Debate with convert Donald Morgan part 4
According to the DSM an NPD sufferer chooses people of high status to be part of their inner circle of friends or companions. They also look at people ‘below’ them as being worthless. The DSM also states that these people are so arrogant, they treat others like dirt. What I would like to do now is illustrate that Muhammad does not fit this profile. To do so I will speak shortly about slavery. Slavery at the time of Muhammad was widely accepted all over the world. Although Muhammad came short of forbidding the practice, he has shown great sympathy to the enslaved and encouraged his followers to free them. Muhammad had set an example himself when he freed a slave called Zayd ibn Harithah. Zayd later became a trusted companion of Muhammad. One early biography relates Muhammad as having said that “he (Zayd b. Harithah) was one of the dearest to me of all men. (Karim D. Crow, “Facing One Qiblah: Legal and Doctrinal Aspects of Sunny and Shi’ah Muslims”, 2005, p. 143, Ibex Publishers, ISBN 9971-77-552-2) The question must be asked here; ‘does this act of compassion fit the profile of one who suffers from NPD? Not only did Muhammad promote freeing slaves, he set one of his own slaves free and referred to that slave as being ‘dearest’ to him (Muhammad). Does this sound like a man who chooses only high profile people to be part of his inner circle? Does this sound like a man who treats others like dirt? The obvious answer is no, so what can we learn from this? Simply put, again, Muhammad does not fit the profile of an NPD sufferer. Also, if we look at another close friend and companion to Muhammad, Billal, we see the same thing. Billal was an African, black slave who was later freed and accepted Islam, joining the prophet. Billal was the first person to perform the call to prayer, a ritual that is still practiced today.
What we can learn from this story is that you did not read my book. You are so confident of the cult that you have embraced that you don’t think anyone who opposes it may have a point. So why bother reading what you already know better? Your brain is at peace brother. That is what we learn from the above story. But that is foolish. You have an eternity to keep your brain in peace. Right now you have to make it work.
Before I tell you about Muhammad’s haughtiness and his disdain for lowly people, let me debunk your claim that he was against slavery.
Muhammad was never against slavery. Zeid was his adopted son. Both Muhammad’s sons, Qasim and Abd al Menaf (named after idol Menaf) died at infancy. An Arab without a son was a man with no honor. As added humiliation he had four daughters. In fact Muhammad thought it is denigrating to have daughters and an insult to attribute daughters to Allah. “What! For you the males and for Him the females! This indeed is an unjust division!” He wrote in the Qur’an, 53:19-22. That is why he adopted Zeid as his son. This was out of expedience and for status and not out of goodness of his heart. Later, when he lusted after Zeid’s wife Zeinab, he made his Allah reveal a verse to annul the institution of adoption and said, I am not the father of any of your men. (Q. 33:40)
The claim that Muhammad was against slavery is preposterous. Muhammad raided town after town and after killing unarmed men took as slaves their children and their wives in such numbers that one day when Aisha broke her oath she manumitted forty of them in expiation. You can imagine how many slaves did she have to manumit forty in one go and how many slaves other wives of Muhammad inherited and how many the rest of marauding Muslims received as their shares of the booty? Tens of thousands of free people were reduced to slavery by Muhammad and his followers. All the slaves brought to America were purchased from Muslim slave makers. Slavery has not ended yet among Muslims and it will be back if Muslims become the majority again. So take your charade that Muhammad “just came short of abolishing slavery” elsewhere. That brute was the biggest slave maker and slave trader of history.
