: #00b050; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">"Who know that they will have to meet their Lord, and that unto Him they are returning." [Qur'an: 2:46]</span></span> Let peace prevail,Yours lovingly,Junaid
If people like Londonspirit tells us, that he doesn't believe this story to be true, hes completely mistaken.I am in the exact same situation. I even emailed dr.sina as what to be done and asked for advice and what not.If dr sina, were here to promote his book, he need not send people free copies of it. He just wants people to know the flip side too. Most muslims just believe what they are taught. My granny still thinks, that the news which was spread about child having Quran verses on his skin, to be true !So u can imagine, how people wannaa hear good things about there stuff. And i completely understand, that everyone wanna hear praises about themselves, as how good they are, and how right they are. In midst of most of the debates, i figure, that how we humans put down the opposite person, to show how powerful they are.But hey, its just cuz, most people are in denial, unless they sit and think about it. P.S . i am in love with a hindu guy too, and yes i told my parents about him. And yes, they want him to convert . And if the same situation can happen to me, then why not to sara? or to anybody else? And junaid needs to read about quran and hadeeth, before discussing his uncertainties .
Yes and i also agree on the celebration of Bakri Eid ( slaughtering sheeps festival) to be totally disgusting !As a matter of fact, any festival which involves killing on another life is disgusting. Since childhood, i used to cry and sit inside in a corner of a room, when my family used to chill and enjoy seeing the animal gets killed. And if some muslims scholars think, that by cutting the animal's neck half way through, gives the animal less pain, gosh, u need to think again.The way i saw goats crying and breathing there last while the blood gushes out, doesn't give me a picture of the goat getting less pain or wat so ever.And now don't jump on me saying , oh she said, she used to sit in the corner of the room, that how did she witnessed the goat being killed? my parents used to make us sit and see it, so that we become brave ( watso ever again) I remember, when my brother slaughtered the goat for the first time as boy, he fell sick for almost 2 days. And people used to make fun of him saying, oh how timid. On celebrating festivals, i feel that some hindu festivals are far better than any other festivals. Not cuz i am in love with a hindu guy. Geez we don't even talk about festivals .Its cuz, it looks pretty, diwaali is full of lights, holi is full of colors, etc etc Well i can go and on and on about it. Ah wait, did i just planted a new cold war here ? lol
Being rude,crude and uncivilised idiotic etc is a typical moslem scum behaviour and no surprises there
Hi camroze in Neverland, How silly and foolish of you to ask me to trust in you without substantiating your false claims! If you think that the Christian faith is a joke, then you are also concurring that Atheism and all the religions you could find on this troublesome planet earth are nonsensical jokes too. In order to prove that Christianity is not a joke but the Way, the truth and the Life, may I suggest you to think why in the world, can't a man like you, walk around the city wide naked, just like the naked animals roam about the earth without a sense of shame at all? Why all the animals can copulate in front of you without any embarassment and why is it an offence for human beings to make love openly in front of a crowd of spectators? I hope to hear from you. CheersGrace
thrusty diety called allah is one of the many reason that persuade me to leave islam. Hundreds of millions of poor animal are savagely slaughtered to please allah around the world during Eid-ul-Adha.There is no such example of slaughtering in such a rate among any other group. There are some Hindu sect who still practice animal sacrifice but most of the hindu rejects such barbarity and a large number of Hindu consider killing any living creature is a gross sin. Consider Large number of Hindus are Vegetarian.Buddists are totally against animal killing and their relegious motto are" Killing is a great sin and non-violence is a absolute virtue".There is no ritual of animal sacrifice among Christian and Jews long ago abandone this barbaric practice. But it is the muslim who are engaged in this mass butchering of poor animal.My question to muslims how much blood are needed to please your blood thrusty allah? Why should be a animal killed just to wash away your sin.Why don't you sacrifice yourself to proove your loyalty,why a poor helpless amimal should be killed just as you want to acquire allah's blessing? Have you ever imagine yourself in the place of this animal that you are killing.If not then where are your humanity?How you would claim that you are compassionate?The naked truth is muslim never think what a horrible crime they are comitting in the name of religion.Yes we might not be able to be full vegetarian but our effort should be minimise the to avoid eating extra meat or fish. Infact extra protein is harmful to our health.So my appeal to the muslim,Wake up from your savage halucination called islam and try to be a little bit human.
Why am I not surprised that you avoided the question again?Just proves my point
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Thanks Samara. For once, I see a sensible muslim who can actually admit that certain traditions are wrong. It is only when we admit the mistake, can we make corrections. If more muslims were like Samara, perhaps Islam would have had a more favourable position among non-muslims now.
Samara, you might want to invite retarded uztad 'clown' LONDONSPIRIT to your parent, to affirming religion in islam is not compulsory as this bearded clown claimed
What actually is your POINT??? Please don't take people in your perspective. We are all individuals and its quite natural we think & write differently. What's there that doesn't surprise you? Be more elaborate. I am not clear with your flummox. Let peace prevail,Yours lovingly,Junaid
Dear Grace, Surprised at your acerbic words… is it Grace or someone in disguise??? Peace,Yours lovingly,Junaid
Dear Mr Junaid It's me. CheersGrace
I wonder why these 'so-called' Muslim girls always write to Ali Sina regarding their love affairs… I am surprised whether the genius is doing a matrimonial side-business (perhaps he needs to earn 'that' $50K) !!! Samara: "Most muslims just believe what they are taught." Dear Sarah, now tell me the truth: To what faith do you believe; I'm sure you CANNOT be a Muslim. These type of phrases never come up in a Muslim's mind. And since you had not yet confessed that you are an apostate, you cannot be a Muslim either. Please don't goof around to make the confusions prevailing here to become pip. Samara: "And i completely understand, that everyone wanna hear praises about themselves, as how good they are, and how right they are." Somehow, you made it right. I'm afraid your above parlance best suits your wedlock advisor and his cheerleaders! Samara: "And if the same situation can happen to me, then why not to sara? or to anybody else?" First Sara, then Samara, next is who? "Samahara"?
Samara: "And junaid needs to read about quran and hadeeth, before discussing his uncertainties" Well, this is bad; really bad. I hope someone advises you to read before you write about a person. You don't know about what I know. I've even told already that this is <span style="text-decoration: underline;">NOT</span> the place to discuss Al-Qur'an or the Ahadith. They are sacred. Let peace prevail,Yours lovingly,Junaid.
I asked you a simple question and you dared not even answer it. Why?Simply because you know you wouldn't choose option (2) but thats the option you use with animals. That's how cruel you muslims are.Anyway, check this out…http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/may/15/religion.worldhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2977086.stmIslamic way of killing animals is CRUEL!
Samara: "i saw goats crying" So, you've seen them 'laugh' as well, huh. Poor girl. Think you've developed "Temporal lobe epilepticus acromegalian narcissistic personalitical schizophrenial biopolar obsessive compulsive disorder" syndrome. [Genuine doctors pardon me; I've been reading Ali Sina's book so often !!!) Let peace prevail,Yours lovingly,Junaid
hello gracei feel a lot tempted to pick up a debate with you on this forum,but decided against it as this is meant for ignorant people like JUNAID whose mind is sick like Mohammad.
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">//Please don't take people in your perspective. We are all individuals and its quite natural we think & write differently. What's there that doesn't surprise you? Be more elaborate. I am not clear with your flummox.</span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">Gentle, peace and loving Juniad,</span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">When you agree that each individual is different in thinking, acting (and/or behaving) why you and other Islamists SAY that ISLAM IS THE ONLY WAY? Zakir Naik always say 2+2=4 only in Islam. In every generation since 14 centuries when every body thinks/acts differently why everybody still has to stuck in bondage called Islam? Every other person or religion has moved on, except Islam. </span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">When some individual think differently couple of days, not even about Mohammed or Islam in Shimoga, Karnataka two people lost their lives.</span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <a href="http://;http://www.hindu.com/2010/03/02/stories/2010030258380100.htm</span></span><p” target=”_blank”>;http://www.hindu.com/2010/03/02/stories/2010030258380100.htm</span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">Just for the sake of test, if you just think different (like every taquiah practiced Muslim says there is no compulsion in religion) and say your family, friends and society and inform them that Islam is a namesake peaceful religion. But in reality it is a most violent and oppressive religion and I am leaving it, lets see what happens.</span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">Hope one day you come out of a black hole called Islam and see the light of wisdom, humanity, love and compassion.</span></span>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">Junaid,</span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: small;">Knowingly or unknowingly you said it right. Samahara means a collection. Like tiny droplets of water make huge ocean, Samahara of women ultimately Samhara(kill) barbaric Islamic cult, since they are the most oppressed in this cult.</span></span>
I cant believe how you cant see that this is a fake story. It is so easy.There are just to many irrelevant matters in the story. Why would she get angry when her bf sowed her the website? surely she would have been angry when he talked to her about the website. Surely you talk to someone about something before you show them it unless its a surprise, which i dont think this was as she already seemed to have known about it. Sara wrote:<span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;"> I have always appreciated those people who deserve appreciation and I am writing you because you deserve appreciation.</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">ANSWER: wait a minute in a later paragraph she writes</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;"> ''My boyfriend wrote that once we visited your site together I accused him of insulting my faith. Yeah I did because I am tired of reading and hearing Islamic terrorism.''</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">So indirectly she should also be insulting ali sina not appraising him.</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">SARA WROTE:</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">I always read in the newspapers that the majority of illegal activities are carried out by muslims, whether it’s theft, rape, or abduction.</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">ANSWER: Another proof that this is fake because you dont read that in the newspaper, where all illigial activites are mainly carried out by muslims. That is total utter nonsense. Again another pscological way of putting islam down whilst being apologetic. </span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">SARA WROTE:</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;"> I am not like other muslims who intentionally target nonmuslims for conversion.</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">ANSWER: Again being very apologetic about her nature, trying to show that she is free minded but only doing this because of her parents. </span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">SAR WROTE:</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">I talked to my parents about my love, but they told me that my boyfriend has to convert.</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">ANSWER: Which parents say that. Again so much crap. iF muslims are how ali sina describes them than her parents should have either killed her or forced her from not seeing him. Either she is lying or ali sina is lying about muslims. </span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Secondly if her parents are those little minority which ali sina describes as moderate, than they wouldnt ask the guy to convert rather they would just let them be. </span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">No parents are happy when their child marries someone from another religion what ever religion you are. So first thing they would try to do is try and talk her out of it not encourage her. And as she is from india than most probably thats what they will make her do. </span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">Now the ultimate she said to ali sina the following:</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;"> ''I have heard so much about your book Understanding Muhammad. Now I want to read it. Can you tell how can I get it?''</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">This is a form of promotion because than readers get curious about the book and they will ask ali sina the very same thing as they want to now also know what is so special about this book. </span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;">SUCH A FRADULENT STORY</span>
To samara do you eat meat?
Lol, junaid u r funny . Samhara..,lolAnd the next thing i will see here wud be, oh these 2 girls are one at the same! lol Oh well, i wrote to dr.sina, cuz i was in a confused state of mind when i had to make important decisions in my life. U can see my post on the 'Fear of freedom' and ' self imposed prison of muslims' under the letters section. I just didn't write to ali sina, but also to some islamic sites, like islam-qa.com and also went personally to mosques to ask my doubts. But guess wat, those so called scholars spit on my face saying that i had no write to ask questions, which ofcourse they cannot answer . And that's when ali sina, came into play, whr i actually got beautiful advices and answers from him and they were so logical.I am a medical student too, so our doctors teach us medicine, they don't just ask us to believe watever is in the book. we debate, discuss and then reach to a conclusion, and the things which we don't know, hell we don't know !. we don't try to make up things to make the most ridiculous thing sound right. And if i am muslim or not ? Hmm thats good question, cuz no muslim girl will dare to ask questions about her religion, which i did. And am proud of myself, that i question and doubt everything, till the truth stands on by itself. Am still called a muslim, carry a muslim name, has muslim parents and friends and these things will def stay with me for life.But my belief and faith, umm i doubt about it.I will prolly believe in something which is infront of me , rather than dreaming about something unseen. I feel so much better now, that i can sctually do so many things on my own and don't have to look in the quran to see, if i am doing certain thing right or not.I no longer fear, that getting a bad dream is from the satan and putting drinking water from the left hand means drinking satan piss !. lolAnd yea, i was reading yesterday about camel's urine, as how prophet mohammed ordered some tribe people to drink camels milk and urine to get better.And the most funny part was , how islamic scholars bring so many evidences from again the kafir scientist to prove that camel's urine has so many medicinal value.I mean really ? lol And juniad, when i am writing it to ali sina about my problem, who are you to tell me, whom to write or not. Atleast ali sina bothered to give me advices or atleast read through my problems. continued ………………..
Hi camroze It will be great if we could have a debate but sadly, you decided to back out. I believe that Mr Junaid will come to his senses soon, provided that he continued to read and learn about truth from this website. Let's be patient and give Mr Junaid some time to accept the truth that what he believe in since childhood, is just a pack of lies, made up by the father of lies. CheersGrace
SAMARA WROTE:I just didn't write to ali sina, but also to some islamic sites, like islam-qa.com and also went personally to mosques to ask my doubts. But guess wat, those so called scholars spit on my face saying that i had no write to ask questions, which ofcourse they cannot answer . ANSWER: Did they really spit on your face? lol. I aint an imam but i can satisfactorily answer all the questions you have in mind. I guarantee you any question you have to ask has already been answer. Like the camel urine and for the people to drink it: The hadith is as saying: Narrated Abu Qilaba: <span style="color: #008000;">"Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) <big><span style="text-decoration: underline;">camels and to drink their milk and urine</span></big> (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron</span>, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . </span> SAMARA WROTE:I am a medical student too, so our doctors teach us medicine, they don't just ask us to believe watever is in the book. ANSWER: Well it loks to me as you probably failing your medicine course. I dont think the prophet was wrong to tell these people to drink camel urine. Ithink your just really uneducated in your field. I done some research of urine being used as medicine and got the following: <span style="color: #008000;">Premarin® stands for Pregnant Mares' Urine (PREgnant MARes' urINe) </span> <span style="color: #008000;">Premarin (including Prempro, Premphase, Prempac, and Premelle) is a drug made up of conjugated estrogens obtained from the urine of pregnant mares — put out in many forms (pills, creams, injections, patches, vaginal rings) and is used to reduce the symptoms of menopause in women or women who have had a hysterectomy. It is also prescribed to nearly eliminate the risk of osteoporosis (the brittling of bones) and reduce the chance of heart disease in women over 50."</span> Nano-particles in Camels’ urine may help treat cancer Current research is being done using camel urine to treat cancer and horse urine is already used for other medical purposes so was the prophet right. And guess what after drinking the camel milk and urine they became healthy. Its a two way street you cant look at one part of the hadith and start a discussion about it and not take into consideration the part where it says they became healthy. SAMARA WROTE:And if i am muslim or not ? Hmm thats good question, cuz no muslim girl will dare to ask questions about her religion, which i did. And am proud of myself, that i question and doubt everything, till the truth stands on by itself. ANSWER: sTOP speaking out of your ass. Watch tapes of dr. zakir naik and you will see many muslim woman asking questions about islam. SAMARA WROTE:I feel so much better now, that i can sctually do so many things on my own and don't have to look in the quran to see, if i am doing certain thing right or not. ANSWER: You dont have to look in the quran to see if your doing right or wrong. Your instinct can tell you that. Quran doesnt generally teach do's and dont, it gives laws about divorce, marriage, how men and woman should be treated and so on. SAMARA WROTE:I no longer fear, that getting a bad dream is from the satan and putting drinking water from the left hand means drinking satan piss !. lol ANSWER: Dont know where you got that from. SAMARA WROTE:And the most funny part was , how islamic scholars bring so many evidences from again the kafir scientist to prove that camel's urine has so many medicinal value. I mean really ? lol ANSWER: No the funny thing is how you fail to acknowledge that animal urine is already used as medicine. And if they didnt believe that camel urine can be used to cure diseases i dont think they would be using it has a method or proposal. An i mean really. lol. you should just check on the internet. I read through all your issues like ali sina. And coming to a conclusion i think your a flop medical student. Because as a student myself i know that research is required before you state it. Clearly you aint done no research in how urine is use din current medical affiars and future
London spirit – Would u drink camel's urine to cure ur illnesses? All 4 years of my med school, i was taught, that urine is a waste product of the body, not just human body but any living being, they excrete substances, which is termed as urine.If urine were good for the body, it ain't come out, it would just stay inside, making us immortal .lol At one point, it is suggested that urine can be used as a treatment, and the next moment , the prophet asks his people to clean themselves frequently after passing urine, and not a drop of urine should be on the body or on the clothes for your prayer to be accepted. How can urine which is considered as a taboo for the skin can be healthy for the organ system?I seriously don't get it . If i say that, its lot of proteins, in the feces, will u go eat ur feces? NO. And the thing which u are called as PREMARIN, which is an exctracted substance from mare's urine, is used for Menopausal women, by saying this, u are confirming that those people were old women, and they became healthy and killed the shepherd and wat not.I wonder, if the urine acted like a psychotic agent for them, and they became all high and furious that they killed the shepherd! And then prophet realized that, wat has he done, by giving them the medicine, so he ordered his men to go after them and kill them too ! Not just kill, but burn thr eyes, cut hands and legs, u know all the sadist stuff
I mean yea, Great Job ! If u ask me, that did they really spit on me? My just one sentence makes u doubt ! How can u believe in every damn thing of a random man, comes to you, and tells you that he is a god sent messenger? Won't you question him? Won't u ask him to prove it?But here, every muslim just believes it , and more over tries to justify even the wrong doings. Life is precious. I won't kill my patient's just because the drug i prescribed, made them psychotic and they acted weird and killed my security guard and drove away the people in my clinic.I will doubt my own medicine! The people came to prophet, becuz the climate thr, didn't suit them, not cuz they were undergoing menopause! And puhleez, don't even go near, how good/bad a student i am. If i were a bad medical student, i wudn't be even accepted in any university programs 
And now the next thing which prophet said was, to dip a fly which fell in your drink 3 times! and they drink it !.lol lol lol One leg has poison , the other one has medicinal properties. I wud go on laughing on the stupidness of the theories. GL . Junaid, disprove me that prophet didn't had temporal lobe epilepsy!Prolly, am asking the wrong person here, who is not a medico, so the question comes back to LONDON spirit 
LS: "I aint an imam but i can satisfactorily answer all the questions you have in mind. I guarantee you any question you have to ask has already been answer. Like the camel urine and for the people to drink it" <span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;">LS, May camel piss on muhammed's face the stupid tribe have a problem with the climate, they dont have menopause's symptoms or crippling bones, so your answer is IRRELEVANT. Get your mum to drink camel urine to reduce her heart disease LS, what about telling these girls parents that no compulsory in pisslam?? </span>
londonspirit: ANSWER: Did they really spit on your face? lol. I aint an imam but i can satisfactorily answer all the questions you have in mind. I guarantee you any question you have to ask has already been answer. Like the camel urine and for the people to drink it: The hadith is as saying: The hadith is as saying: Narrated Abu Qilaba: <span style="color: #008000;">"Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) <big><span style="text-decoration: underline;">camels and to drink their milk and urine</span></big> (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron</span>, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle . </span> SAMARA WROTE:I am a medical student too, so our doctors teach us medicine, they don't just ask us to believe watever is in the book. ANSWER: Well it loks to me as you probably failing your medicine course. I dont think the prophet was wrong to tell these people to drink camel urine. Ithink your just really uneducated in your field. I done some research of urine being used as medicine and got the following: <span style="color: #008000;">Premarin® stands for Pregnant Mares' Urine (PREgnant MARes' urINe) </span> <span style="color: #008000;">Premarin (including Prempro, Premphase, Prempac, and Premelle) is a drug made up of conjugated estrogens obtained from the urine of pregnant mares — put out in many forms (pills, creams, injections, patches, vaginal rings) and is used to reduce the symptoms of menopause in women or women who have had a hysterectomy. It is also prescribed to nearly eliminate the risk of osteoporosis (the brittling of bones) and reduce the chance of heart disease in women over 50."</span> I say: <h2><span class="mw-headline">Camel Urine in the Hadiths</span></h2> <div style="border: 1px solid #a8a8a8; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% #f5fdfe; padding: 6pt;">Narrated Anas:Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). <div style="text-align: right; font-size: 85%;"><a class="external text" title="http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/082.sbt.html#008.082.794" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/082.sbt.html#008.082.794">Sahih Bukhari 8:82:794</div></div> <div style="border: 1px solid #a8a8a8; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% #f5fdfe; padding: 6pt;">Anas b. Malik reported that some people belonging (to the tribe) of 'Uraina came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Medina, but they found its climate uncongenial. So Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to them: If you so like, you may go to the camels of Sadaqa and drink their milk and urine. They did so and were all right. <div style="text-align: right; font-size: 85%;"><a class="external text" title="http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/016.smt.html#016.4130" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/016.smt.html#016.4130">Sahih Muslim 16:4130</div></div> <div style="border: 1px solid #a8a8a8; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% #f5fdfe; padding: 6pt;">"A tradtionalist told me from one who had told him from Muhammad b. Talha from Uthman v. Abdul-Rahman that in the raid of Muharib and B. Thalaba the apostle had captured a slave called Yasar, and he put him in charge of his milch-camels to shepherd them in the neighborhood of al-Jamma. Some men of Qays of Kubba of Bajila came to the apostle suffering from an epidemic and enlarged spleens, and the apostle told them that if they went to the milch camels and drank their milk and their urine they would recover, so off they went. <div style="text-align: right; font-size: 85%;"><a class="external text" title="http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/shepherds.htm" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/shepherds.htm">From The Sirat Rasul Allah ( The Life of The Prophet of God ), by Ibn Ishaq (3) pages 677, 678</div></div> It appears Muhammed believed camel urine had medicinal value and prescribed it to cure the men’s illness.There is also the possibility the use of camel urine was a cultural thing among the bedouin Arabs as camels had many valuable uses among the people of ancient Arabia. How use of the camel was viewed in ancient Arabia. <div style="border: 1px solid #a8a8a8; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% #f5fdfe; padding: 6pt;">For centuries the Nabataean moved goods in the desert by camel caravan. The camel was the backbone of their merchant enterprise, and it is only through understanding the camel, that we can better understand the Nabataean. While the Nabataeans are mostly remembered in the west for the ancient city of Petra, the Nabataeans themselves etched graffiti on many of the rocks and wadi walls of the Middle East. Many of these inscriptions bear reference to or pictures of camels and are the items that the common people left behind in their own memory. The Bedouin use the camel for many purposes, including transport, meat, milk, and sometimes they make use of their skins. Camels were also used in war.The Bedouin use the camel to scout out new grazing land before they move. The camel then changes to a pack animal, carrying tents, equipment and women and children.The Bedouin also live off of the milk of camels. For many Bedouin, milk replaces water in their diet, sometimes living off of several camels at a time. Often a young camel is killed and eaten, and the mother camel is milked each day. If the calf is not killed, then they share the mother's milk, using one side of the udder for the calf and the other for themselves.The camel also supplies the Bedouin with a ready supply of meat. Often camels are slaughtered for an occasion, and the whole tribe partakes in the meal. Often a young camel is slaughtered, that has not been used as beasts of burden or for ploughing, as the meat of these animals is considerably tougher.From the hide of the camel, the Bedouin make containers to keep water in, and buckets to raise water from wells or pools, or even troughs to put water in for the camels to drink. From this hide, Bedouin also make sandals for themselves, as well as other leather items for the tent.The fur of the camel is used to weave bags for gain of flour and to make tent panels for flaps, or to make an aba for the owner of the house, or a cover for the saddle of his horse. Usually the fur is only taken as the camel sheds its fur during the beginning of the summer. Often the women collect it before it falls out, and some try to hide it from the men and sell it secretly so they can buy bits of cheap jewelry.Camel dung is used as fuel for fires in the winter, and sometimes for cooking food. Camel urine is often used as a hair wash to protect it from knits, and to give it a reddish hue. Some even drink the urine as medicine for certain diseases. In the past, the mahr, or dowry given to a bride was paid by a fixed number of camels, depending on the social standing of the bride and her family, or the bride groom’s ability to pay. <div style="text-align: right; font-size: 85%;"><a class="external text" title="http://www.nabataea.net/camel.html" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nabataea.net/camel.html">The Camel:Ancient ship of the Desert and the Nabataeans</div></div> <div style="border: 1px solid #a8a8a8; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% #f5fdfe; padding: 6pt;">Arab poets have often called the camel the 'ship of the desert." Long ago, Saydah Dhu alRumma said that his she-camel was a safiinat al-barr or land ship. His poem stated "a land-ship whose reins beneath my cheek are passed." <div style="text-align: right; font-size: 85%;"><a class="external text" title="http://www.nabataea.net/camel.html" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nabataea.net/camel.html">Dhu lRumma, Diwan, edited by Charlile Henry Hayes Macartney, Cambridge, 1919, page 638</div></div> According to Plinio Prioreschi, author of A History of Medicine: Byzantine and Islamic Medicine, the use of camel urine as medicine might have been a common remedy in Muhammed's time. According to Prioreschi there is some evidence the Arabs might have used the usual mixture of musical folk formulas and crude medicine including Drekapotheke ( excrement ).Obviously the camel played an important role to the bedouin Arabs and it is obvious where Muhammed got the idea of camel urine having medicinal properties.