debate between SKM and a Harvard Islamist
fanatic Islamist wrote a very lengthy jargonized response to my essay. He
did not rebut a word I wrote, rather he used vitriolic slurs to threaten
me and tried to prove Quranic divinity with full of unadulterated
gibberish and nonsensical miracles of Quranic numbers. For convenience of
the readers I have shortened his very lengthy letter. Please read his
letter and my subsequent response below.]
Mr. Ashiq Zubair
(Harvard Islamist) writes:
November 15, 2004
have published a superb site (www.homa.org) and I really want to show my appreciation,
so can you flippin give your home address please.
like you should be buried at birth or stoned to death. Who said you
have the rights to search for contradictions in the Holy Qu'ran. I can
swear on Allah that this Holy Book is the one and only way to GOD. While
you were idiotically looking for flaws, why did you not search for
miracles and perfection. Believe you me, everything you said was a
whole load of rubbish and in that process you only lost your faith and
your only chance to escape hell fire.
Can I tell you
something, you are being so petty as you cannot even understand symbolic
and ambiguous remarks. Use your brain, If Allah made everything so obvious
in the Quran and make explicit statements, how the hell can he insert
all the miracles and wonders of the Quran. Simply, God has given us the
Knowledge and Understanding and as vice-gerents we can decide to use this
for good or bad, as we have free will, so the only way a true follower
will gain Takwah (belief) is through exploring the hidden implications in
the Qu'ran. And I feel like crying to realise the state of this present
day, where people who should be promoting the glorious religion are
laughing and joking humourously about the The Big BOSS (Malick, Allah). It
is no surprise though because it is predicted in the Quran that towards
the End of the World people will laugh at the one to be worshipped.
All your stupid
assumptions are merely mirroring your uniform hatred towards our one true
religion. First of all,
have made the Qur'an easy to rememberâ€¦" (Qur'an, 54:22)
only suggests the Quran's inimitability in that even a six year old can
memorise the Holy Qu'ran without a single mistake. So, how many people do
you know, know the whole Bible by heart, or the whole Torah by heart. This
allows these holy scriptures to be hidden from the world without notice as
no one can rewrite another one from memory. But if this was to happen to a
Quran, how many thousands can rewrite the Quran, and how can you make
changes without being noticed? So, I have to say that the Quran itself is
only said to be easy to memorise, but the archaic language itself is much
harder to interpret. So, don't you think in the process of defining the
Quran, that people make mistakes, after all they are only humans and not
God. So, it is these mistakes that you take to granted and ignorantly
criticise The Creator.
you take the Earth and the Heavens, they are symbolic to each other as for
the humans living now, Earth is of equivalence to Heaven, so it is the
same principal that is taken in the Quran to say that
it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We
Who are steadily expanding it. "(Qur'an, 51:47)
this is implicitly suggesting the expansion of the Universe. People like
you only look at explicit meanings, just imagine if God said "we are
steadily expanding the Universe", then don't you think people 1400
years ago would have had the knowledge and what will become of us then,
there will simply be an imbalance, so God knew that by keeping it
implicit, only modernised era would be able to identify the subtlety.
I clearly did not know you were a person of the Past.
another example, one of the properties of seas that has only recently been
discovered is related in a verse of the Qur'an as follows:
has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between
them they do not break through. (Qur'an, 55:19-20)
a physicist from
, I luckily have the knowledge to understand that this property of the
seas, that is, that they meet and yet do not intermix, has only very
recently been discovered by oceanographers. Because of the physical force
called "surface tension," the waters of neighbouring seas do not
mix. Caused by the difference in the density of their waters, surface
tension prevents them from mingling with one another, just as if a thin
wall were between them.
interesting that, during a period when there was little knowledge of
physics, and of surface tension, or oceanography, this truth was revealed
in the Qur'an.
many more miracles which I will send you that some of my University
research Students found out. And here is another peace of miracle, upto 11
scientists who graduated from my Uni, have converted to Islam due to the
miracles that they uncovered.
19 is numerologically encoded in verses. This number is stressed in the
words of the Qur'an: "There are nineteen in charge of it."
(Qur'an, 74:30), and is encoded in various places in the Book. Some
examples of this can be listed as follows:
consists of 19 letters.
consists of 114 (19 x 6) Suras.
(19x3) Letter Qaf
The total of the
first 19 figures in the Pascal triangle is 38 (19 x 2).
Pascalâ€™s triangle is an arithmetical one used in algebra
and probability calculations.
of the first 19 numbers in the Pascal triangle is 57 (19 x 3).
of the first 19 figures is a multiple of 19.
of the first 19 numbers is a multiple of 19.
