Nadir Ahmed Debates Members of the FFI Forum - Part 08

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trubluearthling

Joined: 31 Dec 2003
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Location: New Kafirland

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:18 pm Post subject:

Good to see adnan here. Where is bush badee? He was last seen bickering with adnan in Garbage Can. Can somebody invite him here right into the thick of action. Anyone seen CroMagnon lately? He is wanted here too. _________________ An ex-muslim since 1989. Now an avowed atheist and humanist.

Ali Sina

Joined: 15 Feb 2002
Posts: 2249

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:58 pm Post subject:

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Normally I wouldn't dare posting from PM's but since we have a fraud on our hands that actually misused my quotes to make them say the opposite of their intented meaning I thought it prudent to let you all know

Private messages are private only when they talk about private things. I do receive such messages and you never see them. However, Nadir’s message to you was about Islam and not private in nature.

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he is also a liar when he tries to pass my comments off as supportive for his 'chance' argument.

I would not say Mr. Ahmed is an honest person. But in this case he did not pass your comments as to buttress his own due to dishonesty. Mr. Ahmed obviously has problem with comprehension, otherwise your message was very clear.
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l l

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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 6:18 pm Post subject:

trubluearthling wrote:

Good to see adnan here. Where is bush badee? He was last seen bickering with adnan in Garbage Can. Can somebody invite him here right into the thick of action. Anyone seen CroMagnon lately? He is wanted here too.

Maybe I can get busbadee back.

Our friend bushy says he is 72 years young, and jumps on his young spring-chiken at each opportunity and has a 12 year old son.

So he is busy needs rest and is therefore excused for taking time off frequently.

best regards

bread

Joined: 26 Jul 2003
Posts: 1981
Location: Eurasia

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 6:34 pm Post subject:

Dear 11, that was not nice. It doesnt belong here and it is offtopic anyway. As for the ``debate`` carried on with Mr. Nadir, is it over? If it is still ongoing, I would like to take part in it. Espectially about his claims regarding iron. If Im not mistaken, he lciamed that to produce just one atom of irn, it would take 4 times the energy contained in our solar ssystem?? If I misread it, please correct me. If that was correctly quoted, then could Mr. Nadir provide some proof for this claim? I would be very interested to find out about it. _________________ Bread, proudly a former Muslim who saw the light.Islam is the only personality cult dedicated to a dead man, MuhamMAD. MuhamMAD is the only paedophile, antisemite, ethnic cleanser and rapist who is worshipped and praised for ``moral``behaviour.

yeezevee

Joined: 20 May 2002
Posts: 2648

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:44 pm Post subject:

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Bread: ...If it is still ongoing, I would like to take part in it. Espectially about his claims regarding iron.

If Im not mistaken, he lciamed that to produce just one atom of irn, it would take 4 times the energy contained in our solar ssystem??

If I misread it, please correct me. If that was correctly quoted, then could Mr. Nadir provide some proof for this claim? I would be very interested to find out about it.

Hi Bread, It doesn't matter whether the debate is going or not…. most of you Physicists should clean out the garbage from the minds of High School dropouts, …such as Iron from Allaha to PUBH to human race.... you cannot see your hand 1000 meter down the ocean and it is Noble Prize winning discovery from Q'uran that too it came to Mohammad.. These things we should have in resource center as comment/Article for High school drop outs yet experts in Allaha sent Q'uranic Science.. It is really surprising some one with the background such as Nadir describing these commonsense observations as Advanced Science ...

with best
yeeezevee

l l

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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 10:54 pm Post subject:

bread wrote:

Dear 11, that was not nice. It doesnt belong here and it is offtopic anyway.

If I misread it, please correct me.:

That was not intended as an insult. NO. Someone wished buhbadee was around and I vlunteered to help bring back.

I repeated what bushbadee had said to to describbe himself in one of his posts. I just replaced a "young wife" for "spring-chicken". All other stuff were from busbadee's post.

I had a great uncle (he is dead now may God rest him in peace. I apologize if non believers get offended) who had married a very young wife when he was in his early seventies. He had five children from that wife in rapid succession. We used to joke with him about it. He enjoyed the humor, was very witty and always managed to turn the jokes on us.

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If that was correctly quoted, then could Mr. Nadir provide some proof for this claim? I would be very interested to find out about it. :wink:
bread,

I lost you here.
I have not followed Mr. Nadir's debate here so I realy do not know what you are referring to.

I just stumbled on following post in this thread and responded the way I responded

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trubluearthling wrote:
Good to see adnan here. Where is bush badee? He was last seen bickering with adnan in Garbage Can. Can somebody invite him here right into the thick of action. Anyone seen CroMagnon lately? He is wanted here too.

best regards

Nadir_ahmed

Joined: 03 Jan 2004
Posts: 8

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:31 am Post subject:

http://examinethetruth.com/Challenge_Sina.htm more to come... I can kinda figure, that Ali Sina will never post this debate the debate folder.... but thats ok, this will be available on my website, not lost in some discussion forum... Robert Morey said, Its always the winning side which will post the debate

love

Joined: 17 Oct 2003
Posts: 21

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:01 am Post subject: not fair

i think this is not fair .Mr Nadir Ahmed should have posted Ali Sina's second response on his website like he did with the first response. he could have atleast given link to ali sina's second response.

jonny2mad

Joined: 07 Aug 2002
Posts: 159

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:02 am Post subject:

as a non muslim whether mohammed burned books or not isnt to me a big deal what Id like to see is someone disprove the main points this site makes about mohammed Ive been posting here for over a year I think, and no one has so far and then when I asked the sort of questions this site brings up on islamic sites they banned me which was a shock the science and koran debate seems pretty secondary to me really but good luck with it

Piggy

Joined: 21 Jul 2003
Posts: 1115

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:06 am Post subject:

Nadir_ahmed wrote:

more to come...

