Crazy Talk with Zakir Naik

According to the Quran (4:34), Muslim men can beat their wives into submission. Muslim apologist Zakir Naik claims that the beating is only symbolic, done with a toothbrush or a handkerchief. But if the beating is only symbolic, how can we understand passages in the Hadith about Muhammad beating Aisha or a woman being beaten until her skin turned green? Anthony Rogers discusses the problem.

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  1. continuum says:

    http://heavy.com/news/2015/12/anti-balaka-christian-extremism-terrorism-central-african-republic-car-africa-mass-muslim-islam-execution-behead-murder-mass-grave-genocide-uncensored-youtube/

    A new video purportedly released by radical Christians in the Central African Republic shows them beheading alleged Muslims before pushing them into a mass grave. The video was shared by regional conflict watchdog Twitter account Iraq Now.

    WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT

  2. continuum says:

    How Christian missionaries converting hindus in India Part II

    Christians teaching hatred for Hindus Part II

  3. continuum says:

    Ron says:
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    Jesus can remove the hatred within you and replace it with love, compassion and forgiveness which only Jesus can give and no other god…
    You will no longer hate people of any faith, race, culture, class etc
    ================================
    REALITY OF CHRISTIAN CONVERTS: TEACHING HATRED AGAINST HINDUS, CONVERTS ARE TOLD NOT TO MIX WITH HINDUS AND THAT HINDUS ARE DEVIL WORSHIPERS..

    CHRISTIANS ARE IN REALITY LIARS, FRAUDS, DECEITFUL HYPOCRITES WHO TEACH NOTHING BUT HATRED…EVIDENCE BELOW

    How Christian missionaries converting hindus in India Part I

  4. Ron says:

    This Hindu used to not only hate but also persecute Christians and then …
    (Jesus can remove the hatred within you and replace it with love, compassion and forgiveness which only Jesus can give and no other god…
    You will no longer hate people of any faith, race, culture, class etc).

  5. Ron says:

    Dr Shantanu Dutta a Hindu convert to Christianity explains the Origin of Human Rights derived from Jesus’s teachings.
    Watch

  6. continuum says:

    You Can’t Ask For Proof | STUPID CHRISTIAN

    STUPIDITY OF BLOOD SACRIFICE

  7. continuum says:

    Ron Says:

    We never shared anything in our lives. Because of vows he had taken before I was born, not once did he ever speak to me or pay me the slightest heed. Just two words from him would have made me unspeakably happy. How I wanted to hear him say, **“Rabi. Son.”** Just once. But he never did.

    the greatest man you could have for a father,” she would reply. “He is seeking the true Self that lies within us all, the One Being, of which there is no other. And that’s what you are too, **Rabi.***”
    ====================================================================

    The more witnesses you post, the more you expose the christians AS PURE LIARS AND FRAUDSTERS AND CON MEN..

    WHICH HINDU ON EARTH WILL NAME HIS CHILD AS **Rabi.** ? THIS WORD IS NOT EVEN ANY INDIAN LANGUAGE…IT IS PURELY HEBREW WORD WHICH A HINDU WILL NEVER USE, MUCH LESS NAME HIS/HER CHILD WITH SUCH A WORD…

    This shows clearly that the story of so called “Rabi Maharaj” is a CON-ME STORY JUST LIKE BASTARD HYPOCRITE JEEBUS IS A DELUSIONAL CON-MAN…

  8. continuum says:

    Jesus the Liar | STUPID CHRISTIAN Comments

  9. continuum says:

    Top 10 Reasons Jesus Hasn’t Returned

  10. Ron says:

    continued from below..
    How a Hindu Guru became a Christian.(from amazon Bestseller : Death of a Guru…summary).

    He was the God for whom I had hungered. He Himself was the Creator. Yet, He loved me enough to become a man and die for my sins. With that realization, tons of darkness seemed to lift and a brilliant light flooded my soul.

    After arriving home, Krishna and I found the entire family waiting up for us, apparently having heard what had happened. “I asked Jesus into my life tonight!” I exclaimed happily, as I looked from one to another of those startled faces. “It’s glorious. I can’t tell you how much he means to me already.”

    Some in my family seemed wounded and bewildered; others seemed happy for me. But before it was all over with, thirteen of us had ended up giving our hearts to Jesus! It was incredible.

    The following day I walked resolutely into the prayer room with Krishna. Together we carried everything out into the yard: idols, Hindu scriptures, and religious paraphernalia. We wanted to rid ourselves of every tie with the past and with the powers of darkness that had blinded and enslaved us for so long.

    When everything had been piled on the rubbish heap, we set it on fire and watched the flames consume our past. The tiny figures we once feared as gods were turning to ashes. We hugged one another and offered thanks to the Son of God who had died to set us free.

    I found my thoughts going back to my father’s cremation nearly eight years before. In contrast to our new found joy, that scene had aroused inconsolable grief. My father’s body had been offered to the very same false gods who now lay in smoldering fragments before me. It seemed unbelievable that I should be participating with great joy in the utter destruction of that which represented all I had once believed in so fanatically.

    In a sense this was my cremation ceremony — the end of the person I had once been…the death of a guru. The old Rabi Maharaj had died in Christ. And out of that grave a new Rabi had risen in whom Christ was now living.

    (Editor’s Note: If you would be interested in a detailed account of Rabi’s conversion, read his book Death of a Guru.

  11. Ron says:

    Continued from below…

    Then she said, “Rabi, you don’t seem very happy. Are you?”

    I lowered my voice: “I’m not happy. I wish I had your joy.” Was I saying this?

    “My joy is because my sins are forgiven,” said Molli. “Peace and joy come from Christ, through really knowing Him.” We continued talking for half a day, unaware of how the time had passed. I wanted her peace and joy, but I was absolutely resolved that I wasn’t going to give up any part of my religion.

    As she was leaving, she said: “Before you go to bed tonight, Rabi, please get on your knees and ask God to show you the Truth — and I’ll be praying for you.” With a wave of her hand she was gone.

    Pride demanded that I reject everything Molli had said, but I was too desperate to save face any longer. I fell to my knees, conscious that I was giving in to her request.

    “God, the true God and Creator, please show me the truth!” Something inside me snapped. For the first time in my life, I felt I had really prayed and gotten through — not to some impersonal Force, but to the true God who loves and cares. Too tired to think any longer, I crawled into bed and fell asleep almost instantly.

    Soon after, my cousin Krishna invited me to a Christian meeting. I again surprised myself by responding: “Why not?”

    On our way there, Krishna and I were joined by Ramkair, a new acquaintance of his. “Do you know anything about this meeting?” I asked him, anxious to get some advance information.

    “A little,” he replied. “I became a Christian recently.”

    “Tell me,” I said eagerly. “Did Jesus really change your life?” Ramkair smiled broadly. “He sure did! Everything is different.”

    “It’s really true, Rab!” added Krishna enthusiastically. “I’ve become a Christian too — just a few days ago.”

    The preacher’s sermon was based on Psalm 23, and the words, “The Lord is my shepherd,” made my heart leap. After expounding the Psalm, the preacher said: “Jesus wants to be your Shepherd. Have you heard His voice speaking to your heart? Why not open your heart to Him now? Don’t wait until tomorrow — that may be too late!” The preacher seemed to be speaking directly to me. I could delay no longer.

    I quickly knelt in front of him. He smiled and asked if anyone else wanted to receive Jesus. No one stirred. Then he asked the Christians to come forward and pray with me. Several did, kneeling beside me. For years Hindus had bowed before me — and now I was kneeling before a Christian.

    Aloud I repeated after him a prayer inviting Jesus into my heart. When the preacher said, “Amen,” he suggested I pray in my own words. Quietly, choking with emotion, I began: “Lord Jesus, I’ve never studied the Bible, but I’ve heard that you died for my sins at Calvary so I could be forgiven and reconciled to God. Please forgive me all my sins. Come into my heart!”

    Before I finished, I knew that Jesus wasn’t just another one of several million gods…

  12. Ron says:

    continued from below testimony of a Hindu Guru who becomes a Christian..

    How I loved religious ceremonies — especially private ones in our own home or those of others, where friends and relatives would crowd in. There I would be the center of attention, admired by all. I loved to move through the audience, sprinkling holy water on worshipers or marking foreheads with the sacred white sandalwood paste. I also loved how the worshipers, after the ceremony, bowed low before me to leave their offerings at my feet.

    While vacationing at an Aunt’s ranch, I had my first real encounter with Jesus. I was walking along enjoying nature one day and was startled by a rustling sound in the underbrush behind me. I turned quickly and, to my horror, saw a large snake coming directly toward me — its beady eyes staring intently into mine. I felt paralyzed, wanting desperately to run but unable to move.

    In that moment of frozen terror, out of the past came my mother’s voice, repeating words I had long forgotten: “Rabi, if ever you’re in real danger and nothing else seems to work, there’s another god you can pray to. His name is Jesus.”

    “Jesus! Help me!” I tried to yell, but the desperate cry was choked and hardly audible.

    To my astonishment, the snake turned around and quickly wriggled off into the underbrush. Breathless and still trembling, I was filled with wondering gratitude to this amazing god, Jesus. Why had my mother not taught me more about him?

    During my third year in high school I experienced an increasingly deep inner conflict. My growing awareness of God as the Creator, separate and distinct from the universe He had made, contradicted the Hindu concept that god was everything, that the Creator and the Creation were one and the same. If there was only One Reality, then Brahman was evil as well as good, death as well as life, hatred as well as love. That made everything meaningless, life an absurdity. It was not easy to maintain both one’s sanity and the view that good and evil, love and hate, life and death were One Reality.

    One day a friend of my cousin Shanti, whose name was Molli, came by to visit. She asked me about whether I found Hinduism fulfilling. Trying to hide my emptiness, I lied and told her I was very happy and that my religion was the Truth. She listened patiently to my pompous and sometimes arrogant pronouncements. Without arguing, she exposed my emptiness gently with politely phrased questions.

    She told me that Jesus had brought her close to God. She also said that God is a God of love and that He desires us to be close to Him. As appealing as this sounded to me, I stubbornly resisted, not willing to surrender my Hindu roots.

    Still, I found myself asking, “What makes you so happy? You must have been doing a lot of meditation.”

    “I used to,” Molli responded, “but not any more. Jesus has given me a peace and joy that I never knew before.” Then she said, “Rabi, you don’t seem very happy. Are…

  13. Ron says:

    Death of a Guru:
    The Story of Rabi Maharaj

    No matter how fulfilling life becomes, there are always certain regrets when one looks back. My deepest sense of loss involves my father. So much has happened since his death. I often wonder what it would be like to share it all with him, and what his reaction would be.

    We never shared anything in our lives. Because of vows he had taken before I was born, not once did he ever speak to me or pay me the slightest heed. Just two words from him would have made me unspeakably happy. How I wanted to hear him say, “Rabi. Son.” Just once. But he never did.

    For eight long years he uttered not a word. The trancelike condition he had achieved is called in the East a state of higher consciousness and can be attained only through deep meditation.

    “Why is Father that way?” I would ask my mother, still too young to understand. “He is someone very special — the greatest man you could have for a father,” she would reply. “He is seeking the true Self that lies within us all, the One Being, of which there is no other. And that’s what you are too, Rabi.”

    Father had set an example, achieved wide acclaim, and earned the worship of many, and it was inevitable that upon his death his mantle would fall upon me. I had never imagined, however, that I would still be so young when this fateful day arrived.

    When father died I felt I had lost everything. Though I had scarcely known him as my father, he had been my inspiration — a god — and now he was dead.

    At his funeral, my father’s stiff body was placed on a great npile of firewood. The thought of his body being sacrificed to Agni, the god of fire, added a new dimension of mystery to the bewilderment and deep sense of loss that already overwhelmed me.

    As the flames engulfed him, it was impossible to suppress the anguish I felt. “Mommy!” I screamed. “Mommy!” If she heard me above the roar of sparks and fire, she made no indication. A true Hindu, she found strength to follow the teaching of Krishna: she would mourn neither the living nor the dead. Not once did she cry as the flames consumed my father.

    After my father’s funeral, I became a favorite subject for the palm-readers and astrologers who frequented our house. Our family would hardly make an important decision without consulting an astrologer, so it was vital that my future be confirmed in the same way. It was encouraging to learn that the lines on my palms and the planets and stars, according to those who interpreted them, all agreed I would become a great Hindu leader. I was obviously a chosen vessel, destined for early success in the search for union with Brahman (the One). The forces that had guided my father were now guiding me.

    I was only eleven and already many people were bowing before me, laying gifts of money, cotton cloth, and other treasures at my feet and hanging garlands of flowers around my neck at religious ceremonies.

    How I loved religious ceremonies –…

  14. continuum says:

    Ron Says:
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    However, at the end of the third week, Dahal was struck by something he had never imagined.

    “This power like a current of electricity came into me and began to run very fast,” Dahal recalled. “I was shocked. I was closing my eyes and opening my eyes, and I was very afraid. I kept saying, ‘Who is this? What’s happening to me? What’s inside of me running very fast?’”

    He said it was an experience he had never encountered in his 30 years of worshiping the Hindu pantheon of gods.

    “I was challenging Jesus,” he said. “Jesus sent the power. I began to say, ‘Wow. Jesus has the power,’” he said.