The connection between the number 19 and the Pascal triangle with
regard to the revelation sequence of the Qur'anic verses
REPETITIONS IN THE QUR'AN
the miraculous characteristics of the Qur'an which we have looked into so
far, it also contains what we can term "mathematical miracles."
There are many examples of this fascinating Qur'anic aspect. One example
of this is the number of repetitions of certain words in the Qur'an. Some
related words are surprisingly repeated the same number of times. Below is
a list of such words and the number of repetitions in the Qur'an.
: the sum
of the number of references to the stages of man's creation is the same:
Sperm (nutfah) 12
formed lump of flesh (mudghah) 3
Also, the best one is
CALCULATIONS (ABJAD) IN THE QUR'AN
you know, every letter in the Arabic alphabet has a numerical (gematrical)
value according to many line through researches. In other words, in Arabic
every letter stands for a number. A number of calculations can be made
from this basis. These are referred to as numerological (abjad)
calculations or "hisab al-jumal." Muslims who took advantage of
the fact that every letter of the alphabet represents a number have used
this in a number of fields. Ilm'ul Jafr is one of these.
is the science of foretelling what is likely to happen in the future. One
of the methods employed by people who engage in this is to compare
symbolic forms and letters' numerological values. The main difference
methods is that the former refers to what has already taken place and the
latter to what is likely to take place in the future.
method of calculation is a form of writing which goes back several
centuries and which was widely used before the revelation of the Qur'an.
Everything which happened in Arab history was written down by attributing
numerical values to letters thus the date of every event was recorded.
These dates were obtained by adding up the particular numerical values of
every letter employed.
certain verses of the Qur'an are examined in the light of the "abjad"
method, we see that a number of dates emerge which are fully in accordance
with the meanings of those verses. When we see that things referred to in
these verses actually happened on the dates obtained by this method, we
understand that there is a secret indication regarding those events in the
verses. (Allah knows best.)
The 1969 Moon
Landing is Indicated in the Qur'an
The Hour has drawn near and the moon has split. (Qur'an,
The Arabic word "inshaqqa"
(split) used in the above verse is derived from
the word "shaqqa," which can also be used to
mean "causing something to rise, ploughing or digging the soil":
As we can see, the word "shaqqa"
in the above verse is not being used in the sense of "dividing into
two" but of "slicing through the soil, reaping various
crops." When evaluated in this sense, the meaning of the word "shaqqa"
in the expression "the
moon has split" (Qur'an, 54:1) can also be seen to be
referring to the 1969 moon landing and the studies performed on the moon
land. (Allah knows best.) In fact, there is another very important
indication here: Some of the "abjad"
values of certain words in this verse in
al-Qamar also point to the figure 1969.
important point which needs to be stressed in this method of calculation
is the likelihood of producing very large or irrelevant numbers. Despite
the probability of a relevant number emerging being exceedingly small, it
is striking that such a clear figure should result.
Hour [has drawn near] and the moon has split.
1390, Gregorian: 1969
American astronauts carried out research on the Moon, dug the soil up with
various pieces of equipment, split it and carried specimens back to Earth.
however, make it clear that the splitting of the Moon is of course one of
the miracles given to our Prophet (saas) by Allah. This miracle is
revealed thus in a hadith:
asked Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle. So he showed them the moon
split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram' mountain. (Sahih
miracle is the splitting of the Moon revealed in the verse. However, since
the Qur'an is a Book that addresses all times, one may think of this verse
as referring to the exploration of the Moon in our own day. (Allah knows
So how did
Allah know that Neil Armstrong was going to land on the Moon in 1969.
Please dont raise the issue of coincidence, or explicitness. Simply, even
coincidences has a value and Quran has far too many miracles that you
cannot ever say that they are coincidences.
according a critical Thinker, James Cracknell (UK), another
miracle which is far too good to be true was discovered. You clearly know the 9/11 incident and
according to the Quran, on the 9th Chapter, 11th Verse it
we sent our punishment during the day, the townspeople were
unnoticeably playing" (Surah 7, 98) (chapter 9, 11)
And the definition
of the surah title "Al- Araf" is THE HEIGHTS or WALL OF
analyse this in a enhanced way, you can conclude that while a serious
punishment was sent during daytime (3:00 pm), people in the twin towers
were gambling and exchanging trades and shares ( a form of game :
enough for you to be convinced, please the Quran has no errors as it is
the word of God, and it is just us humans who are full of errors. Our mind
is a contraversial feature that is far too complex and it secludes us into
many tricks and treasuries. It is a law of Pete Norfolk that "
Whatever a human mind conceils and believes, it can achieve." So if
finding flaws is what you want from the Quran, then you will always find
flaws. Same way if you want to find miracles you will always find
miracles. But clearly the miracles can easily outnumber the false
brother please be kind to my religion and do not wihtout full evidence
make criticisms about my religion.