<a id="The_use_of_camel_urine_in_the_Muslim_world" name="The_use_of_camel_urine_in_the_Muslim_world"><h2><span class="editsection"> </span><span class="mw-headline">The use of camel urine in the Muslim world</span></h2> In an interview in the Saudi Gazette, Dr. Faten Abdel-Rahman Khorshid states Nano-particles in camel urine may help treat cancer. <div style="border: 1px solid #a8a8a8; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% #f5fdfe; padding: 6pt;">After spending more than five years in lab research, this Saudi scientist and faculty member from King Abdul Aziz University (KAAU) and President of the Tissues Culture Unit at King Fahd Center for Medical Research, has discovered that nano-particles in the urine of camels can attack cancer cells with success. Her work began with experiments involving camel urine, cancer cells found in patients’ lungs and culminated in injecting mice with leukemic cancel cells and camel urine to test the results. Speaking to the Saudi Gazette, Dr. Khorshid claimed that she was inspired by Prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) medical advice and that camel urine consists of natural substances that work to eradicate malignant cells and maintain the number of healthy cells in a cancer patient. “This treatment is not an invention, but rather, taken from our Prophet’s legacy,” she remarked. A Hadith narrated by Al-Bukhari (2855) and Muslim (1671) claims that some people came to Madina and fell ill with bloated abdomens. The Prophet (pbuh) told them to combine the milk and urine of a camel and drink that, after which they recovered. A swollen abdomen may indicate edema, liver disease or cancer. Dr. Khorshid added that she is not a medical doctor but a scientist and her job involves the preparation and testing of a drug in the lab and supervising the manufacture, testing and application of the drug. “We have researched and studied (camel urine) for seven years, during which we have tested the effectiveness of camel urine in fighting cancer to prerequisites set by the International Cancer Institute,” she explained. According to her published study on the subject, the clinical trial her team conducted on patients indicated that the medicine (capsules and syrup) did not entail any harmful side effects. In the case of a volunteer patient with lung cancer, the medicine helped in halving the size of the tumor after only one month. The patient, and others like him, are still undergoing treatment. Heeding the advice found in the Hadith, Dr. Khorshid is combining specific amounts of camel milk and urine to develop her medicine and focuses on particular types of cancer, including lung cancer, blood cancer, stomach cancer, colon cancer, brain tumors and breast cancer. She added that she advises all of her volunteer patients to use fresh camel milk and urine with the two components given individually for a period of time and then combined together later. Other illnesses, including vitiligo (depigmentation in certain areas of the skin), eczema and psoriasis (an autoimmune disease which affects the skin and joints). However, Dr. Khorshid adds that she will only dispense this medicine to patients on a non-voluntary basis when pharmaceutical companies obtain a license to do so. Currently, the medication is still undergoing tests. <div style="text-align: right; font-size: 85%;"><a class="external text" title="http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2009071143333" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2009071143333">Nano-particles in Camels’ urine may help treat cancer – Saudi Gazette</div></div> From Islam Q and A <div style="border: 1px solid #a8a8a8; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% #f5fdfe; padding: 6pt;">The hadeeth referred to by the questioner is a saheeh hadeeth, in which it says that some people came to Madeenah and fell sick. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to drink the milk and urine of camels, and they recovered and grew fat. In the story it also says that they apostatized and killed the camel-herder, then the Muslims caught them and executed them. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2855) and Muslim (1671). With regard to the health benefits of drinking the milk and urine of camels, they are many, and they are well known to the earlier generations of medical science and they have been proven by modern scientific research. <div style="text-align: right; font-size: 85%;"><a class="external text" title="http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/83423" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/83423">The Benefits of Drinking Camel Urine</div></div> <div style="border: 1px solid #a8a8a8; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% #f5fdfe; padding: 6pt;">Ibn al-Qayyim said: The author of al-Qanoon (the Canon) – i.e. the doctor Ibn Seena (Avicenna) – said: The most beneficial of urine is the urine of Bedouin camels which are called najeeb. <div style="text-align: right; font-size: 85%;"><a class="external text" title="http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/83423" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/83423">The Benefits of Drinking Camel Urine</div></div> Islam Q and A states that the benefits of camel urine have been well known to earlier generations of medical science and have been proven by modern scientific research. The problem with their assertion is most of the scientists who are promoting camel urine as a medical cure are Muslim. However the drinking of camel urine is part of an alternative medicine movement called urine therapy and the American Cancer Society’s position is that scientific evidence does not support individual claims that urine or urea given in any form is helpful for cancer patients and that the safety of urine therapy has not been confirmed by scientific studies.Also camel urine was found to cause a significant cytotoxic effect in the bone marrow cells of mice: <div style="border: 1px solid #a8a8a8; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% #f5fdfe; padding: 6pt;">Camel urine treatment was found to cause a significant cytotoxic effect in the bone marrow cells of mice. This cytotoxicity at higher doses was comparable with that of standard drug cyclophosphamide (CP). However, unlike CP, the camel urine treatment failed to induce any clastogenicity. The cytotoxicity induced by camel urine treatment was substantiated by the reduction of liver nucleic acids and glutathione levels and increased malondialdehyde (MDA) contents in the same animals. CP treatment was found to be highly clastogenic, cytotoxic and it reduced the levels of nucleic acids, proteins, glutathione and increased malondialdehyde concentration due to its prooxidant nature. The non-clastogenic nature of camel urine was attributed to the antioxidant and antimutagenic compounds present in camel urine. Pretreatment with camel urine increased the cytotoxicity of CP and intensified the CP induced reduction of liver nucleic acids, glutathione and increased the MDA concentration. The increase of CP induced cytotoxicity appears to be partly due to the additive effect of the two treatments on cellular lipid peroxidation. Cytotoxic means the quality of being toxic to cells. <div style="text-align: right; font-size: 85%;"><a class="external autonumber" title="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8771453" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8771453">1</div></div> Camel Urine contains Hippuric Acid. Hippuric Acid is a carboxylic acid found in the urine of horses and other herbivores. High concentrations of this acid can indicate a toluene intoxification: <div style="border: 1px solid #a8a8a8; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% #f5fdfe; padding: 6pt;">Serious adverse behavioral effects are often associated with toluene abuse related to the deliberate inhalation of solvents. Long term toluene exposure is often associated with effects such as: psycho-organic syndrome; visual evoked potential (VEP) abnormality toxic poly neuropathy, cerebellar, cognitive, and pyramidal dysfunction; optic atrophy; and brain lesions. <div style="text-align: right; font-size: 85%;"><a class="extiw" title="w:Toluene (toxicology)" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene_%28toxicology%29#Effects_of_long_term_exposure">Toluene (toxicology)</div></div> In an effort to prove the miracle of camel urine Muslims cite this article from the BBC: <div style="border: 1px solid #a8a8a8; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% #f5fdfe; padding: 6pt;">Scientists from the United Arab Emirates have proposed using one of the world's hardiest mammals – the camel – in the campaign to fight and eradicate human diseases. Dead cattle in Cumbria Camels are free from viruses such as foot and mouth A team led by Dr Sabah Jassim, from the Zayed Complex for Herbal Research and Traditional Medicine, says camels are highly resistant to many deadly viral diseases and believes their antibodies could be used for new drugs.Natural immunityBut as well as these advantages, they have immune systems that are so robust. They remain free from many of the viral diseases that affect other mammals, such as foot-and-mouth and rinderpest.The antibodies that camels carry inside them are structurally much simpler than those of humans, and Dr Sabah Jassim suggests they could be much simpler to replicate artificially than human antibodies.Writing in the British Institute of Biology's magazine, The Biologist, Dr Jassim says the small size of camel antibodies would also allow them to penetrate deep into human tissue and cells that would not be otherwise accessible. He said the camel antibodies, by being transported from the desert sands into the laboratory test tube, had the potential to be a vital weapon against human diseases. <div style="text-align: right; font-size: 85%;"><a class="external text" title="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1702393.stm" rel="nofollow" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1702393.stm">Camels Could Help Cure Humans</div></div> In regards to the natural immunity of camels anyone who has basic knowledge in microbiology understands that antibodies are specialized cells in our bodies that attack foreign bodies and kills the invading disease or any other foreign object. Currently We are not aware that antibodies come in smaller packages than others that can penetrate deep into human tissue and cells, nor does this mean camel urine has antibodies. In fact antibodies generally don't show up in urine unless the host is fighting an infection. In that case camel urine should not be prescribed as medicine.<a id="Conclusion" name="Conclusion"> <span style="color: #008000;"> </span> <span style="color: #008000;"></span> <span style="color: #008000;"></span>
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ANSWER: Britian has a larger educational standard than any US state. They have the most recognised universities throughout the world. What we learn in our universities is far more complex than what you learn i nyours thats why we have many people from usa coming to our unis.
I say:
From forbes.com: http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/03/world-best-universities-leadership-thought-leaders-jiaotong.html
In Pictures: The Top 25 Universities in The World
Since the methodology is skewed toward institutions that prioritize research and boast strong science and engineering programs, the list is dominated by tech-heavy schools. Stanford, Berkeley, Cambridge and MIT round out the top five. Caltech, Johns Hopkins and Carnegie Mellon also earn high marks.
North American schools dominate the list, winning 59 of the top 100 spots. Europe is home to 32 of the top 100, and Asia home to nine. The U.S. boasts more top schools than any other country, followed by the U.K., Japan, Germany, Canada, France, Australia, Switzerland, Sweden and the Netherlands. No African or South American schools crack the top 100.
USAtoday’s top 400 Universities:
http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-universities/2010/02/25/worlds-best-universities-top-400.html
Demsci. Wow man, you really are level-headed, I'm pretty sure you won't convict a single person wrongly were you to be a great Dutch Judge of many years, as for londonspirit, he confirms it, that an education on a subject, is in no way equal to a good judgement on the same issue, have a good one.
<span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">SAMARA WROTE: Would u drink camel's urine to cure ur illnesses?</span><span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">London spirit-ANSWER: Your a crappy med student arent you. Because although waste products coming out of your body are waste it also have some nourishments. Your saying that would I drink urine. The answer is no. Because i am healthy.</span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Georgia, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px;">ME- Oops LS, i asked you, if u wud drink camel's urine to cure ur ILLNESSES, not when u are healthy. SO basically, u are saying, that if u fall sick, u wud def drink it . </span></span></span></span>At first you are say its a body waste, and the next word u say, it carries nourishments. We, all know, we take out, wat we eat ! If i am a diabetic, i will have lots of glucose in my urine, will that make my urine more nutritious? lol. Same way, if a patient has nephrotic syndrome , they will excrete more proteins in thr urine- But for sure i won't prescribe my patient that protein-delicious urine to build thr biceps
LS wrote:<span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">Today we dont have to resort to taking such actions cause we have many medications that use are there to heal our wounds.</span><span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">ME: Today we don't have to follow the sharia laws because we have better and civilized laws, that are used to make us a better person. Y do we still go back to 7th century laws and regulations?</span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Today we use airplanes and cars, instead of camels , because they are no doubt a lot better and convenient.</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">U said, "we dont have to resort to taking such actions " – LS u too believe, that we don't have to degrade ourselves to that level, because we have better ways to about it.</span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">LS: As a medical student studying 4 years in medicine you are expected to know that. And urine is not just a waste product because even human urine has some benfits.</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">ME: I see how you always direct the topic on me as a medical student 
</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Which is okay, cuz i don't have to prove you wat kind of student i am (unless u r my patient) We all know, if someone is in med school, they gotta be smart 
</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">As i said earlier, if more glucose in the urine, makes it more nourishing, go ahead and serve urself with it, when u are hypoglycemic 
</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">LS: <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">You also wrote is urine is good for the body than it wont come out. What a layman answer is that. you sure your a student of medicine.</span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Me: Again, bringing up my medical student status. I assure you LS, when u are in need of medical help, i will def provide you with the best treatment .</span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">By the way, that's how the body works! The kidney absorbs wat ever is needed, and then excrete the remaining, which it doesn't! And you want the body to take even the waste, just cuz it has nourishment!</span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">[Hey, kidney kidney, how dare u threw out that protein, arganine, vitamins, and all the list, which LS has given? I am gonna put in back till u stop excreting them. lol]</span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">LS: <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">Your not a mdeical student at all. your a lier. Because even i know that some medicines are to be taken as a solid state(tablets) and some as a liquid because it gives different effects to the body.</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">Me: Decide first, if u wannaa name me as a crappy medical student or a liar. cuz both cannot go hand in hand. Its so easy to name someone a liar, and thats wat u are doing. </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">As far as i know, solid and liquid medicines, contain the same composition.</span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">LS: Just like if you rub urine along your body. it compounds within the urine may effect your skin or whatever but the main reason you dont do it becuase you will stink of piss. Stop giving layman answers.</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">ME: Lol. Here, i meant, how urine is considered as an impure substance by the prophet and that is y it needs to be clean. That's the reason i asked, if it is considered impure, y is it not impure to drink it ?</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">Am sure, if urine on skin stinks, by drinking urine ur breath will stink too!</span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">LS: That is a stupid answer because i just gave an example of how urine is used in modern medicine. you have just read some article which i also read, where the person said that the people that the prophet killed must have been woman in their menopause state. The prophet said to these people to drink urine and milk of camel becuase from the hadith it says <span style="outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; color: #008000; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;">Medina and its climate did not suit them.</span> So based on the hadith we dont know what problem they have had it could have been anything, further more we know its not woman because in those days woman dont travel alone.</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">Me: If people get sick by the climate change, thr cud be a lotttt of reasons. Human body mechanisms haven't changed from the 7th century till now.</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">If appendix was a vestigial organ back then, even now, it is still a vestigial organ!</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">So prolly they were dehydrated or in my differential in could be an adjustment disorder , we can go into details of wat cud exactly might have happened later.</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">But for sure we now know, that those people were not women, cuz they weren't allowed to travel alone!</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">So i have no idea how the men got all energetic from the PREMARIN excrete of mare's urine. Did it instantly cure thr osteoporosis? Again a diff questions arises – were those men OLD to have osteoporosis at first place?</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">When we say, some things are EXTRACTED from a tree or pig or watever. We say it is EXTRACTED.</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Thr are so many medicines which are again extracted from trees, but we don't prescribe to go ahead and eat the bark of the tree! </span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Thr is lots of calcium in the feces, so i won't tell my patients to eat feces, to get the calcium!!!</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">LS: Again i dont think your a med student or if you are i think your just a shabby one, because you cant seem to read. he hadith says<span style="outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; color: #008000; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;"> So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels.</span>These men killed the person looking after the camels because they thought the camel had special healing powers thats why the prophet order the men to be killed. They unjustly killed another man for no reason. This is called justice. Justice is not putting a murderer in jail for a few years and let him enjoy free activites whilst inside at the tax payers expense, whilst the family of the deceased suffers.</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">ME: The people respected prophet, and thats the only reason, they even agreed to drink urine! And they acted all psychotic, because no person, respecting his master wud do such an act! </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">If i prescribe my patient some sedative and if he goes and dashes his car into others and kills them, who's responsible for it? the doctor or the patient who did it? But if you still wants to take that person and cut in hands and legs and put heated iron on his eyes and kill him. i seriously doubt on ur judgment !</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">If killing a person is better than keeping him in prison shows, how valuable a life is for you. </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">If my patient acquires HIV infection, i won't kill him saying, he deserves to die, rather than wasting the health care benefits on him !</span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">LS: No i wont believe a random man coming to me an saying his the prohet i would think his a crazy man. because the prophet said he is the seal of the prophet. But if someone comes and tells me in the near distant future that he is jesus or the mahdi or the dajjal, than yes with acknologed proof i will believe because the prophet stated these people comings.</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">ME: Yes, but how wud u believe that prophet was the right in sealing the prophecy?</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">If u were at his time, and if he told u, that hes the last one, would u believe it? is yes, WHY?</span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">LS: Any one can get accepted into universitiy programs but like anyone else can get into it anyone can fail. An i think your a failure in your uni program.</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">ME: Here in America, they just don't take ANYBODY, am not sure how is it in LONDON though 
</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">And don't waste your time, thinking how good/bad i am . That's attacking someone personally. I never said anything bad to YOU, because i don't know you and i don't judge people without knowing them 
</span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">LS: Prove me hi did</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">ME: I didn't get it </span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"></span></span>
IBNSHR WROTE:what about the surah 5:51 and the one that say jews from ape and jew were cursedyour PIMP allah contradicts itself you see it but you dont understand ANSWER: In regards to jews being called apes. The quran is not contradicting it is you that has intellectual defieincy that cant undertsand how to put the story into context, that is how stupid you are. The verse you quote is 2:65, which says 002.065YUSUFALI: And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." If you read the verse from 2:63 you will et the picture, which says the following: 002.063YUSUFALI: And remember We took your covenant and We raised above you (The towering height) of Mount (Sinai):(Saying): "Hold firmly to what We have given you and bring (ever) to remembrance what is therein: Perchance ye may fear Allah." 002.064YUSUFALI: But ye turned back thereafter: Had it not been for the Grace and Mercy of Allah to you, ye had surely been among the lost. 002.065YUSUFALI: And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." 002.066YUSUFALI: So We made it an example to their own time and to their posterity, and a lesson to those who fear Allah. Now you can understand that it was reffering to a specific group of people that sinned and rejected the message, that is why they were cursed. Look at the verse properly, we know that Allah was talking about the jews, but the verse 2:65 clearly says ''those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes,''. Allah is cursing the people who transgressed, not the jews who followed the message. This is how ignorant you are that you cant even pick up on basics like this. I am serious now, dont you feel embarassed to quote some references accuse that source of being disgraceful, when the answer your looking for is staring right back at your face. And like I said the other verse you quote means protectors, not friend. you can find answers just by looking through the net. Inother verses of the quran it says: <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'AGA Arabesque';"><span>[</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;">O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah as witnesses to fair dealings and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just, that is next to piety. Fear Allah, indeed Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'AGA Arabesque';"><span>]</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;"> (Al-<span class="SpellE">Ma’dah</span> 5 :8) In another place in the <span class="SpellE">Qur'an</span>, Allah Almighty says: </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'AGA Arabesque';"><span>[</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;">Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as <span class="SpellE">wali</span>). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'AGA Arabesque';"><span>]</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;"> (Al-<span class="SpellE">Mumtahinah</span> 60: 8-9)</span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;">So here the message is saying be just to people of other faiths. </span> <span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;">So its not the quran that is contradicting it is you brain capacity that is lacking brain cells.</span>
BUSTED DIVINITY WROTE:I spent the better part of 25 years of my life as a Muslim, your dodge tactic will not do you good so also your uncharming prattle, Christians are to be subjugated, fought and never to be taken ín uniformity as the Muslims brethren. ANSWER: Wow you spent 25 years as a muslim. And your point is?. If you have read the quran and understanded it than you wouldnt have made such assumptions. Because you have now quoted 3 verses, which have been answered 100's of times by many imam and scholors around the globe. I dont have to waste my time giving an answer although i have already done i nthe previous post, but the answers are readily available to you thorughout the net.