    “I believed that morning that Jesus Christ is real. He really is the God who has mighty power. He woke me up. I cried. I realised that Jesus Christ is real.”
    ==========================================

    So the reason this fellow converted is because he felt electricity running in his body AND HE IMAGINED MAMZER JEEBUS HOLDING TWO ELECTRODES TO HIS BEHINDS FROM A BATTERY BACK…LOL….HAHAHAHA…..THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST STUPID REASONS I HAVE HEARD FOR A PERSON TO CONVERT….

    MAY GE KOSH DAHAL HAD ACCIDENTALLY INSERTED HIS DAMN FINGER IN A THREE PIN SOCKET TO GET THE ELECTRIC SHOCK…YOU STUPID CHRISTIANS ARE SICK BUNCH OF RETARDED JOKERS.

  15. Ron says:

    This is the video of
    Nepali staunch Hindu who challenged Jesus to show up or send the Christian evangelist to jail.
    Must see…Testimony of Dohal
    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=519405514764815

  16. Face_The_Truth says:

    http://www.kyroot.com/

    WHY DID JESUS LEAVE THE EARTH SO QUICKLY?

    This is a question that has perplexed Christian theologians for decades!

    Why didn’t Jesus remain on the Earth and continue to enlighten and guide the world in accordance with God’s moral directives?

    Some will say that Jesus needed to travel to other planets and die there for the sins of aliens.

    Others will say, Jesus left so that faith would be required to believe in him, rather than hard evidence!

    These might be plausible theories, but what is more questionable and less explainable is why Jesus left so quickly so as to leave so many of his fellow Jews in a state of non-acceptance of Jesus’s Messiahship.

    The very people that Jesus’s ministry was focused on ended up rejecting Jesus and considering Jesus to be a failed prophet.

    Doesn’t it seem like a compassionate Jesus would have stayed around long enough to convince his fellow Jews, his CHOSEN PEOPLE, that he was actually the son of God, or God himself, so that they would not be left in an erroneous state of unbelief for the next 20+ centuries?

    By proving his resurrection to his countrymen, Jesus could have bridged the Jewish-Christian divide once and for all.

    Additionally, why did Jesus leave so soon without clearly identifying the tenets, doctrines, and rules for the new religion of Christianity?

    If he had done so, we would have exactly one denomination of Christianity instead of over 38,000, and it would have prevented the torture and murder of hundreds of thousands of people who believed something different from their Christian tormentors.

    The answer to this question is the one that requires the least amount of rationalization!

    Jesus did not rise from the dead, and the myths that evolved saying Jesus did would not have had much acceptance if it was claimed that Jesus spent a long time post-resurrection on the earth.

    Getting Jesus off the planet quickly was essential to sell the believability of the Christian story.

    Otherwise there would have been questions about why so few had seen him.

    All myths require a quick and complete withdrawal of the ‘evidence.’

    http://www.kyroot.com/

  17. Ron says:

    continued from below…
    Together with their three children, the couple abandoned the Hindu priesthood and began evangelising. They planted a church in Kathmandu. After some years, they moved to the Philippines where they planted five more churches.

    In 2013, they moved to Malaysia and began to minister to Nepalese at the Kairos Nepali Church Knc.

  18. Ron says:

    A Nepali staunch Hindu challenges Jesus

    A Hindu priest once believed that Christianity is a fake religion and challenged a Christian evangelist to prove to him that was not so by making him accept Jesus Christ in 30 days.

    The unnamed evangelist accepted the challenge, according to Kosh Dahal, the Hindu priest who lives in Kathmandu, Nepal, according to God Reports.
    Dahal recounted his experience with the evangelist in a video posted recently on YouTube.

    In the video, Dahal said the Christian evangelist kept on visiting him at his veterinary clinic in Kathmandu where he kept on talking about the “loving living only God Jesus.”

    “He bothered me because I didn’t want to accept Jesus Christ. He kept coming and ministering the gospel. I kept rejecting him,” Dahal said.
    “One day I got challenged. I wanted to prove that Christianity is a fake religion. Jesus can’t do anything. I will ask your Jesus – 10 minutes in the morning and 10 minutes in the evening – if He is the real God, come on and touch me and change me for 30 days.”

    Dahal told the evangelist that if his Jesus failed to convince him to change his mind after 30 days, he would file a complaint against him with the police, warning him that Nepal law prohibits proselytising. “You will be in trouble,” he warned the evangelist. The Christian missionary boldly accepted the challenge.
    Two times every day, the evangelist visited Dahal’s clinic and preached about Jesus. With two weeks left before the expiration of the 30-day challenge, Dahal still remained unconvinced about turning his back on the Hindu gods and accepting Jesus instead. If 330 million Hindu gods and goddesses couldn’t respond to his prayers, Dahal doubted very much that one God like Jesus could do so.

    However, at the end of the third week, Dahal was struck by something he had never imagined.

    “This power like a current of electricity came into me and began to run very fast,” Dahal recalled. “I was shocked. I was closing my eyes and opening my eyes, and I was very afraid. I kept saying, ‘Who is this? What’s happening to me? What’s inside of me running very fast?'”

    He said it was an experience he had never encountered in his 30 years of worshiping the Hindu pantheon of gods.

    “I was challenging Jesus,” he said. “Jesus sent the power. I began to say, ‘Wow. Jesus has the power,'” he said.

    “I believed that morning that Jesus Christ is real. He really is the God who has mighty power. He woke me up. I cried. I realised that Jesus Christ is real.”

    Having “lost” his wager to the evangelist, Dahal promised the evangelist he would leave everything to follow Jesus.

    Eventually his wife Shobah also accepted Jesus after seeing the dramatic change for the better in her husband.

    To the couple’s amazement, her acceptance of Jesus led to the miraculous healing of her uterine myoma, a benign growth that might have required a hysterectomy.

    Together with their three children, the…

  19. Face_The_Truth says:

    MEANING OF MONOTHEISM

    As we shall see, the Allãh of the Qur’ãn says again and again that he is not revealing anything new, but only re-affirming what is already recorded in the earlier scripture, namely, the Bible.

    Allãh is annoyed with the Jews in particular for their refusal to recognize Muhammad as a prophet when their own prophets were known to have spread the same message received from the same source.

    Muhammad, too, is pained that his people repudiate him without checking with the Jews and the Christians the truth of what he is proclaiming.

    Muslim theologians of later ages will deny that Muhammad learnt anything from the Bible.

    In their eagerness to invest Muhammad with an absolutely original inspiration, Muslim theologians will portray Muhammad as an illiterate (ummî) who could neither read nor write.

    But we will better believe Allãh and his prophet rather than the latter-day Muslim theologians, and proceed to examine what the Bible says vis-a-vis other people’s gods and places of worship.

    The Bible is, of course, a large and complex composition spanning several centuries and dealing with diverse subjects.

    We shall confine ourselves to the main theme which runs through all its book except most of the Psalms and Proverbs, namely, the struggle by a succession of prophets to make the Jews stick to a strict monotheism with all its implications.

    The prophets speak on behalf of a boastful being who introduces himself as Jehovah and thunders a thousand time that he alone is worthy of worship to the exclusion of all “other Gods”.

    Moses hails Jehovah as “a warrior” whose name “the nations heard and trembled.”

    The story in the Bible starts a long time before Jehovah identifies himself to Moses.

    But that story is not relevant in the present context except at one point where Jacob asked his people to “rid yourselves of foreign Gods you have among you” and “buried them under the terebinth tree.”

    For our purpose, the story acquires interest only after Moses leads his people out of Egypt and goes up to Mount Sinai where he has been summoned by Jehovah “in a peal of thunder.”

    That is when Moses receives the famous Ten Commandments.

    The commandments that are relevant in the present context are the first two. Jehovah says,

    “I am the Lord your God who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

    You shall have no other gods set against me.

    You shall not have a carved image for yourself nor the likeness of anything in the heavens above, or on the earth below, or in the waters under the earth.

    You shall not bow down to them, for, I, the Lord your God am a jealous god.

    I punish the children for the sins of their forefathers to the third and fourth generations of those that hate me.”

    Jehovah does not make it clear how homage to other Gods means hatred for him.

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples1/

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples2/

  20. Face_The_Truth says:

    MEANING OF MONOTHEISM

    Jehovah portrays the pathological state of mind in which a person feels slighted simply because some other person is praised.

    In any case, Jehovah goes ahead and lays down that “whoever sacrifices to any other God but the Lord shall be put to death under solemn ban.”

    This was no empty threat as Moses proved soon after.

    While Moses went up to Mount Sinai for a second time his people down below melted their ornaments, made a golden calf, and started worshipping it with song and dance.

    Jehovah was furious.

    Jehovah threatened to destroy the whole lot of them, and Moses had a hard time pacifying him.

    Moses hurried down in order to handle the situation. “Then he took the calf they had made and burnt it; he ground it to powder, sprinkled it on water and made the Israelites drink it.”

    Next Moses took his place at the gate of the camp and said, “Who is on the Lord’s side?

    Come here to me; and the Levites all rallied to Moses.

    Moses said to them, ‘These are the words of the Lord the God of Israel: Arm yourselves, each of you, with his sword.

    Go through the camp from gate to gate and back again.

    Each of you will kill his brother, his friend, his neighbour.’

    The Levites obeyed, and about three thousand of the people died.

    Moses then said, ‘Today you have consecrated yourselves to the Lord, because you have each turned against his own son and his own brother and so have brought this blessing upon yourselves.’”

    All ties of kinship which normal societies, particularly pagan societies, have prized stood dissolved in the new dispensation.

    A brotherhood of believers (or bandits) based on a commonly shared cult came into existence.

    Muhammad will also call upon the Muslims to do the same and acknowledge no relationship higher than obedience to the dictates of Islãm.

    Jehovah made it quite clear to the Jews that if they failed to punish those among them who turned to other Gods, Jehovah will take the matter in his own hands and inflict terrible calamities on the whole people.

    “If in spite of this you do not listen to me and still defy me, I will defy you in anger, and I myself will punish you seven times over for your sins.

    Instead of meat you shall eat your sons and your daughters.

    I will destroy your hill shrines and demolish your incense altars.

    I will pile your rotting carcases on the rotting logs that were your idols, and I will spurn you.

    I will make your cities desolate and destroy your sanctuaries.

    I will destroy your land and the enemies who occupy it shall be appalled.

    I will scatter you among the heathen and I will pursue you with the naked sword; your land shall be desolate and your cities heaps of rubble.”

    Jehovah left no one in doubt that he was a hardened gangster who would stop at no crime.

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples1/

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples2/

  21. Face_The_Truth says:

    MEANING OF MONOTHEISM

    We shall meet Jehovah again in the Qur’ãn.

    The “other Gods” are not worth worshipping because they are “made by human hands out of wood and stone, gods that can neither see nor hear, neither eat nor smell.”

    Idols are not only dead matter but also “loathsome and abominable.”

    Idols cannot help, nor save you in an emergency.

    We shall meet the same note in the Qur’ãn.

    Allãh will also pity the people who bow before such “dead and dumb things”.

    The march towards the land, which Jehovah had long ago promised to deliver to his Chosen People, was resumed.

    Jehovah himself led the Jewish horde, assuming the form of a cloud.

    On the way Jehovah gave elaborate instructions about how he himself was to be worshipped.

    At last they were on the frontiers of the promised land.

    Jehovah briefed them how to proceed:

    “When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you are entering to occupy and drive out many nations before you — Hitites, Girgashites, Amorites, Cananites, Perrizites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations more numeous and powerful than you — when the Lord your God delivers them into your power and you defeat them, you must put them to death.

    You must not make a treaty with them or spare them.

    You must not intermarry with them, neither giving you daughters to their sons nor taking their daughters for your sons: if you do, they will draw your sons away from the Lord and make them worship other gods.

    Then the Lord will be angry with you and quickly destroy you.

    But this is what you must do to them: pull down their altars, break their sacred pillars, hack down their sacred poles and destroy their idols by fire, for you are a people holy to the Lord your God; the Lord your God chose you out of all the nations on earth to be his special possession.”

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples1/

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples2/

  22. Face_The_Truth says:

    MEANING OF MONOTHEISM

    Jewish God Jehovah also warned the Jews against reformers who may appear among them:

    “When a prophet or dreamer appears among you and offers you a sign or a portent and calls on you to follow other Gods whom you have not known and worshipped, then, even if the sign or portent should come true, do not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer.

    That prophet or that dreamer shall be put to death, for he has preached rebellion against the Lord who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the path which the Lord your God commanded you to take.

    You must rid yourselves of this wickedness.”

    The gate was thus slammed for ever against any second thoughts on the subject.

    The Israelites were to remain in the Prison-House of Monotheism for all time to come!

    The conquest of the promised land proceeded apace, accompanied by unmitigated slaughter and rapine.

    Jehovah commanded his servants again and again not to leave alive anything that breathes:

    “So Joshua massacred the population of the whole region — the hill country, the Nageb, the Shephelah, the watersheds — and all their kings.

    Joshua left no survivor, destroying everything that drew breath as the Lord God of Israel had commanded.”

    Jehovah took credit for all the victories and waxed eloquent in self-adulation.

    But as the war of conquest drew to a close and the Jews settled down in the promised land they reverted more and more to the normal human habit of worshipping the Divine in many Names and Forms.

    Jews intermarried with the neighbouring non-Jewish tribes, defying the ban which Jehovah had imposed on them.

    The foreign brides brought their own Gods, and also priests who tended to those Gods.

