An Email from a Muslim Who Knows Islam!!
Email From O F (name omitted to protect privacy)
Hi,
Have you seen a design which hasn’t a designer ?!
Have you seen a wonderful, delicate work without a worker ?!
It’s you and the whole universe!..
Who has made them all ?!!
Read … and think deeply before you answer..
Be rational and judge..
Just look..listen…compare..and then judge and say your word.
I am inviting you to learn about Islam.
Yours faithfully, I Omar
I advise you visiting :
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http://www.alheweny.org/english/
http://www.shareislam.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOOfL4LopKE
http://www.islamhouse.com/
http://www.thedeenshow.com/
http://www.answering-christianity.com/
Editor’s Reply
Thank you Omar!!
It is so nice of you to let us know and advise us. After all, we are ignorant about Islam. Right?
Can you please read the following and tell me how good Muhammad is:
Sahih Bukhari 4:52:271:
Narrated Jabir:
The Prophet said, “Who is ready to kill Ka’b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew).” Muhammad bin Maslama replied, “Do you like me to kill him?” The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say what I like.” The Prophet replied, “I do (i.e. allow you).”
The above Hadith shows Muhammad justifying assassination and sending someone to kill as an assassin. It also shows Muhammad permitting Lying.
This is your prophet Sir. He used to send his henchmen to assassinate people. He also sanctioned lying.
Why don’t you start comparing Muhammad’s behavior to any decent human being, let alone other decent religious figures.
Sir, Muhammad was a very evil man. We have proved that time and again. Here is a link to our challenge. Please read and tell us if we understand Islam wrong. Here is the link:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-challenge/
Let us hear from you. Thank you
Editor
Response From O F
Thank you Omar!!It is so nice of you to let us know and advise us. After all, we are ignorant about Islam. Right
I didn’t say you are ignorant, but what you know is what you were told, I don’t think that you read the Qur’an, but just some verses out of context trying to prove something, and of course you didn’t read sahih albukhari.
Can you please read the following and tell me how good Muhammad is:Sahih Bukhari 4:52:271:Narrated Jabir:The Prophet said, “Who is ready to kill Ka’b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew).” Muhammad bin Maslama replied, “Do you like me to kill him?” The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say what I like.” The Prophet replied, “I do (i.e. allow you).”
The above Hadith shows Muhammad justifying assassination and sending someone to kill as an assassin. It also shows Muhammad permitting Lying.
Yes he did. The question to ask is why he did? Ka’b as a Jew from Medina was under a convention of peace with Muslims. But he went to the idolaters of Quraysh and told incited them to attack Muslims in Medina and that he will help them. So his assassination was a prevention from war, and because he didn’t respect the convention.
About lying, in Islam it’s allowed to lie to your ennemy in a battle, war or any confrontation. In fact lying is permited in 3 situations:
A man can lie to his wife to keep their love, like saying “you are the most beautiful woman in the world” even if he doesn’t believe that
A man can lie to reconciliate people, so you can say to Mr “B” that Mr “A” said you are a good man and he wants to reconciliate with you or something like that.
the third is war, against the ennemy.
This is your prophet Sir. He used to send his henchmen to assassinate people. He also sanctioned lying.Why don’t you start comparing Muhammad’s behavior to any decent human being, let alone other decent religious figures.
When I do that I find that he is the best man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUIn1nejhGs&feature=related
Sir, Muhammad was a very evil man. We have proved that time and again. Here is a link to our challenge. Please read and tell us if we understand Islam wrong. Here is the link:http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-challenge/Let us hear from you. Thank you
Thank you.
Editor’s Response
Replies below. Thank you
Thank you Omar!!It is so nice of you to let us know and advise us. After all, we are ignorant about Islam. Right?
I didn’t say you are ignorant, but what you know is what you were told, I don’t think that you read the Qur’an, but just some verses out of context trying to prove something, and of course you didn’t read sahih albukhari.