SAMARA WROTE:<span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial,Georgia,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px;">ME- Oops LS, i asked you, if u wud drink camel's urine to cure ur ILLNESSES, not when u are healthy. SO basically, u are saying, that if u fall sick, u wud def drink it . </span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial,Georgia,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px;">ANSWER: If a doctor told me drinking urine was a way to heal me than yes of course i would. Any person in the world would. If a doctor told someone with cancer that to heal your symptoms you have to drink camel urine in portions for 6 months, than i guarantee they would do it and even you would. So dont give me that crap. There are many things in medicine that many people would find sick</span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial,Georgia,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px;">Dont you think those ladies in their menopause are not taking that medicine that has horse urine extracts?.</span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial,Georgia,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: 10px; line-height: 10px;">SAMARA WROTE: </span></span></span></span>We, all know, we take out, wat we eat ! If i am a diabetic, i will have lots of glucose in my urine, will that make my urine more nutritious? lol. Same way, if a patient has nephrotic syndrome , they will excrete more proteins in thr urine- But for sure i won't prescribe my patient that protein-delicious urine to build thr biceps
ANSWER: That is such a stupid answer. Your defo not a med student. If your going to make comparisons like that you might as well say that if you want to become strong you need to eat a lion, if you want to swim faster you need to eat a shark, if you want to improve your eye sight you need to eat owl eyes. That is such a stupid form of answering, because we all know that there needs to be successful chemical reactions within compounds to make something work and the enviroment has to be adaptable for that particular thing. If you make such comparisons than what link is their between carrots and eyes, because carrots are known to help improve eye sight. SAMARA WROTE:<span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Today we use airplanes and cars, instead of camels , because they are no doubt a lot better and convenient.</span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">ANSWER: You just answered your own question.Thank you. Yes today we dont have to use camels because we got cars or aircraft, hence we also dont have to resort to herbs, which the chinese used, because we got medicine, likewise we dont have to drink urine because we got medicine. </span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">Me: Decide first, if u wannaa name me as a crappy medical student or a liar. cuz both cannot go hand in hand. Its so easy to name someone a liar, and thats wat u are doing. </span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">As far as i know, solid and liquid medicines, contain the same composition.</span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">ANSWER: Yes they can go hand in hand, you can be a crappy med student and a lier. You say you can give me the best treatment, but you cant tell the difference why some medicines are in solid state and some in liquid even though they contain the same active ingrediant. GO BACK TO MED SCHOOL.</span></span></span></span> The reason is the same as to why some cleaning detergents come in spray format and some come in liquid. But obviously now we are not dealing with the effects it has on inhalation but the effects it has during consumtion an how the body breaks down the composition of that tablet or liquid. SAMARA WROTE:<span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">ME: Lol. Here, i meant, how urine is considered as an impure substance by the prophet and that is y it needs to be clean. That's the reason i asked, if it is considered impure, y is it not impure to drink it ?</span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">Am sure, if urine on skin stinks, by drinking urine ur breath will stink too!</span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">ANSWER: There is something called washing your mouth after. </span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">When we say, some things are EXTRACTED from a tree or pig or watever. We say it is EXTRACTED.</span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Thr are so many medicines which are again extracted from trees, but we don't prescribe to go ahead and eat the bark of the tree! </span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Thr is lots of calcium in the feces, so i won't tell my patients to eat feces, to get the calcium!!!</span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">ANSWER: Again stupid answer, because the active ingrediant is still tree, or pig. So you are still consuming extracts of that animal</span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">If i was to tell you i made a lovely curry but i also put one pinch of slug extracts, that would be enough to put you off as well as me becuase we know that there is bits of slug in that curry. </span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">ME: The people respected prophet, and thats the only reason, they even agreed to drink urine! And they acted all psychotic, because no person, respecting his master wud do such an act!</span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">ANSWER: Are you trying to prove your a med student by giving medical examples after every answer. Whether you do or not i dont care because i dont know nothing about medicine therefore your just speaking jibberish to me. And your probably just trying to show just the bits that you do know to try an make yourself look smart. </span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">ME: Yes, but how wud u believe that prophet was the right in sealing the prophecy?</span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">ANSWER: Because that has been a message passed from jesus and moses. </span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">ME: Here in America, they just don't take ANYBODY, am not sure how is it in LONDON though 
</span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">And don't waste your time, thinking how good/bad i am . That's attacking someone personally. I never said anything bad to YOU, because i don't know you and i don't judge people without knowing them 
</span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">ANSWER: Britian has a larger educational standard than any US state. They have the most recognised universities throughout the world. What we learn in our universities is far more complex than what you learn i nyours thats why we have many people from usa coming to our unis. </span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">An i only attacked you because you give stupid answers. You cant even tell why some medicine are given in tablet form and other as liquid. </span></span>
Londonspirit, why in some verses Muhammad glorifies Jews whereas in some others he hates Jews, christians, and unbelievers? You quoted verses that praised Israelites, whereas Busted Divinity quoted verses from Quran to prove that Allah hates Jews, Christians, and unbelievers. Instead of telling Imams have answered this before why dont you clarify it yourself? I guess you are finding it difficult to defend the contradictions in Quran. Expecting your reply ASAP
Reading all of this nonsense make me laugh. The desperate muslims who don't have the guts to comment in other sections is doing their best in here. Boast, run, come back again, the run again…. never ending cycle. Try hard to please your ego, eh muslim?
Damn lord, this is becoming a fav time pass with LS. I write and he writes, and then i write, he writes back. The only difference is , he verbally abuses, and that shows how desperate he is to say his point, by degrading the opposite person.U said, that if a doctor tells you to drink urine, u wud def do it. But dude, Prophet wasn't a doc , eh. He ain't knew any medicine. And u didn't answer my main question, as how did the MEN got instantly healthy by the PREMARIN? You are using so many defense mechanisms here. Sorry can't help but to diagnose you
When i don't use any medical terminology, u say ' shes not a medical student' and when i barely use it, u say, shes showing off. lol U said : <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">That is such a stupid form of answering, because we all know that there needs to be successful chemical reactions within compounds to make something work and the enviroment has to be adaptable for that particular thing</span><span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">Me: Thank you very much. Now u telling me, that the camel's urine had the perfect chemical composition to cure watever the illness those tribe people suffered in that particular environment? What is the prove, that they got healthy but not psychotic? </span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">U said: You just answered your own question.Thank you. Yes today we dont have to use camels because we got cars or aircraft, hence we also dont have to resort to herbs, which the chinese used, because we got medicine, likewise we dont have to drink urine because we got medicine</span><span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">Me: That's wat i asked u in my previous post. That if we have better things TODAY, y do u follow something which is ancient? We have million times better rules than the sharia law, y don't we shut down the sharia law then? Y so easily skip my points, which u contradicts your own statement.</span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">U said: Yes they can go hand in hand, you can be a crappy med student and a lier. You say you can give me the best treatment, but you cant tell the difference why some medicines are in solid state and some in liquid even though they contain the same active ingrediant. GO BACK TO MED SCHOOL.</span><span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;"><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;"> Me: The words you are using, itself shows, how low you can go to satisfy your ego. I don't blame you, cuz if muslims can kill the non-believer's, u merely are using just the harsh words.<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">All this time i was thinking you might be from medical background, prolly becuz of how u were accusing me of not knowing stuff, which i thought u knew. Ah mistaken. <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">If u really wannaa know, y some meds are in solids and some are in liquids, thr are so may reasons for it. <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">I wud try to tell u in a simple layman terminology, since you won't understand the details anyway.<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;"> It all depends on the age and condition of the patient, to name a few. It depends on the bio-availability of the drug, the half-time, etc. If you take nitroglycerin- which is given sub-lingually(under the tongue) cuz of its fast absorption from the tiny blood vessels under the tongue. It again depends on how serious the condition is and if the pt can swallow pills or not. The liquid med can absorb quickly, but not that much, as the tablet can dissolve in 2-3 min too. And that's why i said, it has the same composition. <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">U answered you own question- The reason is the same as to why some cleaning detergents come in spray format and some come in liquid. <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;"> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">U said: There is something called washing your mouth after.<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">Me: Have you ever been near a Tuberculosis pt, or a patient on a ventilator? Thr breath smells like a rotten substance, not cuz they have been drinking pee, but they have other internal organ infections like the lungs!<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">So eh, you think by drinking the urine, u ain't gonna get any infections and if u can easily get you mouth stop stinking , you are big time mistaken!<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">U said: Again stupid answer, because the active ingrediant is still tree, or pig. So you are still consuming extracts of that animal<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">Me: Thank goodness, that during early 19th century, scientist didn't come with the idea of eating the whole pig for a person to make insulin, by saying that u anyhow will get the active material which is inside the pig. If they wud have not just extracted insulin from the pancreas, muslim diabetics wud be have died by now.<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;"> U said: Are you trying to prove your a med student by giving medical examples after every answer. Whether you do or not i dont care because i dont know nothing about medicine therefore your just speaking jibberish to me. And your probably just trying to show just the bits that you do know to try an make yourself look smart.<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">Me: Once again, u didn't answer my main question! Cuz u are too busy to use harsh words to skip answering.<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">When i asked you the proof of prophecy of P.mohd , u said Because that has been a message passed from jesus and moses.!<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">I mean really? Proof plz.<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">Since u got the topic of other prophets, did allah already knew that christians and jews wud change his book and he had to send p.mohd as his last prophet?<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">If yes, y all the drama, yelling at the jews and christians as how they have betrayed allah? So allah already knew, that people won't listen to him, and he changed his mind so many times, as wat shud be done with the unbelievers!<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;"> Marie already answered your next statement. Even if you still want to think britain uni's are the best(for satisfying your ego), the knowledge passed on is the same. An English man body is no diff than an American man's body.<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;"> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">U said: An i only attacked you because you give stupid answers. You cant even tell why some medicine are given in tablet form and other as liquid. <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">Me: I feel that the word' stupid' is your favorite word of all time. hehe<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">We are not here to attack anyone personally, only to argue about islam. <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">But you can very well do it, if you don't know the answers of our questions:)<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;">We will know, when u say someone stupid, means u r too uncomfortable for that question:)<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;"> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;"> <p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; border: 0px initial initial;"> </span><span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;"></span><span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;"></span><span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;"></span>
I loved reading the reactions of Samara to LondonSpirit. She seems a very intelligent, articulate, self-confident girl, definitely a student, and probably a good one. I wonder what she will call herself in due time? A Muslima, but only for convenience sake? I wonder too what her (ex-)boyfriend thinks of her writings and attitudes? I think she is right about the use of derogatory words by LS, that that shows primarily he has a weak case when he does that whereas she does not attack him personally. I would have understood LS better if he did use the stupid-words and such in correspondence with people like IbnSahr and Moooo because they use them also against him, but here it was in my opinion one-sided, unjustified, so yes, weak. We should be discussing Islam, we are criticizing it and he is defending it; its prophet, its texts, their truth or non-truth, their interpretations and validity. Basically we talk here about if they were divinely inspired or only human-inspired. LS was taught Islam all over his childhood and children have not yet the ability to discern, be critical, so they believe, swallow whole what their parents, on whom they depend for their life, whom they love & trust indefinitely, tell them to be the truth. And now that he is grown-up, he uses blatant double standards; Being highly critical of what Islam-critics, like Ali Sina, and other opponents on FFI say, rejecting it, demanding proof, weighing every word, trying hard to refute with as much information and logic as can be found. In that he resembles Ali Sina a lot. But at the same time LS is accepting wholesale uncritically what Mohammed claimed, which was so much more improbable, hard te believe and prove, when you compare. And why? Maybe because he just loves Islam and his loved ones and community love it and he loves them deeply. Maybe because he loves the prospect of a long and beautiful afterlife, which he is loath to give up? But all those reasons are not good substitutes for trying to find the truth as best we can. Depending on them amounts to gambling, like in Pascal's Wager. His loved ones and a community he can live in happily, should not demand loyalty to a FAITH, a claim to universal truth!, and accept or reject people on that basis. That is what we are told too by many Political Correct people about our Muslim fellow-citizens, that they are to be accepted as they are. That it is better to be united on ground of some common important values and interests only.
londonspirit, the follower of PIMP worshiper just like when you fart and stink, "The religion in islam is not compulsory", what you can do in reality to help these girls with their story that have been published in here, will you write to their parents? what about the placard on the demonstration that generalize Jew with saying "Kill Jews", "Jews to Gas Chamber" why dont you jump in the middle of them and try to lecture them. of course you will get beaten. By these two above example its already shows that you only uttering nonsense, you dont mean what you said, just like you tell us, camel urine is good and when i advice to give it to your elderly female family, you upset i dont wanna scrambling your used toilet papers for the sake of ape, it stinks surah 2:65 "And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected" just out of curiosity what muslim do on sabbath regarding surah 2:65, why you pray on friday then? are you guys the apes because you dont observed the sabbath? londonspirit waffles from surah(5:51):"And like I said the other verse you quote means protectors, not friend. you can find answers just by looking through the net" i say: will you kill or tell stinking imam to issue a fatwa to kill these misinterpreter by interpreted friend instead protector? these two have diferent meaning and these people have change the PIMP allah word, what do you say about that? OK, back to heaven and hell question, where is your intellectuality to worship the PIMP?, where is your intellectuality to believe some stinkin old man tighing a child was sent by god to guide mankind?? please tell me your satisfactorily answer, at least for the sake of muslim who read this or fake Sara as you mentioned! thats right you cant, cause you never seen these question been rehearsed i mean twist and turn before by some stinking imams and scholars like you found about surah 5:51 and another thing, where is the prove of pedo mo saying PEACE to people who insult him??you dont want to get beaten and battered again by your own hypocrisy and empty words do you? so show me the prove BustedDivinity, hope you dont get bored hear me saying that, as im gonna keep on hammering their head with this PIMP worshipers and child tighing trademark, screw their brains up, leave this question behind their mind and tormenting their mind, sometimes im rude and harsh to ls, but i had a bit optimism that this guy would realise one day well may be in the distance future, but in the case of junaid he just hopeless, unless he read the quran or pick up knowledge about quranLS i put you in better place than your other testicle brother, i put you on the right handside testicle of pedo mo dik aka allah, which is junaid is the useless one, left side.