    The defiance of Jehovah reached a new high in the reign of Jewish King Solomon.

    Jewish King Solomon had seven hundred wives, most of them foreign princesses, and three hundred concubines who “turned his heart to follow other gods.”

    Jehovah warned Jewish King Solomon twice, but to no avail.

    Jewish King Solomon simply ignored Jehovah, and Jehovah could not do a thing.

    Jehovah consoled himself that he was sparing Jewish King Solomon for the sake of the latter’s father, Jewish King David.

    The Jewish kingdom split into two after the death of Solomon — Israel in the north with its seat at Samaria, and Judah in the south with its seat at Jerusalem.

    The scribes who wrote the story of Jewish King Solomon credited Jehovah with a curse which broke the kingdom after Solomon’s death.

    It was wisdom after the event.

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples1/

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples2/

  23. Face_The_Truth says:

    MEANING OF MONOTHEISM

    In any case, the worship of other gods continued unabated.

    Ahab, King of Israel, had married a foreign princess, Jezebel, who was a devotee of Baal.

    Temples were built for the new God where his priests presided.

    Jewish King Ahab himself paid homage to the new God.

    Elijah, a self-appointed Jewish prophet, admonished the Jewish King Ahab, but was dismissed with contempt.

    So Elijah took resort to trickery.

    Elijah invited the priests of Baal to Mount Carmel in order to demonstrate to them the superiority of Jehovah over Baal.

    Elijah’s swordsmen who lay in ambush seized four hundred and fifty priests.

    Elijah himself “took them down the Kishon and slaughtered them in the valley.”

    Then, the self-appointed Jewish prophet Elijah ran away for dear life, because Queen Jezebel had summoned him.

    The mantle of Elijah fell on another self-appointed Jewish prophet Elisha.

    Elisha earned his well-deserved reputation as a prophet by cursing some naughty children, forty-two of whom were torn to pieces by she-bears.

    Elisha egged on an adventurer, Jehu, who seized the throne of Israel after slaughtering the sons of Jewish King Ahab, and getting Queen Jezebel thrown out of a palace window so that “some of the blood splashed on the wall and the horses who trampled her under foot.”

    The worship of Baal, however, was far from finished in the kingdom, and many of his priests were still around.

    Guided by Elisha, Jehu announced that he, too, had become a devotee of Baal and was holding a great sacrifice in the big temple in the capital city.

    Jehu invited all the priests of Baal and saw to it that all of them assembled.

    Jehu’s armed guard fell on them suddenly and slaughtered them to the last man.

    The idols in the temple were brought out and burnt.

    The sacred poles were broken and the sacred pillars pulled down.

    The temple was turned into a lavatory for public urination and defecation.

    Jewish God Jehovah blessed the genocidal enterprise and confirmed the Jewish kingdom in the family of Jehu for four generations!

    The self-appointed Jewish prophet Elisha lived thereafter a much satisfied man who had fulfilled his mission.

    And so on, the biblical story snowballs through the rest of the books in the Bible.

    The common people in the two kingdoms relapse into polytheism and idol-worship, again and again.

    More prophets appear on the scene and do what Elijah and Elisha had done.

    Each succeeding prophet turns out to be a gangster greater than the preceding one.

    They curse and torment their own people, and invoke calamities on them.

    But as the people remain indifferent to them, they feel utterly helpless and console themselves by praying for the “great day” when Jehovah will destroy all other Gods together with those who worshipped them.

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples1/

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples2/

  24. Face_The_Truth says:

    MEANING OF MONOTHEISM

    In any case, the worship of other Gods continued unabated.

    Ahab, King of Israel, had married a foreign princess, Jezebel, who was a devotee of Baal (i.e., “Hindu” Shiva Lingam — a symbol of divine generative energy, especially a phallus or phallic object worshiped as a symbol of Lord Shiva).

    Temples were built for the new God where his priests presided.

    Jewish King Ahab himself paid homage to the new God.

    Elijah, a self-appointed Jewish prophet, admonished the Jewish King Ahab, but was dismissed with contempt.

    So Elijah took resort to trickery.

    Elijah invited the priests of Baal to Mount Carmel in order to demonstrate to them the superiority of Jehovah over Baal.

    Elijah’s swordsmen who lay in ambush seized four hundred and fifty priests.

    Elijah himself “took them down the Kishon and slaughtered them in the valley.”

    Then, the self-appointed Jewish prophet Elijah ran away for dear life, because Queen Jezebel had summoned him.

    The mantle of Elijah fell on another self-appointed Jewish prophet Elisha.

    Elisha earned his well-deserved reputation as a prophet by cursing some naughty children, forty-two of whom were torn to pieces by she-bears.

    Elisha egged on an adventurer, Jehu, who seized the throne of Israel after slaughtering the sons of Jewish King Ahab, and getting Queen Jezebel thrown out of a palace window so that “some of the blood splashed on the wall and the horses who trampled her under foot.”

    The worship of Baal, however, was far from finished in the kingdom, and many of his priests were still around.

    Guided by Elisha, Jehu announced that he, too, had become a devotee of Baal and was holding a great sacrifice in the big temple in the capital city.

    Jehu invited all the priests of Baal and saw to it that all of them assembled.

    Jehu’s armed guard fell on them suddenly and slaughtered them to the last man.

    The idols in the temple were brought out and burnt.

    The sacred poles were broken and the sacred pillars pulled down.

    The temple was turned into a lavatory for public urination and defecation.

    Jewish God Jehovah blessed the genocidal enterprise and confirmed the Jewish kingdom in the family of Jehu for four generations!

    The self-appointed Jewish prophet Elisha lived thereafter a much satisfied man who had fulfilled his mission.

    And so on, the biblical story snowballs through the rest of the books in the Bible.

    The common people in the two kingdoms relapse into polytheism and idol-worship, again and again.

    More prophets appear on the scene and do what Elijah and Elisha had done.

    Each succeeding prophet turns out to be a gangster greater than the preceding one.

    They curse and torment their own people, and invoke calamities on them.

    But as the people remain indifferent to them, they feel utterly helpless and console themselves by praying for the “great day” when the Lord will destroy all other gods together…

  25. Face_The_Truth says:

    MEANING OF MONOTHEISM

    Jehovah himself had always been intemperate in his language vis-a-vis those who strayed away from the straight path.

    But as Jehovah feels more and more helpless in the face of his people’s “obstinacy”, his language becomes increasingly foul and ends by being downright obscene.

    Jehovah views the worship of other gods as adultery and fornication, and denounces both kingdoms as harlots given to willful whoredom!

    Jehovah addresses his prophet Ezekiel and says:

    “Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations.

    And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, that thou hast also built unto thee an eminent place and made thee a high place in every street, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed, and multiplied thy whoredoms.

    Thou has also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh.

    They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee from every side for thy whoredom.

    O harlot, hear the words of the Lord: Thus saith the Lord God: Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations.

    I will gather all thy lovers with whom thou has taken pleasure.

    I will gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.

    And I will also give thee into their hands, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.

    And they shall bum thy houses with fire, and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shall give no hire any more.”

    In another message to the same prophet, Jehovah says:

    “Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of the same mother.

    And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.”

    Turning to Samaria, Jehovah pronounces:

    “Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredoms upon her.”

    Coming back to Jerusalem, Jehovah’s language becomes filthier:

    “And when her sister saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

    For she doted upon their paramours whose flesh is as the flesh of asses and whose issue is like the issue of horses.”

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples1/

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples2/

  26. Face_The_Truth says:

    MEANING OF MONOTHEISM

    And so on, the biblical story snowballs through the rest of the books in the Bible.

    The common people in the two kingdoms relapse into polytheism and idol-worship, again and again.

    More prophets appear on the scene and do what Elijah and Elisha had done!

    Each succeeding prophet turns out to be a gangster greater than the preceding one.

    They curse and torment their own people, and invoke calamities on them.

    But as the people remain indifferent to them, they feel utterly helpless and console themselves by praying for the “great day” when the Lord will destroy all other gods together with those who worshipped them.

    Jehovah himself had always been intemperate in his language vis-a-vis those who strayed away from the straight path.

    But as Jehovah feels more and more helpless in the face of his people’s “obstinacy”, his language becomes increasingly foul and ends by being downright obscene.

    Jehovah views the worship of other gods as adultery and fornication, and denounces both kingdoms as harlots given to willful whoredom!

    Jehovah addresses his prophet Ezekiel and says:

    “Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations.

    And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, that thou hast also built unto thee an eminent place and made thee a high place in every street, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed, and multiplied thy whoredoms.

    Thou has also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh.

    They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee from every side for thy whoredom.

    O harlot, hear the words of the Lord: Thus saith the Lord God: Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations.

    I will gather all thy lovers with whom thou has taken pleasure.

    I will gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.

    And I will also give thee into their hands, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.

    And they shall bum thy houses with fire, and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shall give no hire any more.”

    In another message to the same prophet, Jehovah says:

    “Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of the same mother.

    And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.”

    Turning to Samaria, Jehovah pronounces:

    “Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredoms upon her.”

    Coming back to Jerusalem, Jehovah’s language becomes filthier:

    “And when her sister saw…

  27. Face_The_Truth says:

    MEANING OF MONOTHEISM

    Jehovah’s character, as portrayed in the Bible, can now be summed up.

    Jewish God Jehovah behaves like a bully and a coward par excellence, apart from his proclaiming, again and again, that he is a hardened gangster who has committed many crimes.

    Jehovah takes the whole credit every time the Jews are victorious and commit slaughter and rapine.

    But when the tables are turned on the Jews, Jehovah turns tail and blames the Jews for betraying him by worshipping other Gods.

    The Jews on their part try to return to Monotheism, and its concomitant, iconoclasm, again and again, on being admonished by their prophets, but their situation does not improve.

    Jews get defeated and enslaved successively by the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Persians, the Mecedonians, the Seleucids, and the Romans.

    In the final round, the only country which Jews had occupied after making rivers of blood flow is lost to them for ever, and Jehovah’s only temple at Jerusalem is destroyed from the foundations, never to be built again.

    Jehovah does not bat an eye.

    Jehovah remains unshaken in the hallucination that he is the Lord.

    Jehovah’s final volte-face on the Jews is simply breath-taking.

    Another self-appointed Jewish prophet named Jesus follows in the footsteps of his predecessors and harangues the Jews to repent, for the Last Day is drawing near.

    Jesus shows some miracles, collects crowds, and gets picked up by the Roman police as a disturber of peace.

    Jehovah does not lift his little finger to save his prophet from a cruel and shameful death; Jesus is crucified along with two common thieves.

    The prophets that follow beat their Lord’s record in double-talk.

    On the one hand, they pin down the crime of the Jews, so that this already tormented people gets subjected to repeated pogroms for two thousand years.

    On the other hand, they spread the abominable superstition that Jesus was the Christ who mounted the cross willingly and voluntarily in order to wash with his own blood the sins of mankind!

    Knavery, thy name is prophethood.

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples1/

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples2/

  28. Face_The_Truth says:

    MEANING OF MONOTHEISM

    Reading the Bible between the lines, however, one cannot resist the conclusion that Jehovah’s blessing as well as cursing is no more than wisdom by hindsight.

    Howsoever awesome Jehovah may sound, particularly because Jehovah has been for a longtime the God of nations with bigger guns, Jehovah remains a contrived creation of a closed and cruel theology mounted mechanically on purely mundane happening.

    Jewish God Jehovah does not exist and has never existed outside that theology, neither in history nor in any high heaven.

    The only dwelling place which can be assigned to Jehovah is in the dark drives of human nature!

    Jehovah has possessed successively or Jehovah has been appropriated by some bandit formations bent upon wanton aggression in order to carve out predatory empires.

    The fact that these formations advertise themselves as the Church or the Ummah should deceive no one.

    Christianity which took over bodily the closed theology of Judaism committed the same crimes on a far more extensive scale!

    This is not the place to describe what the Christian theologians, Christian missionaries, and Christian swordsmen did to the Pagan people and their places of worship in Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas, and the Oceania; for the present we are dealing with the Islamic theology of iconoclasm, and the Bible has come in because it is the source of that scourge.

    What we wish to point out is that in every case the Bible was their guidebook:

    “The introduction of Christianity, and more especially its establishment in the Roman Empire in the fourth century of our era, proved the destruction of Pagan idols, however skilfully and elegantly formed.

    The Crusade against the statues of Pagan Gods commenced in the latter part of the reign of Constantine and continued gradually to advance, until under Theodosius the Younger it pervaded all parts of the Empire.

    Not that the Christians despised art or were incapable of appreciating aesthetic excellence, whether in painting or in sculpture, but their hostility to Pagan idols was wholly of a religious nature.”

    Nearer home and as late as the sixteenth century, “At least from 1540 A.D. onwards, and in the island of Goa, Indian subcontinent, before — that year, all the Hindu idols had been annihilated or had disappeared, all the Hindu temples had been destroyed and their sites and building material were in most cases utilized to erect new Christian churches and chapels.”

    A complete history of Christian iconoclasm world-wide has yet to be compiled.

    But judging from what we find scattered in the histories of Christianity in different countries, there is enough evidence that for a long time the Bible left a trail of devastation wherever it went.

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples1/

    LINK

    http://voiceofdharma.org/books/htemples2/

  29. Face_The_Truth says:

    [A.H. Says:
    Another assertion, in Hinduism there is no central authority, any holy_phallus_worshipping_person can have its say.]