Sir, you do not know me. I read the Qur’an and research Hadith all the time.
Can you please read the following and tell me how good Muhammad is:Sahih Bukhari 4:52:271:Narrated Jabir:
The Prophet said, “Who is ready to kill Ka’b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew).” Muhammad bin Maslama replied, “Do you like me to kill him?” The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say what I like.” The Prophet replied, “I do (i.e. allow you).”
The above Hadith shows Muhammad justifying assassination and sending someone to kill as an assassin. It also shows Muhammad permitting Lying.
Yes he did. The question to ask is why he did? Ka’b as a Jew from Medina was under a convention of peace with Muslims. But he went to the idolaters of Quraysh and told incited them to attack Muslims in Medina and that he will help them. So his assassination was a prevention from war, and because he didn’t respect the convention.
So, what you are saying that Ali is justified in assassinating Mahmoud because Mahmoud incited Omar to attack Ali. This is morally indefensible Sir.
About lying, in Islam it’s allowed to lie to your ennemy in a battle, war or any confrontation. In fact lying is permited in 3 situations:
A man can lie to his wife to keep their love, like saying “you are the most beautiful woman in the world”
So, you are saying that you can lie to your wife. So, if you plan to take another wife, you can lie to the old wife and tell her you are not taking another wife. Right? After all, you want to keep the peace and love in the house. Morally, this is unacceptable Sir.
even if he doesn’t believe that
A man can lie to reconciliate people, so you can say to Mr “B” that Mr “A” said you are a good man and he wants to reconciliate with you or something like that.
This is also morally unacceptable, and no more than trickery
the third is war, against the ennemy.
This is your prophet Sir. He used to send his henchmen to assassinate people. He also sanctioned lying.Why don’t you start comparing Muhammad’s behavior to any decent human being, let alone other decent religious figures.
When I do that I find that he is the best man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUIn1nejhGs&feature=related
Sir, Muhammad was a very evil man. We have proved that time and again. Here is a link to our challenge. Please read and tell us if we understand Islam wrong. Here is the link:http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-challenge/Let us hear from you. Thank youEditor
Thank you.
You should learn more and more before making anti islam your religion.
http://www.alheweny.org/english/
http://www.shareislam.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOOfL4LopKE
http://www.islamhouse.com/
http://www.thedeenshow.com/
http://www.answering-christianity.com/
Sir, anti Islam is not my religion. I just see Islam as an evil force in the world. Muhammad and his bandits raped women, were pedophiles, attacked other groups of people with no reason except their own greed for booty.
Let me challenge you that we discuss any of our accusations in the challenge. This will help us narrow things down. For instance, we accuse Muhammad of being a pedophile, and a rapist. Please read our challenge on one of those two topics and we can discuss the strength of the evidence via emails.
Kind regards
Editor
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According to Muhammad bin Allah, all the muslims and muslimahs on planet earth are commanded to try their very best to protect the image of the religion of lies and deceptions till they became dust. It is halal to give all kinds of stupid and nonsensical excuses to cover up all those despicable lies discovered by the Kafirs/infidels in their holly Quran, in order not to put their Allah and his last apostle to shame and it is haram to admit or confess that the kafirs/infidels are more dilligent and hardworking than them in terms of reading and studying the holly Quran, that they have discovered so many lies and deceptions in the holly Quran.
No wonder Muhammad bin Allah decreed that everything he has said or that his Allah decreed is halal because Allah=Halal while everything and even human beings eg. kafirs/infidels are haram!