SAMARA WROTE:The only difference is , he verbally abuses, and that shows how desperate he is to say his point, ANSWER: You see how this forum is biased and double standard. When someone else on this site who uses proper verbal abuse and is not muslim than no notice is taken, like when marie calls me london bomber and when other abuse my prophet, than its acceptable. But when i say something, which is not even abusing than i am abusing that word to get a point accross. Well done with the double standards. SAMARA WROTE:U said, that if a doctor tells you to drink urine, u wud def do it. But dude, Prophet wasn't a doc , eh. He ain't knew any medicine. ANSWER: He was messenger of God, he dont need to be a doctor, whatever he says in regards to these aspects is from God, which is much more powerful than human words. If jesus or moses said to me that for me to survive than i should drink my piss, i trust on those words, i dont need to question it. SAMARA WROTE:And u didn't answer my main question, as how did the MEN got instantly healthy by the PREMARIN? ANSWER: I didnt answer because thats just a stupid question. SAMARA WROTE:You are using so many defense mechanisms here. Sorry can't help but to diagnose you
When i don't use any medical terminology, u say ' shes not a medical student' and when i barely use it, u say, shes showing off. lol ANSWER: Read the full statement i made. I never said showing off. i said ''<span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">And your probably just trying to show just the bits that you do know to try an make yourself look smart''. obviously by you studying in meds school for 4 years you must have learnt something. </span></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: 14px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;"> Now u telling me, that the camel's urine had the perfect chemical composition to cure watever the illness those tribe people suffered in that particular environment? What is the prove, that they got healthy but not psychotic?</span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">ANSWER: I didnt say that your just putting words into my mouth. </span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span><span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">Me: That's wat i asked u in my previous post. That if we have better things TODAY, y do u follow something which is ancient? We have million times better rules than the sharia law, y don't we shut down the sharia law then? Y so easily skip my points, which u contradicts your own statement.</span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">ANSWER: we are talking about camel urine, not shariah law.An i have already said that we dont need to go to extents of drinking camel urine today because we got medicine, this is the age of tewchnology and medicine so we will use what we have. </span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">Shariah law is much better than the common law we have today. If you think its so bad than why is it in countries that practice shariah law they feel much more safe. In dubai you can leave you laptop and all your jewellery in your car. kepp the car unlocked and come back after a day and you will still find them there. </span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">In America and other countires you leave them for a few seconds and its gone. </span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">In america every 32 seconds a woman is getting raped. Statistical average done by the USA goverment, out of that only 8 % will be sent to jail and out of that more than 50% will be let out early. I have quoted the sources before in regards to that. </span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">In countries practicing shariah law rape leads to death. Simple as that. Murder leads to death, unless opposing family forgives that person. Now you tell me which is better.</span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">The only reason why you dont like the shariah law is because in that law gals and boys are not allowed to mingle, no alcohol or drugs. No partying in the midst of the night listening to loud music. No interest is allowed. This is why you hate it. No other reason. </span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span><span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">Me: The words you are using, itself shows, how low you can go to satisfy your ego. I don't blame you, cuz if muslims can kill the non-believer's, u merely are using just the harsh words.</span> <span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">ANSWER: Non muslims are the biggest killers of the world. </span> <span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span><span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">All this time i was thinking you might be from medical background, prolly becuz of how u were accusing me of not knowing stuff, which i thought u knew. Ah mistaken. </span> <span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">ANSWER: You dint need to tell me whther i have medical background or not as I have told you already i dont. So you were not mistaken you were just not reading. </span> <span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span><span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">And that's why i said, it has the same composition.</span> <span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">ANSWER: You found the answer now, same composition has nothing to do with what you just explained now. You didnt know it before. </span> <span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span><span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">Me: Have you ever been near a Tuberculosis pt, or a patient on a ventilator? Thr breath smells like a rotten substance, not cuz they have been drinking pee, but they have other internal organ infections like the lungs!</span> <span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">ANSWER: Well their breath smells because they got infection of some sort, so whether they wash their mouth or not it wont make a difference. But in the case we are talking about these people aint got no infection that could make their breath smell. So if they wash their mouth the pee smell will go. </span> <span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;">SAMARA WROTE:</span><span style="font-family: 'Liberation Sans',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px;"><p style="margin: 0px 0px 0em; padding: 6px 0px 0px; outline-width: 0px; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel;">When i asked you the proof of prophecy of P.mohd , u said Because that has been a message passed from jesus and moses.! <p style="margin: 0px 0px 0em; padding: 6px 0px 0px; outline-width: 0px; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel;">I mean really? Proof plz.<p style="margin: 0px 0px 0em; padding: 6px 0px 0px; outline-width: 0px; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel;"> <p style="margin: 0px 0px 0em; padding: 6px 0px 0px; outline-width: 0px; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel;">ANSWER: The proof are out there just search for it and you will find it.I WILL JUST GIVE YOU ONE, OUT OF MANY.<p style="margin: 0px 0px 0em; padding: 6px 0px 0px; outline-width: 0px; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel;"> <p style="margin: 0px 0px 0em; padding: 6px 0px 0px; outline-width: 0px; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel;">OLD TESTAMENT: <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: olive;">"</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: olive;">I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: olive;"> </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: red;">LIKE UNTO THEE</span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: olive;">, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him.</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: olive;">"</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;"> Deuteronomy </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;">18:18</span><p style="margin: 0px 0px 0em; padding: 6px 0px 0px; outline-width: 0px; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel;"> <p style="margin: 0px 0px 0em; padding: 6px 0px 0px; outline-width: 0px; font-size: 14px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;"></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 19px; font-size: 14px;"></span>
Ibnsahr. I'm never tired of the truth, anyone who is against the Islamic barbarism is of sound mind, keep up the good work, somebody is definitely learning from you.
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ls:"When someone else on this site who uses proper verbal abuse and is not muslim than no notice is taken," me say:Demsci took notice of mine, its not abusive language, i call it shock therapy, otherwise you will get sleepy, and wouldnt get to your attention, after all whats the language of pedo mo? SWORDS or DAGGERS i can see, you marie and me abusing each others and im fine with it dont know about marie, but she looks ok, may be you start it first with samara which she might not that type of people in communicating with these sort of language ls:"If Jesus or moses said to me that for me to survive than i should drink my piss, i trust on those words, i dont need to question it." me say:IN YOUR DREAM…, you wish Jesus or Moses ask you to drink the pisss, but as the matter of fact its your pedo mo satan who ask you……….., ouch., keep on dreaming buddy! ls:***ANSWER: The proof are out there just search for it and you will find it.I WILL JUST GIVE YOU ONE, OUT OF MANY.OLD TESTAMENT: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren LIKE UNTO THEE, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him." Deuteronomy 18:18*** me say: it clearly said "among the brethen", mohammed is not jew, and he has no lineage with moses, shame on youas usual muslim good claimming something that is not theirs, follow the sunnah.Samara, if you believe the book, read these passages from bible, its been told that ismael descendant will become trouble in the worldGenesis 1611 The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, [a] for the LORD has heard of your misery. 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward [b] all his brothers." londonspirit, i can see you reply to samara stright away, how come you can not do the same to me??are you going to consult with the UK radical cleric first (Anjem Choudary) whose says muslim is not religion of peace??? londonspirit, hows the PIMP going?, where he'll get some these days thailland or eastern europe?
IBNSAHR WROTE:me say:Demsci took notice of mine, its not abusive language, i call it shock therapy, otherwise you will get sleepy, and wouldnt get to your attention, after all whats the language of pedo mo? SWORDS or DAGGERS ANSWER: So if I now start calling you an ass. Your mum a prostitute your dad a pedophile and your borthers and sisters maniacs am i insulting you or am i just trying to get your attention so that you wont get sleepy? IBNSAHR WROTE: me say:IN YOUR DREAM…, you wish Jesus or Moses ask you to drink the pisss, but as the matter of fact its your pedo mo satan who ask you……….., ouch., keep on dreaming buddy! ANSWER: No one told me to drink piss. Dont know where you got that from? IBNSAHR WROTE:me say: it clearly said "among the brethen", mohammed is not jew, and he has no lineage with moses, shame on you ANSWER:<span id="MainBody"><span class="b"><span class="bodyContent" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Verdana;"><span class="bodyContent">It is clearly mentioned that the coming prophet would be from ‘their brethren’, i.e from the brethren of the Children of Israel. We know that Jesus was one of the Children of Israel and so it is clear that the prophecy does not apply to him. Whereas Muhammad (peace be upon him) was born in the family of Ishmael; indeed his grandfather was Qaidar (Biblical name: Kedar), one of the twelve sons of Ishmael.So yes he was among the brethen</span></span></span></span> <span><span class="b"><span class="bodyContent" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Verdana;"><span class="bodyContent">IBNSAHR WROTE ABOUT GENISIS 16:11,12. </span></span></span></span> <span><span class="b"><span class="bodyContent" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Verdana;"><span class="bodyContent">Mate you dont read the bible and you cherry pick. If you read the entire verses from start to finish you will know exactly what God said to moses. As later on as you read further you would read the following:</span></span></span></span> genisis 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. So guess what that is a prophecy come true in the bible. lol. As muslims are greatly increased in numbers and are a great nation. And also prior to this verse if you read in between gensis 17:13,14Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant.Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant." WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT GETS CIRCUMSISES, IS IT THE CHRISTIANS OR THE MUSLIMS. It looks to me as if the chrsitians have broken the covenant I dont need to consult any imam or anybody. As the answers are staring you in your face. When i read something i make sure i read from start to finish. Not like a dumb ass like you who cherry pick verses to try and satisfy their ego. Lets see you reply to this dumb ass
Hi, Ibnsahr, I see your explanation of your harsh, sometimes personally insulting language as shock therapy. As long as you and LS do it both, so you take it just as you give it, I guess I am OK with it. Ali Sina uses it too, for the same reasons you give. He wants people to get out of Islam and into some system that is freeer and truer. I see this motivation. But if one person only talks respectfully and the other still uses "abusive language", like LS with Samara, then it is not fair and it looks as if he is too weak to state his case on its merits alone so that he has to degrade the other person in order to look better himself. LS should distinquish between what sorts of conversation he has, I think. I further distinquish between using abusive language about living persons, here on the internet, or about relatives on the one hand and on the other hand abusive language about a religion, a prophet. It is the point of this website that Islam is manmade and has flaws, faults, shortcomings and yes, detrimental influence on human behavior and that humans suffer because of it. In contrast this website sais that all living humans are valuable, complex beings that are not to be discriminated against on basis of their race, their genetic make-up. So abusive language about Islam and Mohammed are not in the same category as abusive language about people we are conversing with. And I think it should be allowed. And if Muslims want to insult Jesus or our leaders or historic hero's or favorites, then that is allowed too. We strive for single standard as much as possible. But then there are the living humans that we are not conversing with but conversing about. On our side we often abuse many Muslims by name and as a group and on the side of the Muslims the Israeli's and Americans are often insulted by name or as a group. I guess we can't stop that and that it should be tolerated in a 2-way-street under a single standard.
<span style="font-size: medium; font-family: ariel;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">LS: Prove me he did</span></span><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: ariel;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Samara: I didn't get it </span></span><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: ariel;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: ariel;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Me: You had asked me to prove that the Prophet (pbuh) did not have TLE. Reading this, Londonspirit is requesting you to prove that the Prophet (pbuh) did have TLE.</span></span><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: ariel;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: ariel;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Clear?</span></span><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: ariel;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: ariel;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Let peace prevail,</span></span><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: ariel;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Yours lovingly,</span></span><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: ariel;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Junaid</span></span>
Mooo: writes: "Boast, run, come back again, the run again…. never ending cycle." I think your above scuttlebutt suits you people much than Muslims (provided your word 'run' gets replaced by 'vanish' since you people are considered surely as ghosts!!) Ego can be lengthened as Edging God Out. No Muslim will ever dare to do it. Let peace prevail,Yours lovingly,Junaid
Hi londonspirit I'm surprised that you've quoted the following verse from the book of Deuteronomy, in the Old Testament, to prove that Muhammad ibn Abdullah,was a prophet. <p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">OLD TESTAMENT: <span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: olive;">"</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: olive;">I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: olive;"> </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: red;">LIKE UNTO THEE</span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: olive;">, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him.</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: olive;">"</span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;"> Deuteronomy </span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;">18:18</span><p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Well, my dear muslim brother, first of all, I'm really puzzled why you would rather extract a verse from the Bible, than the quran, to support your claims that Muhammad ibn Abdullah was a prophet, since your Allah's last prophet ascertained that the Torah and the Bible are 'corrupted' texts while only the quran is 'perfect'?<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">The patriarch and the prophets in the Old Testaments were all Hebrews/Jews according to the Torah and the Bible. Only Allah's last prophet claimed that they were all muslims. So how can you have the audacity to quote from the Bible, which your beloved prophet, Muhammad ibn Abdullah, claimed that it was 'corrupted' and used it to justify your above claim! Aren't you letting your Allah and his last prophet down by doing so?<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">By the way, I guaranteed you that Muhammad ibn Abdullah will definitely slap your backside and chide you for being a foolish muslim, when you meet him in that 'paradise', after you've took your last breath of oxygen, for not quoting from the 'perfect' quran! LOL.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Anyway, let me explain the above Bible verse which you've quoted, in order to help you better understand what it meant. By the way, please be informed that Muhammad ibn Abdullah was never mentioned in the Torah and the Bible at all. <p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Israelites reliance was to be wholly on the Lord, who would sent them a prophet like Moses. The prophets would be selected by the Lord from their own brothers, and the Lord would put His Words in their mouth. Being the spokesman for God is the central characteristic of a prophet.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">In the New Testament, Peter explained that the coming great Prophet of God is Jesus Christ, the Word of God.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Acts 2:22-26<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;"> <sup><span style="font-size: x-small;">22</span></sup>For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. <sup id="en-KJV-27020" class="versenum"><span style="font-size: x-small;">23</span></sup>And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><sup id="en-KJV-27021" class="versenum"><span style="font-size: x-small;">24</span></sup>Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days</span>. <sup id="en-KJV-27022" class="versenum"><span style="font-size: x-small;">25</span></sup>Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. <sup id="en-KJV-27023" class="versenum"><span style="font-size: x-small;">26</span></sup>Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">So, my dear londonspirit, the naked and stubborn truth is always present throughout eternity and it's solely your choice to accept it or not. Nobody, not even the Almighty God, can force you to do so. He is love and He has given us the free will to choose to believe in His Messiah or not.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Muhammad ibn Abdullah has twisted and turned God's Word into his modified version, so that he could use it as his tool, to force his followers and innocent souls like you, to submit to him and his evil master and join them in their great rebellion against the Almighty God of Heaven and earth.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">The sad truth is that Muhammad ibn Abdullah was not only self deceived but also, deceived by the father of lies, who is the greatest rebel in Heaven, earth and hell. He received his insane revelation from the envoy of planet hell. He is as foolish as the devil, to think that he can fool the Almighty God!<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">My beloved Lord Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, did warn all human beings on planet earth to beware of false prophets:<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Matthew 7:15<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Matthew 24:11<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Matthew 24:24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Peter, one of Jesus's desciple, also warned the people to beware of false prophets:<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">2 Peter 2:1<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">I think that enough people here have condemned this great historical liar or false prophet, who has deceived and destroyed so many familes and lives. But if we were to understand about this false prophet's family background, childhood events and life stories, we will realize that afterall, he was an imperfect human being like us and that he became depressed at a very young age, as a result of the death of his father, mother and grandpa. As he grew up, the people and life events that had happened around him have helped shaped his attitude, mindset and behaviour.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Sadly, there were no counsellors, psychiatrists or even doctors at that time, to help him at all. He was as helpless as a child. If he was born in this generation, a good samaritan like me, will advise him to seek early medical treatment. LOL. As he grew older, his depression got worse and thus, led to many mental disorders eg. NPD, which my hero, Ali Sina, always highlighted in many of his articles.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Though Muhammad bin Abdullah was dead and gone long ago but he has left behind a legacy of hate, terrorism, violence, unforgiveness, prejudice towards the Jews and kafirs, lies and deceptions, etc to his descendants and all his followers, who were as equally blind to the truth as you.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Let me explain what I meant by saying this eg. Can any human being, including you or any muslims on planet earth either question or criticize the authencity of the quran? What will happen to them if they did it? He/she will receive unimaginable threats, curses and the worst kind of torments from the followers of the religion of peace and tolerance. <p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">It is very sad to know that many radical muslims or terrorists were deceived to the extent of sacrificing their own precious life, children and wife, so as to glorify a liar and his religion. I believe that the terrorists are actually demon possessed so that they may have that speical courage to bomb themselves and others to pieces.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">It is amusing that jihad still exists in this modern era and our society is so advanced with modern technology, etc. If only all the muslims, including the terrorists come to their senses and take the step of faith/courage to desire/seek for the ultimate truth, by reading and studying the Holy Bible, besides the quran, I believe that miracles will take place in their heart and life and the Spirit of truth will set them free, to worship the true living God.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Let me explain why only Jesus Christ can set all muslims free from this evil bondage/stronghold because unlike Muhammad ibn Abdullah, an imperfect human being, Jesus Christ is sinless and He is perfect in all His ways. Therefore, He is qualified to be our Redeemer and Savior. He alone, is the Way, the Truth and the Life. He came from Heaven above, to die on the cross and shed his precious blood, to cleanse all our sins and rose again on the third day, to lead all those who dare to believe in Him, to God.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">I pray that all muslims will forgive Muhammad ibn Abdullah for what he has done and move on with their life, after they have discovered the ultimate truth. I believe that Jesus can help every muslims to adopt an excellent attitude and become a better person in life. That's the power of love of my precious Lord and Savior!<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">I hope that you, londonspirit, will come to Jesus, the Author of Truth, and realize the ultimate truth before you enter into eternity. Jesus loves you and all muslims in the world! Amen.<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;"> <p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Cheers<p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">Grace:) <p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;"> <p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;"> </span><p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black;"> </span><p style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-size: 14px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 0em; vertical-align: baseline; padding-top: 6px; font-family: ariel; background-color: transparent; outline-width: 0px;">
Junaid, after you wipe your arse with piece of quran, did you flush it down the toilet or did you keep it ?
<span style="font-size: x-small;">Demsci, couldnt be more agree with your observation, here's my other opinion, give them shock therapy, at least there are some reaction, maybe you can, but in my opinion, doesnt matter how polite or intelectual your post is to muslim, they already have mindset about islam, most people other than islam will have open mind to accept, learn or think about some things or some perceptions, which i speak from my own experience in here, but muslims are diffrent story, well may be not all, which in turn they will start questioning islam, but most of them have already mindset allah is the god and muhamed is the messenger, no question ask,the answer just running around the circle if its not empty words.thats why i hardly or may be never use bad language when talking to others than muslim finger cross for PVV</span>
Londonspirit, you can call me anything you like, but it doesnt make islam divine and it doesnt prove pedo mo the child molester is the man sent by God to guide the mankind. ls: "ANSWER: No one told me to drink piss. Dont know where you got that from?" me say: you're wishing they asked you, see below (londonspirit to samara 03/04/2010 – 23:20)ANSWER: He was messenger of God, he dont need to be a doctor, whatever he says in regards to these aspects is from God, which is much more powerful than human words. If Jesus or moses said to me that for me to survive than i should drink my piss, i trust on those words, i dont need to question by the way whose got the idea sun sets in murky water, the pimp or the pedo? LOLmore powerful than human words???, i bet human feces got more nourishment or use than the PIMP allah. Ls, about the genesis, that what've written in the book, God gives people brain and mind its up to people how they want to interpret it, like for example, when Jesus talking about holy spirit, you interpreting it as Jesus talking about muhamed, how on earth the comforter fits into muhamed description?? ls:Mate you dont read the bible and you cherry pick. If you read the entire verses from start to finish you will know exactly what God said to moses. me say: well well well…., look whos talking, apparently you cut of the line when God said He only make covenant through Isaac, doesnt surprise me. Genesis 17,19 Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. [d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." 22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him. of course God make them a great nation, but not from this nation the prophet will come, sorry ls dont be disappointed, you can gate crash, but you not invited. And we have had this argument before, here's the link for people who havent read it, good article http://www.faithfreedom.org/content/was-muhammad-…Mate, i've been asking you these questions below 1. where is your intellectuality to worship the PIMP?, where is your intellectuality to believe some stinkin old man tighing a child was sent by god to guide mankind?? what is the logic behind this at least for you, to think worshiping the pimp and believe in an old man who molested a child is sacred and virtue?? even by human standard pedo mo is the worst disgusting people to live let alone being sent by God to guide mankind 2. Where is the reference pedo mo says peace when insulted??
IbnSahr, this is what LondonSpirit wrote:"He was messenger of God, he dont need to be a doctor, whatever he says in regards to these aspects is from God, which is much more powerful than human words" This is the crucial difference between him and other Muslims and Ali Sina and us, and even between Muslims and the Political Correct People who protect them and Islam out of desire for love, respect and unity among people. this is the gamble Muslims take. The burden of proof for it is upon them and feelings of certainty inside are no proof, because the same feelings are reported by many followers of other beliefs, even by atheists. And the burden of proof goes further; In that this question must be answered; Why are not other persons saying words from God, like Mani, Baha'ullah, Joseph Smith, Jim Jones, David Koresh all claimed to have received? Why is it not possible that God speaks to mankind all the time as Neale Donald Walsche, author of "Conversations with God" maintains?