    THAT MEANS YOU DO NOT HAVE A CLUE IN “HINDUISM” (I.E., SANATANA DHARMA).

    I THANK GOD THAT SANATANA DHARMA DOESN’T NEED A “CENTRAL AUTHORITY” SIMPLY BECAUSE THE CENTRAL AUTHORITIES IN CHRISTIANISM, ISLAMISM AND MORMONISM ARE ALL FAKE AND FICTITIOUS IN THEIR ORIGINS.

    SANATANA DHARMA SAYS, GOD IS MANIFESTED IN EVERYTHING BOTH LIVING AND NON-LIVING MATTERS IN THE UNIVERSE.

    I AM NOT TRYING TO CONVERT YOU TO ANYTHING AS YOU CAN BELIEVE IN WHATEVER YOU LIKE TO BELIEVE AND THAT’S YOUR PERSONAL CHOICE.

    BUT, DO NOT TALK ABOUT SANATANA DHARMA AS AN UTTER IMBECILE.

    IF YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT PROPHET-BASED OR PROFIT-BASED “RELIGIONS” SUCH AS JUDAISM, CHRISTIANISM, ISLAMISM, MORMONISM, BARBARISM, SADISM, AND MASOCHISM, PLEASE DO WITH YOUR FULL LIBERTY.

    BUT, DO NOT TALK ABOUT SANATANA DHARMA SINCE YOU DO NEITHER UNDERSTAND NOR APPRECIATE ANY ASPECT OF FREEDOM OF WORSHIP THAT SANATANA DHARMA ALLOWS ITS ADHERENTS.

    IN SANATANA DHARMA, AN INDIVIDUAL CAN WORSHIP ONLY ONE GOD.

    IN SANATANA DHARMA, AN INDIVIDUAL CAN WORSHIP MANY GODS.

    IN SANATANA DHARMA, AN INDIVIDUAL CAN WORSHIP NO GOD AT ALL, BUT BELIEVE IN HIS/HER OWN KARMA.

    [It is just another opinion.]

    YOUR ANY CHRISTIAN OR JEWISH OR ISLAMIC BOOK IS NOTHING BUT ANOTHER WORTHLESS OPINION AS WELL.

    [The same applies to Islam and Protestantism, it is such a mess!]

    THEY ARE IN “SUCH A MESS” BECAUSE OF THEIR HISTORICAL ROOTS.

    JUST FEEL FREE TO READ THE ABOVE QUOTATIONS FOR THE ROOTS OF ALL TROUBLES IN JUDAISM, CHRISTIANISM, ISLAMISM, AND MORMONISM, SINCE THIS FAITHFREEDOM.ORG WEBSITE TRUNCATES FULL LENGTH OF MY POSTS.

    BECAUSE, IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE HISTORY, YOU WILL FALL FOR THE FALSEHOODS OF JUDAISM, CHRISTIANISM, ISLAMISM, AND MORMONISM.

  30. continuum says:

    A.H. Says:
    ==================================
    Another assertion, in Hinduism there is no central authority, any holy_phallus_worshipping_person can have its say. It is just another opinion. The same applies to Islam and Protestantism, it is such a mess!
    =================================

    So says a dirty corpse worshiper of suicidal, illicitly born, sado-masichist, mental retard mamzer jeebus.

    Did you read any of my posts below, how I logically proved mamzer jeebus is a bastard born through adultery, is a suicidal delusional mental retard in addition to being a hypocritical sado-masochist. Let me see how many of your stupid christians can refute my logical arguments.

  31. continuum says:

    Ron Says:
    ======================================
    “SARWA PAPA PARIHARO RAKTHA PROKSHANAM AVASHYAM THAD RAKTHA PARAMATMENA PONYADANA BALIYAGAM”
    =======================================

    Hehehehe…..THIS IS CLEARLY MADE UP FAKE VERSE WHICH DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE IN VEDAS. The scoundrel missionary convert just created non-existent verses. Note, no proper reference is given for these verses.

    Ron Says:
    ======================================
    On reading these words I started searching all our religious books and Vedas but no god of ours was sinless. Brahma, whom we called the creator, had lusty desire against the woman whom he had created. For that the woman cursed him and he lost one of his three heads. All the ten incarnations of Vishnu Murthy (another god) are because of curses, for one or another reason. Some of his ten incarnations were: pig, fish, tortoise, lion in the shape of a man etc. I wondered if there was not such a holy god who’s blood was worthy to be shed.
    =======================================

    So the scoundrel evangelist after creating non-existent Vedic verses out of thin air, then looked for cheap shots against Vedic Gods neither understanding the Hindu scriptures nor even reading them in the first place.

    You mentioned one avatar (incarnation is a misnomer for any avatar of Vedic God as no avatar has material body) of Vedic God, lion in the shape of a man (Narasimha = man + lion). Here Vedic God appeared out of a pillar, with no human agency (no mother or father) or any other agency of any kind and killed the demon Hiranyakashipu to save His devotee Prahlad. Vedic God appears in avatars in Forms which are all absolutely spiritual (full of Power, glory, and unlimited Pure Bliss) in nature. None of the Forms of avatars of Vedic God have any tinge of matter associated with Them. Now, where is the curse that forced this avatar. Your scoundrel missionary is a liar. None of the avatar are due to any curse. CHristians are habitual LIARS when it comes to Hinduism.

    Ron Says:
    ======================================
    In one of our ethics, I read that a virgin would bring forth a son who is sinless and worthy to shed his holy blood for the forgiveness of sins.
    ======================================

    Where exactly does it say in Vedas or any Hindu scripture? where is the reference? The scoundrel christian missionary who follows a dead stinking garbage Jewish corpse of bastard jeebus is lying through his teeth.

  32. continuum says:

    Ron Says:
    ==========================
    At that time we used to utter the words which are derived from one of our ethics (Vedas):
    “PAPOHAM” (I am a sinner). “PAPATMA” (My spirit is sinful). “PAPAKARMAHA” (My deeds are sinful). “PAPASAMBHAVA” (I was born in sin).
    ==========================================================

    Here is the clear EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY RON himself that converts twist and corrupt Hindu scriptures beyond recognition to suit their agenda and propagate the death cult of bastard jeebus…THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT MOOSLIMES ALSO DO…ALL DEVIL FOLLOWERS AKA DEVIL WORSHIPERS DO THIS…

    https://books.google.co.in/books?id=QWKfAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10&dq=PAPAKARMAHAM+PAPATMA&source=bl&ots=rhP-JMKK2q&sig=7yLUOzyWXFLD__xuRMttB0ENF_A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwikqPm3lpzRAhXEOY8KHd45BBsQ6AEIIzAC#v=onepage&q=PAPAKARMAHAM%20PAPATMA&f=false

    Also found here

    http://agiivideo.com/books/Book%2010%20Farewell%20to%20the%20soul-7-20-2016.pdf

    New Age Purohit Darpan: Farewell to the Soul: Translation and significance …
    edited by Kanai Mukherjee, Arunkati Banerjee, Aloka Chakravarty, Bibhas Bandyopadhyay

    BK10: Farewell to the Soul, page 10 lists the above mantra as “Vishnu smaran (Remembering Lord Vishnu)”

    Vishnu Smaran

    Namo Brahmanya devaya go Brahmana hitayacha |
    Jagaddhitaya Shrikrishnaya Govindaya namo namah ||
    Papoham papakarmaham papatma papasambhava |
    Trahimam **pundarikakshyam** sa bahyabhyantarah suchi

    Oh the supreme Lord I bow before you. You are the protector of cow and wise men (Brahmin);
    the Lord of the Universe, with many names Shri Krishna and Govinda, I repeatedly bow to thy feet. You save us from the sin, the act of sin, the sinner and coming evil by purifying us from inside out.

    The word **pundarikakshyam** is especially used to describe ONLY Shri Krishna or Lord Vishnu and NOBODY ELSE…As you can see your scoundrel evangelists used this prayer to Lord Vishnu alias Lord Krishna to somehow refer to the dirty illicitly born sinful hypocrite mamzer jeebus.

  33. Face_The_Truth says:

    http://www.kyroot.com/

    THE “RULE OF 3”

    Conmen-made religions seem to follow a certain formula — a prophet is selected by a God, the prophet is visited by a celestial creature, and then the prophet constructs a holy text.

    Christianity (or Christianism) falls into this category with, for example, Islam (or Islamism) and Mormonism:

    (1) CHRISTIANITY (OR CHRISTIANISM)

    a) Paul the apostle
    b) The archangel Jesus talked to Paul
    c) Paul’s 7 authentic letters which had other letters forged as Paul’s and caused the Gospel books to be written

    (2) ISLAM (OR ISLAMISM)

    a) Muhammad the prophet
    b) Gabriel the archangel talked to Muhammad
    c) The Koran written because Gabriel said what to write in it for a 23 year period

    (3) MORMONISM

    a) Joseph Smith the prophet
    b) Moroni the angel gave Joseph Smith the golden plates temporarily
    c) The Book of Mormon is created using the golden plates which they are copied from

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HVuw1wEuaAQ

    Any religion that follows this formula is fake!

    A real God or Goddess would not isolate his/her contact to a single individual, but rather would communicate his/her presence and expectations on a global scale.

    The fact that Christianity is dependent on the testimony of a single individual making the extraordinary claim of being visited by a celestial creature is proof positive that it is false.

    Similar false and fictitious cases are in Islamism and Mormonism.

    http://www.kyroot.com/

  34. A.H. says:

    “Both Christianity and Islam is false and Ali Sinner is evil!”

    Mere assertions, evidence please!

    “The only true path is Vedas and Hinduism.”

    Another assertion, in Hinduism there is no central authority, any holy_phallus_worshipping_person can have its say. It is just another opinion. The same applies to Islam and Protestantism, it is such a mess!

  35. Raj Sarkar says:

    Both Christianity and Islam is false and Ali Sinner is evil! The only true path is Vedas and Hinduism.

  36. Ron says:

    continued from below
    Testimony of Paravasthu Surya Narayana (Hindu Brahmin Priest)
    One day I was going past a Christian church to observe some of my ritual function.
    It was the Christmas season, so the preaching was relevant.

    Suddenly I heard the words:

    BEHOLD A VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH A CHILD AND SHALL BRING

    FORTH A SON ………,. I stopped abruptly. I could not step forward. I was surprised, afraid, bewildered and every thing. “Is the answer there in the books of Christians”. My heart throbbed to rush forward and meet the preachers, but my religion, traditions, caste, society etc , strictly prohibited me to go forward because we hate Christians. They belong to the lowest community and are untouchables. They should not enter our society, their presence defiles the atmosphere. Christians should not drink water from our wells, they are at our feet. They are our labourers, shoemakers (cobblers) who should eat our leavings. Christians are not allowed to live together with the people of higher community, and so they live in huts at the outskirts of villages. Jesus Christ is called by us as the god of lower race. If I went to the preacher, my own people would shun me from our society, so that I would not bring defilement to my own people. I could not venture to go near the preachers, but called for him. He came running to me with his folded hands. After I asked him a few questions I asked him to give me a Bible. I brought the Bible to my home and hid it in a secret place to avoid the sight of any of our people.

    After midnight’s I got up and read the Bible and started reading it very carefully with the help of an oil lamp on a pretext that I would be sleeping in temple house only. So nobody could find out what I was doing. I began to find many answers to my questions.

    The Bible said: “All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God”. So I understood that I was a sinner and I had no right to make people bow down before me. I protested to my elders and sternly restricted people in kneeling down before me. I began to understood about the real deity without any sin. In the Christian Gospel according to John c8 v46 Jesus Christ challenged this world “Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?”. It is written in 1 Timothy c1v5 that “Jesus Christ came in to the world to save sinners….”. and I found many other scriptures like that. I came to know about the real God and I found the answers to my questions in the Bible. Things which our Vedas and religious books could not answer. I confessed my sins at the feet of the Lord Jesus Christ. I received Jesus as my personal saviour and Lord. Sadly my own people became my enemies. But I am sure they will come to know the truth and pave their way to eternity.

    What about you dear reader ? Will you choose Jesus or mere religion ? Heaven or Hell ?. There is no compulsion, it is your own choice, light or darkness. If you feel as if you are at the end of your rope – try Jesus.

  37. Ron says:

    Testimony of Paravasthu Surya Narayana (Hindu Brahmin Priest)

    I come from a Brahmin family and we are very particular in observing every tradition of our caste. We are the priests in the temples and are the agents of

    uncountable gods and goddesses. We are considered as the incarnations of these gods and so people who did not bow down before us would not go to heaven (Moksha). People are afraid of us and we are able to order them and people obey every kind of moral and immoral order we passed. We have a hold in every aspect of their personal lives, including matrimonial, betrothal, espousing, the first union of bride and bride groom etc., We utilise every occasion for our own benefits and lusts. The superstitious people would never utter a single word against us and we earned gold, lands and treasures.

    I was very proud of addressing myself as the grandson of “PARAVASTHU

    CHINNAYASURI” one of the most famous Telugu poets. He wrote the famous books “NEETICHANDRIKA” & “MITRABEDHAM” in which there are moral stories.

    We used to go to river early in the morning and worship the sun (which I later came to know was created by God). At that time we used to utter the words which are derived from one of our ethics (Vedas): “PAPOHAM” (I am a sinner). “PAPATMA” (My spirit is sinful). “PAPAKARMAHA” (My deeds are sinful). “PAPASAMBHAVA” (I was born in sin). We used to utter these words without considering the meaning of the words for we thought about our selves that we are holyand sinless. I was surprised to think that I was a sinner.

