Gulsaeed: Sina, I DARE YOU TO POST MY COMMENT ON YOUR WEBSITE
This is an email from Mr. Gulsaeed. His email was forwarded to Dr. Sina.
Mr. Gulsaeed has dared us to post his email to us. He could have done that himself in our comments section. But here it is below folks, posted verbatim, with our editor’s notes
Thank you for your reply to my last e-mail. Today in my e-mail I will like to show and discuss some of important point and verses of Quran, which Ali had wrongly cited in his article “Gender Apartheid and Islam”
In his term first he cite the ver. (2-228) which commonly translate by most of the translator.
“Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.”(YUSUF ALI)
Do you know in what context ALLAH have given one degree of advantage to men? Read the verses from beginning its talking about divorced, after divorced women shall wait three monthly period so they can find out about their pregnancy and also during this time both husband and wife will get enough time to re-think on their decision and it might happen that they can change their mind and come together again. Men have no waiting period for remarriage because men don’t get pregnant or Mr. Ali wants men to get pregnant. Is that kind of equality you want? That’s only degree of advantage men have on women. Nowhere in the Quran ALLAH have given other advantage then this.
Now, if women have to wait 3 moths, don’t men have to bear it and wait 3 moths too. Isn’t that fair enough? It should be. The fact that women get pregnant and men don’t is no excuse here. You need to treat them equally, and this means both man and woman need to wait equal periods of time.
Second Verse he cite(2-282), and again he was stupid enough to cite one part out of context and ignore theme of the verse. This verses talking about loan transaction. And if read the whole verse its says “If two men are not available, then let there be one man and two women, all of them you satisfactorily consider competent as witnesses – so that even if the witnessing woman gets distracted (for example, by her baby), the accompanying woman may support and remind her.” The second woman will not be a witness in the court of law. She is there only to support the first woman if she gets distracted, for example, by her baby. Tardhaun from Radha = Those you are satisfied with = Of your just choice = In the context: You shall choose competent men and women as witnesses. Dhall = To get distracted = Losing focus = Attention getting diverted = Mind getting preoccupied with other thoughts = Losing direction = Straying. Zakkar from Zikr = Advise = Support = Remind = Confirm = Strengthen = Remember.
Here, Mr. Gulsaeed is flat out wrong. In fact, in Islamic countries it is a well-known fact that a man’s testimony is equal to two women’s testimony in Islam. Mr. Gulsaeed seems to imply that a man’s testimony is equal to that of a woman. This is not Islam. Let us read the verse 2:282:
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, Let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. The witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be small or big: it is juster in the sight of Allah, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves but if it be a transaction which ye carry out on the spot among yourselves, there is no blame on you if ye reduce it not to writing. But take witness whenever ye make a commercial contract; and let neither scribe nor witness suffer harm. If ye do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So fear Allah; For it is Good that teaches you. And Allah is well acquainted with all things. If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, let the trustee (faithfully) discharge his trust, and let him Fear his Lord conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it, – his heart is tainted with sin. And Allah knoweth all that ye do.
The above verse shows that in fact a man’t testimony is worth the testimony of two women. The expression “so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her” shows Muhammad’s bias against women. He did not trust what a woman says as much as what a man says. Mr. Gulsaeed thinks that one of the women may get distracted (by her baby for example). Hence, the other woman will remind her. One thinks that Mr. Gulsaeed thinks that caring for babies by a woman may cause some kind of a temporary memory recalls handicap. The faxct is all of us, men and women, have issues in our lives we have to worry about. It is not just caring for babies. Now, when I read the verse, it is clear that a man’s testimony is worth that of two women, period. Here is the verse in Arabic:
﴿يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ إِذَا تَدَايَنتُم بِدَيْنٍ إِلَى أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى فَاكْتُبُوهُ وَلْيَكْتُب بَّيْنَكُم كَاتِبٌ بِالْعَدْلِ وَلاَ يَأْبَ كَاتِبٌ أَن يَكْتُبَ كَمَا عَلَّمَهُ اللَّهُ فَلْيَكْتُبْ وَلْيُمْلِلِ الَّذِى عَلَيْهِ الْحَقُّ وَلْيَتَّقِ اللَّهَ رَبَّهُ وَلاَ يَبْخَسْ مِنْهُ شَيْئاً فَإن كَانَ الَّذِى عَلَيْهِ الْحَقُّ سَفِيهًا أَوْ ضَعِيفًا أَوْ لاَ يَسْتَطِيعُ أَن يُمِلَّ هُوَ فَلْيُمْلِلْ وَلِيُّهُ بِالْعَدْلِ وَاسْتَشْهِدُواْ شَهِيدَيْنِ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ فَإِن لَّمْ يَكُونَا رَجُلَيْنِ فَرَجُلٌ وَامْرَأَتَانِ مِمَّن تَرْضَوْنَ مِنَ الشُّهَدَآءِ أَن تَضِلَّ إْحْدَاهُمَا فَتُذَكِّرَ إِحْدَاهُمَا الاٍّخْرَى وَلاَ يَأْبَ الشُّهَدَآءُ إِذَا مَا دُعُواْ وَلاَ تَسْـَمُواْ أَن تَكْتُبُوهُ صَغِيرًا أَوْ كَبِيرًا إِلَى أَجَلِهِ ذَلِكُمْ أَقْسَطُ عِندَ اللَّهِ وَأَقْوَمُ لِلشَّهَـدَةِ وَأَدْنَى أَلاَّ تَرْتَابُواْ إِلاَ أَن تَكُونَ تِجَـرَةً حَاضِرَةً تُدِيرُونَهَا بَيْنَكُمْ فَلَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ جُنَاحٌ أَلاَّ تَكْتُبُوهَا وَأَشْهِدُواْ إِذَا تَبَايَعْتُمْ وَلاَ يُضَآرَّ كَاتِبٌ وَلاَ شَهِيدٌ وَإِن تَفْعَلُواْ فَإِنَّهُ فُسُوقٌ بِكُمْ وَاتَّقُواْ اللَّهَ وَيُعَلِّمُكُمُ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ ﴾
The Arabic text shows that a man’s testimony is equalt to that of two women. And, again, the text shows that Muhammad did not have much trust in women’s testimony. There is one word تَضِلَّ
That shows that Muhammad thought women can be literally “Lost” with regard to memory. He, Muhammad, does not mention such a topic for man and his testimony in the above verse.