In page 13 of Understanding Muhammad I wrote:
Muhammad was cognizant that his followers were mostly meek and lowly. To boost his prestige he needed someone of stature to embrace his cause. Ibn Ishaq narrates: “Whenever men came together at the fairs, or the apostle heard of anyone of importance coming to Mecca, he went to them with his message.” [Sirat, Ibn Ishaq page. 195] The chroniclers also tell us that Muhammad rejoiced immensely when Abu Bakr and then Omar enlisted in his cause. The conversion of Abu Talib would have elevated his prestige among his uncles and the Quraish, the tribe that resided within Mecca and were custodians of the Ka’ba, giving him the credibility and status he so desperately craved. Instead, the dying man smiled and said he would rather die in the faith of his forefathers. Thus, with his hopes dashed, Muhammad walked out of the room murmuring: “I wanted to pray for him, but Allâh stopped me from doing so.”[Life of Muhammad, Muir Vol 2 p.195]
Islamic societies are dysfunctional, patriarchal, misogynous and dictatorial. Not only are women mistreated, children are often abused, beaten and humiliated. Consequently they grow up scarred, have low self esteem, fancy thoughts of grandiosity and evince symptoms of pathological narcissism.
During my youth I had an Afghani friend who had all these characteristics. One day he told me he wanted to “become a Hitler.” Hitler is a popular figure in Islamic countries. I was annoyed with that stupid remark and after giving him a piece of my mind walked away from him. Fearing to lose my friendship, the next day he came to me and said that the night before he dreamt of the Prophet scolding him and telling him that he should become a “spiritual Hitler”. This ridiculous behavior typifies the pathological thinking of a narcissist. Narcissists are master manipulators. They are always one step ahead of you. There is an interesting chapter in the Quran, called ‘Abasa, (He Frowned) which shows Muhammad had the same pathological mindset.
The very early Muslims were mostly slaves or rebellious youths in their teens with no social standing. Muhammad was aware that in order to be taken seriously he must enlist influential people in his cause. Abu Bakr’s conversion is owed to Khadijah’s influence. As far as he was concerned, if an important woman like Khadijah had accepted Islam, it must be true. Once Abu Bakr converted, it became easier for Umar to convert and so on. In logic this is called argumentum ad or appeal to authority. This is a fallacy that uses admiration of an important person to prove the validity of an assertion. Muslims resort to this fallacy often.
During the early years of his mission, Muhammad was sitting among the dignitaries of Mecca trying to convince them of his claim. One of his followers, a blind poor man named Ibn Umm Maktum, approached him with a question. Muhammad disliked his interruption and frowned. Those sitting around him noticed his contempt. They criticized him for his hypocrisy and double standard. There was no way for Muhammad to get out of this embarrassing situation by making Allâh approve his snobbishness. The next day he claimed to have received a sura in which Allâh rebuked him for ignoring the blind man while trying to impress the rich.
He frowned and turned (his) back, Because there came to him the blind man.
And what would make you know that he would purify himself,
Or become reminded so that the reminder should profit him?
As for him who considers himself free from need (of you),
To him do you address yourself.
And no blame is on you if he would not purify himself
And as to him who comes to you striving hard,
And he fears,
From him will you divert yourself.
Nay! Surely it is an admonishment.
So let him who pleases mind it.
In honored books,
In the hands of scribes. (Q. 80: 1-15)
In these verses Muhammad is taking the blame and even making Allâh admonish him for his condescendence. Nonetheless, as a narcissist that he was even in this sura he ended up blaming his detractors even more. From verse 17 onward, he pours his venomous vituperation on those who disbelieved him.
Although this sura is another indication of Muhammad’s narcissism, Muslims do not see it that way. They have fallen prey to his manipulations hook, line and sinker and think that this sura is evidence of his sincerity. Far from it; this should only be seen as damage control. Muhammad had no other choice but to take the blame. How can you blame one who has already taken it?
Also, the call to Islam Muhammad made attracted what type of people? According to Karen Armstrong, in her book titled ‘Islam’, the early followers of Muhammad were the poor and disenfranchised (with the exception given to Abu Bakr Siddiq and Khadijah). Again, if a person suffering from NPD aspires to have people of high rank or status be part of his inner circle of friends or companions, his message would have appealed to that type of person. Muhammad’s message appealed to the poor, sick and weak amongst the Arabs because it was a message of liberation. This is why a vast majority of those who first accepted Islam were poor, disenfranchised people, not people of wealth, status and power. As a matter of fact, those with wealth, status and power, the Quaraish of Makkah tried to stop Muhammad’s message by any means necessary.