    As I went through our Vedas I found in one of them this statement:

    “SARWA PAPA PARIHARO RAKTHA PROKSHANAM AVASHYAM THAD RAKTHA PARAMATMENA PONYADANA BALIYAGAM”

    (For the expiation (or remission) of every sin there should be blood shed and that blood should belong to a divine person who is holy and without any sin or curse). On reading these words I started searching all our religious books and Vedas but no god of ours was sinless. Brahma, whom we called the creator, had lusty desire against the woman whom he had created. For that the woman cursed him and he lost one of his three heads. All the ten incarnations of Vishnu Murthy (another god) are because of curses, for one or another reason. Some of his ten incarnations were: pig, fish, tortoise, lion in the shape of a man etc. I wondered if there was not such a holy god who’s blood was worthy to be shed. In one of our ethics, I read that a virgin would bring forth a son who is sinless and worthy to shed his holy blood for the forgiveness of sins. But I found nobody in our books who is sinless and with out a blemish. I was very disappointed about this. I also consulted our great so-called wise elders, who could not explain this to me. Later I came I read in our books that one would come to rule the whole world. But I had been seeking answers for my unsolved questions.

    One day I was going past a Christian church to observe some of my ritual function…

  38. continuum says:

    Ron says:
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    He died for our sins.
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    Now lets see if SUICIDAL RITUAL is consistent with the belief in a perfect almighty God.

    A perfect almighty God can be though of to have the following attributes.

    1. Omniscience
    2. Absolute independence in any act
    3. No defects like human beings have jealousy or making mistakes or being a mental retard or one with mentl disorders.

    Being a perfect almighty God, He is

    1. Sole judge
    2. sole Jury
    3. Sole executioner of punishment and rewards.

    Being so, whom did this God want to convince to forgive his own creation through this ghastly bloody suicidal sacrifice of mamzer jeebus?

    Only Himself.

    So the christian claim is that a perfect almighty God, in order to convince Himself to forgive His own creation, sacrificed allegedly His so called son, the mamzer jeebus to save the humanity from His own judgment.

    Now, I am appalled as to why christians cannot see the stupidity of this claim.

    Here almighty God has to merely suspend His judgment in order to save humanity and yet He demands a suicidal torturous bloody sacrifice to save humanity. Is this God unable to forgive without bloody painful torturous sacrifices? What does it say about this God except He is a sadistic violent fellow. Hence this belief is inconsistent with a belief in a perfect almighty God.

    To trump it, christians believe that mamzer jeebus is also god Himself or equal person with god the father. This is even worse, for here one person of god is satisfied by a bloody suicidal ritual sacrifice of another person of god. Here, the persons of god is shown to be a sado-masochist.

    Sadomasochism is the giving or receiving pleasure from acts involving the receipt or infliction of pain or humiliation.

    Mamzer jeebus is definitely a sado-masochist, for he thinks his torturous death will save others and thereby receives pleasure or satisfaction.

    god the father is also another sado-masochist for he receives satisfaction by giving punishment and inflicting pain to god the son. Thus god the father forgives his own creation after being satisfied through infliting torturous pain and death to his son.

    CLEARLY, THE TRINITY OF CHRISTIANITY IS A SADO-MASOCHIST BUNCH OF THREE…NOT LOGICALLY CONSISTENT WITH A BELIEF IN A PERFECT almighty God.

    HENCE MAMZER JEEBUS’ BELIEF AND CHRISTIAN BELIEF IS ILLOGICAL AND IMPOSSIBLE TO BE TRUE AS IT IS LOGICALLY INCONSISTENT. This proves christianity is a false belief based on suicidal delusional belief of a mental retard mamzer jeebus and no matter how many so called witnesses Ron posts, it still remains a falsehood ONLY.

  39. continuum says:

    Ron says:
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    He died for our sins.
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    THE FOUNDATION OF CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON SUICIDAL BEHAVIOR..Mamzer jeebus is a suicidal delusional mental retard…

    BOOK Title: “Suicide by Cop: Committing Suicide by Provoking Police to Shoot You”

    Authors: By Mark Lindsay, David Lester

    “Karin Andriolo (1998) has described a number of cultures in which people commit suicide by getting other to kill them…………**This method of committing suicide has been called indirect suicide, vicarious suicide, or masked suicide. Masked suicide is a public performance, and therefore, a public property.** The suicide conforms to the cultural norms and values and thus confirms them. **The suicidal person of this type also does not act impulsively, but rather seeks a cause, and the scenario offers solemnity, symbolism, and purpose. The ritual induces control and calmness in the suicide.**”

    WHAT JEEBUS DID IS INDIRECT SUICIDE AS PER ABOVE DEFINITION. INSTEAD OF SUICIDE BY COP, JEEBUS COMMITTED SUICIDE BY ROMAN SOLDIERS. The symbolism of jeebus’ death is sacrificial lamb, purpose is saving the world from sins…..Jeebus knew he will die and yet did not escape death….This is suicidal behavior clearly…

    GOSPEL VERSES AS EVIDENCE FOR JEEBUS PLANNING SUICIDE FOR LONG TIME

    John 10:15 Young’s Literal Translation

    according as the Father doth know me, and I know the Father, and my life I lay down for the sheep,

    John 10:11

    “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

    John 10:17

    The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life–only to take it up again.

    John 10:18

    No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

    THESE VERSES CLEARLY SHOW THAT JEEBUS WAS PLANNING INDIRECT SUICIDE THROUGH RITUAL SACRIFICE, SUICIDE BY ROMAN SOLDIERS. JEEBUS SIMPLY MASKED HIS SUICIDE WITH GRANDIOSE CLAIMS WHICH IS TYPICAL FOR PEOPLE WHO COMMIT INDIRECT SUICIDE.

  40. continuum says:

    Ron says:
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    He died for our sins.
    ====================

    Mamzer jeebus’ suicidal death cannot pay for anybody’s sins, including the sins of mamzer jeebus himself. Mamzer jeebus dies in vain for the following reasons..

    1. Mamzer jeebus is sinful himself, because

    a.) as noted before he is born through adultery…see my arguments in support of this position below. A mamzer is sinful as per ur own bible..

    A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
    — Deuteronomy 23:2

    b.) Mamzer jeebus has laid the seeds of hatred against Jews and non-believers and is responsible for all the genocide carried out by christians against Jews and non-believers throughout history through inquisition etc. Again see my post below in support of my argument.

    Hence, a sinful person, like mamzer jeebus, cannot help other sinners, just like a person fallen in a deep well cannot hope to save others fallen in other deep wells.

    2.It is illogical to claim that suicide by somebody can help anybody. Mamzer jeebus, out of delusion that he is son of some demon god, imagined his death would save somebody. This is a delusional mental retard.

    The christian theory is that mamzer jeebus is almighty god. Hence, in this christian framework, mamzer jeebus is the sole judge, jury and executor. Whom does almighty god need to convince to forgive his creation, except himself? Under this assumption (making an ass out of people), jeebus accepted suicidal torture on himself (suicide by Roman soldiers) in order to convince himself to forgive his own creation. Why would an almighty god kill himself in order to convince himself to forgive his own creation? This is the height insanity….No sane man can believe in this sort absurd foolish suicidal god theories.

    he christian theory is that mamzer jeebus is almighty god. Hence mamzer jeebus is the sole judge, jury and executor. Whom does almighty god need to convince to forgive his creation, except himself? Under this assumption (making an ass out of people), jeebus accepted suicidal torture on himself (suicide by Roman soldiers) in order to convince himself to forgive his own creation. Why would an almighty god kill himself in order to convince himself to forgive his own creation? This is the height insanity….No sane man can believe in this sort absurd foolish theories.

  41. continuum says:

    Ron says:
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    You will NEVER find any evil in the teachings of Jesus.
    Jesus NEVER sinned. Period.
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    2. Second, mamzer Jeebus was born in sin through adulterous SEXUAL INTERCOURSE of Mary, jeebus’ mother.

    1. Mamzer jeebus has 9 months gestation period like any other normal child. Why would God who allegedly made adulterous mary pegnant miraculously could not do miracle of making 9 month gestation period disappear? This is a valid question. Why only conception is miraculous, while there are no other miracles in gestation period or mamzer jeebus’ actual birth process?

    Clearly human sperm is involved in conception of adulterous mary leading to her 9 month gestation period for only human sperm leads to 9 months gestation period. This is clear pointer to adultery of mary and illicit borth of jeebus.

    2. Why angels appeared ONLY to Mary face to face and informed her about her conception? Clearly mary weaved a story to hde her illicit sexual contacts..

    3. Why angels did not appear to Joseph earlier and inform him about Mary’s pregnancy? It is after Joseph’s decision to divorce adulterous mary did angels appear ONLY in a dream (NOT face to face)? Why? These claims are clearly suspicious. Joseph simply lied to hide illicit sexual intercourse of mary in order to avoid stoning.

    All the above points clearly show that mamzer jeebus was born through adultery ONLY. Only demonic natured souls are born through adultery and even your bible agrees that a mamzer is sinful.

    A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
    — Deuteronomy 23:2

  42. continuum says:

    Ron says:
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    You will NEVER find any evil in the teachings of Jesus.
    Jesus NEVER sinned. Period.
    ===========================================

    1. On the contrary, it is demonic bastard hypocrite jeebus who laid the seeds of anti-semitism (sowing seeds of hatred against jews, example of evil) and is responsible for all the genocide committed (evil again, his teachings against Jews as sons of satan lead to genocide of jews for last 2000 years) against Jews in history.

    Demon son jeebus calls Jews as sons of devil, sowing seeds of Jew hatred…..name calling…

    “Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8.43-47)

    Jeebus wishes death and torture for his enemies, the jews…Bastard jeebus wishes eternal hell for jews….so much for love…

    “The children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 8.12)

    Bastard Jeebus calls Jews as the murderers of prophets, just like QURAN CALLS the Jews

    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.” (Matthew 23.37,38) Then answered all the people (Jews) and said, “His blood be on us and on our children” (Matthew 27:25). 1 “But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten” (Mark 13.9)

    “Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allah aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?” Quran. 2:91

  43. continuum says:

    Ron,

    Your dirty pious lies on Lord Krishna has been already disproved from Hindu scriptural references. No matter how many times you quote these lies, it won’t work…

    Ron says:
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    There is a difference between forgiveness and judgement. Jesus said to forgive your enemies and bless and love those who hate and hurt you.
    This does not mean that the perpetrator of crime does not get judgement in afterlife.
    =====================================

    Your pious christian LIES cannot stand logical reasoning. How is “forgiveness” different from “judgment (NOTE my correct spelling, it ain’t “judgement”)”. Aren’t you some third world idiot who does not know ow to spell correctly?

    You forgive somebody after judging and determining that person’s actions being wrong. There is forgiveness only after judging somebody’s actions and character.

    So if you take a court as an example, a judge may find a person guilty of a crime and may “forgive” that person from legal punishment, if the crime was committed under extenuating circumstances, like killing a person for self-protection. An example would a murderous rapist invading a woman’s house and the woman shot the rapist dead to protect herself.

    So it is clear that forgiveness comes only after judgment. One who judges souls for eternal hell, he/she/it is most definitely NOT forgiving in any way.

    If mamzer jeebus asked the victims (his followers) themselves to forgive wrong doers or perpetrators, then why could mamzer jeebus not forgive the perpetrators? Mamzer jeebus wants his followers to forgive others, but he himself will judge harshly and punish eternally perpetrators.

    You just confirmed that YOUR BASTARD mAN-gOD JEEBUS is nothing but a certified HYPOCRITE…

  44. continuum says:

    Ron Says:
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    Dr Sai Krishna who was a Hindu Brahmin had through out his life the advantages of being born in the highest class Brahmin and getting those privileges.
    ================================

    Just from seeing the face of the guy, one can say this fellow Dr Sai Krishna is NO BRAHMIN at all. This is clear evidence that christians are con artists and liars…

  45. Ron says:

    Dr Sai Krishna who was a Hindu Brahmin had through out his life the advantages of being born in the highest class Brahmin and getting those privileges.

    He knew and felt that this Varna system with its Hindu origin from Manu was totally discriminatory and he came to know Christ from his students.

    He became a Christian as he could not find anything more superior to the teachings of Jesus.

  46. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Ron_the_Christian_M*****F*****:

    STOP LYING YOU CHRISTIAN MOTH**F**KER.

    I KNOW YOUR CHRISTIAN HISTORY.

  47. Ron says:

    There is a difference between forgiveness and judgement.
    Jesus said to forgive your enemies and bless and love those who hate and hurt you.
    This does not mean that the perpetrator of crime does not get judgement in afterlife.
    Following Jesus’s words ensure that the Christian (person who follows Christ) who forgives and blesses his enemies is assured of heaven in afterlife. The enemy who has been forgiven by the Christian even after perpetrating/dishing out hate/torture sometimes sees the truth of Christ and comes to the saving grace of Jesus. His sins are forgiven and he is now a new creation (born-again spiritually but not a natural rebirth) in Christ.
    You will NEVER find any evil in the teachings of Jesus.
    Jesus NEVER sinned. Period. He died for our sins. When you accept Jesus then this revelation becomes clear to you.
    Watch how Dr. Suresh Ramachandran a staunch Hindu who hated Christ and Christianity came to Christ.