Hey Omar;
We are not concerned about whether or not God exist as many have even better arguments for his existence. I don't care if you worship the moon as long as you don't try to force your religion down our throats using force. The devil is in the details, as the Quran fails in logic, science and history. Let us look at the concept if God misleads his creatures, ecause if he does then he is not a god, but an evil entity:
What is the main work of the devil (Iblis, or Satan)? The answer is in Al-A’raf (7-16,17); to lure humans into sin, or to mislead humans. What about Allah? Believe it or not Allah does the same thing to mislead humans! Look at the following Quranic verses: Al-Nahl (16-93), Al-Ra’d (13-27), Ibrahim (14-4) all of them confirm that Allah guides those He wishes and misleads those He wishes. In Al-Nisa’ (4-88 and 143), AL -Shura (42-46), Al-Kahf (18-17) confirm that you will not be able to guide those that Allah misled. Look at Al Baqara (2-10) it says that the unbelievers have sickness in their hearts and Allah increased their sickness. Can you believe that? Instead of guiding them Allah increased their sickness!! Allah even gets angry at those humans who try to guide those that God mislead! Look at Al-Nisa’ (4-88): “Are you trying to guide those that God misled? In Al-Araf (7-16,17) Satan misleads humans as above while in Al-Araf (7:18) Allah will fill up hell with those that are misled by Satan. Isn’t obvious here that there is joint venture cooperation between Satan and Allah as Iblis will mislead and Allah will fill up hell with them? Look up these verses yourself in the Arabic Quran to confirm it to your feeble mind. If you cannot read Arabic look at Pickthall translation because others use deception in interpretation as it would be very embarrassing to tell the truth about this strange relation between Satan and Allah!!!!
Now that we know that Allah alone is fully responsible for misleading his creatures thus forcing them to become infidels, why would he ask his Moslem followers to kill these infidels, as shown very clearly in so many violent verses in the Quran? Look at the following few verses that call for killing the infidels unless they embrace Islam: Al Baqara 2(244), Al-Nisa’4(76,77,84,89), Al-Anfal 8(12,39), Al-Tawba 9:(5,14,29), 9(88,112,123), 47(4). All call to fight non-Moslems until all religion is that of Allah, or fight in Allah’s cause (Jihad), or to kill them wherever you find them until they pay Gezya submissively, which is a specially designed humiliating tax used only against non-Moslems. Here Allah shows utter naiveté as he exhort his Moslem followers to force the non-Moslems to embrace Islam (or be guided) when he told us in (4-88,143and many other verses as above) that those misguided by Allah could never be guided by man! Why Allah would exhort his Moslem followers to kill those who refuse to be guided, when he stated that they could never be guided? Accordingly he is either a cold blooded mass murderer ordaining his Moslem followers to do his dirty work or, as some Islamic authorities tells us, just wanted to test the loyalty of his followers! Really! Are our Moslem apologists telling us that Allah, the omniscient, does not know whether his followers will obey his instructions or not? What is the purpose of a test except to know the future result? What is the wisdom in creating infidels and asking his followers to kill them, while getting killed in the process as in (9:111)? Wouldn’t be easier for Allah not to create them in the first place, and save a lot of his followers in the process? So far almost 95% of the victims are Moslems especially in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. How many of these victims were true Moslem believers and Moslem children?
Obviously we have many questions but of course no logical answers. Aren’t there enough average minded Moslems who would ponder about the answers? Or are they in the name of faith became stupid robots who follow blindly the teachings of devious mullahs? I believe any Moslem should be able to check the above assertions, at least to prove me wrong, before they indulge in new violence and hate of the other.
I love how all the muslim responses always start off very bold & confindent but they immediately go down hill from there.Muslims excel at bravado tactics but they don't have the inner strength to withstand any scrutiny & criticisms.
Lying is permitted in Islam , then that explains it.
Mohammed was lying to be God's messenger all the time and his folk believed in his lie
brother omar,
tell me how can god permit to lie ha……..
lying cannot be base of a religion….
our religion says "satyameva jayate"
it means truth only triumphs….. only truth…..
@satyameva jayate
Pisslam says: LYING and DECEIVING ONLY thiumphs!