Sorry if i
had said anything harsh, which is a lot, it was just that I was too
stunned at your humour.
again, if I have made mistakes in these statements then Allah knows best.
“Insolent ignorants like you should be buried at birth or stoned to
death. Who said you have the rights to search for contradictions in
the Holy Qu'ran. I can swear on Allah that this Holy Book is the one and
only way to GOD. While you were idiotically looking for flaws,
why did you not search for miracles and perfection. Believe you me,
everything you said was a whole load of rubbish and in that process
you only lost your faith and your only chance to escape hell fire. “
above threat to kill somebody you even do not know tells me that you are
an al-Qaeda terrorist living in the
in disguise of a foreign student. The belief system of Quran existing in
you matches the belief system of al-Qaeda terrorists. Only a true Islamic
terrorist can have such blind belief in the Quran—a man made book having
unlimited errors and contradictions in science, history, ethics, laws,
philosophy, etc. In the post 9/11 period—
can not have the pleasure of keeping such killer terrorist like you
in the soil of
. Therefore, I have immediately given your name,
email address and Harvard address to FBI and other
intelligence. You are under very high powered microscope now. Hopefully,
your days of sending threatening messages will be over soon.
saying that Quran said about 9/11 you are admitting and supporting
9/11’s horrendous terrorism. Therefore you should be arrested as soon as
foretold human landing in the moon is utter nonsense and your wishful
dream only. Could you tell me why Allah has chosen some kaffirs to land in
the Moon? Why could not He give Muslims (some mullahs) that opportunity to
land in the Moon?
did not mention one single comment of mine which is wrong or how it was
wrong. How could you make such a nonsensical comments about my write ups?
If you call somebody mad you must give reasons why you are calling him
mad, isn’t it? I
urge you to give me just one thing that I committed an error.
ludicrous explanations of “Quranic number games” to prove Quranic
miracles are utter nonsense and mere expression of islamists’
desperately idiotic quest only to fool people. These number games in Quran
are pure and unadulterated hogwash. These are your voodoo miracles.
Only some retarded brains can wishfully discover this nonsense and if you
want, you can discover such nonsense from any ordinary book. Your quest to
prove voodoo miracles in Koran can be compared with this parable I am
going to narrate below for you:
day a gullible man asked one drunk man about the shape of the earth, shape
of the universe, and creation of our universe! The
drunken man remained silent but he suddenly took his bottle of whisky out
of his pocket and drank all of it. Then he dropped the empty bottle over
the street which was rolling down hill to the slippery ground down to the
corner of the street. Then the drunken man shouted at the man very loudly
are the findings:
The drunken man’s emptied bottle indicated the universe originated from
the space, rolling bottle indicated earth is round and everything in the
universe are rolling continuously, shouting indicated the big-bang theory,
bottle ended in the corner indicated doomsday. Do
you see how much miracle one can extract from this behavior of a drunken
mad man? Your finding of miracles in Koran is sillier than this parable.
I sent your “number games” to some of my friends—this is what one of
that the Quran is full of 19, can we ask this Harvard Professor how this
number help mankind or does any good to humanity? How is this
number going to change the conduct of the Muslims? How is this number going
to impact the world? Is this number going to increase Muslims' worth and
have intentionally distorted Quranic verses (51:47 and 54:1) only to suit
your ludicrous claim. For this
Quranic distortion only, some Mullahs may tempt to kill you by stoning.
Here are the English translations of these two verses by Maulana Yusuf
power and skill did we construct the firmament for it is We Who create the
vastness of space.”
did you find here “We are steadily expanding”? Verse is saying about
vastness of the space. This vastness of space is seen by bare eyes and
even a cave man can say that space is a vast open area. Does it take a
divine God to tell this?
hour (of judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.”
told you split means to cultivate or digging soil? Are you out of your
mind? Is that what
has taught you?
or asunder means to separate or divide some object end to end into two
different parts. Allah
will burn you in the hell fire for this clear distortion of Quran.
excuse of so called allegory is simply nonsense. Please tell me here which
one is allegory and why? Here you go:
2:193- Fight them on until there is no more
tumult and religion becomes that of Allah
2:256- “There is no compulsion
8:12- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite
ye above their necks and smite
all their finger-tips off them
9:5 reads: "Slay the
idolaters wherever you find them"
Zubair could you tell us which one is allegory and which one is
not allegory among the above a few verses? Give reasons why you call
love to play number games? Okay,
here are some mathematical errors in the Quran.
and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is
leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will
receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for
the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife
[4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example:
A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive
1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176],
which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.
these verses above one can see the total property after adding all
distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals
become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come? A gross
mathematical errors, is'nt it?
Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years (?):
Verily a day in the sight of the Lord is like a
thousand years of your reckoning.
To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be
a thousands years of your rekoning
The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years. So, which one is it ? Is the day of Allah equal to
1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?
(1) Man is Created From Clotted blood?
Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT
OF CONGEALED BLOOD
then fashioned We the clot a little lump (fetus),
fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with
flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the
Best of Creators.
translations of the Quran read: “Jamaa’t Raokto thaykay
Manoosh baniecchi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again
throughout the Quran)
Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned…
Quran-96:2: Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood
are serious scientific problems here:
blood clot can not grow into anything. This idea came from the Greeks.
Aristotle erroneously believed that humans are originated from the action
of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an
incorrect assumption. The Quran’s
assertion on the clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human
development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo
consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear
like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case the clotted blood which
is seen to emerge (much of which comes from the mother) is solidified and
by definition no longer alive. Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to
look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it
would be a dead mass of bloody miscarriage. Since Prophet Muhammad
had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he would be very
familiar with miscarriages.
science tells us that the formation of human embryo is a seamless
continuation from conception to the birth; hence there are no
hard-and-fast boundaries of stages as the Quran described. The
Quran described 4 stages which match exactly with Galenic
description of the development of the human embryo (which was proved wrong
by modern science).
of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern
embryologists including Prof. Moore of
, the tissue from which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the
same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and
muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the
Quran tells us). Moreover, most of the muscle tissue that we human have is
laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify
(strengthened with calcium) right into one’s teenage years.
So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to
develop at the same time as bones, but completed their development
earlier. The idea that bones are
clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but
was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis.
The link is relevant, I suggest you to go through the text if you have the
the idea of saying: “made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle” came from
the technique of making animal statues out of rod and cement or mud.
People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then
cover it up with cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description
of embryonic development. It is rather a description of a layman. Please
tell me how could a creator do this mistake?
Let me ask you some valid questions:
Why Muslims always need some certifications from some western infidels
about Prophet Muhammad?
What is the definition of “Merciful and Compassionate”? Please
tell me why you call Allah and Muhammad Merciful and Compassionate? How
come any killer could be called Merciful or compassionate? Do you know
that Prophet Muhammad killed human being himself and he got many of his
enemies assassinated secretly?
Please tell me who is actually Allah? Is not the pagan God Habul is
actually called Allah? Why did Muhammad take pagan God Habul and called
him Allah the creator? Please give
me at least one strong/incontrovertible/valid point why people should
consider Allah as the creator of this universe!
Could you please give me some proofs that that Pagan God Allah is the real
Finally, please tell me if you think that any divine God will ever ask
human to kill another human?
Will your elder brother or your own father tell you to kill some people?
Was the God of Muhammad weaker than your father who is mere human?
You are claiming that you are physicist from
. Could you tell me what physics did you learn from your Quran?
was written by man, everything in Quran was copied from other religions
and some great Arab poets helped him formulate this ridiculous Kitab
called Quran. People like you are just stupid to believe it as the divine
book, even though you can not show me even one single verse which could be
taken as divine. Quran was copied from the poetry of famous Arab poet
named Zyad and other Arab poets. Thanks.
December 21 2004
know let me tell you something, you make me laugh from head to toes,
thinking I am a terrorist!! Thats a good one bro. You are smart arent you.
Let me tell you something, you are even more guiltier for disgracing a
religion, so whos in trouble.
also, the only reason why you disagree with the Quran is cos, it is stated
in the Quran that If you examine Islam, you will come to conclusion that
it is a false religion.
don't we agree to something, you can keep your beliefs to yourself, and I
will keep my beliefs to myself. That is a moral thing to do.
I am really sorry if I sad anything wrong, the only reason I said things
earlier on was cos I am a really religious 12 year old, and it really
pissed me off to see people cus my religion thats y I disguised as an
adult, so you will hear my message.
if you want to believe that I AM A TERRORIST thats you. You can go tell
all the agencies but in the end it will be you who is in trouble, cos you
cant use a mere email message to suspect some1.
a GOOD CHRISTMAS, since you didnt have an EID MUBARAK.
not make me laugh!!!!
you even know where I live, besides I am a flippin 12 year old who is
. Do you really want to be behind bars for giving false evidence, you
idiot. When they discover my true identity, they will arrest you not me.
crack me up. Bye!!!!
called Harvard Professor was a fake and deceitful individual who is
obviously a pathological liar. He never replied me any further.]