  48. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for Continuum:

    The most obvious — as well as irritating — aspect about Ron_the_Christian_M*****F***** is he lies again and again — even after being caught in his non-stop Christian lies when you point out each and every time!

    Non-believers of Christianism already know that Christianism is based on one historical lie after another and if there’s no lie there’s no Christianism.

    Christians pretend that they are messengers of love and non-believers are people hate!

    But, if you study any devout Christian mindset deeply, you will realize the opposite is true in reality.

    Christians are motivated by greed, perversion, and knowingly spreading falsehoods of their fictitious belief system.

    Plus, Christians make friendship with Muslims for having similar ideological backgrounds and history!

    Medieval Christians did not finish the Crusades in order to allow medieval Muslims to murder all Pagans in Asian continent who did not subscribe either to Christianism or to Islamism during middle ages.

    However, diabolical Christian geo-political plans during medieval time backfired when medieval Muslims started attacking their Christian host-countries as well as for the utter extinguishment of diabolical Christian strategy of murdering all Pagans in Asian continent due to very surprising or comet-like appearance of a Pagan war-lord named Genghis Haan who slaughtered medieval Muslims on a grand scale on the medieval world stage.

    When Christian Church was a political power, Christian Church did not treat non-believers mercifully; but, when Christian Church lost its political power, Christian Church has turned into a giant propaganda machine by whitewashing its bloody, gory, genocidal history!

    Apparently, in spite of all historical evidences, it is quite unfortunate to say that there are enough $uckers out there all over the world who will fall for either Christianism or Islamism in every minute.

  49. continuum says:

    This Hindu man read the Vedas and the Upanishads and found Christ.

    If you sincerely search for God, you will find Christ.
    ====================================================

    Just like the stupid mooslimes, idiot christians have started making fake claims….Neither Vedas nor Upanishads say anything remotely close to dirty adultery born mamzer jeebus….These are dirt pious lies of created by the dirty adultery born followers of mamzer jeebus.

  50. continuum says:

    Jesus was a False Prophet by Rachel-Esther bat-Avraham

  51. Ron says:

    This is a HIndu hardcore RSS leader who became Christian.

    The love of Christ can change any person even if he is full of hatred of Christ

  52. Face_The_Truth says:

    “….because these guys are already protestants, distorted mind and brained washed against R.C.”

    Oh please, how stupid can you be?

    In your deluded Christian mindset, anyone correctly pointing out falsehoods and forgeries inherent in Christianity or Christianism must be a “distorted mind and brained washed against R.C.”

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    LINK

    http://infidels.org/library/modern/keith_parsons/whynotchristian.html

    LINK

    http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html

    LINK

    http://www.drabruzzi.com/ZINDLER-JESUS.PDF

    LINK

    https://orphicplatonism.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/jesus-christ-an-artifice-for-aggression-by-sita-ram-goel.pdf

    LINK

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/

    LINK

    http://www.i4m.com/think/bible/historical_jesus.htm

    LINK

    http://www.kyroot.com/

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  53. MannyT says:

    Face the truth , in your list of christians turned athest , there are no roman catholics why?,,,because these guys are already protestants .destorted mind and brained washed against R.C.

  54. Ron says:

    This Hindu man read the Vedas and the Upanishads and found Christ.

    If you sincerely search for God, you will find Christ.

  55. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for screen-name Passive_Observer:

    http://www.kyroot.com/

    THE OLD TESTAMENT DOES NOT PROPHECIZE A CRUCIFIED MESSIAH

    There was nothing in the world of Judaism, the religion that Jesus followed, to indicate that the promised Messiah would be crucified.

    The prophecies in Isaiah 53, Psalm 22:16, Daniel 10, and Isaiah 9:6 have nothing to do with Jesus, but rather refer to events occurring well before Jesus was born.

    The references to these prophecies by the Gospel writers are out of context and completely mistaken.

    In their zeal to legitimize the Christian faith, Gospel writers cherry-picked whatever they could find to show that the Messiah was supposed to be crucified.

    Any Jew, then or now, even Jesus himself, did not believe that the Messiah would be crucified as a common criminal, but rather the Messiah would overcome the powers of the world and establish a new Kingdom of Israel.

    http://www.kyroot.com/

    IF YOU ARE NOT A JEW, YOU CANNOT BE A FOLLOWER OF JESUS

    Jesus was a Jew and supported the Jewish laws and traditions, though Jesus might have softened some of the more stringent rules.

    Nevertheless, if you do not observe the HALAKHA, the collective body of Jewish religious laws, you cannot consider yourself to be a follower of Jesus.

    — If you do not attend synagogue, you cannot be a follower of Jesus.

    — If you do not observe the Sabbath, from Friday evening to Saturday evening, you cannot be a follower of Jesus.

    — If you do not observe the requirement of circumcision, you cannot be a follower of Jesus.

    — If you do not observe the KOSHER dietary rules, you cannot be a follower of Jesus.

    To summarize, you can consider yourself to be a Christian, but you are not a follower of Jesus.

    If Jesus could observe your life, Jesus would not consider you to be his disciple.

    You are not a follower of the real Jewish Jesus!

    Instead, you are a follower of the fictional Jesus created by Paul, the Gospel authors, the Emperor Constantine, and all the popes and religious leaders over the past 20 centuries.

    http://www.kyroot.com/

  56. @ Face the Truth.
    I have a fascination for the seekers of truth, not because Jesus said to a King of the Roman Empire “Everyone who is of the truth listens carefully to my voice”. (John 18:37) and many followed him including Gandhi, Lincoln, Mandela, Einstein etc.
    //“Let’s face the harsh truth, if you take away the schools, hospitals, orphanages, convents, homeless-shelters from Christianism, Christianism will be in a worse position than Communism was in late 1980’s!”//

    I agree with the above statement of my guru Face the Truth who cannot make a false statement. Christians would become like a dog whose tail is between two legs. When I asked my silly Christian friends who believe in the mortal man Jesus, they too said that my guru was correct, “Only thing is that Christianity is built on two pillars ‘loving God and loving man’ and Jesus died as a redeemer of mankind. And from here springs the Christian civilization. As long as the poor, the marginalised, the destitute are in the world millions of Christian NGOs and 700,000 nuns would continue to work. As long as wars are there The Red Cross will continue to look after the refugees, the dead and the wounded. They said the French revolution has nothing to do with Christians’ humanitarian work. Florence Nightingale a young girl, remain unmarried, dedicated her life to Jesus, undressed the unknown Crimean soldiers, applied medicine and thus pioneered the Nursing Industry. Today billions of people are benefiting from her.
    I don’t know when my great guru is going to declare that there will not be any poor or any war.

  57. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for screen-name Steve:

    The Republic of India has overtaken Christian imperialist power Great Britain after only over 100 years now!

    Yet, wealthy Indians do not pay enough taxes to improve their glorious nation of 10,000 years of history of human civilization.

    “Score one for the post-colonial underdog.

    India’s economy has reportedly overtaken the United Kingdom’s for the first time in over 100 years, now standing as the world’s sixth-largest economy by GDP after the United States, China, Japan, Germany, and France.”

    LINK

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/20/india-overtakes-britain-as-the-worlds-sixth-largest-economy/

  58. Steve says:

    + Face the truth

    The taxes are necessary to fund the needs of the society. They are what pay for the infrastructure and social institutions which mean you live in a modern and fair society – and not in a state of nature. The anarchists if they do not want to pay the taxes can leave and choose to live in the anarchist paradise of …. Somalia! Where paying taxes are going to be the least of their worries! Of course the other option is they can stay – and go to prison for tax evasion.

  59. Face_The_Truth says:

    This message is for screen-name Steve:

    There are things in any society that non-profit organizations cannot do and for-profit organizations will not do, and where government must intervene by taxing wealthy and profit-makers in order to finance public needs.

    However, I personally do not like government interventions beyond that are of minimal in necessity and nature!

    I like allowing non-profit organizations to serve many public-needs as far as possible.

    In the case of Christianism, since the defeat of Christian Church during the French Revolution, Christianism has lost its political power in North America and Europe and, due to that loss of political power, Christianism tends to survive to this day by running schools, hospitals, orphanages, convents, homeless-shelters, etc. in order to stay relevant.

    Let’s face the harsh truth, if you take away the schools, hospitals, orphanages, convents, homeless-shelters from Christianism, Christianism will be in a worse position than Communism was in late 1980’s!

    Today, as we all know, Communism has taken its place in the museums of the annals of human civilization; but, Christianism will take its place in the dustbins of history if you forcibly take away the social-services organizations that Christianism runs to this day.

  60. Steve says:

    Ron you said
    “Communists
    This is because the rich classes are not sharing their wealth with poor and are plundering the poor. We need to overthrow the rich even if it means by violence and snatch their wealth and give it to the poor via the state.” Now Ron you talk a lot about the homeless, the poor, the disabled, prisoners etc. Do you think that private charities can run the hospitals, the schools, the shelters for the homeless, give food and housing to the poor, battered women and children, the justice system etc. Do you think the rich are just going to give to private charities out of the kindness of their fucking hearts or something? Or do you think governments have to tax them to fund these projects?

  61. Ron says:

    Ask these same questions to other religions and you will get answers like below
    Sikhism
    Our guru and god says we can give them food provided they come to the gurdwara and there don’t say no to any body.

    Hinduism
    Our god says it is because of Karma so these poor bad people are paying for their bad deeds in the earlier life.
    It is because they are Shudras born from the arse or legs of Brahma so they are destined to be poor.
    They need to appease the god of wealth (luxmi) etc. by doing rituals (pujas and fire sacrifices) by giving money to the Brahmin priests

    Islam
    This is Allah’s wish that they should be that way. They need to be converted to Islam and then only you should give them food and help them out of our collection of zakat (2.5%).

    Animists and tribal religions
    They need to appease the tree and plant god and the witch doctors.

    Communists
    This is because the rich classes are not sharing their wealth with poor and are plundering the poor. We need to overthrow the rich even if it means by violence and snatch their wealth and give it to the poor via the state.

    Atheists and Liberals
    Darwin’s law of natural selection and survival of the fittest is applicable to this scenario,
    We know there is no god. We must first help ourselves and secure ourselves and then if we have something leftover we may choose to give these unfortunate people provided that they don’t believe in god. These people who believe in god are the real reason why this world is in a mess. If nobody believed in god, then there won’t be any hungry person on the planet.

    Lastly you ask the Christian and he will say:
    When God (Jesus) created the world and the first man and woman everything was perfect. Man, and woman could live a long life of abundance, joy and peace. God gave man and the woman the free-will. He wanted them to love him out of their free-will (where they could choose not to obey or love God).

    But man, sinned as he disobeyed God and thus fell from grace and this sin (or tendency to sin) is there in every human. (So, evident that even a small toddler feels jealous when his mother picks up/nurses another toddler). We are living in a sinful world and we are all sinners and can only be redeemed from our sins by accepting Jesus (who died for our sins and was a perfect sacrifice (because he never sinned)) as our personal saviour and thus we are saved by His grace.
    We all can be generous sometimes, or many times but when we accept Jesus sincerely this generosity is extended to all as Jesus clearly said that whatever you do to the least of my brethren that you do unto me.

    The only faith in the whole world which has a prison ministry in almost all countries of the world (including Muslim countries) is Christianity.
    1. Why believe in Jesus?
    1) It was foretold in the Bible that he (Messiah) would be born of a virgin, born in Bethlehem, do miracles, die and rise again. Plus, there are many more prophecies not mentioned here due to lack…

  62. madfijian says:

    Ron let me please break it down for you in some big numbers so that you can understand. 9m yes 9m children die each year from hunger,war,illnesses of the 3rd world and other causes. Yes that is over 24000 kids each day. Most of these kids die when their parents are still alive. Don’t you think most if not all these parents would have prayed for their kids to be saved. why is your God not saving this children. According to the UN 795 million people go to bed hungry every night out of which 350million are children. Why is your God not answering the prayers of these people. Every year at least 370 people on average die in a plane crash. Do you not think that these folks whose plane is going down are not praying.What is the difference between praying and God saving a cancer sufferer through the prayer and saving a plane full of people who are plunging to their death. Is your God selective in who he saves.What makes you so special Ron that Jesus answers your prayers and not of the 9m kids who loose their lives every year. I hope you get the point.
    By the way why has prayer not grown a limb back ever. There are so many folks in Rwanda who lost there hands why cant they be grown back through prayer. It always seems to heal some hidden disease like cancer that most definitely has the sufferer treating it in a multitude of ways.

    If there is indeed a God who does nothing when a monster like Hitler gasses 6m Jews and than chooses to answer your prayer than he is a fucking monster. I would rather side with the “devil” in the Bible than your God as at least what you see is what you get.

    Of course the simpler answer to all this as Steve would put it is he does not exist. I on the other hand simply say i do not know. One thing i am sure of though is that the God Christians, Muslims and Jews worship if existed would be a useless retard though I am sure that he does not exist in the context of these 3 religions.

  63. Face_The_Truth says:

    World’s Christians believe in Jesus F**king Christ for NOT curing their disease of Christianism of f**king around with non-believers of Jesus F**king Christ all over the world.