Demsci, <span style="font-size: x-small;">since there is no witness to revelation or at least the moment when mo under god's influence, the only thing that we need to clarify him as god's messenger is the life of muhammed, if he lead the virtue life or criminal life style, but the sad thing is from all the record showing he lives criminal and obscene lifestyle. here is the stinking house phenomenon, have you ever been to a place or someone else's house or bath room that stink, when you first get in, it stinks, but when you been inside for a while it doesnt smell as bad as the first time. so muslim is used to this stink without they even realizing it, but other people can smell it. thats what happened, muslim didnt see the masacre of the tribes done by mo is something bad, or wanting to married inlaw or a child is problem, they live and breath the stink</span>
Ibnsahr You are a real rapscallion. Peace,Junaid
Junaid, try to answer it with your own opinion, dont just give empty slogan!, there are people who soliciting sex we call the PIMP, why you believe in some diety who will provide you with sex in paradise, you only be given promise of never menses girls with swealing breast, but allah didnt promise the erection, what you gonna do? where is the logic of some people who have money can buy virgins, is that means they have taste a bit of allah's paradise, apparently allah is not the almaighty because the reward he gonna give you in paradise can be obtain in the world if you have money
LS: I am altogether against verbal abuse. I won't go and praise a non-muslim for cursing, since you were the only one here i was trying to prove my point of this story not being fake, i landed up arguing/talking with you.We can all laugh over this, as how poor sara's story started as her story and went all over to camel's urine and wat not .lolAnger is just a defense mechanism we use to put the opposite person shut up, which i believe is very uncivilized way. You are here to defend islam, that doesn't mean you give reasons for each and every thing even when its wrong ! Prophet mohammed was a human , he did the good work but he also has his share of mistakes too! And if you tell me, he was a perfect human being, sorry to say, no human is perfect !Leave alone human, Allah himself is not perfect either, otherwise he need not send thousands and thousands of prophets and changed his mind all the time that made him keep repeating his holy books. <p style="margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 14.25pt; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black; border: none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt: none windowtext 0in; padding: 0in;">Me: And u didn't answer my main question, as how did the MEN got instantly healthy by the PREMARIN?</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black;"> </span> <p style="margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 14.25pt; vertical-align: baseline; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black;"> </span> <p style="margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 14.25pt; vertical-align: baseline; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><strong style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black; border: none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt: none windowtext 0in; padding: 0in;">ANSWER: I didnt answer because thats just a stupid question.</span><p style="margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 14.25pt; vertical-align: baseline; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px;">Me: I don't know how it was stupid in anyway. When you can give me all the details of the contents of the camel's urine and how it works on the menopausal women, y can't u tell me how it worked on men? </span></span><p style="margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 14.25pt; vertical-align: baseline; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px;">LS: <span style="font-weight: normal;">. obviously by you studying in meds school for 4 years you must have learnt something. </span></span></span><p style="margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 14.25pt; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black;"> </span> Me: So now according to you, am no more a liar and no more a crappy med student, as i have learnt something
lolNow atleast we know that truth stands on its own. <p style="margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 14.25pt; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px;"></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 14px; font-size: 14px;">LS: That is such a stupid form of answering, because we all know that there needs to be successful chemical reactions within compounds to make something work and the enviroment has to be adaptable for that particular thing</span><span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 14px; font-size: 14px;"></span><span style="line-height: 19px;"><span style="outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 10.5pt; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; color: black; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; padding: 0in; margin: 0px; border: 1pt none windowtext;">SAMARA WROTE:</span><span style="outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 10px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;"><span style="outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 10px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;"><span style="outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 10.5pt; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; color: black; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; padding: 0in; margin: 0px; border: 1pt none windowtext;"> </span></span></span> <span style="outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 10.5pt; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; color: black; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; padding: 0in; margin: 0px; border: 1pt none windowtext;">Now u telling me, that the camel's urine had the perfect chemical composition to cure watever the illness those tribe people suffered in that particular environment? What is the prove, that they got healthy but not psychotic?</span></span><span style="line-height: 19px;"><span style="outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 10.5pt; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; font-family: ariel; color: black; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; padding: 0in; margin: 0px; border: 1pt none windowtext;">LS: <span style="line-height: 14px;">: I didnt say that your just putting words into my mouth.</span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; line-height: 14px; font-size: 14px;">ME: You yourself said it, i didn't put any words into you mouth.</span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 14px;">LS:: we are talking about camel urine, not shariah law.An i have already said that we dont need to go to extents of drinking camel urine today because we got medicine, this is the age of technology and medicine so we will use what we have.</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 14px;">Me: Its not about just camel's urine or just the law. Its about something being ancient and the other being modern. </span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 14px;">If you tell me, we don't use camel's urine anymore, just because we have better medicine now. Then y not leave sharia law, which is ancient too? Most of its rules cannot be practiced in today's modern world.</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 14px;">We should follow what is current and what we have, rather than going back to the olden days and follow thr traditions. I can never imagine myself sitting at home, being a tilth for my husband to have kids and be obedient to him in watver he says.</span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 14px;">Marriage is not about me being the slave and my husband being the master. This is the major thing which puts me off from islam.</span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 14px;">LS: <span style="line-height: 19px;">The only reason why you dont like the shariah law is because in that law gals and boys are not allowed to mingle, no alcohol or drugs. No partying in the midst of the night listening to loud music. No interest is allowed. This is why you hate it. No other reason.</span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">Me: You think, all the other religion people or people who don't have religion, just go and have night stands, use alcohol and drugs? Our basic instinct tells us, that those things are not good for us. I have so many non-muslim friends who are super nice people and they don't need any religion to tell them wat is right and wat is wrong. </span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">There is a reason y we carry our heads on top of our neck! To think and to understand. </span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;">LS:<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: 12px;">Non muslims are the biggest killers of the world</span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: 12px;">Me: I dunno about that.</span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: 12px;">I am against war and fights, so either a muslim kills the un-believer or vice-versa, its still a loss of human life. Only if people could understand how precious life is. And the islamic ideology which says blood for blood, eye for a eye, and all that; its just doesn't make sense to me. </span></span></span><span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: 12px;">As far as i know, fire only can be put off by water and not by fire itself. People have the right to be angry but they don't have the right to be cruel. </span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: 12px;">LS:Well their breath smells because they got infection of some sort, so whether they wash their mouth or not it wont make a difference. But in the case we are talking about these people aint got no infection that could make their breath smell. So if they wash their mouth the pee smell will go.</span></span></span> <span style="font-family: ariel; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: 12px;">Me: Once the urine comes out of the body, its no more sterile. So any infected thing, if consumed will lead to infections. So how ever you wash your mouth, u will still get infections.</span></span></span> <span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 12px;">And the proof you gave me as prophet mohammed being actually the last prophet or god sent, i think that has already be answered by other people on the forum.</span></span> <span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 12px;">And this is for junaid.</span></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: small;"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 12px;"> </span></span><p style="margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 14.25pt; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black; border: none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt: none windowtext 0in; padding: 0in;">Junaid: You had asked me to prove that the Prophet (pbuh) did not have TLE. Reading this, Londonspirit is requesting you to prove that the Prophet (pbuh) did have TLE.</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black;"> </span> <p style="margin: 0in; margin-bottom: .0001pt; line-height: 14.25pt; vertical-align: baseline; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black; border: none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt: none windowtext 0in; padding: 0in;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black;"> </span> <span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black; border: none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt: none windowtext 0in; padding: 0in; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Clear</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black; border: none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt: none windowtext 0in; padding: 0in; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Me: You would wanna see this video, which was on BBC. Please watch all the 6 parts.</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black; border: none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt: none windowtext 0in; padding: 0in; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKbeLfhHvPY</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black; border: none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt: none windowtext 0in; padding: 0in; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Thank you.</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black; border: none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt: none windowtext 0in; padding: 0in; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">Let the peace prevail .</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: ariel; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica; color: black; border: none windowtext 1.0pt; mso-border-alt: none windowtext 0in; padding: 0in; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;">LOL</span></span></span>
Amen sister
Aren't you Junaed that has been humiliated once? I just wrote my reply on your posts when you used that "beautiful" languages. Run is the best you can do because you cannot refute anyone so you use threat just like your brothers. I suggest you read my response to you in "what shall i do with my muslim girlfriend". That mr "gentle", will surely help you understand more of what i mean. I see that instead of refuting my post you chose to attack me. Run = vanish = muslim's attitude in the net WHEN THEY CAN"T GET THEIR HAND AT THEIR OPPONENTS. Sounds familiar mr. "gentle"?
It shouldnt really surprise me to come across your comments, but never the less they are so offensive. I cannot believe the extent to whch people will go to malign the name of Islam. Anyhow, I really think that people such as Sara or her boyfriend should seek advice and knowledge from real intellectuals and if she has questions about Islam, then go ask an expert, a scholar, rather than a hate preacher. Your words are so untrue and so filled with hate, biased and hugely generalised, why dont you find something better to do and leave muslims be? At the end of the day, when each of us dies, each individual will have to answer to God, for their actions, their words and their lives, you should concentrate on what you are doing, and how you will answer to God for the hate that you spread. Anyone looking to learn more about the verse of the Quran you quoted, which is the most used and most misunderstood verse then please follow this link: http://www.flwi.ugent.be/cie/bogaert/bogaert4.htm All you have to do is use Google and you will have more relevant and truthful information at hand then consulting ill opinionated individuals. <span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: x-small;">If ever there has been a controversial verse in the Holy Qur'an, it certainly is verse 4:34. Used by opponents of Islam to label this religion woman-unfriendly (to put it mildly), Muslims themselves are struggling with interpreting it. For yes, let us agree about this: there is no such thing as “the” one and only correct interpretation of the Word of Allah – only Allah knows what He meant. We can only try to understand. And in this particular case, an alternative for the troublesome interpretations of this verse may bring us a bit closer to that objective. Let us have a look at a (partial) translation of this verse <sup><a style="line-height: 150%; color: #666699; font-weight: 800; text-decoration: underline;" href="#1">1</sup>: </span><blockquote style="text-align: justify; margin-left: 40px;"><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: x-small;">"Men are the {qawwam} of women, because Allah has given the one more than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are {qanitat}, and guard in the husband's absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear {nushuz}, admonish them first, then refuse to share their beds, and finally {adriboo} them; but when they {ataa:} to you, then seek not against them means of annoyance: For Allah is Most High, great above you all. "</span><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Disobedient women? The key word to answer this question is {qanitat}, which is a feminine plural of {qanit}, based on the root {q-n-t}. This word appears on many other occasions in the Holy Qur'an </span><a style="line-height: 150%; color: #666699; font-weight: 800; text-decoration: underline;" href="#2"><sup><span style="font-size: x-small;">2</span></sup><span style="font-size: x-small;">, where it is used <span style="text-decoration: underline;">exclusively</span> in the sense of 'submissive, obedient to Allah'. Verse 4:34 contains no reason at all to depart from this meaning and to change it into 'obedience to a husband'. This verse is about pious women who, just like pious men, are obedient to Allah. And a wife (husband) who is obedient to God, must live up to her (his) marital duties.Superior husband and inferior wife? Throughout the Holy Qur'an, Allah emphasizes that men and women are equal for Him – Allah will judge them in exactly the same way </span><a style="line-height: 150%; color: #666699; font-weight: 800; text-decoration: underline;" href="#3"><sup><span style="font-size: x-small;">3</span></sup><span style="font-size: x-small;">. So it would be strange indeed if a verse would contradict this equality. But is that really the case here? The Arabic word used is {qawwam}, an intensive form of {qaim}, meaning: 'to take care of, to look after'. Therefore, does this verse say that men are superior to women? Not at all. It says: men must look after women. In Islam, men are obliged to financially provide for their wife and children. They have to pay for their housing, clothing, food, medicines, etc. That is what {qawwamoona} means: men must take care of women. Misbehaviour? Is this verse about what a man should do when his wife 'misbehaves'? The exact word used here, {nushuz}, means 'discord, hostiliy, dissonance'. In this context it could be interpreted as 'marital problems'. Beating his wife? The verse instructs a husband whose wife causes problems in their marriage to first talk to her about it, then leave the marital bed, then {adriboo} his wife, and all of this in view of pursueing a reconciliation as is evident from the subsequent verse 4:35. The Arabic word used here, {adriboo}, from the root {d-r-b}, has several dozens of meanings, such as: 'to beat', but also: 'to forsake, to avoid, to leave'. How do we know which interpretation to choose? One way to find out, is to relate this verse to other verses in the Holy Qur'an and to check if the meanings make sense. In this case, let us look at verse 24:2, which describes what should be done in case of adultery : </span></span><blockquote style="text-align: justify; margin: 10px 20px 10px 40px;"><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes…" (Holy Qur'an 24:2)<sup><a style="line-height: 150%; color: #666699; font-weight: 800; text-decoration: underline;" href="#4">4</sup> </span></span><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">This verse establishes the principle that for men and women, equal actions lead to equal punishment. When for adultery men and women must receive <span style="text-decoration: underline;">equal</span> punishment, surely there is no reason why they should be treated <span style="text-decoration: underline;">differently</span> for any lesser marital problem. Now let us take a look at the consequences of interpreting {adriboo} one way or another. Suppose {adriboo} means: 'to beat'.In this case, verse 4:34 says that when a wife causes a problem in the marriage, her husband should first talk to her about it, then leave their bed, then beat her and all of this in view of increasing his chances of a reconciliation. On the emotional level, this certainly does not sound like a very promising course of action. So let us check this meaning against the bigger framework and in particular against the principle of 'equal behaviour leads to equal punishment'. This would imply that when a husband causes a problem in the marriage, his wife can beat him. At which he could invoke verse 4:34 to beat her again, so that the result would be a perpetual physical fight between spouses! Surely, this makes no sense at all. And indeed, it is not what Allah prescribes for the situation where a husband causes a rift, as will be explained in a moment. Suppose {adriboo} means: 'to forsake, to avoid', possibly, as Mohammed Abdul Malek</span><a style="line-height: 150%; color: #666699; font-weight: 800; text-decoration: underline;" href="#5"><sup><span style="font-size: x-small;">5</span></sup><span style="font-size: x-small;"> suggests: 'to separate, to part' .Now what do we get? Verse 4:34 now says that when a wife causes a problem in the marriage, her husband should first talk to her about it, then leave their bed (forsaking his sexual satisfaction), then avoid her even more (not talking to her anymore, leaving the room when she enters it, and possibly even leaving the house for a while), in order to prevent things from getting worse, and on the contrary to let things cool down and create enough space in view of increasing chances of a reconciliation. This sounds like a very logical chain of events. Also, application of the general rule of verse 24:2 ('equal actions, equal punishment') now means that when a husband causes a marital problem, his wife should forsake a few of her rights, avoid her husband in increasing ways, and try to work towards a reconciliation. And yes, that is precisely what verse 4:128 says: </span></span><blockquote style="text-align: justify; margin: 10px 20px 10px 40px;"><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves" (Holy Qur'an 4:128)<sup><a style="line-height: 150%; color: #666699; font-weight: 800; text-decoration: underline;" href="#4">4</sup> </span></span><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: x-small;">Understanding {adriboo} as 'to forsake, to (gradually) avoid (more and more), possibly eventually leave altogether', clearly makes sense when relating several verses to one another. And there is more. Beating a wife, would contradict hadiths of the Holy Prophet who repeatedly said: “do not beat believing women!”. It would also contradict the Holy Prophet's instructions about anger – which (unless it is caused by injustice) he explained to originate from Satan and which he described as "a living coal on one's heart". One should not act upon ones anger, lest one would do things one would regret later. When you are angry when you are standing, sit down, the Holy Prophet said. And when you are still angry when you are sitting, then lie down. Interpreting this verse as allowing a husband to beat his wife, surely contradicts these rulings on anger. Furthermore, Allah says in the Holy Qur'an that one must meet bad behaviour with something that is better, not with something that is worse, in order to turn a hostile situation into a friendly one: </span><blockquote style="text-align: justify; margin: 10px 20px 10px 40px;"><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">"Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!" (Holy Qur'an 41:13)<sup><a style="line-height: 150%; color: #666699; font-weight: 800; text-decoration: underline;" href="#4">4</sup> </span></span><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: x-small;">Therefore the word {adriboo} cannot really have meant “to beat”, can it. It must mean something that is better than causing problems, and avoiding the problem certainly is exactly that. Based on the evidence presented here, it would seem that interpreting {adriboo} as 'to beat', causes several internal conflicts with the meaning of other Qur'anic verses and hadiths, while interpreting it as 'gradually forsaking, more and more and possibly leaving altogether', is a much more logical interpretation that is entirely consistent with the interpretation of other rules in the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet Muhammad. What makes much more sense, is that this verse does <span style="text-decoration: underline;">not</span> allow a 'superior' husband to 'beat' his 'inferior, disobedient' wife. On the contrary, this verse appears to tell us that a husband must look after his wife (an equal partner who, like he, is obedient to God), and that when his wife is causing problems in their marriage, he should first talk to her about it, if that doesn't help, he should begin avoiding her by leaving the marital bed. If that still doesn't resolve the situation, he should forsake her presence even more, avoid conversations, leave a room when she enters it, avoid her company altogether, and possibly leave the house for a while, so that no problems are added to the conflict, and so that things can cool down a bit to maximise chances for a later reconciliation. </span><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: x-small;">Return to obedience?</span><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: x-small;">When the problem is solved, when the wife is committed to the marriage again, then the husband is advised not to keep using the incident against her and to consider the incident closed. </span><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;">The exact Arabic wording is: "when then they (fem.pl.) {aTa:} (with) you (masc.pl.), then seek not against them (fem.pl) means of annoyance". The verb {aTa:} (alif taa alif ayn) has several meanings, such as: 'obey', but also: 'comply, comply with, accommodate, give in to', or in French 'filer doux'. Consequently, the verse can be understood to mean: "when then they are committed to the marriage again", or: "when then they give in to/comply with the efforts of the husband to save the marriage", or "when they no longer cause marriage problems", … Linguistically there is no compelling necessity to translate {aTa:} as "obedient to the husband" . Other interpretations are possible and indeed preferable. Earlier in the verse, there was no reason at all to translate {qanitat} as women who are "obedient to their husband" so that here there isn't any reason to imply that this verse is about a temporary disobedience and a subsequent return to obedience to their husbands. It is not a matter of obedience to him, it is a matter of {nushuz} (marriage problems). And the Holy Quran advises that when one of the partners causes a marriage problem, the other should gradually avoid the person who causes the problem, in order to save the marriage – irrespective of who started the strife (4:34, 4:128)</span> </span><p style="line-height: 16pt;"><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Yet of course, this is only an interpretation. Allah knows best. </span></span>
islam is feces says:***"the” one and only correct interpretation of the Word of Allah – only Allah knows what He meant. We can only try to understand. And in this particular case, an alternative for the troublesome interpretations of this verse may bring us a bit closer to that objective.***didnt allah tells you that the messages in the quran clear and easy to understand (in one of the verse), then why you trying so hard to interpreting what your allah try to say, who are you? allah's adviser, you know what the punishment for you in the burning hell, for try interpreting allah's words, you will become the fuel of the burning hell.quran is full of contradictions to suit your purpose, actually its not full of contradictions mohamed who invented the quran forgot what he's put in there, it just you the fool muslims trying hard to make it logical, the more you look the more entangled you become by your own words, what about the verse that says, in the matter of witness one man equal two women because they're intelligent deficiency, what do women get in paradise?islam is feces, the waste product that has been digestive and expelled from the body, if islam useful it wouldnt be expelled from the body or at least become fat, we have western democratic and liberal society that make us what we are now, we should reject islam that is proven only bring misery and carnage all over the world, name any prosperous islamic country, if you want to follow islam, go live in the septic tank (islamic country), cause thats where you should be, dont pollute our western land with your stinking idea, and make sure you beat your wife if she gets upset because you want to married another woman
to islam the feces, isn't muslim offended the westerner who let you in to their country, feed you up, protected you from your brothers who want to kill you back home in your stupid islamic country, and you want to take their freedom and their custom to suit the smell of your cloth?? muslims are nothing but a fillty rats, go out there on the street, take your stupid moderate muslim fools with you and denounce the terrorist, or you just rather hiding in your hole like a house mice muslim women are the dumbest of them all, tell me what you get in paradise as supposed to your male counterparts get virgins and young boys, islam is nothing but cruel cult of man's fantasy
Hello, Islam is peace, are you Linda Bogaert perhaps, the name in the link you provided? I for now assume you are (a) she. You were offended? But can you imagine that Ali Sina and many ex-Muslims and many Kuffars were and are maltreated and offended by Muslims also? You see, Ali Sina and many like him have a beliefsystem and government system that they love. And they believe Islam is a threat to that. They believe Islam is responsible for a part of the Muslims suppressing minorities and women in the countries very badly where they have power and in their communities. When you love something and something or some group is threathening, preventing, sabotaging etc that, then you naturally hate that and speak against it. Don't ignore their valid motivation. You say Ali Sina maligns Islam? Well, we say you whitewash what we see as an evil cult. Sometimes we cannot believe to what extent Muslims go with that, with all this lying, or pretending to be deaf and dumb to the bad teachings of Islam and acts of self-confessed Muslims when they are told in the news, by countless reliable witnesses and experts. Yes, at the end of the day we may well face God. And what is it you are going to tell HIM? How sure CAN you be of what your parents or your converters told you, what proof did they present? Didn't you just gamble? And after investing your life in Islam, didn't you just close yourself to all contrary information, like you just did reading this website? Islam is about Quran and Sahih Hadith. These are immutable texts. If all sorts of intelligent people investigate them, then diverse explanations, interpretations of their meaning arise. It is very arrogant of you to assume that nowadays only loving believers can know what Quran and Sahih Hadith say/ mean. Since it is only a gamble that Allah or God speaks those words, with no scientific proof, only subjective feeling as proof (something all believers of all faiths have, but only one or none be true), it follows that just because you believe you do NOT know better than those who don't believe. No, nowadays, the opinion of "Kuffars" can be just as or even more close to the truth than the opinion of the prejudiced Muslims. Quran 4;34 has been investigated and commented upon extensively by the "Kuffars" and since the texts are immutable, you cannot change that, you have to do what you do, trying to make sense of the instructions of Allah and ending with saying: That is just one interpretation. Yes! And other interpretations are those of the "Kuffars" who warn Muslima's about it. And also of Muslims who lived in environments where they were the boss and no kuffars bothered them. And these Muslims surprisingly agreed with the Kuffars, when it suited them to beat their wives shitless. There are plenty testimonies of that. So you are whitewashing, and you just don't know, your guess is as good or worse than those of this website. So you gamble that it was Allah, God that spoke to Mohammed, and depend on that for your trust in a good afterlife, without a shred of evidence? And then you are stuck with a well-nigh indefensible text, which should put off women who think of marrying Muslims very much. And next we know you try to wring a still bearable explanation from the text because it cannot be changed! Which is what any manmade political party would do when a text was so ambiguous and downright indigestible. And then you still support the idea that the Quran is in simple language, easy to understand. And the Kuffars, who as I said, are or were experiencing/ witnessing oppressive and violent behavior from Muslims, who have better alternatives for many of Islams teachings and practices, so who are positive, they will get to know your Islam, Quran, Sahih Hadith, inside out, and they will proliferate their conclusions. And many young Muslims will hear both sorts of experts in the 21st century, not just the Muslim ones, but also the Kuffar ones, and they will be able to choose. And the more the Muslims behave badly, as the Kuffars describe it as being originating from Islamic teachings, the more the young Muslims will choose the other side. All the more because it is shown how improbable it is that a faulty ancient book contains the true words of God. Or if it does, that God since never spoke or intervened after that, so from 632 until 2010. How long is HE according to you remaining silent? Until 2100? Any way, we'll see after we die what's the truth, and what not, won't we?