I can kinda figure, that Ali Sina will never post this debate the debate folder.... but thats ok, this will be available on my website, not lost in some discussion forum...
Robert Morey said, Its always the winning side which will post the debate Cool

There are probably lots of things you can 'kinda figure', keep at it, one day you might figure it out.

It won't be lost here Nadir, rest assured it will stand monumental, as a testimony of the pure idiocy of islamist, misplaced duty and loyalty to probably the greatest hoax ever in the history of humanity.

Looks like Robert Morey's "always" theory is down the gurgler, the more you say the deeper you go Nadir, and it will make for some interesting reading the debate folder, if it eventually is worthy, so far your low-level nonesense has only made "garbage can" status.

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"I am trying not to be a jerk"....that's OK, I know you can't help it, it seems to just come naturally for you. Laughing

Relax and be a jerk, it's funny.

You don't moon-light as a clown by any chance?
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Misnomer

Joined: 19 Nov 2003
Posts: 51

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:21 pm Post subject:

Nadir_ahmed wrote:

CAUGHT RED HANDED:

Ali Sina caught in a atrocious LIE.

www.ExamineTheTruth.com

ExamineTheTruth.com decided to call Ali Sina’s bluff, and take him on regarding his challenge:

"I invite you to disprove my accusations of Muhammad and Islam. If you can show that what I say is unfounded I promise to remove this site not before confessing that I was wrong and Islam is a true religion." - Ali Sina
http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates.htm

Ali Sina stated the following in our online debate :

"Muhammad and his followers destroyed all the books that belonged to the pre Islamic era of "jahiliyyah". If no other book prior to Muhammad mentions this city it is because Muhammad burned those books."

My response:

What the..... this is a complete LIE !!!!!!! Now, Ali Sina, by the grace of God, you have been exposed as a liar just like Robert Morey:

http://www.examinethetruth.com/morey_challenge.htm

I am challenging you.... to show your evidence for this statement which you have made, if you can not, then this will expose you as a liar once and for all.

rather, we have several examples of PRE ISLAMIC POETRY:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/poetry.html

http://www.georgetown.edu/departments/arabic/bonnah.htm

Ali Sina responded:

"The history reports the burning of the libraries in virtually all the countries that Muslims invaded. The most famous one of then was the huge library of Alexandria."

My response:

Prophet Muhammed(P) DID NOT burn this library down, NOR did he ever teach to burn libraries! You know that very well Ali Sina. Do not try to divert our attention to irrelevant information. Furthermore, this library existed in Egypt, not Arabia! What library was burned in Arabia? You specifically accused the Prophet of Islam, Prophet Muhammed(P), and you claimed ALL THE LIBRARIES.

"According to Taha Hussain Muslims destroyed all pre Islamic books and then fabricated poetries and words to justify the errors of the grammar of the Quran."

Quite frankly, Taha Hussain …..and Paul Newton can kiss my brown #$@.

Furthermore, these clowns never claimed that Prophet Muhammed(P) destroyed pre Islamic books. Dear God, you lied on Taha Hussain also???? Is there any end to your distortions??

"Mr. Ahmed asks me to remove my website if I can’t prove what I say is true. I have proven everything I say about Muhammad and the Quran is true"

You have proved NOTHING. You have not shown us that PROPHET MUHAMMED(P) WAS INVOLVED IN BOOK BURNINGS, AND DESTROYED ALL BOOKS IN ARABIA AS YOU FALSLY ACCUSED HIM OF. NOR HAVE YOU SHOWN US ANY TEACHING FROM ISLAM WHICH TELLS MUSLIMS TO BURN PRE ISLAMIC BOOKS. All you have done, is shown everyone who reads this post that you are a worse liar than our original prognoses. Not only that, but you do not hesitate to twist facts and read into texts WHAT IS NOT THERE. Folks, Remember what I have said about this foul man and his lying and misrepresentation…… it is his Nature.

And this is why we at ExamineTheTruth.com knew that our original challenge to Ali Sina was a "sure thing",it was not a gamble at all on our part, because, believe me, just like Dr. Robert Morey, we know people like Ali Sina better than they know themselves, and it was going to be only a matter of time…………… till we catch them.

Pathetic. It won't make the debate folder because all Nadir can muster is melodrama.

Dr. Sina said:

Ali Sina wrote:

Muhammad and his followers...

Nadir said:

Nadir_ahmed wrote:

this is a complete LIE !

