Edip Yuksel vs. Ali Sina
Round VI -19
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There are more verses that prescribe gruesome acts of violence and
torture against those who reject Islam and like me oppose it.
I will instill terror into the hearts of the
unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips
O ye who believe! when ye meet the
Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do
turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war,
or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of
Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!
It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah:
when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s:
in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from
Against them make ready your strength to the
utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the
hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides,
whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in
the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated
O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight.
If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will
vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the
Let us make it clear that Muslims were never under attack. These wars
that Muhammad is mentioning were offensive wars initiated by Muhammad
himself. In fact war is a misnomer; they were raids. They are known
as Qazwah, which does not mean war but raid, ambush or sudden attack.
Muhammad hardly ever announced his plans to attack his victims. He took
them by surprise when they were out attending their
farms, looking after their herds or taking care of their daily business,
were unarmed and unprepared. This is how a tiny army of heavily armed
Muslims was able to slaughter a huge population of unprepared and
unorganized civilians. At first even his followers were taken by throes of
conscience. But soon they were reassured, first by divine confirmation
revealed to Muhammad and then by the booty and women that they captured.
Thus their conscience was put to rest by the greed of the booty and the
rewards of the next world.
The Suran 8, from which the above verses are taken is called Al-Aanfal
(spoils of war,
booty) and it was written in conjunction with the Battle of Badr. This
battle was a raid staged by Muhammad on a Caravan carrying the goods of
the merchants of the Quraish from
Mecca. This Sura is a pep talk of Muhammad, on behalf of his Allah to his
marauding gang. It is not about self defense. Muslims were always the
aggressors. Today we are in war with Muslims. But as usual they are the
aggressors. They have started it and they are the ones who are not letting
entire Quran reveal the aggressive nature of Islam but there is a hadith
that sheds light on the fact that these wars were not only offensive but
also unannounced and unexpected. The Submitters have taken the position to
reject all the hadiths that they do not like while they cherry-pick the
ones that are not incriminatory to establish the existence of Muhammad.
The following haidth is for the benefit of the readers and I am not asking
my opponent to respond to it or accept it. What I quoted from the Quran is
enough to show the violent nature of Islam and there is no such thing as
freedom of expression or belief in Islam. Here is that hadith:
Ibn 'Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi' inquiring from him whether it
was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept
(Islam) before meeting them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it
was necessary in the early days of Islam. The
Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq
while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water.
He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very
day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi' said that this tradition
was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding
019, Number 4292:
Edip is not required to acknowledge or respond for the above hadith, he
must answer for
the following verse that confirms the above hadith,
How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by
night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. (Pickthal)
these evidences and by what we find in the Quran, we can conclude that
killing the apostates is very much in sync with what Muhammad taught and
raiding civilians and murdering them was the way Islam expanded. We have
also established that the Submitters or the "Quranonly" Muslims follow
these very violent verses of the Quran that other Muslims follow and their
talk of reformation is nothing but propaganda.
When push comes to shove a Muslim is a Muslim and he will do what Muhammad
instructed him to do.
cannot be reformed. The violence of Islam is not limited to the hadith.
The hadith merely reports the details of the brutalities committed by
Muhammad. The whole Quran is replete with violence and terror.
The reason these Quranonly Muslims do not want to accept part of the
hadith is not because they are reformed or humanized or they do not agree
with it. It is not because they are not violent or would not commit murder
in the name of their religion. They are merely practicing another teaching
of Muhammad and that is “the game of deception”. They
perfectly know that Islam without the hadith is meaningless. That is why
when a person like Edip Yuksel writes a book on Islam he goes to the
hadith and sira (the biography of Muhammad) to take all the necessary
information. But when it comes to other less savory tales of Muhammad that
portray him as an assassin, a warlord, a mass murderer, a lecher or a
pedophile, he refuses to accept those hadiths as authentic. This is
hypocrisy. This is deception. But nonetheless it is a facet of the same
the world comes to the realization that Islam is not a religion like
others, that it should not be accepted or tolerated, that it must be
condemned and rejected, the sooner we will be able to end this insanity
and save innocent lives.
Edip also wrote:
Ali Sina, by acknowledging today that he is
open to make alliance with ANY group against Hislam and islam, did
not surprise me. Just by looking at the position of his supporters
one must be stupid not to understand where he is standing.
Edip is absolutely right. I am not only willing but striving to bring
all the people of the world together and make them see that humanity is
under attack by an alien enemy who does not see us as Christians, Jews,
Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, or Animists but merely as kafirs and as such
deserving to die. Their enmity is with Mankind.
You may say but Muslims are humans too. Is having the human
appearance enough to make us humans? The sign of humanity is in our
humanness. No person who believes in those inhumane teachings of the Quran
that calls for killing and murder of innocent people deserves to be called
human. Therefore, this is a war between humanity and a spiritually
underdeveloped subhuman species. The actions of Muslims are
barbaric. Their thoughts are beastly. They have no human conscience
and they are preying on us humans. So this is a war between humans and
|Muslims in Fallujah grabbed the foreigners,
savagely murdered them and burned their remains. This was performed
by the general population. .
|A Hindu being beaten by Muslims in a mosque in
Bangladesh. He was captured outside the mosque while going
home. After Friday prayers were over, the Muslims came out and
grabbed the first Hindu they could. Mr. Vimal Patak a
Bangladeshi born Hindu was beaten to death with sticks as the Muslim
mullas (priests) chanted "kill the Kafir!" (non-muslim). With
folded hands he begged for his life and died a brutal
death. It clearly show the cruelty of Islam.
|Palestinians accused of being informers are
executed with no trial and their corpses dragged in the
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