    So, now let’s study carefully how Christian God actually cured or capable of curing any disease anywhere and anytime in our known or recorded history!

    http://www.kyroot.com/

    CHRISTIAN GOD’S METHOD FOR CURING LEPROSY

    We should expect the “Super Holy” Bible to contain great medical wisdom from the infinitely intelligent, all-knowing Christian God, so whatever we can glean from its pages, we should take heed, and use this wisdom to solve our problems — one of which is leprosy, or other skin diseases.

    Luckily, the “Super Holy” Bible contains the means of curing this affliction:

    LEVITICUS 14:1-7

    ‘The Lord said to Moses, these are the regulations for any diseased person at the time of their ceremonial cleansing, when they are brought to the priest: The priest is to go outside the camp and examine them. If they have been healed of their defiling skin disease, the priest shall order that two live clean birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop be brought for the person to be cleansed. Then the priest shall order that one of the birds be killed over fresh water in a clay pot. He is then to take the live bird and dip it, together with the cedar wood, the scarlet yarn and the hyssop, into the blood of the bird that was killed over the fresh water. Seven times he shall sprinkle the one to be cleansed of the defiling disease, and then pronounce them clean. After that, he is to release the live bird in the open fields.’

    No one today, except perhaps some crazy Christian fundamentalists, would attempt to cure leprosy using this method.

    Why is that?

    Because we understand the underlying cause of the affliction and further realize that magical ceremonies will do nothing to alleviate the destructive problem.

    Most Christians will dismiss this portion of their “Super Holy” Bible by simply ignoring it, but not realize at the same time that most Christians are tacitly admitting that their Christian God never gave this prescription in the first place — for if their Christian God did, their Christian God would be peddling a hocus-pocus scam.

    So what is actually being admitted is that this ‘cure’ was made up by superstitious and badly-misinformed men and that this nonsense somehow made it into the “Super Holy” Bible Christians carry around all of the time.

    Christians would have to acknowledge that Christian God allowed this embarrassment to Christian God’s intelligence to be documented for all future generations!

    That is why Christians don’t think about it.

    It is easier to remain blissfully unaware.

    http://www.kyroot.com/

  64. Steve says:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iwROndlBEjM Ron See this. Your God doesn’t answer prayers – he leaves people to suffer and die he has no more conscience and compassion than a psychopathic contract killer. “It was a man and he was begging, and pleading, and praying, I guess. And he was ‘Please, God’n all over the place. So I told him he could have a half an hour to pray to God and if God could come down and change the circumstances, he’d have that time. But God never showed up and he never changed the circumstances and that was that. It wasn’t too nice. That’s one thing, I shouldn’t have done that one. I shouldn’t have done it that way”

  65. Steve says:

    Ron you said “Watch the testimony and have faith in the only true God who answers when you sincerely search for Him.” Prayer doesn’t do jack. The Christians have no better survival rate for things such as cancer than any other faith (or lack of faith) group. Millions are suffering every day no God does nothing or as Richard says “God didn’t show up” and the reason is, is because he doesn’t exist.

    https://m.youtu.be/iwROndlBEjM

  66. Ron says:

    This lady shows her skin disease which no doctor (Allopathic, Ayurvedic or Homeopathic) could treat.
    No hindu god could heal in spite of visiting temples and no muslim god could heal in spite of visiting mosques.

    Here she shows her serious condition before and her condition after her miraculous cure (by Jesus).
    Her medical certificates are available for checking out the authenticity of her claim.

    All her neighbours attest to her healing.
    Watch the testimony and have faith in the only true God who answers when you sincerely search for Him.

  67. Ron says:

    Hindu Brahmin girl very intelligent and highly educated Dr Preeti Krishnan ( Phd Doctrate ) finds Jesus in a remarkable way

  68. Face_The_Truth says:

    http://www.kyroot.com/

    CONVERSIONS FROM CHRISTIAN TO ATHEIST

    Whenever an atheist mentions that many Christians are converting to atheism, Christians will counter with stories of atheists who have became Christians.

    But this is a false equivalency.

    If Christianity is true, then dedicated followers have a supernatural source reinforcing their beliefs, making apostasy unlikely!

    However, if atheism is true, atheists have no such agency supporting their beliefs, making conversion less problematic.

    Here is a list of former Christian leaders who have recently become outspoken atheists:

    Jerry DeWitt — FORMER PASTOR, NOW DIRECTOR OF THE CLERGY PROJECT

    John Loftus — FORMER PASTOR, NOW AUTHOR AND BLOGGER

    Seth Andrews — FORMER CHRISTIAN RADIO BROADCASTER, NOW ATHEIST PODCASTER & AUTHOR

    Dan Barker — FORMER EVANGELICAL MUSICIAN, NOW CO-DIRECTOR OF FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION

    Michael Shermer — FORMER EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN, NOW SKEPTIC AND AUTHOR

    THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE DISCUSSES THE RECENT DECLINE OF CHRISTIANITY IS THE UNITED STATES:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/12/christianity-faces-sharp-decline-as-americans-are-becoming-even-less-affiliated-with-religion/

    It is significant that a large number of pastors and evangelical Christians have departed from their Christian faith.

    As an analogy, suppose there are two groups of people, one believing in biological evolution and one believing in Christian creationism.

    Given that new evidence supporting biological evolution is accumulating every year, is it more likely that biological evolutionists would become Christian creationists or that Christian creationists would become biological evolutionists?

    The growing evidence for evolution is analogous to the supernatural agency that Christians would enjoy if Christianity was true!

    Not only are conversions from Christian to atheist outnumbering the reverse conversions, but each of these individual conversions is more significant with respect to the relative probability of the truth of these two belief systems.

    http://www.kyroot.com/

  69. Ron says:

    Madifjan,
    I have been in your shoes and did good deeds and was generous even before I accepted Christ. When you have Christ in you then you would automatically (not out of compulsion or because of being ordered to do) become more compassionate, and more generous , more loving and more caring.
    Why do you think that 90 percent of fostering of kids (wards of the state) is done by Christians? Why don’t you see Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists and Hindus doing it?
    Adoption of kids from another race (e.g White parents adopting black kids) is done predominantly by Christians.
    Fostering /Adoption of kids (multiple siblings) is again primarily done by Christians.
    Right now in Haiti it is only the Christian NGOs who are still involved in earthquake relief work secular NGOs are missing.
    We had a Doctor who was the Vice-President of the Atheist association in UK who became a Christian. He had all the reasons like you to be atheist like religion to be in conflict with science etc. But what changed him was that his own patient who had AIDS and was taking treatment under him, suddenly declared that she is cured by Jesus as she received the Holy Spirit. He just could not believe until he saw the evidence of the medical report which declared her to be HIV negative.
    I told you that I will network and find out someone in Suva or Nadi who got converted in a remarkable way. Will you do the part of discerning, checking out the facts and then trying out Jesus if your vetting turns ok according to you?
    Unless we have Christ in us, we will never be able to forgive anyone even your own brother.
    When Christ is in you, forgiveness is natural.
    When you have Christ in you, you will not be able to pass by a hungry homeless guy and go into a restaurant and have a bite. Without any compulsion from anyone, your inner conscience will drive you to feed him.
    I apologize if my words have hurt you, but my intent was only to open your eyes to the truth of Christ.
    Watch this testimony about someone who hated Christ, Christians, Christianity intensely but then…

  70. Steve says:

    +Think outside the box/Ron

    “Osama Bin Laden’s followers are not persecuted for their conversion of faith. They kill others for their faith and in the process don’t mind dying (suicide) for their faith. They are the Persecutors and not the Persecuted.
    So they just cannot be compared to converts to Christianity wherein the new converts are persecuted by their own of previous faith, by the majority religion in the society around them and by the state.
    Unless you remove this evil hatred in you, you will not be able to see the difference.” Irrelevant Ron. Have you heard of Bahaullah and the Baha’i faith? This guy and his family was thrown in a dungeon and many of his followers was killed tortured and killed in the most extreme ways. (The same was true of his predecessor the bab who himself was shot to death by a firing squad at the ripe old age of 30). Even today in Iran these people are killed despite this most rather die than give up their faith. Following your argument this must mean their ridiculous beliefs are true! By the way these people are non violent and follow all the laws and certainly not terrorists. So it’s irrelevant whether people are terrorists or not. Because humans are willing to die and be tortured for their crazy beliefs doesn’t mean those crazy beliefs are true.

  71. madfijian says:

    Ron/Think outside the box. I find it extremely insulting that you brand me and the likes of others who do not believe in your illogical BS as somehow being evil. We do not feel true compassion just because we do not believe in your suicidal blood thirsty God. How dare you. You have no idea who we are and what we do for the people around us and our community. We do good without the need for Jesus. You do it only because the Bible says so or your God says so. Who is the better person one who is kind and generous without compulsions or one who does it because he or she has been ordered too. Their are countless Hindus, Buddhists,Sikhs, Muslims and Atheist who work for the good of mankind all over the world without Jesus. I watched a BBC documentary recently titled the “Selfless Sikh”. It is the story about a Sikh men who has spent his entire life in the service of others. Just what the hell are you talking about. People of most other faiths do not try and convert people like Christians do. In most cases Christians will help yes but they will be ever so quick to give you this little flyers with verses in them and invite you to join them. You both are obtuse imbeciles living in a fake paradigm of crap and BS. Grow a brain please or start using the one you already have.

  72. Face_The_Truth says:

    http://www.kyroot.com/

    THE BIBLE SPAWNS HUMAN VIOLENCE

    It should be an obviously understood truth that a book inspired by a Christian God would engender the highest ideals of morality and ethics in the people who read and study it.

    Regarding the Christian Bible, the opposite is true.

    The following is taken from:

    http://americanhumanist.org/humanism/Some_Reasons_Why_Humanists_Reject_the_Bible

    A serious problem with the violence and injustice in the Christian Bible is that, all too often, the teachings and example of the biblical Christian God have incited cruel acts by Christian followers.

    Many of them reasoned that since Christian God, who is considered just and loving, committed or approved of the most brutal acts, good Christians need not have qualms about behaving likewise.

    Such logic led the American patriot Thomas Paine to say, “The belief in a cruel [Christian] God makes a cruel [Christian] man.”

    Joseph McCabe’s treatise: “The History of Torture” illustrates the reasoning process.

    McCabe reports that during the Middle Ages, there was more torture used in Christian Europe than in any society in history.

    The main cause of this cruelty was the Christian doctrine of eternal punishment.

    McCabe explains: “If, it was natural to reason, [Christian] God punishes men with eternal torment, it is surely lawful for men to use doses of it in a good cause.”

    Other historical examples of violent and unjust acts supported by Christian biblical teachings include: the Inquisition; the Crusades; the burning of witches; religious wars; pogroms against Jews; persecution of homosexuals; forceful conversions of heathens; slavery; beatings of children; brutal treatment of the mentally ill; suppression of scientists; and whippings, mutilations, and violent executions of persons convicted of crimes.

    Those Christian acts were a regular part of the Christian world for centuries!

    Thomas Paine was entirely justified in saying about the Christian Bible: “It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it as I detest everything that is cruel.”

    The Christian Bible has certainly spawned good behavior as well, but the historically-significant amount of evil behavior negates the credibility of calling it the “Good Book.”

    Further, the Christian Bible strongly suggests that Christianity is the sole creation of primitive and un-enlighted men.

    http://www.kyroot.com/

  73. Think outside the box says:

    Standing firm for their Christian faith or principles even in face of death is a not suicide even if you, out of your hatred call it suicide.

    They had a profound experience, had a baptism of the Holy Spirit and an encounter with Jesus and it gives them the courage to face their persecutors and it sometimes results in the persecutors accepting Christ.

    Watch this video

  74. Think outside the box says:

    Again, you want to smudge the point on purpose or due to the evil in you.
    .
    Osama Bin Laden’s followers are not persecuted for their conversion of faith. They kill others for their faith and in the process don’t mind dying (suicide) for their faith. They are the Persecutors and not the Persecuted.

    So they just cannot be compared to converts to Christianity wherein the new converts are persecuted by their own of previous faith, by the majority religion in the society around them and by the state.

    Unless you remove this evil hatred in you, you will not be able to see the difference.

  75. continuum says:

    Now lets see if SUICIDAL RITUAL is consistent with the belief in a perfect almighty God.

    A perfect almighty God can be though of to have the following attributes.

    1. Omniscience
    2. Absolute independence in any act
    3. No defects like human beings have jealousy or making mistakes or being a mental retard or one with mentl disorders.

    Being a perfect almighty God, He is

    1. Sole judge
    2. sole Jury
    3. Sole executioner of punishment and rewards.

    Being so, whom did this God want to convince to forgive his own creation through this ghastly bloody suicidal sacrifice of mamzer jeebus?

    Only Himself.

    So the christian claim is that a perfect almighty God, in order to convince Himself to forgive His own creation, sacrificed allegedly His so called son, the mamzer jeebus to save the humanity from His own judgment.

    Now, I am appalled as to why christians cannot see the stupidity of this claim.

    Here almighty God has to merely suspend His judgment in order to save humanity and yet He demands a suicidal torturous bloody sacrifice to save humanity. Is this God unable to forgive without bloody painful torturous sacrifices? What does it say about this God except He is a sadistic violent fellow. Hence this belief is inconsistent with a belief in a perfect almighty God.

    To trump it, christians believe that mamzer jeebus is also god Himself or equal person with god the father. This is even worse, for here one person of god is satisfied by a bloody suicidal ritual sacrifice of another person of god. Here, the persons of god is shown to be a sado-masochist.