Then verse 4:11-12 “that women inherit half of their male siblings” Mr. Ali I want you to use logic and mind, sons have the responsibility to take care of the family, and daughters will be cared for by their husbands, or if unmarried, by other males in the family. Male has the fiscal responsibility of the family according to the Quran men is responsible to provide livelihood to women. In any condition women will not force to go and work unless she wants to do by her free will. Mr. Ali Preparing a will is a duty ordained in the Quran(2:180-183) it will only apply in the case when a person died without preparing his or her will. If one sees that his or her daughter needs more finical help then male sibling one can will in favor to her according to the one need. And if you see verses (2-180) It is prescribed when death approaches any of you, if he leaves any goods, that he makes a bequest to parents and next of kin According to reasonable usage; this is due from the God-fearing. (YUSUF ALI) MAKE SENSE TO YOU OR NOT?????
Why should a man the sole financial responsibility to provide for his family? The view that Mr. Gulsaeed is pushing for is the Islamic view. But why do we have to accept it. It is a view that came to us from some criminal of 6th century Arabia. Are we supposed to rubber-stamp it? In our age, families have different forms and shapes. All members of the family contribute to the economic side of things. Why do we have to have strict rules to start with. Muhammad had a world view where men ruled and women obeyed. The thought of not leaving equal amounts of inheritance to all my children, males and females, is appaling to me. This is one of the reasons why I believe Islam is evil in practice.
Next is (4-3) that a man can marry two or three or four women, this verse is most misunderstood among non-Muslims and even Muslim. And again as usual Mr. Ali had cite only one part.
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or that which your right hands possess. That will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. (YUSUF ALI), you see how Quran explaining itself. as may happen in times of war and political turbulence, the government shall announce a state of Emergency, then, in order to accommodate widows and orphans, men of sound finances and character shall be encouraged to marry among these widows with mutual choice Second marriage during peace time is a frank violation of the Quran – note “If you fear‟ in the beginning. Unfortunately under influence of false propaganda and false account of history people think that Muslims can marry up to four wives in any condition.
Brother, the verse clearly says to marry women of your choice “two, or three, or four”. Muslims take that to heart. I grew up in the middle east. When I was still living back there, a close friend of mine lied to me, to other friends, and to his wife, and denied that he is taking a second wife. This happened on a Friday. On the next Monday he had a second wife that he married on Saturday. This is Islam in practice. Taqiyya and lying is allowed. Taking another wife is allowed. What can I tell you. This is Islam. It is a religion of lying and of demeaning women.
Mr. Gulsaeed, it is nice of you to try to find some justification circumstances for Islam’s rules of polygamy. But this is how you want Islam to be. It is how you want to understand Islam and live it. But the fact is this is not true Islam. This is just your dream of what Islam teaches about marrying multiple women.
33:50 if a women becomes captive in a war; her Muslim master is allowed to rape her, Mr. Ali how hatred of your heart coming out from your mouth, nowhere Quran mention to rape captive. See the verse below.
Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). (17-32) (YUSUF ALI), O Prophet! We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due share of property, and those women who have sought asylum with you and signed the marital contract (60:10). Also lawful for you in marriage were daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts who had migrated with you. And lawful is a believing woman who wishes to marry the Prophet, forfeiting her due share and the Prophet is willing to marry her. This forfeiting of dowry applies to you only, and not to other believers. We have already decreed their rights regarding their wives and women who have sought asylum in their homes. This arrangement is designed to ease any social difficulties on you (as Head of the State). God is Absolver of imperfections, Merciful. (DR. SHABBIR AHMED, Allama Muhammad Asad) in the second century after the exalted Prophet, Muslims, under the influence of corrupted kings and Imams, had begun reverting to the old ways of Jaahilyah. Some verses foretell these conspiracies: 6:112-113, 22:52-55, 25:31, 42:13-14, 45:16-18. The word AW in 23:6 is explanatory. AW = Or – That is – Namely – Call it – In other words. AW appears in this format instead of ‘or’ in many places in the Qur‟an such as 23:5-7, 24:3, 25:62. Please also see 70:30. Ma malakat ayimaanukum = Literally, those whom your right hands possess = Those who are rightfully yours through wedlock]
Sir, Islam’s teaching about not raping women is only for Muslim women who are Free to start with. Muhammad Had sex with Mariya, the Copt, without marriage. She “Belonged” to him. Muhammad himself raped captive women of war. Please read this:
In fact, rape was a matter of practice for all the early Muslim men. Have a look at this hadith:
Bukhari-Volume 3, Book 34, Number 432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
that while he was sitting with Allah’s Apostle he said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.
Please note that “Coitus interruptus” means “pulling out” the male part before ejaculations. Early Muslim men used to rape the female captives. But to have a good selling price for them, pregnant women brought in less cash for them. Note that rape was not on Muhammad’s radar screen. His only concern was to let the Muslim men fully enjoy their “sexual experience.”
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