This is an article where muslim user like islamdevotee goes into hiding in their cave…as all can see the weird reasoning of mo's followers.
just like the false god of islam who needs to lie because it doesnt know the future, past and present,
at least this muslim knows that his fake god called allah is the best of deceivers.
Counter culture? Few Pak youths giving up Islam
PTI, Sep 6, 2010, 04.43am IST
ISLAMABAD: A handful of Pakistani Muslim youths are beginning to question the existence of God and in the process giving up Islam to become atheists.
Still a small number, the trend seems to be telling of pressures that the image of militant Islam has had on them. A Facebook group has been floated for Pakistan's agnostics and atheists by Hazrat NaKhuda, a former Pakistani Muslim.
At last count, the group had over a 100 members. In a thread started on the discussion board on "How did you become an atheist", Hazrat writes, "I used to be a practicing Muslim. I used to live in Saudi Arabia. I have done two Hajs and countless Umrahs. Used to pray five times a day. When I turned 17-18, I realized that the only reason I was a Muslim was because my parents were Muslims".
Hazrat is a young computer programmer from Lahore. Ahmed Zaidi (name changed), another member, posted on the discussion board: "I'm an agnostic simply because I see little or no evidence for the existence of God. Some time ago I decided that I'd never believe anything unless it has a firm basis in reason and as far as I know (and I admit I know very little and there's much to be learnt), there's little or no evidence for the existence of God."
The group, open strictly to members, has young Pakistani students studying in New York University to Oxford University to the prestigious Lahore University of Management Sciences as members.
Nawab Zia (name changed) wrote that the moot question is not "how did you become an atheist" but "how did you become a believer". Every child is born free and pure" Ali Rana (name changed), who loved Islamic preacher Zakir Nair and hated author Salman Rushdie, has had a change of heart too. He now thinks Nair is an "idiot" and Rushdie a genius. There are other threads on how the members "wasted" their years as theists.
More serious issues, like whether there should a column marked "no religion" while applying for passports, have also been discussed. "Last time I went to get my passport renewed, I found there is no option called "no religion". Next time I go to make my passport I don't want to put in Islam as my religion," said one member.
What connects members, who range from students to computer professionals to architects, is their urgent need to question religion.
I think the Editor is out of line on this one.
Omar was referring to Intelligent Design.
Most Muslims do not believe in Islam because the like to sleep with little girls, shoot infidels and beat their wives.
Most Muslims believe in Islam because it fulfills certain needs and "answers" certain questions.
Muslims are deluded, but most are not terrorists. They really believe that Muhammad was a nice guy and told them nice things.
As a ex-Muslim and an atheist I do understand how the Americans have the fanatics guns and power and now most Muslims live more under the fear of the mullah than the fear of their deity.
What Omar asked was if we have ever seen a design without a designer.
I would ask him to refer to this deity itself. Omar probably believes his designer to be an amazing entity with no designer.
So I think he probably has answered his question.
The response to religion from atheists should be to aptly reply with finesse. Simply quoting hateful hadith text to Muslims is not going to do the trick.
I could quote the hateful Bible too – but how Jews and Chrisitans actually stone adulterers, blasphemers and apostates? Why don't they? I mean it is in the Bible to kill those who work on the Sabbath!
Ciao!
irreligulous.blogspot.com
Dear irreligulous
You have the symptoms common to those who have no knowledge of christianity then wonder why there is no stonning..etc. Brother, Christians live in the age of grace, forgiveness and mercy. This is why. People who do not know Christianity (mostly Muslims really) follow Muhammad's misunderstandings of Christianity and keep repeating the same errors.