Well, at first it was (light) beating, and now the new interpretation is no beating at all !! lolI will disprove u in just one line.When the same verse was presented to prophet mohammed, he said, u shud beat ur wife gently, with the miswaak, and the beatings shud not be on the face to spoil her image.so, its not forsaking more, its BEATING my dear.And the more funny part was, beating with the miswaak, which is considered as 'tooth-brush- today.Because,the size of the stick has reduced to the size of tooth brush!In older days, the sticks used to be large enough to whip the camels with it.And yes, if it was Not beating but forsaking some more, then prophet mohammed would def have corrected it instead of saying to beat lightly and not on the faces.
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Stupid LS never fails to amaze me, <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">1. "But based on my understanding I know asian families are strict whatever religion they are, and they would have most certantly forced or maybe stopped her from seeing this guy not only because he was her bf but because he was from another religion" <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: Your understanding is surely flawed and yet you keep repeating it. Asian families are very strict? LOL I'm asian and i know for sure that it is the religion that makes them that way, not the race. Every muslim women want only muslim man for the marriage, so the choice is either an original muslim or a convert. In indonesia, there are many muslim women who demand conversion to their non muslim boyfriends or the marriages will be cancelled. The parents of course will disagree at first but if the woman persists then a conversion is the final choice. This case is not applied to other faiths in some extent. There are many christian-buddhist/christian-hindu/christian-confucian/hindu-buddhist/confucian-buddhist marriages that don't need conversions and they are just fine. Seeing is believing, not by reading, let alone lying (like you). <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">2. "Based on ALi sina comment why the hell would she want to promote this book as a muslim. she still is a muslim. she hasnt read it but has heard of it. Unless it is someone acting as sara to promote the book so muslims on this site can actually think of reading it." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: You have generalized people to suit your pathetic narrow minded thinking. Not everyone is like you. There are many open minded curious muslim out there, especially if the person is not religious at all. Here in indonesia there are many muslim who don't care about the cartoons of pedo mo and they like to drink alcohols. They even disobey the fatwa from the highest Ulema. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">3. "And finally the story just sounds so amusing and like a fairy tale to me just like the other story of a 17 year old guy who somehow wanted to convert and than told his parents that he didnt like islam and than his parents saying we had our doubts about islam." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: Your words will get the attention if you can provide some evidences plus a perfect reasoning of why this is a fairy tale. So far, you’ve failed me let alone the others. Your reasoning is flawed and you keep repeating it. You are a frog in the well. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">4. "I mean what the F." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: the word F should be directed at you, mr. flawed logic. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">5. "Why would she get angry when her bf sowed her the website? surely she would have been angry when he talked to her about the website. Surely you talk to someone about something before you show them it unless its a surprise, which i dont think this was as she already seemed to have known about it." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: See, readers? another assumption from an arrogant fool. Let's see, I talk to my friends about something but i wait until they see it for themselves rather than tell them because it's too long and complex to explain orally. You assumed she knew the site before. On what basis? feeling? <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">6. "wait a minute in a later paragraph she writes ''My boyfriend wrote that once we visited your site together I accused him of insulting my faith. Yeah I did because I am tired of reading and hearing Islamic terrorism.''" "So indirectly she should also be insulting ali sina not appraising him." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: In your simple mind maybe, but not in the real world that contains more flexible possibilities. She saw the site (in a flash) and decided that it was just the same with the news about terrorism, but after she read it further, she couldn't retaliate judging from the info about being non religious, just like other muslims that i've discussed with here. "Accuse" is not the same with "insult" and the counter attack is not always an insult. Do you think she is similar to you? Let’s see: <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">- "i don’t know much more about Islam, and I can’t blame you for propagating anti-islamic propaganda because you a free person and everyone has the right to express his or her views" - a result of living in India and having non muslim friends <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">- "i can neither blame you nor my boyfriend for the break up. I am responsible for this and I admit it." – true because she threaten him first <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">- “<span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">I have always appreciated those people who deserve appreciation and I am writing you because you deserve appreciation.” – </span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">is</span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en"> </span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">consistent with the words – </span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">“Second time in my life I visited </span></span><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: #2a5db0;"><span lang="en">faithfreedom.org</span></span></span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en"> to read your advice to my cute, honest, caring and gentle boyfriend.” – </span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">shows that she is not an “insult” type person and had read FFI and saw what kind of person Ali Sina is.</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Now, mr. flawed logic, "I accused him of insulting my faith" means that she complained about it (her identity) not insulted him. A complaint is not always an insult and her attitude to her boyfriend shows that. Your eyes is really blurry mr. frog. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">7. "Another proof that this is fake because you dont read that in the newspaper, where all illigial activites are mainly carried out by muslims. That is total utter nonsense. Again another pscological way of putting islam down whilst being apologetic." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: Proof and nonsense overruled. Says who? I read newspaper (indonesian) and that contains a lot of terrorisms, smugglings and persecutions involving "radical" muslims (muslim in my country refused to be counted with them so they didn't cencor it). The crime of muslims too can't escape the indonesian media (which has a freedom of press). In fact, the majority of my posts were from the indonesian newspapers and tvs, not this site. If i can find these in Indonesia (the biggest muslim country) then i can easily find this in India (the biggest Hindu country). You are truly a frog, an arrogant one. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">8. "Again being very apologetic about her nature, trying to show that she is free minded but only doing this because of her parents." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: Biased unproven allegation. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">9. "Which parents say that. Again so much crap. iF muslims are how ali sina describes them than her parents should have either killed her or forced her from not seeing him. Either she is lying or ali sina is lying about muslims." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: The crap is you. Again baseless accusation caused by lack of information. There are so many democratic muslim that behave like her parents (Conversion as one of the solution). Killing is happening mostly in islamic country with sharia. You distorted reality and generalized others into your pathetic thinking. Ali Sina once lived in Iran (sharia law), unlike me. Just like Grace said, different people different testimonies but one truth. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">10. “<span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">Secondly if her parents are those little minority which ali sina describes as moderate, than they wouldnt ask the guy to convert rather they would just let them be.”</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"><span style="color: #000000;">My comment: See, it shows that you are a frog in the well. Same reply as above. </span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">11. </span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">“No parents are happy when their child marries someone from another religion what ever religion you are. So first thing they would try to do is try and talk her out of it not encourage her. And as she is from india than most probably thats what they will make her do.”</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">My comment: No parrents = generalization influenced by feeling</span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">, unconsistent with what I’ve seen. Most probably = vague argument. LS is an all knowing creature, isn’t readers? Too bad he’s dead wrong.</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">12. </span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">“This is a form of promotion because than readers get curious about the book and they will ask ali sina the very same thing as they want to now also know what is so special about this book. “</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"><span style="color: #000000;">My comment: What’s so spesial about you? Or islam? Again baseless allegation with no proof. So everyone in this earth cannot do this because you will accuse them as a promotion and that will 100 % true? It’s an absolute argument yet lack of basic proof.</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">13. </span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">“SUCH A FRADULENT STORY”</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">My comment: SUCH A FLAWED AND BIASED REASONING</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">14. </span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span lang="en">“</span></span><span lang="en">Did they really spit on your face? lol. I aint an imam but i can satisfactorily answer all the questions you have in mind. I guarantee you any question you have to ask has already been answer. Like the camel urine and for the people to drink it:”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">My comment: What happen to my questions eh? Not to mention enermous unanswered posts of mine and others? Run run run…but keep boasting. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">15. </span><span lang="en">“sTOP speaking out of your ass. Watch tapes of dr. zakir naik and you will see many muslim woman asking questions about islam.”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: in a “special” uncritical way. Example: you that run from me. I too often see muslimah asking questions in tv, but the questions are pathetic not worth for me. Questions that have been “arranged” or “cencored”. Understand now, mr. frog?</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">16. </span><span lang="en">“Current research is being done using camel urine to treat cancer and horse urine is already used for other medical purposes so was the prophet right. And guess what after drinking the camel milk and urine they became healthy.”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">My comment: Why don’t I hear this in the news? In the biggest muslim country we have no such things not even in store. I wonder why? Guess = unproven argument. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">17</span><span lang="en">. “You dont have to look in the quran to see if your doing right or wrong. Your instinct can tell you that. Quran doesnt generally teach do's and dont, it gives laws about divorce, marriage, how men and woman should be treated and so on”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">My comment: Objection. Halal and haram sections are all about do and don’t do things. If you can use instinct why use quran? Not to mention that quran is a complete way of life in details. Fatwa exists to supply this. I don’t tolerate lying. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">18.</span><span lang="en"> </span><span lang="en">“Dont know where you got that from”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: Then search it, lazy bum. Left hand is a symbol of uncleaness and used to clean your private area. Pedo mo said satan uses left hand. Right hand is a symbol of righteous. You are instructed to shake and eat with right hand. See, do and don’t do things. I got it from muslim’s behaviours in my country, not this site in case you complain.</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">19</span><span lang="en">. “No the funny thing is how you fail to acknowledge that animal urine is already used as medicine. And if they didnt believe that camel urine can be used to cure diseases i dont think they would be using it has a method or proposal. An i mean really. lol. you should just check on the internet.”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: Wrong. Internet is a sea of informations including false ones. To confirm it you have to touch the real world. Why don’t you drink it and advertise it? I’m waiting the news in my country about a muslim from London who drink camel urine. Try to make the headline if you can so that I can notice you. Anyhow, pedo mo was not an inventor of camel urine because no where in the hadith said about allah told to the pedo. So, it was a traditional faith-based RAW medicine that existed before islam. Unless you can show me the verse containing revelation about camel urine. The verse please, mr. frog.</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">20. </span><span lang="en">“Your a crappy med student arent you. Because although waste products coming out of your body are waste it also have some nourishments. Your saying that would I drink urine. The answer is no. Because i am healthy. Today we dont have to resort to taking such actions cause we have many medications that use are there to heal our wounds.”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: excuse and more excuses. Afraid? People will not </span><span lang="en">stay healthy all the time so try to do my suggestion whenever you get the chance. I’m waiting…… Newspaper…..oh I can’t wait to see that. Kafir medications can easily beat pedo mo and make it useless. Bingo.</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">21. </span><span lang="en">“As a medical student studying 4 years in medicine you are expected to know that. And urine is not just a waste product because even human urine has some benfits.”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: You said that without even trying it. I have a relative that drinks his own urine. No effect, let alone other people’s urine. Walk the talk.</span><span lang="en"> The components was in your body at the beginning then your body dumps/rejects it, so it’s no use to drink it again. This was a trend for a pretty long time but now it’s not because of no result. At first people in my country were eager to try it but now they have given up and no article about it anymore. It’s like you speak to a salesman talking greatly about his merchandises but he never uses it himself. The era of drinking urine is expired. Source: people’s experiences, not some articles.</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">22. “</span><span lang="en">Again i dont think your a med student or if you are i think your just a shabby one, because you cant seem to read. he hadith says So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels.These men killed the person looking after the camels because they thought the camel had special healing powers thats why the prophet order the men to be killed. They unjustly killed another man for no reason. This is called justice. Justice is not putting a murderer in jail for a few years and let him enjoy free activites whilst inside at the tax payers expense, whilst the family of the deceased suffers.”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: Pathetic justice because of the torture the pedo gave them. If killing worth this kind of punishme</span><span lang="en">nt what will happen to slandering (which is worse than killing)?. Is this the standard of sharia law on murderer? Pathetic. It’s too early to trick me, mr. frog.</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">23. </span><span lang="en">“No i wont believe a random man coming to me an saying his the prohet i would think his a crazy man. because the prophet said he is the seal of the prophet. But if someone comes and tells me in the near distant future that he is jesus or the mahdi or the dajjal, than yes with acknologed proof i will believe because the prophet stated these people comings.”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">My comment: yes, you are. Proof? Where? Your constant dodging is a proof? <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">24. </span><span lang="en">“Prove to me he did”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">My comment: Prove to me he didn’t. Read the book. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">25</span><span lang="en">.” sso peace to you mate. LOL”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: If this is coming out from a buddhist, I’ll believe it. LOL</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">26. </span><span lang="en">“and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: and now I’ll prove you wrong. That verse is made to attract the Christians to enter islam. After they refused the verse suddenly was cancelled out. Partial verses won’t help you. </span><span lang="en">This is a repetition, boring</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">27. </span><span lang="en">“O Children of Israel (the Israelites), remember and mention the favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I favored you amongst all the worlds.” (Quran 2:47, 2:122)”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: this verse had nothing to do with pedo mo’s time. This verse told the story when allah supported the jews (Moses era and so on). After the jews refused to convert then the hate verse appearred. Nice at first then if refused use violence. LOL. You pathetic LS.</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">28. </span><span lang="en">“So these two verses completely contradicts your baseless claims. You are pathetic busted divinity “</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: Contradiction of these verses only appear in the fool’s eyes, when you find the “key” then there will be no contradiction.</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">29. </span><span lang="en">“World leading scientists have converted to islam. Just write on google and you will find numerous scientist coming into islam. And the best thing is that they are even using the verses of the quran as reference to their books. Now if scientists are converting to islam what does that show?. they are the most intellectual people in the planet and they are entering a religion which is considered in the world as a cult by some.”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: Who? Where? How? Do they get nobel prize? Why do you call it world leading? No reference at all. Pathetic lie. Is this why this fake news never enter indonesian media? Just cheap rumor in internet.</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">30. </span><span lang="en">“Proof is something you have to seek. You cannot just say o i am following the quran without proof. How do you know that? the proof is the quran. Many millions of people have converted to islam just upon reading the quran. The number of converts to islam destroys the number of people leaving islam. Its like just a fraction of people leaving islam but masses are entering islam. Using what? The quran.”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: Wrong. That’s not how you prove something. Numbers? Where? Number = truth? You are not logical. You cannot even answer me. Indonesia, the biggest muslim country has a dying islam in here defeated by multicultural western influence. Muslim are killing each other too. LOL. </span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">31. </span><span lang="en">"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren LIKE UNTO THEE, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him." Deuteronomy 18:18</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: What? This verse appears again after I’ve refuted it. Wow, truly have no shame. Do you forget what I asked to you? Concrete proof. Give me the words like:</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">arabian factors, <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">ismael’s decendants <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">pedo mo’s name <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">egypt’s connection <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">Brethren were israelis themselves. Him = capital word means Jesus. Jesus is an israeli. Copy paste…… Bible is supposed to be corrupted (islamic thinking) and yet you rely on it. LOL, Double standard of a fool. Clue: convenant…circumcision….outcast…. After got seperated of thousand years this arab race is not truly a brethren anymore plus this word usually points to people of the same group. So, your proof is denied.</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">“And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation” <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">My comment: for abraham’s sake (being a pious man not prophet). At least the son got something. And that something is…… <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">“You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, [a] <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">for the LORD has heard of your misery. 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward [b] all his brothers." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">Bam! Bingo.</span><span lang="en"> Accurate! Muslim vs other faiths and atheists, Muslim vs muslim, brothers vs brothers, sunni vs shiite, radical vs corrupt. Although I have a logical explanation on this but I’ll leave it like this since this fool also uses faith in his argument. As the english man says, bloody hell. Ismael = hostile, Ismael’s decendants = hostile, resulting in exile. </span>
<!– @page { margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } –> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Mr. Junaed the gent.. – ouch, my hand suddenly got hurt when trying to type the word, i wonder why? -. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Ops, i missed your posts on this one, so i'm trying to fix it. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">1. "Good analysis. I too had the same sensation that the girl is a figment of a hate-filled heart." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: The only one that praise such a flawed analysis is having a flawed brain themselves. Sensation is a feeling and feeling is influenced by people's mindset. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">2. "Do read the comments of a person who tells himself as an "Arab" !! I had a nice laugh. That's what I had told in my comment in another thread: "these guys are nothing more than ghosts of a ranter's dream"." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: Why are you so surprised? Here in my country we have arab decendants behaving in unislamic way. I suggest you to not laughing because it only shows your limited knowledge. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">3. "If she really wants to read it, can't she ask her boyfriend (orally) so that he will arrange one for her? Its pure exhibitionism asking for a book from its author when discussing with the same person about her life matter (that is, she is in need of her boyfriend back) !" <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: What is so staggering about doing that? It makes no difference wether she asked the boyfriend (if he 's around) or the author. She is thinking about another way out in this matter since her boyfriend refused to convert and left and she is (appears to be) an open minded person and does not hate the author. Sometimes it's better to deal with the source itself directly to make all things clear and make the final decision, especially in this case. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">4. "That's what is sounding odd for us!" <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: I've seen many type of muslims so it's not odd at all. Especially those who are living in democratic country. You too should learn more. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">I'm amazed to this gent..ouch junaed. He loves to put his thinking to someone else and declares it as an international standard to all people of this earth. He thinks that all humans behave the same way like he do. Muslim thinking is at work here. His core argument was that this letter is a fairy tale and impossible to happen. Since he's limited in knowledge so he didn't realize that this kind of condition is truly exist in the real world. Since it's exist thus make this "fairy tale" accusation refuted by itself regardless of the confirmation of this letter. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">5. "I wonder why these 'so-called' Muslim girls always write to Ali Sina regarding their love affairs… I am surprised whether the genius is doing a matrimonial side-business (perhaps he needs to earn 'that' $50K) !!!" <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: Desperate? mr. gent..ouch.. hey, it hurts again. So called? remember mr. junaed, i only accept perfect reasoning and perfect evidence not biased allegation based on mindset. If you manage a site you'll get visitors. If your site attracts many people then you'll have various responses and one of them is email. Love affairs in islam is a big problem and not to be taken lightly because it affects the entire of your life (change of lifestyle) and your decendants. Ali sina only gives 50k to the challenger not the girls. Baseless accusation won't work here, people will laugh at you. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">4. "Dear Sarah, now tell me the truth: To what faith do you believe; I'm sure you CANNOT be a Muslim. These type of phrases never come up in a Muslim's mind. And since you had not yet confessed that you are an apostate, you cannot be a Muslim either. Please don't goof around to make the confusions prevailing here to become pip." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: she is a nominal non religious muslim who never reads quran. Don't tell me you didn't know this? Man, are you living on the moon? She is not an apostate because she didn't say anything to disapprove allah and pedo mo. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">5. "Somehow, you made it right. I'm afraid your above parlance best suits your wedlock advisor and his cheerleaders!" <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: Again, some baseless accusations. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">6. "First Sara, then Samara, next is who? "Samahara"?