I already refuted the charade that Muhammad was interested in the poor. He was disdainful of them. However, those were the people he could fool, but his eyes were set on prominent people. The ignorant people of Mecca, consisting of slaves and the rebellious youths were the only ones who listened to his asinine message without asking for proof. Intelligent people laughed at him. Things have not changed since then. Even today, it’s the convicts, the prisoners, some fools and some inexperienced youths who convert to Islam. Intellectuals born and raised in Islam are leaving this cult of stupidity in droves.
Now, let’s talk about the message of ‘liberation’. Yes Muhammad told the slaves to escape the services of their masters and to the youths he said they should obey Allah and his messenger and not their own infidel parents.(Q.9:23) Was this a message of liberation or was he an agent provocateur and a disrupter of social order? Had Muhammad not raided so many towns and not enslaved so many people, one could have given him the benefit of doubt that perhaps he was against slavery. But his own actions prove that he was not at all against slavery. He reduced tens of thousands of free people into slaves and enriched himself by trading them. So what liberation are you talking about?
Donald Morgan ns
If one looks to the Quran, as it regards to Muhammad, one would find something unexpected. There are parts in the Quran that correct Muhammad, meaning Muhammad did something and a later revelation came forth that corrected his action. One such example can be found in chapter 9, verse 43. It states the following:
‘May Allah forgive you (O Muhammad) Why did you grant them leave , until those who told the truth were seen by you in clear sight, and you had known the liars’
It is Ali Sina’s contention that the Quran was Muhammad’s own manufacture. So let me play the devil’s advocate here. If I were to agree with Ali Sina about this (and believe me I don’t) and the Quran was Muhammad’s manufacture; if he suffered from NPD would he have written a passage like this? According to the DSM he would not. According to the DSM a person suffering from NPD always craves compliment and praise, as well as being arrogant. This passage from the Quran does not praise or compliment Muhammad, it chastises him for an action he did. If Muhammad suffered from NPD he would not have entered such a passage into the Quran, as it illustrates the fact that he is not always right in his decision making.
Had you read my book you would not have made this comment. I already explained the mind game that narcissists play. We can see plenty of these manipulative games in the Quran. The sura Abbasa, described above is one such example, the other is when Zeid told Muhammad that he will divorce his wife. Muhammad responded, “Keep your wife to yourself, and fear Allâh.” (Q.33:37) Soon after Zeid left, the remembrance of Zeinab’s ruby lips, her soft thighs and her firm breasts awoke Muhammad’s Allâh residing under his tunic who revealed a verse admonishing him for fearing the criticism of the people instead of giving in to his desires.
You did hide in yourself that which Allâh will make manifest, you did fear the people whereas Allâh had a better right that you should fear Him. So when Zaid had accomplished his desire from her (i.e. divorced her), We gave her to you in marriage, so that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of (the marriage of) the wives of their adopted sons when the latter have no desire to keep them. And Allâh’s Command must be fulfilled. (Q.33: 37)
There is also Sura Tahrim, where Muhammad forbids Maiyah the slave girl of Hafsa to himself when the daughter of Omar finds him in bed with that pretty girl. Then again we see Allah admonishing Muhammad telling him:
“O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allâh has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Allâh has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your oaths. And Allâh is your Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.) and He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise. (Q.66:1-5)
I told you about the story of my Afghani friend who said he dreamt the prophet scolding him for wanting to become a Hitler and advised him to become a “spiritual Hitler.” Now if one is stupid enough to believe my Afghani friend, then one is stupid enough to believe in all these admonitions that Muhammad received from Allah. That is the game narcissists platy to fool the gullible into believing that they are honest. Since your brain is resting in peace you happily fall for these tricks.
This is exactly how narcissists manipulate and fool the gullible. Of course narcissists take the blame. When the buffoon O = Zero was asked about his involvement with the criminal Tony Rezko, what did he say? He immediately said, I am going to make mistakes once in a while. By taking the blame he disarmed his critics. Those who do not know narcissism think this is the sign of his honesty because he admits to his errors readily, without realizing that they have been just fooled by him again.