Nadir apparently has trouble on how to define a lie. He provided two links to alleged pre-Islamic poetry, which everyone here including Ali has told him there is no poetry to be found at those links. He again then posted those links in reply. It seems Nadir is the one who is stretching the truth.

Dr Sina said:

Ali Sina wrote:

The history reports the burning of the libraries in virtually all the countries that Muslims invaded. The most famous one of then was the huge library of Alexandria.

Then Nadir replied:

Nadir_ahmed wrote:

Prophet Muhammed(P) DID NOT burn this library down, NOR did he ever teach to burn libraries! You know that very well Ali Sina. Do not try to divert our attention to irrelevant information. Furthermore, this library existed in Egypt, not Arabia! What library was burned in Arabia? You specifically accused the Prophet of Islam, Prophet Muhammed(P), and you claimed ALL THE LIBRARIES.

Not only is Nadir lying that Ali said Muhammad burned down the library in Cairo but Nadir should know that no one has accused Muhammad personally of invading other countries.

Nadir has ignored all responses to a debate which he feels he must be losing and trumps up a false charge of lying against Ali in hopes of diverting the readers attention. Nadir has intentionally ignored the phrase "and his followers" in hopes to win an emotional argument.

Nadir must not have a complete grasp of the usage of the English language, as evident from his use of conversational style tone and reliance on emoticons. The term "Muhammad and his followers" is appropriate. Much as the term "Saddam and his regime" is used and the group held responsible for all atrocities commited in the name of their own idealogy. Saddam and his regime are responsible for all the mass murders, rapes, tortures, false-imprisonments, and unprovoked wars they have commited. Just as Muhammad and his followers are responsible for all deaths, pillaging, and the plague we now suffer known as Islam commited in the name of their own idealogy, Allah.

edit: All please take notice how Dr Sina was correct in the mentality that the muslim apologist would bring to the table and also Nadir has completely abandoned attempting to win this debate via intellectually overcoming the opposing arguements. Are the readers all now to doubt Nadir's intention of proving the Quran is the word of Allah through scientific proofs?
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yeezevee

Joined: 20 May 2002
Posts: 2648

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:27 pm Post subject:

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Nadir Ahmed: http://examinethetruth.com/Challenge_Sina.htm

more to come...

I can kinda figure, that Ali Sina will never post this debate the debate folder.... but thats ok....
Robert Morey said, Its always the winning side which will post the debate

what debate dear nadir?.. nevertheless it deserves to be posted in FFI.. the suitable place for that is here
http://www.faithfreedom.org/comments/MComments.htm

We will read your stuff.. but do yourself a favor, as an educated fellow human being I would expect you to take out the comments at your web site..

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"I try to interprete Islam in a language that nigger Muslims understand.

As far as I am concerned all Muslims are lowest of the breed."

By the way, what type of MUSLIM are you?

yeezevee

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Mullah Mo

Joined: 24 Jun 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject:

Nadir_ahmed wrote:

http://examinethetruth.com/Challenge_Sina.htm

more to come...

I can kinda figure, that Ali Sina will never post this debate the debate folder.... but thats ok, this will be available on my website, not lost in some discussion forum...

Robert Morey said, Its always the winning side which will post the debate Cool

We should post this invertebrate “Nadir Ahmed” on the main page. Call the debate “Islam’s Effect On Human Mind”. But it is questionable that this guy possesses a “HUMAN MIND”.

Hey Nadir, are you Somali, Sudanese, or Yemeni?? You look like one of those “Dark Arabs” if I’m not mistaking.

Mr. Nadir Ahmed, you are an “obnoxious and unreasonable” character. Just like your fake Prophet Mohammed.
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trubluearthling

Joined: 31 Dec 2003
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Location: New Kafirland

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:36 pm Post subject:

Nadir WTF mate. Can you explain where Ali Sina was caught red handed in an atrocious lie? That glaring heading of that page in your website shows your desperation to get attention. Do you also crave attention and recognition like your hero and mentor prophet Muhammad(peas-be-upon-him)? Of course you may need to sensationalise things if your readreship figure is appalling. But don't resort to these cheap tactics Mr Nadir. I listened to your debate with Denis Giron. Are you soo determined to make a fool of yourself? The Quran is replete with verses that serve no purpose other than to coerce gullible people into submitting to Muhammad's(pbuh) will. And you call that book a book of knowledge and scientific miracles! Muhammad(pbuh) would not have imagined that Islam would ever grow the way it has. Does that explain to you why he never bothered to put his work together and compile the Quran as a collection? It was made into a book form only after his death. Muhammad(pbuh) could not have cared less about the fate of humanity after his death. Interesting to note that you studied comparative religion for 8 long years and your conviction in Islam being the true religion from Allah has only strengthened. Now that, you can call a miracle! Medical science is advancing rapidly brother Nadir. Pray that Inshallah in your own lifetime science comes up with a pill which benefits intellectually stunted people like yourself. Jokes apart Mr Nadir, 1.2 billion people across the globe are in dire need of such a drug and it is needed in more urgency than a cure for the AIDS causing virus. _________________ An ex-muslim since 1989. Now an avowed atheist and humanist.