" <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: Wrong numbers. Samara was the earlier than her. Again and again baseless accusations. The fact that this condition is truly exist makes your allegation looks weak and makes no difference regardless of the confirmation of this letter. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">7. "Well, this is bad; really bad. I hope someone advises you to read before you write about a person. You don't know about what I know. I've even told already that this is NOT the place to discuss Al-Qur'an or the Ahadith. They are sacred." <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">My comment: so far you have not proven anything in your defences. May i invite you to the challenge page and its siblings to continue what your brother had left off? I've been waiting from them but none dare to respond. Kenneth (in the challenge page) and me will welcome you with open arms. This is typical muslim method when discussing quran and hadith, vanish when they reach a dead end. In fact all of my exchanges with them were like that and long ago i even issued a challenge to a muslim lawyer (appeared to be high educated) and he always dodged, like your idol LS. I suggest you to read all sections carefully first. <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">8. “<span lang="en">Ibnsahr, I don't think you're from an adept debating background with high moral ethics. Just take a look at your usage of words! Before you start to advice Muslims, I think you need to read Ali Sina's debates just to know what will be the impact of a healthy exchange of words rather than your exercise of filthy and bad words.”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: do check yourself and LS before you say something like that. I myself am looking forward to exchange with you. Can you? Remember, I’m a mirror so be careful with me. Don’t make me do what I did to seifiturki. Surely you are better than him, are you not? Judging from your posts. Don’t worry, I show objectivity.</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">9. </span><span lang="en">“You had asked me to prove that the Prophet (pbuh) did not have TLE. Reading this, Londonspirit is requesting you to prove that the Prophet (pbuh) did have TLE.”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">My comment: The book. Is that the best you can do? <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Demsci, <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">“I was a little bit worried the strong LS, together with Junaid, would verbally crush you, but you obviously can stand on your own!” <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: Why should you? I’m not. Considering that he always run from me. That shows</span><span lang="en"> that my points are stronger than him. And Junaed? I wouldn’t worry about him at all (judging from his limited knowledge).</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" lang="en">“With respect, LondonSpirit, it is hard and painstaking to debate you, for you demand, rightly, that we provide reliable sources for what we state and conclude and you often provide sources yourself.” <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en">My comment: Not to me. He vomitted the wrong verses again. First about that orphan verses (which he vanished), now about people of the book. Easy pie like taking a candy from a baby. </span><span lang="en">I disagree with the word “with respect”. You are naïve.</span>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">“<span lang="en">I write and he writes, and then i write, he writes back. The only difference is , he verbally abuses, and that shows how desperate he is to say his point, by degrading the opposite person”</span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en"><span style="font-weight: normal;">To all the readers that</span></span><span lang="en"><span style="font-weight: normal;"> are unfamiliar with LS (including Junaed), these are LS’s characteristics since he first appearance (months ago):</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en"><span style="font-weight: normal;">1. The style of his writing reflects arrogance regardless of who the opponent is</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en"><span style="font-weight: normal;">2. He use verbal abuses when cannot answer a question or prove anything regardless of his opponent is (ex. Samara, ibn kammuna, demsci, etc), as for me I don’t show mercy.</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en"><span style="font-weight: normal;">3. When cornered he chooses to vanish and wait for some time before reappear with newly built in pride</span></span><span lang="en"><span style="font-weight: normal;"> and the place is always different.</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"> <span lang="en"><span style="font-weight: normal;">4. Never ever admit defeat even if that’s the fact</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span lang="en"><span style="font-weight: normal;">At his earlier posts, most people here respected and used polite language with him, except me. I’m the only one that showed no respect to this fool. Now, the numbers is increasing on my side.</span></span> <p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">
<span style="font-size: x-small;">look at these two muslims londonspirit and junaid, they cannot even become a moral support to these muslim girls asking for advice in here , let alone the protector of their women, i now for sure they can beat the hell out of their women as it permisible by quran, this sara wants to know more about islam since she's not fully brainwashed like you guys, but you obviously dissapoint her and other muslim girls here this is the best of two muslims can do when facing with critical questions, run with the tail between their legs while wetting their pants, but what happened when they came in the army of thug, they answer us with swords and riots. isnt it same in behaviour, as londonspirit boasted he can give satisfactorily answer, when at the end he dissapeared without answer, like many story about muslim man's sweet talk before married and beat the hell out of their wife or wouldnt take notice of their wife anymore after while isnt it proved, that islam only for manipulating women, so husband can have sex with another 3 girls, and having french kiss with boys, disgusting and sick. to muslim girls, excuse me, but you're the dumbest of them all if you follow islam, wake up and spread the lies!</span>
Mooo. As you know, I live in Rotterdam, I have quite a few Muslims among my colleaques and I meet Muslims almost every day everywhere in the city. We even have a Moroccan Islamic mayor. Furthermore I have many, many colleagues who are socialist and they never want to hear anything bad about Islam or Muslims. My own family defends the Muslims when I dare to speak about the disadvantages of Islam. Then I have to think hard and argue very well in order to make our points. In this context you may see my reaction to LondonSpirit. Quite often, he argues just like my colleague Muslims, who are then, in my presence, supported by their mainstream political correct friends. In my family, to my dismay, and because of the faulty opinion of many Dutch columnists and TV-people, Islam and Muslims are again defended often to a high degree. Besides that, I always try to listen carefully and detect something true in what opponents say. And LS is despite everything a very diverse person. He has quite often difficult challenges. Difficult because these socialists/ political correct, so called fair minded people also come with similar arguments. Lastly, despite my different style, I admire your style, I think you really are smart and knowledgeable and veeery logical, I learn from a lot from you. I know you, as Ali Sina, rightly use shocktherapy, as style, but you are also very strong on contents, very concise and very humoristic.
Your colleagues argue like him? I mean, with arrogant and abusive behaviours? I pity you. My own family too behave like that (because of fear). Usually i just be blatant and they can't answer. This is different Demsci. This parasite is worse than any of your friends or they are the same?
Ali, excellent reply. Hopefully Sara will read your book with an open mind.
Dear Sara,I had also urged your Boy friend to fly,worried about what might happen to him and his family.Really glad to know it was not part of the Love Jihad.[poor Pratibha of Kerala was a victim]You say that you are an only daughter,and therefore has to defer to your parents.Tell me does a child become less precious to its parent if they have more than one child? And is not he a child to his parents? Did you ask his parents if it is ok if their child converts out of their religion.? What gave you the right to decide that you who knew your Boyfriend for only three years has a greater claim on him than his parents who have known him from Birth.If at all ,all of you have only an equal amount of claim,only. But that is besides the point.Knowing your religion and its Personal Laws,I am surprised you even want someone to join it.Do you want your Husband to abandon his family and Traditions he grew up with.Do you want to give your husband the Sharia'a -sanctioned right to divorce up in a jiffy by pronouncing Talak and only give you a nominal maintenance][ a la the Shah-bano Case,];do you want want to give him the religious right to beat you,if he does not agree with you;,do you want to give him the Koran-sanctioned right of treating you as a prostitute by paying for your bed[which is what mahr is];do you want to give him the Koran sanctioned right to take more wives.;Do you want to give him the Koran -sanctioned right of demanding your body whenever he pleases.Why do you hate yourself so much,that you want all this brought down on your head.Read all personal Laws,first ,before even considering Marriage,even if the guy was chosen by your Parents. Read the responses that his letter to Dr.Ali Sina,PhD. ,recieved and the debate that has ensued.Think about what happened to the Kashmiri Girl who Married a Jammu Hindu Boy,read what was done to him by her Father and brothers,as Muslims,though not in the name of Islam.Two other couples around the same time petitioned the High -courts of their respective states for Police Protection as the girls were from Muslim background and faced threats from their parents.BTW, As Ali Sina,has rightfully stressed,read his book ,critically and analytically,and know your religion first,before inviting /coercing some one else into it.Best wishesSita
Why would an intellectual like Ali Sina criticize his own religion unless he is doing it out of real conviction. Why would someone risk his life and future by taking a position that makes his life at great risk? You think that Ali Sina is being payed to do that? Is there enough money in this world to have someone put his life on the line? The fact that he is placing his life on the line proves that Islam is deadly against the freedom of expression. How could anyone follow a religion that stops one from the freedom of expression? Ali Sina is not involved in sheer propaganda, but in telling the truth, and for programmed people the truth hurts a lot. How could anyone believe that the sun which is over a million times larger than the earth sinks in a hole on this earth as it says in the Quran (18:86) check out the Arabic Quran, not the false Emglish translation? Check out (23:14) in which the Arabic Quran says that there are many creators!! Read Pickthall translation if you cannot read Arabic. There are hundre3ds of verses that shows God as a deceiver who misguides people!! Let your parentsw see these verses and you can see my articles on the Quran nd contradictions here on this website. Good luck
Since I started visiting FFI & reading Ali's debates,I have fell more & more in love with using reason & logic.I found out that one can use this mighty weapon in all areas of ones life.Sara,I hope you discover this also.
I'd love to see a debate between Ali Sina & Neale Donald Walsh,the author of Conversations with God.Or maybe Ali vs Gary Zukav (Seat of the Soul)
Hi santiago29 Or maybe Ali Sina vs Grace! LOL. CheersGrace
<span style="font-size: small;">Dear Ali Sina,</span><span style="font-size: small;">"I believe truth is powerful and anyone who is exposed to it cannot resist it." Indeed FFI is following the motto"fIGHT tERROR WITH tRUTH"</span> CORRECT. mY cOUNTRY INDIA taught this to the world 1000s of years ago through Mundaka Upanishad "Satyameva Jayate, na anarutam"(Truth alone triumphs, not Untruth) This line "Satyameva Jayate"(Truth alone Triumphs) today is the emblem of the Indian Democratic Republic. But what I find in my country? "Truth is no defence" say the learned judges of the Bombay High Court while upholding the ban on the book written by Advocate R.V.Bhasin which is critical of Islam. Here is the copy of the Court judgement:http://bombayhighcourt.nic.in/data/judgements/201… If Courts say "Truth is no defence", what r we to do? And, their Honours deem it fit to defend Islam and Quran based on Yusuf Ali's translation and commentary. wHAT DO V iNDIANS DO, Ali?
some times in my deep thought I see Islam will fade away from whole world except India. Here politicians are worried for vote bank, they want instant success even if it comes with the cost of compromise with future of the nation/generations. Islam will be kept alive only in India under t he umbrella of so called secular state even if it dies in all other nations. British were thrown back cos they were invaders, why not muslims too should be thrown away from India cos they too were and are live invaders in India. Listen to any muslim gathering they live in India but don't miss any chance to shed tears for their beloved Pakistan.
Sara u said: <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: & mso-fareast-font-family;">"I have been dating my boyfriend since last 3 years. I know him more than anyone else. You are a kind of influential person. So my boyfriend followed your advice blindly. I can neither blame you nor my boyfriend for the break up. I am responsible for this and I admit it." </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: & mso-fareast-font-family;"> </span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: & mso-fareast-font-family;"> </span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: & mso-fareast-font-family;">Hats off to u. Anyone who blames others is weak. Who accepts responsibility is strong. You appear to be a strong lady. You will be able to face the truth. You will see light. </span><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 0pt; line-height: normal; mso-margin-top-alt: auto;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: & mso-fareast-font-family;">rEGARDS</span>
This letter of Sara is expressing only one simple truth.The truth of how much influence have Dr.Ali Sina over the readers who visits Faithfreedom.org. It also reveals the inner strength of Dr.Ali Sina and this inner strength is the truth.If this lady saved from the claw of islam than not only she will be saved but also her boy friend and if they marry their childrens too. This two person and their children's life will be completely different. Instead of having the follower of darkness they will be the soldiers of enlightment. Who knows if Dr.Ali Sina and faithfreedom.org didn't exist that her boyfriend might convert to islam,she may never get a chance to learn the truth and their childrens would become the victim of islam.But now Thanks to Dr.Ali Sina,thanks to faithfreedom.org,these precious life will be saved.Wow!! Word is not enough to express what are you doing Dr.Ali Sina. It is simply making a difference in the world.
O, Sara, How I wish that you will apostasize from Islam and then be together with the man you love! Living your own life, not that your parents want to decide for you. Realizing that clinging to a religion for the sake of parents and friends and community is a lousy reason. If it turns out all to be a lie, after your death. Your genes make you a member of your people, but NOT your faith.
Great reaction, Samara, I was a little bit worried the strong LS, together with Junaid, would verbally crush you, but you obviously can stand on your own! That what you said about LS that he is doubting YOU, saying your and other stories here are FAKE and elaborating why. While at the same time totally uncritically accepting every word by Mohammed, has struck me too before. LS trusts Mohammed like a baby, because he was told HIS story when a baby. Never applying any critical examination it seems. But Ali Sina's book, articles on FFI, stories like yours, he is highly skeptical about. The contrast is baffling. Camel Urine-use in the old time is one thing, the medicine taken from pregnant Mare's urine another. In the unadulterated Camel Urine there could well be toxic portions which hurt people. The medicine is only using the supposed beneficial parts of the urine. I write so you know I am your side and admire and enjoy your postings. And the stronger the opponent (LS) the more respect you get.
Thanks demsciI don't hold any personal grudges towards LS or junaid. I know how it works when u throw a question on a muslim . Trust me, they act much better than my family
atleast the reply me back !My family just asks me to SHUT UP. lol
SAMARA WROTE: Would u drink camel's urine to cure ur illnesses? All 4 years of my med school, i was taught, that urine is a waste product of the body, not just human body but any living being, they excrete substances, which is termed as urine.If urine were good for the body, it ain't come out, it would just stay inside, making us immortal .lol ANSWER: Your a crappy med student arent you. Because although waste products coming out of your body are waste it also have some nourishments. Your saying that would I drink urine. The answer is no. Because i am healthy. Today we dont have to resort to taking such actions cause we have many medications that use are there to heal our wounds. Even shit has some nourishments, thats why there is a coffee called Kopi Luwak coffee which is made from coffee beans excreted by civet cats and ranks high amongst the world's most expensive and rare coffees. As a medical student studying 4 years in medicine you are expected to know that. And urine is not just a waste product because even human urine has some benfits. <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">In 1975, one of the founders of Miles Laboratories, Dr. A. H. Free, published his book </span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Urinalysis in Clinical Laboratory Practice</span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">, in which he remarked that not only is urine a sterile body compound (purer than distilled water), but that it is now recognized that urine contains literally thousands of compounds. Among the urine constituents mentioned in Dr. Free's treatise is a list of nutrients that will knock your socks off. Here's just a few…Alanine, Arginine, Ascorbic acid, Allantoin, Amino acids, Bicarbonate, Biotin, Calcium, Creatinine, Cystine, DHEA, Dopamine, Epinephrine, Folic acid, Glucose, Glutamic acid, Glycine, Inositol, Iodine, Iron, Lysine, Magnesium, Manganese, Melatonin, Methionine, Nitrogen, Ornithane, Pantothenic acid, Phenylalaline, Phosphorus, Potassium, Proteins, Riboflavin, Tryptophan, Tyrosine, Urea, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12, Zinc/.</span> <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">You also wrote is urine is good for the body than it wont come out. What a layman answer is that. you sure your a student of medicine. </span> <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">SAMARA WROTE:</span>At one point, it is suggested that urine can be used as a treatment, and the next moment , the prophet asks his people to clean themselves frequently after passing urine, and not a drop of urine should be on the body or on the clothes for your prayer to be accepted. How can urine which is considered as a taboo for the skin can be healthy for the organ system? I seriously don't get it . ANSWER: Your not a mdeical student at all. your a lier. Because even i know that some medicines are to be taken as a solid state(tablets) and some as a liquid because it gives different effects to the body. When you have a thyroid you take radioactive pills to cure you but you cant rub break those pills and rub it over your skin caus eit will burn you and possibly kill you. you give pathetic answers samara. you defo are not a medical student. Just like if you rub urine along your body. it compounds within the urine may effect your skin or whatever but the main reason you dont do it becuase you will stink of piss. Stop giving layman answers. SAMARA WROTE:And the thing which u are called as PREMARIN, which is an exctracted substance from mare's urine, is used for Menopausal women, by saying this, u are confirming that those people were old women, and they became healthy and killed the shepherd and wat not. ANSWER: That is a stupid answer because i just gave an example of how urine is used in modern medicine. you have just read some article which i also read, where the person said that the people that the prophet killed must have been woman in their menopause state. The prophet said to these people to drink urine and milk of camel becuase from the hadith it says <span style="color: #008000;">Medina and its climate did not suit them.</span> So based on the hadith we dont know what problem they have had it could have been anything, further more we know its not woman because in those days woman dont travel alone. So your just giving another layman answer. SAMARA:And then prophet realized that, wat has he done, by giving them the medicine, so he ordered his men to go after them and kill them too ! Not just kill, but burn thr eyes, cut hands and legs, u know all the sadist stuff ANSWER: Again i dont think your a med student or if you are i think your just a shabby one, because you cant seem to read. he hadith says<span style="color: #008000;"> So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels.</span>These men killed the person looking after the camels because they thought the camel had special healing powers thats why the prophet order the men to be killed. They unjustly killed another man for no reason. This is called justice. Justice is not putting a murderer in jail for a few years and let him enjoy free activites whilst inside at the tax payers expense, whilst the family of the deceased suffers. SAMARA WROTE:My just one sentence makes u doubt ! How can u believe in every damn thing of a random man, comes to you, and tells you that he is a god sent messenger? Won't you question him? Won't u ask him to prove it? ANSWER: No i wont believe a random man coming to me an saying his the prohet i would think his a crazy man. because the prophet said he is the seal of the prophet. But if someone comes and tells me in the near distant future that he is jesus or the mahdi or the dajjal, than yes with acknologed proof i will believe because the prophet stated these people comings. SAMARA WORTE:And puhleez, don't even go near, how good/bad a student i am. If i were a bad medical student, i wudn't be even accepted in any university programs
ANSWER: Any one can get accepted into universitiy programs but like anyone else can get into it anyone can fail. An i think your a failure in your uni program. SAMARA WROTE:Junaid, disprove me that prophet didn't had temporal lobe epilepsy! ANSWER: Prove to me he did
<h2>londonspirit:</h2> As a medical student studying 4 years in medicine you are expected to know that. And urine is not just a waste product because even human urine has some benfits. <span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">In 1975, one of the founders of Miles Laboratories, Dr. A. H. Free, published his book </span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Urinalysis in Clinical Laboratory Practice</span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">, in which he remarked that not only is urine a sterile body compound (purer than distilled water), but that it is now recognized that urine contains literally thousands of compounds. Among the urine constituents mentioned in Dr. Free's treatise is a list of nutrients that will knock your socks off. Here's just a few…</span> Alanine, Arginine, Ascorbic acid, Allantoin, Amino acids, Bicarbonate, Biotin, Calcium, Creatinine, Cystine, DHEA, Dopamine, Epinephrine, Folic acid, Glucose, Glutamic acid, Glycine, Inositol, Iodine, Iron, Lysine, Magnesium, Manganese, Melatonin, Methionine, Nitrogen, Ornithane, Pantothenic acid, Phenylalaline, Phosphorus, Potassium, Proteins, Riboflavin, Tryptophan, Tyrosine, Urea, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12, Zinc/. I say: From wikipedia: <h2><span id="Modern_claims_and_findings" class="mw-headline">Modern claims and findings</span></h2> Urine's main constituents are water and <a title="Urea" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea">urea; the latter of which has some well-known <a title="Urea" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urea#Other_commercial_uses">commercial and other uses. Urine also contains small quantities of thousands of compounds, <a title="Hormone" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone">hormones and <a title="Metabolite" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolite">metabolites,<sup id="cite_ref-jeff_4-1" class="reference"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></sup><sup id="cite_ref-16" class="reference"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></sup> including <a class="mw-redirect" title="Corticosteroids" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corticosteroids">corticosteroids.<sup id="cite_ref-17" class="reference"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></sup> There is no <a title="Scientific method" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method">scientific evidence of a therapeutic use for urine.<sup id="cite_ref-Middleton_0-1" class="reference"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></sup><sup id="cite_ref-gardner_1-1" class="reference"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></sup><sup id="cite_ref-correx_2-1" class="reference"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></sup><sup id="cite_ref-todd_3-1" class="reference"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></sup><sup id="cite_ref-jeff_4-2" class="reference"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></sup> It has been claimed that urine is similar to other body fluids, like <a title="Amniotic fluid" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amniotic_fluid">amniotic fluid or even blood, but these claims have no scientific basis.<sup id="cite_ref-todd_3-2" class="reference"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></sup> Urinating on <a title="Jellyfish" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jellyfish">jellyfish stings is a common <a class="mw-redirect" title="Folk remedy" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_remedy">folk remedy, but has no beneficial effect and may be counterproductive, as it can activate <a class="mw-redirect" title="Nematocysts" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nematocysts">nematocysts remaining at the site of the sting. People who use <a title="Amanita muscaria" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria">Amanita muscaria as an intoxicating drug will sometimes drink their own urine in order to prolong its effects, especially when there were shortages of the fungus.<sup id="cite_ref-18" class="reference"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></sup> Urine does contain substances that are beneficial, such as Vitamin C; however, these substances have been excreted because they could not be used or because they were present in excess, so re-taking them will just result in re-excretion.<sup class="noprint Inline-Template" style="white-space: nowrap;" title="The material in the vicinity of this tag may not be factual or accurate from December 2009">[<a title="Wikipedia:Disputed statement" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disputed_statement">dubious <span class="metadata">– <a title="Talk:Urine therapy" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Urine_therapy#Dubious">discuss</span>]</sup><sup id="cite_ref-todd_3-3" class="reference"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></sup> The most obvious physiological effect of drinking urine, at least when it is taken on an empty stomach, is <a class="mw-redirect" title="Bowel movement" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowel_movement">bowel movement (sometimes in the form of <a title="Diarrhea" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarrhea">diarrhea) due to the <a title="Laxative" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laxative">laxative action of <a class="mw-redirect" title="Hypertonic" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertonic">hypertonic solution of urea. I did some research on urine therapy. It does have side effects such as diarrhea, vomiting, and fever. Moreover Urine therapy by some people as alternative medicine and is not recognized by the medical community. londonspirit: ANSWER: Any one can get accepted into universitiy programs but like anyone else can get into it anyone can fail. An i think your a failure in your uni program. I say: Not in the U.S. Our Universities demand that you meet some requirements in order to get in.