Peace
It is so sad to read these arguments above. We are wasting our time with Islamists who act more like ostriches than rational human beings when it comes to actually looking at that which they "believe in." How do they justify having a brain? How can you actually "believe in" something that you refuse to examine? Oh, wait–I just remembered, in 2006 or so, a great imam (LOL) declared in his holy fatwa, that the world is flat. What happened to you guys over the years? What, you give us a little math and poof, you go brain dead?
oh, one more thing, my islamic brothers, has it occurred to you that we on this website must remain anonymous in order not to be killed for having differing opinions than you people? Your surahs justify killing us because we question your lunatic prophet
@ibn kammuna
I know very much that the old testament does not apply as law to Christians
But that is not the point.
The point is that Christians do believe the book to be true and those horrid stories about god to be true
The fact that it does not apply to christians does not make an iota of a difference.
Christians do believe that god told humans to stone adulterers.
The fact that Christians believe that Jesus over ruled that does not change the fact that there was a time when it was god's law to stone adulterer
Ciao!
Dear irreligulous
Please be informed that God is love but God is also a righteous judge.
Try asking yourself this super simple question. Let's imagine that you are Moses and you are assigned by the Lord God Almighty to be the prime minister to lead not one human being or a group of people but millions of Hebrews out of the land of Egypt to the Promised Land.
Please bear in mind that this great exodus happened more than 4000 years ago. There were no house, bedroom, bathroom, microphone, loudspeaker, amplifier, radio, TV, telephone, handphone, laptop, fax machine, cars, lorries, aeroplane, train, guns or bombs available at that era but only animals, and all kinds of human beings, ranging from infants to old folks.
As the prime minister of this whole nation of Hebrews, may I know without, any modern sanitation, housing facilities, communication systems, weaponries, how are you going to maintain law and order and ensure the safety of innocent follks against those sex maniac eg. Muhammad bin Abdullah, rapists, robbers, murderers, tyrants or evildoers?
So now, I hope that you will to the ultimate realization that wh;y God had to give Moses the 10 commandments and all the Old Testament laws. I'm sure that my dear hero, Dr Ali Sina, will agree with my excellent explanations. God bless.
@irreligulous says: "The fact that Christians believe that Jesus over ruled that does not change the fact that there was a time when it was god’s law to stone adulterer"
So two thousand years ago, we have a prophet that sees that there is a better way to God.. Two thousand years later Christians have progressed slowly with much more to learn about Jesus and the power of His teachings..
Two thousand years later, do we sit by and say nothing while we see women of Islam suffering a hideous death by stoning and say it is ok? Do we sit by and just accept that it is ok?
I agree that most muslims are deluded and in fact I find their passion to God very inspiring.. The challenge for so called Christians is to discover the message that Jesus taught us so that we can reach out to others with the message of Love which saves our lives in this life and gives us heaven here on earth, in preparation for our life everlasting
@Spiritual Student, you must understand the fact that all these brain damaged Muslims and Muslimahs are too dumb to understand the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant. Not only that, they can't see any difference between the society in the 21st century and the society 4000 years ago. In the eyes of all these braindead zombies, all these technological advancement and computer knowledge are a hindrance to their religiosity. That's why, you can find many muslims advocate the implementation of the Shariah laws wherever they go.
Thus, I'm not surprised that the stoning of an adulteress is still practiced in the Middle East because of the fact that their brain is so damaged that they cannot understand or accept the fact that the law of Moses are applicable only to their long gone ancestors' generation and not applicable to this modern generation.
Look at the burqa and hijab issue. Can all the ladies in the world imagine wearing a burqa swimsuit or a hijab in the swimming pool? Not too long ago, I went swimming with my friends at the swimming pool near her house. I was swimming across the pool and I saw two young ladies wearing long black swimsuits which covered their whole body and also, hijab. At first, I thought that there were two black ghosts swimming towards me! I kept staring at them as though they are from outer space! How could they swim with all these stupid clothings and hijab? Don't they know that their apparel are frightening sane human beings like me, out of my life?
The only way to help all these zombies is education. Perhaps, my dear hero, Dr Ali Sina, might consider to educate all the muslimahs here that they should change their code of dressing to match this era. LOL.