Little knowledge is dangerous. Because most people have little knowledge of narcissism they can be easily fooled by narcissists like Muhammad, Hitler, Mussolini and Obama. Now everyone agrees that Hitler was a narcissist. I have convinced many that Muhammad was also a narcissist and more and more people are beginning to see that Zero is also a narcissist. BTW, Dr. Vaknin was the first to notice Zero is a narcissist. Once the world comes to see that, Vaknin will become a household name. Those who prefer to keep their heads in the sand will have a rude awakening. Some people just don’t wake up until it is too late and the house is on fire.
What you describe above is a classic narcissistic behavior. Muhammad’s whole game was to portray himself as a messenger of Allah. By making people believe in this lie he could do anything and all he had to do was to make his hidden alias override what he had said and done and wash his hands from all blame. How convenient, eh! In fact the best way to make people think Allah and you are not one and they same is to make Allah admonish you, not too harshly, but just enough to fool the gullibe that He is not your own fabrication.
For examole, you can say, I wanted to pray for my uncle, I am grateful for all he did for me, but Allah did not let me do it.
I am a man of my words. I was going to honor the treaty that I signed at Hudaibiyyah, but Allah sent me the Sura Deliverance, delivering me from keeping my words and told me that I should break my covenants with infidles. (Q. 9:1)
I never lie. If I change some of the verses of the Quran, it’s becasue Allah changes his mind and sends me better verses. (Q.2:106) Also sometimes Satan whispers some verses into my ears that I think they are from Allah, but they are Satanic verses. So Allah corrects me.
I told my son Zeid to keep his wife and fear Allah, but Allah scolded me badly for that and ordered me to have sex with my son’s wife. He admonished me and said, oh you nougthy man, were you trying to hide what was in your heart when We wanted it to be manifest? You are not the father of any of these men, but the seal and last prophet, and adoption is abomination.(Q.33:37-40)
I swore by God and promised to my wives not to sleep with Mariyah, the pretty maid of Hafsa again, and I wanted to keep my word, but Allah was very, very angry at me when he heard that, particularly for denying myself what my heart desired, just to please my wives. Allah admonished me and said in the harshest tone that I should fear HIM only and not my wives. (Q.66:1-5) I am a God fearing obedient slave of Allah. How can I say no to Him when He orders me to have sex with my daughter in law or with the slave girl of my wife? He gets sooo angry when I deny pleasure to myself?
I wanted to follow the Quran and limit the number of my wives to four, but Allah told me I can marry any number of women and whomever I like “so there should be no difficulty for me.” As you know “Allah is oft-forgiving and merciful.” But of course, he told me, ”this is only for you [Oh Muhammad] and not for the believers at large.” (33:49-50)
Come on Muslims! You are not stupid. I am sure you feel embarassed of Muhammad. Why do you want to defend him? Believe me the followers of no other faiths have to defend their prophets of perversity all the times like you have to. No one can say these darn things about Jesus, Buddha, Zoroaster, Krishna, or any prophet. It’s only Muslims who have to make all these intellectual acrobatics to defed an indefensible. But that makes you look silly or mayeb even stupid. You don’t owe anything to that crook. He was just an impostor no better than Jim Jones or other men who conned many people.
I am sure you can think rationally. Or is it my wishful thinking? That includes you the deluded self proclaimed “reformists” of Islam as well. You who claim to be against the Sharia and for modernity. What proof do you need to see this man lied and fooled people for his own personal gain and personal lust? What is there in Islam that you want to save and reform? Where shall we draw the line and say beyond this point we will not be fooled? Aren’t you embarassed to call yourselves the followers of an insane man?
Over a billion people follow this pied piper. Some of them call themselves “doctors.” They are university educated and have earned their diplomas. And yet, they are so befogged that they can’t see the man they follow was mentally sick. They go around calling themselves “moderate Muslims.” Hey, these gentlemen are “moderate Muslims,” you know! They are not extremely fool, just moderately fool.
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