To IBNSAHR: Yours a dirty man, bringing mum into it. Shows the level of intellect you have. That when you cant satisfactorily give an answer you start insults. You can insult me but insulting my family is another. You wouldnt say that to my face because you will see something coming towards your face. But anyway as i am a muslim i will follow the prophets advice, that when someone insults you SAY PEACE. sso peace to you mate. LOL DEMSCI WROTE:LS trusts Mohammed like a baby, because he was told HIS story when a baby. Never applying any critical examination it seems. But Ali Sina's book, articles on FFI, stories like yours, he is highly skeptical about. The contrast is baffling. ANSWER: Dont know where you got this piece of information from demsci, i was not taught islam as a baby, cause as a baby you dont pay attention to these matters. An i aint highly skeptical about ali sinas work or samara's work i just find it amusing.
londonspirit. permit me to address the amazing grace wich ffi admin offer to people like your cyber space wasting endeavor. I highly recommend reason, how is it reasonable to believe in a god called Allah that unequivocally stipulates an incisive hatred for jews and a horrid disregard for Christians, this declaration by Allah is too seditious and has yielded an untold number of corpses from the 7th century to now, how will you feel seeing a a husband and their grown male children hacked to death while the wife and daughters are herded away for future consumption by the victorious Muslim warriors? The very ominous nature of Islam since its inception leaves just a little more than a catastrophic anomaly in the history of mankind, the otherwise straight out logical inconsistency of believing without a proof has become the saving grace of Muslims, this human degeneration causes people like londonspirit, Junaid and other fanatical and hollow fear stricken believers to be hateful to the point of eternal damnation without their knowledge, it is not untrue that Muslims believe that others will go to hell, how could a loving child's emotion alchemize into this primitive madness? A travesty indeed, a muslim talking about living in peace and respecting others is only equivalent to another Muslim throwing the Quran in the gutter without any hope of retrieve, for how could a godly book tell its followers not to take christians and others as their friends or , knowing fully the complex nature of this world? londonspirit and junaid, you need to have more temerity and a good sense of fact recognition, what is your evidence that Mohammad was sent by Allah, that allah exists? It will be an obvious impertinence if you go back to your worn out spurious and my book says it type of argument, argument from personal credulity due to theunknown nature of the universe will be too arrogant since allah is not agreed to be a god by Mayans, incas or the Greek ancients.
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">//Even shit has some nourishments, thats why there is a coffee called Kopi Luwak coffee which is made from coffee beans excreted by civet cats and ranks high amongst the world's most expensive and rare coffees.//</span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Evidence that shit has some nourishments?</span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Just because something is popular, doesn’t mean that it is nourishing. </span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">//Because although waste products coming out of your body are waste it also have some nourishments.</span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">The body removes the waste (any excess, whether nutritious or not) and it comes out as urine. And you say putting it back in the body is good for the body? </span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">To date, there has been no <span style="text-decoration: underline;">scientific evidence or clinical studies</span> that prove that a sick person drinking camel urine would become healthier. If there is, please provide the evidence. Marie provided some interesting links to articles which talk about the adverse effects of drinking camel urine which you totally ignored.</span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">//And urine is not just a waste product because even human urine has some benfits.</span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Evidence?</span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Only benefit I see is when no drinking water is available. Since urine is mostly water, it could sustain a human being for a longer time (but not forever) by keeping him hydrated. Still don’t see how camel urine cures a person who is sick because of climate. If it is true, don’t you think science would have done something by now to include urine as one of the components of modern medicine for people who get sick due to climate change? </span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">//not only is urine a sterile body compound (purer than distilled water), but that it is now recognized that urine contains literally thousands of compounds.</span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">The statement contradicts itself. So, you probably added those words in or copied it from someone else who added in those words to make it appear that the above remarks were made by the author of the book.</span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">How can urine be purer than distilled water? Distilled water contains H2O molecules and very little else. And then, you mentioned that urine contains many compounds. So, please explain how urine is purer?</span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">//Among the urine constituents mentioned in Dr. Free's treatise is a list of nutrients that will knock your socks off. Here's just a few…//</span> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial;">Firstly, I cannot find any articles that verify that urine consists of all those ‘nutrients’ that you mentioned. Also, just because a product consists of so many compounds, it doesn’t mean that it is good for the body. </span>
BUSTED DIVINITY when you dont know something please don try an make out your a genius in the matter. Cause you just look like a fool when your proved wrong. You havent even read the quran or any part of islamic hadiths apart from the verses and hadiths that have been cherry picked to try and disgrace the name of islam. YOU WROTE:I highly recommend reason, how is it reasonable to believe in a god called Allah that unequivocally stipulates an incisive hatred for jews and a horrid disregard for Christians, ANSWER: This is how I prove you wrong, using verses of the quran "…and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82). “O Children of Israel (the Israelites), remember and mention the favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I favored you amongst all the worlds.” (Quran 2:47, 2:122) So these two verses completely contradicts your baseless claims. You are pathetic busted divinity BUSTED DIVINITY WROTE:The very ominous nature of Islam since its inception leaves just a little more than a catastrophic anomaly in the history of mankind, the otherwise straight out logical inconsistency of believing without a proof has become the saving grace of Muslims ANSWER: Proof is something you have to seek. You cannot just say o i am following the quran without proof. How do you know that? the proof is the quran. Many millions of people have converted to islam just upon reading the quran. The number of converts to islam destroys the number of people leaving islam. Its like just a fraction of people leaving islam but masses are entering islam. Using what? The quran. World leading scientists have converted to islam. Just write on google and you will find numerous scientist coming into islam. And the best thing is that they are even using the verses of the quran as reference to their books. Now if scientists are converting to islam what does that show?. they are the most intellectual people in the planet and they are entering a religion which is considered in the world as a cult by some. I think these people have more logic than you busted divinity. BUSTED DIVINITY WROTE:for how could a godly book tell its followers not to take christians and others as their friends ANSWER: The verse doesnt say friends it says dont take christinas as your protectors. BUSTED DIVINITY WROTE:londonspirit and junaid, you need to have more temerity and a good sense of fact recognition, what is your evidence that Mohammad was sent by Allah, that allah exists? ANSWER: aS YOU will not read the quran you will never know if its the truth. Further more i have already expalined to you that allah exists prior to the great numbe rof intellectuals converting. But that shouldnt be taken as a sole basis. If your not going to read the quran obviously you will never believe in the religion because you dont know what it talks about. Next time research on the matter before you pose the question. You knopw you would be laughed at if you were in a auditorium full of people an in a debate with a muslim guy because your comments are baseless and you dont know what your talking about.
londonspirit farted:This is how I prove you wrong, using verses of the quran"…and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).“O Children of Israel (the Israelites), remember and mention the favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I favored you amongst all the worlds.” (Quran 2:47, 2:122)So these two verses completely contradicts your baseless claims. You are pathetic busted divinitywhat about the surah 5:51 and the one that say jews from ape and jew were cursedyour PIMP allah contradicts itself you see it but you dont understandok, before you fart any stinker regarding s#it 5:51, friend, protector, helper or even on indonesian translation it says the leader, which one is it, how come it yield to many words, didn't it already violet your PIMP by translating it into other language, hence the meaning is different?ok protector, what about the stinking muslims whose been given asylum by kafir countries because they were threatened in their own s#it hole?
<span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">LS </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">//BUSTED DIVINITY when you don’t know something please don try an make out your a genius in the matter. Cause you just look like a fool when your proved wrong. You haven’t even read the quran or any part of Islamic hadiths apart from the verses and hadiths that have been cherry picked to try and disgrace the name of Islam.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">Answer is NO. To criticize Islam no body needs read Quran/Hadiths.The simple reason is you don’t have to be a cook to taste/criticize a food item like a cake(or any of your favorite dish). When a preparation of cake is explained, cake is baked(cooked?) and the cake is served, in all these phases you can get taste of it(and criticize). Depends on who cooks, it is always enjoyable/painful process.But hearing Islam(and it's violence), seeing Islam(and its immorality) and practicing Islam( and its cruelty) stinks to the core period.</span>
To londonspirit, in what way did i insult your family?you said:"Current research is being done using camel urine to treat cancer and horse urine is already used for other medical purposes so was the prophet right. And guess what after drinking the camel milk and urine they became healthy."i say:i only giving advice of your finding, was the prophet right?, where is the insult?if you get upset, it only shows that you didn't mean it when you said that, so you and again being hypocrite.its like the islamic clerics who told the suicide bomber will get more rewards in paradise, then why they don't just do it themself, would you?, you read quran, it says ones who die in the cause of allah will get more rewards than the ones that just sitting around, wouldn't you want to get more rewards?thats right!, cause deep down inside you now its bullshit or indirectly you doubt the quranyou don't have to be highly academic or intellectual to know islam is not from god, or to refute them, as long as you can read and have clear mind, thats what you need.show me where is your intellectuality to worship the PIMP?, where is your intellectuality to believe sun sets in murky water, where is your intellectuality to believe some stinkin old man tighing a child was sent by god to guide mankind, even animal protecting their new born. Show me your satisfactorily answer??!!, even by this im sure you want to punch me in the head, because you dont have the real answer to that, what you got is your own deceptionlondonspirit farted:"But anyway as i am a muslim i will follow the prophets advice, that when someone insults you SAY PEACE."oh really?, have you read the hadeeth Abu Dawood (4361), about jewish women being killed by blind man because insulting pedo mo? show me where the fcuk it says peace???
londonspirit. You have once again displayed your expected tacless approach , presuming that I never read the Quran could only be considered as a hopeful guess at best or a totally crass allegation on an unknown individual at worst, I spent the better part of 25 years of my life as a Muslim, your dodge tactic will not do you good so also your uncharming prattle, Christians are to be subjugated, fought and never to be taken ín uniformity as the Muslims brethren. Qur'an (5:51) – "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." Qur'an (5:80) – "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah…" Now try to converse the quran for unbeliever loving verses, then compare them to the above and try to convince us how not schizophrenic allah/Mohammad are, this why most Islamic defence against the hatred nature of their god only elucidates and confirms the hateful nature of the insolent scripts. No one claims ingenuity here, but it is obvious how much of a simpleton are, just because einstein embraces Islam does not mean Islam is Proven or other non-Muslims are lower in logic, this type of illogical argument from you only highlights your deep seated insecurity made possible by your lack of conviction on Islamic truth, this leads you to grab on the external supporters that may fill your hypocrisy created void which is daily being made wider through a consistent turmoil that is the effect of your cognitive dissonance. As easily predictable and shameless as you are, you lapsed back to the useless 'proof from the book' any other religion is true since a book proves divinity, how could you disprove any religion going by that convoluted reason, I really see that you prefer to rely upon unreason, I was savoring this moment, londonspirit you are really"a brainwashed Muslim, the key to understanding this is the fact that your only proof of your religion is your book, you are also deprived of real humanity, from the moment you mentioned that you could kill your own son for violating a woman, I gathered you up and dumped the heap in the lunatic dumpster, still, your cold indifference to the global suffering as you made it known on this website is useful as it shows how sick a Muslim mind is. Your logical fallacies are nothing new on this forum, the proof of validity in any religion does not deal in numbers, truth is not in the speed of convertion to Islam or the profile of those who converted, an argument from authority is the weakest and the most stuporous of them all, more people are now watching oprah than Dr. phil, does that prove the superiority of oprah over dr.phil? All it does is showing us the difference in taste on viewership, more people converting to Islam using faith (because we all know that Islam lacks that universal objective evidence) only shows us the degree at wich people are switching from one cavemen understanding of the world to another, in this case, Islam's cavemen mentality wins the day with a high suspicion on the degree of heat that Islamic hell-fire evinces as the major reason for conversion. Next time, try to bring a proof that could be validated not just an emotional and formative years ingrained blather, were you there with Mohammad when Gabriel came for the first time? did you take a background study on the angel to be sure he came from allah and that allah really exists and you can vouch on his true identity, otherwise, you are just high on faith as they come.
With respect, LondonSpirit, it is hard and painstaking to debate you, for you demand, rightly, that we provide reliable sources for what we state and conclude and you often provide sources yourself. OK, but….. I would like to point out a few aspects about the situation in the worldwide debate about Democracy & Islam. Although you have much knowledge of it, Islam is still very seen to be very complex, and you also lack some knowledge, as you yourself say you are not an imam. But OK, let us say you are part of a TEAM which has knowledge, the team of Muslims. But, we have by now noticed how vaque and ambiguous and contradicting Quran and Hadith can be and how divided Muslims are about so many issues in them and interpretations and conclusions from them. We have by now heard of soooooo many controverses among Muslims, especially since the Islam-critics started examining Islamic teachings and behavior. Islam-critics also are part of a team and BustedDivinity is backed up here by many team-members on what he says. And you can't refute what he says just based on 2 verses, because by now we know that the Quran and Hadith often contradict themselves, that many Muslims are ignorant or in disagreement of/ with what you point out and take opposite clues from other texts. Of course Muslims claim that Islam-critics just hate Islam and want to damage it, but it could also be said that they want to replace Islam with something better and are honest and careful about what they say about it, that what they suggest it is true, said by Muslims themselves. Islam-critics could be honourable enough to want to win only through finding the truth and using the best logic. At the same time, it could be Muslims who want Islam to win in an untruthful, illogical way. So, if that is so, the parties of Muslims and Islam-critics are equal in intention, and by now we know that they are almost equal in knowledge too, because the Islam-critics have many ex-Muslims, and excellent students of Islam. Just because a person believes in the DIVINE origine of Islam, like you, does not mean he necessarily understands the whole of Islam better. It is arrogance to assume that. As you point out, we have to fight for every point, do research, quote sources, use good logic. And the Islamic side time and again is shown to be so divided, so many Muslims disown other Muslims and their opinions on Islam. Take the controversy about which Hadiths are good and which are not. And the Islam-critics are forever learning more about Islam. And the teachings of Islam are there for all to study. So, you have no authority, your testimony, though very good, is just one more opinion, LondonSpirit. And Islam is owned by all mankind, not just by Divine-Origine-of Islam-believers. Human-origine-of-Islam-believers own and know it well too. I am sorry, but that is the state of affairs nowadays.
Ibnsahr. You said: show me where is your intellectuality to worship the PIMP? That is it, I have tried to understand how an educated person could accept Mohammad's sexual escapades, especially the episodes with the child bride, really, there is a highly effective intellectual censorship in Islam, this is made worst when a particular Muslim is a simpleton or too chicken-shit to be rebellious, hence, their diatribe on the truth of Islam continues, PITIFUL!!!
"fart""PIMP""stinker""stinking muslims ""s#it hole" Ibnsahr, I don't think you're from an adept debating background with high moral ethics. Just take a look at your usage of words! Before you start to advice Muslims, I think you need to read Ali Sina's debates just to know what will be the impact of a healthy exchange of words rather than your exercise of filthy and bad words. If you are upto something personal about Londonspirit, then this certainly is not the place for avenging. Pointing your fingers towards me (yourself or others who will be waiting readily) makes no excuse. Let peace prevail,Yours lovingly,Junaid
To moo i dont run away from your questions. Your questions are repititive. You repeat the question over and over and over again. When an answer is given you dont respond to it but you repat another question. The problem is that you people will never be satisfied with any answer. Even if God presented himself to you to confirm that muhammed was a prophet, yet you still wont believe. That is how locked your heart is. You only love hearing the so called bad points about islam an nothing else interests you. Muhammed clearly says in the hadith, that the best men among you are the ones that are kind to their wives. And the Quran clearly says that men and woman are equal. But yet you try to cherry pick verses and you try to disgrace islam. No other religious scripture in the worl even comes close to anything like this. Men and woman being equal was only established in the western worl in the last half century. Where woman was finally allowed to vote and do other things they wish. tO MOOOO. you may come from an asian background but you know jack crap. Because in indian(Hindu and sikh families) they do far worse than any other religion i nthe world ok. My friend she is sikh. She is dating a muslim guy and she says in her gudwara the men and woman are taught how to stop sikh gals going out with muslim guys. So dont give me that crap. If i wanted to date a sikh or a hindu gal i should be watching my back for her brother uncle or dad. None of you even know the quran yet you keep on stating this and that. You dont read one line of the book and say you have read the entire book and its crap. To understand something you must read it all.
You? answer my questions? When? How? Where? Pretending again eh? Your answer is not an answer but a cowardly escape. Oh, pretend and more pretending. Keep doing it cherry picker. You just said asian background which means you just generalized them all you stupid fool. Crap is your habit, you only want to hear the good side which is just an illusion. Your friend behaviour doesn't mean an entire people behaviour, stupid. Dear, oh dear. Replying me without even answering my questions again. See, readers? His posts is avoiding my posts, pathetic. I have 31 points, and he avoided it all.
<span style="font-size: x-small;">To londonspirit, the whole problem is with the quran, which is mohammed's wet dream, there are lot of errors, contradiction, hatred, lust and stupidity in it, which is it can not be from the divine source. look at your post, are you really that retarded?? Mohamed clearly says in the hadith, that the best men among you are the ones that are kind to their wives. And the Quran clearly says that men and woman are equal. But yet you try to cherry pick verses and you try to disgrace islam. No other religious scripture in the worl even comes close to anything like this. Men and woman being equal was only established in the western worl in the last half century. Where woman was finally allowed to vote and do other things they wish. every single sentence are jokes, the quran also clearly stated women less intelligent than man,quran also clearly stated males inherit twice than the female, quran also stated that man in charge of the women, where the hell is the equality, who do you trying to fool mr. pile of dung, which is what you are, cause you're only talking rubbish. you tell me, why should i having decent exchange with you if you only give nothing but crap? isnt it easy to see the inconsistency of what is written in the quran, the question is, how come all knowing allah can be so dumb, stating something that contradict the others, why we didnt see the contradiction on killing unbeliever, why there is no verses that say love unbeliever, respect unbeliever, feed the unbeliever why killing unbeliever (subjugate unbeliever) always consistent? you really make yourself look fool talking about women in islam, as women is object in islam. BTW, what about my curiosity about where you see muhammad saying peace to people who insult him? if you can not find the logic behind, why would god chose child molester to get his message across, i can understand, as muslim have surrendered their logic and mind, if i can talk to the goat my be i will understand you better, butaccording to you, what these female suicide bombers get in paradise if god treat women equal with men?</span>
See, ibnshar? This parasite did it again. Look at his posts, Did you find anything that truly respond to my posts? not to mention in another articles. LOL. He's trying hard to recover his pride. This make me wonder? Did he install video cameras in each and every indian muslim houses? LOL. Hey readers, we have a stalker here.
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Thanks for the link. One can easily see the miracles in Koran.