    Sadomasochism is the giving or receiving pleasure from acts involving the receipt or infliction of pain or humiliation.

    Mamzer jeebus is definitely a sado-masochist, for he thinks his torturous death will save others and thereby receives pleasure or satisfaction.

    god the father is also another sado-masochist for he receives satisfaction by giving punishment and inflicting pain to god the son. Thus god the father forgives his own creation after being satisfied through infliting torturous pain and death to his son.

    CLEARLY, THE TRINITY OF CHRISTIANITY IS A SADO-MASOCHIST BUNCH OF THREE…NOT LOGICALLY CONSISTENT WITH A BELIEF IN A PERFECT almighty God.

    HENCE MAMZER JEEBUS’ BELIEF AND CHRISTIAN BELIEF IS ILLOGICAL AND IMPOSSIBLE TO BE TRUE AS IT IS LOGICALLY INCONSISTENT. This proves christianity is a false belief based on suicidal delusional belief of a mental retard mamzer jeebus and no matter how many so called witnesses Ron posts, it still remains a falsehood ONLY.

  76. continuum says:

    THE FOUNDATION OF CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON SUICIDAL BEHAVIOR..Mamzer jeebus is a suicidal delusional mental retard…

    BOOK Title: “Suicide by Cop: Committing Suicide by Provoking Police to Shoot You”

    Authors: By Mark Lindsay, David Lester

    “Karin Andriolo (1998) has described a number of cultures in which people commit suicide by getting other to kill them…………**This method of committing suicide has been called indirect suicide, vicarious suicide, or masked suicide. Masked suicide is a public performance, and therefore, a public property.** The suicide conforms to the cultural norms and values and thus confirms them. **The suicidal person of this type also does not act impulsively, but rather seeks a cause, and the scenario offers solemnity, symbolism, and purpose. The ritual induces control and calmness in the suicide.**”

    WHAT JEEBUS DID IS INDIRECT SUICIDE AS PER ABOVE DEFINITION. INSTEAD OF SUICIDE BY COP, JEEBUS COMMITTED SUICIDE BY ROMAN SOLDIERS. The symbolism of jeebus’ death is sacrificial lamb, purpose is saving the world from sins…..Jeebus knew he will die and yet did not escape death….This is suicidal behavior clearly…

    GOSPEL VERSES AS EVIDENCE FOR JEEBUS PLANNING SUICIDE FOR LONG TIME

    John 10:15 Young’s Literal Translation

    according as the Father doth know me, and I know the Father, and my life I lay down for the sheep,

    John 10:11

    “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

    John 10:17

    The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life–only to take it up again.

    John 10:18

    No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

    THESE VERSES CLEARLY SHOW THAT JEEBUS WAS PLANNING INDIRECT SUICIDE THROUGH RITUAL SACRIFICE, SUICIDE BY ROMAN SOLDIERS. JEEBUS SIMPLY MASKED HIS SUICIDE WITH GRANDIOSE CLAIMS WHICH IS TYPICAL FOR PEOPLE WHO COMMIT INDIRECT SUICIDE.

  77. continuum says:

    You are a fool “Think outside the box” aka Ron…

    Whether christians face persecution or persecute others is irrelevant…..My logical argument against your stupid claims stay true…Delusions and wrong reasons can drive a person towards death…

    Now whether Bin-Laden persecuted others is irrelevant…What is relevant is even Bin-Laden knew the consequences (namely being tracked, hunted down and shot dead perhaps with torture) of his act (terrorism), and despite having all luxuries (being a millionaire Saudi) he chose the path of death…Here his belief (delusion) made him chose death literally despite having all reasons (luxuries of a millionaire) for living. This is suicidal behavior and a mental disorder for sure.

    Similarly, delusional christians chose the path of death knowingly because of their delusions, namely their belief system….Both muslims and christians have a mental disorder, when they knowingly invite death. A normal person will hide his/her belief system in order to save his life if his belief system unnecessarily invites death threats….However, those christians who openly advertise their belief knowing fully well they will invite death threats are definitely NUTS like those terrorists.

    SECOND, my argument is delusions can drive a person to even accept death like these terrorists. Therefore you cannot use the argument that “since christians accept even death for their belief system (a delusion), therefore christianity is true” as clearly delusions do drive people towards suicidal behavior.

  78. Think outside the box says:

    The difference is that these converted Christians (ex-another faith) face persecution but do NOT retaliate but return hate with love.
    The converts to other religions/gurus/imams like Bin Laden do the persecution and face the repercussions from the state.
    With blind hatred for Christianity you (continuum) obviously cannot see the difference.

    Without Jesus you will only have hatred in you.

  79. cssuntherrao says:

    What a happy husband he’ll be, if a toothbrush or hankerchief will make his wife submissive. Ha ha, what a joker this guy is!

  80. continuum says:

    Ron the mamzer jeebus’ corpse worshiper is surprised that educated men who had everything will accept mamzer jeebus and risk even death threats just for the sake of mamzer jeebus…Hence his conclusion is that mamzer jeebus corpse aka zombie mamzer jeebus must be walking around and making contact with people in dreams and NDEs…and that is why these converted….There are many logical problems with this kind of assumption…His point is since people die for their beliefs, their belief must be necessarily true..ain’t it…. Deductive fallacy…..A non sequitur….Affirming the consequent….

    We can use similar argument for Osama Bin Laden and so many other well educated muslims who joined ISIS despite them having all needs and even luxuries in life. All these terrorists joined ISIS and/or created terrorist organizations knowing fully well that they will be hunted down like animals in the end and shot dead. Yet they risked their lives and gave up all luxuries of life for propagating their belief system. As per Ron’s argument, since these terrorists were prepared to give up their lives for 72 virgins in heaven, therefore Islam and belief 72 virgins must be necessarily true.

    I hope Ron sees his logical fallacy.

    It is irrelevant if the christian harmed others physically or not and had the motive of enjoyment (whatever type) in heaven, or whether the terrorist killed others and had the motive of enjoyment (whatever type) in heaven. Both had heaven as their motivation, both gave up some sort of material comforts in this world and both accepted even death and extreme suffering for their belief in heaven and God. CLEARLY, none of these reasons give sufficient evidence for their belief system.

  81. Ron says:

    Madfijian,
    As usual, you don’t want to watch the videos.

    Why should a sane person who has everything going fine for him leave his religion and accept Christ with the explicit knowledge that he will certainly face death threats, vicious attacks, persecution, jail, and sometimes risk of capital punishment.

    Either he is dumb, insane OR he has a profound experience and encountered the risen Christ and has got the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Now if he is a professional educated guy then you know that he is not dumb and not insane.

    You can NEVER have genuine compassion and genuine love and genuine forgiveness on those who have hurt you without Christ in you.

    As usual you don’t get it or you don’t want to get it and the reason is simple “You don’t have Christ in you”

    I will try and network any convert/s in Suva or Nadi but will you be willing to check out, hear and vet out his testimony?

    For absolutely remarkable testimonies you should meet converts who are facing extreme persecution in mostly Muslim countries and also in North Korea, China, India, Burma, Sri Lanka, and also those who have escaped persecution and are now in the West.

  82. madfijian says:

    Ron my men you have not answered my question as usual. As i said i can show you hundreds if not thousands of people who have left Christianity and joined ISLAM. Did Mohammed come to them as well as. Did they have a profound experience as well. Simply put it is all in the mind Ron. Why did Jesus not stop them from leaving and reveal himself to them so that they would not be swayed by Islam. Just because the modern day Christians are not killing and prosecuting those who leave the faith does not mean they are correct as per their Bible. The bible explicitly requires you to kill the unbeliever. If you want to believe in Jesus as a messiah exclusive of the Bible than fine but stop pretending that all the goodness you seem to equate to him with the Bible. The Bible is one of the most draconian barbaric and dumb books ever written second only to the Quran and it is the holy book of Christians. You cannot refute the facts because the facts are in the book its self go read it.

  83. Face_The_Truth says:

    http://www.kyroot.com/

    GOD’S OVERUSE OF THE DEATH PENALTY

    Today most first-world countries have abolished the death penalty including Canada, Mexico, all of western Europe, Russia, Australia, South Africa, and Argentina to name a few.

    It is used only sparingly in the United States (40-50 per year).

    However, the Jewish God of the Bible had no qualms about capital punishment and demanded it for the following ‘crimes.”

    — Blasphemy (i.e., profaning the divine name) Leviticus 24:16

    — Bestiality (both parties) Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 20:15

    — Homosexuality Leviticus 20:13

    — Pre-marital sex (women only) Deuteronomy 22:20-21

    — Adultery Deuteronomy 22:22 and Leviticus 20:10

    — Wizardry Leviticus 20:27

    — Witchcraft (or poisoning or making potions, depending on the translation)
    Exodus 22:18

    — Spiritualism Leviticus 20:27

    — Making sacrifices to other gods Exodus 22:20

    — Worshipping other gods or heavenly objects Deuteronomy 17:2-5

    — Cursing one’s parents Exodus 21:17, Leviticus 20:9

    — Being a stubborn and rebellious son Deuteronomy 21:18-21

    — Desecrating the Sabbath Exodus 31:14

    http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/da0_skygod.htm

    Jewish prophet Moses hesitated when a man was brought to him for gathering sticks on the Sabbath, but Jewish God had no doubt about what should happen to him.

    Jewish God instructed Moses to have the man stoned to death (Numbers 15:32-36):

    “And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

    And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

    And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

    And the Lord said unto Moses, ‘The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.’

    And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Jewish God commanded Jewish prophet Moses.”

    This is the exact same God that Christians worship every Sunday.

    Most Christians simply overlook how Christian God is portrayed in the scriptures and focus on the soft, feel good passages of their choosing!

    For Christians, it is like eating at a buffet, take what you want, ignore the rest.

    http://www.kyroot.com/

  84. Ron says:

    Madfijian,
    The Bible is a compilation of 66 books written over a span of 1600 years.
    The first book by Moses about 3500 years and the last by apostle John 1900 years ago,
    It is the longest and largest selling bestseller year by year since printing presses were invented. It is also the most translated, most downloaded book in history.

    Most books and articles (apart from Bibles) have been written about Jesus than anyone else in history.
    Jesus is the truth, the way and life and His story and life does offend and anger many people in this forum and outside this forum including which is not surprising.

    If you want to know the truth of Jesus, then you have to challenge Him. He does respond.
    You have never made a point to watch the posted videos, read the testimonies, meet these converts, vet them out. Any amount of evidence may never be enough for a cynic.

    You need to meet people specially the converts to Christianity who have converted and have persecution and death threats and attacks against them.

    If you convert to Christianity you may be subject to death threats from followers of your previous faith/worldview (Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Sikh, Atheism (mainly in North Korea, China) or from your family, or from the local/state /national government (In all Muslim countries, many parts of India etc.).

    If you leave Christianity, you are NEVER persecuted anywhere. Your Christian family may disown you, may pray for you but not go to kill you.

    As I travelled on business and I often met many people who became Christians, remained Christians and preached Christianity boldly in spite of the death threats and attacks, I was surprised.

    Initially I felt that either they were plain stupid and dumb of low IQ to convert and to stick to their new Christian faith and face physical and near-fatal attacks and threat to them and their families.

    On the other hand, I also felt that maybe they had a real profound experience/encounter with God(Jesus) which gave them the courage and strong faith to face persecution. I questioned many of them and now know for sure that their experiences were profound and testimonies were sincere.

    I don’t know people in Fiji but if you are visiting the US (many Cities) I can give you contacts /converts whose testimonies you can check it out and meet them personally.

    Meanwhile watch this video who explains Christianity is a simple way.

  85. madfijian says:

    Ron. Once again you post these videos that show conversions to Christianity. I can post hundreds and thousands of videos showing people who have left Christianity as well. It proves nothing. No wonder” face- the truth” gets angry. It will help for you to note that some of the most ardent atheists from Richard Dawkins to Sam Harris have all been formally Christians. Note i am not actually arguing against the existence of a “creator” . I am an agnostic and generally am open to perhaps there being a creator. What i am saying in simple terms is based on the evidence your faith and that of Muslims and Jews is false. Lets try this again. I am saying that the Christian faith as per the Bible is masochistic and patriarchal and therefor it cannot be the word of a just loving God. You prove to me that it is not patriarchal and masochistic.Since the Bible is the basis of your faith and my descent show me scriptures and Gospels that prove that your God treats women equal to man. No videos no quotes. You read the damn Bible and find me verses that proves equality explicitly not open to interpretations.

  86. Ron says:

    madfijian,
    Watch this testimony of a person who had a similar thinking like you and what changed him

  87. madfijian says:

    By the way why does Zakir Nyke always look like a horse masturbated on his face.

  88. madfijian says:

    Face the Truth. Agree with you totally. Anyone who has studied Islam and Christianity side by side will agree that Islam is the bolder more aggressive cousin of Christianity. Most if not all the horrors of the Bible including the subjugation of women has been simply copied by Islam. Everything from killing unbelievers to the stoning of unruly kids is directly from the Bible. The only difference between the 2 stone age beliefs is Mohammed who i liken to basically a conman, coward warlord who saw an opportunity and used the Christian doctrines to build an entirely new faith.

    The problem with Christians around the world and some on this blog is that they are happy to criticize Islam without looking at the origins of the barbaric nature of this faith which is clearly rooted in their own stone aged stupidity that they call Christianity. I saw an interesting debate some months ago where a Swedish female professor was debating some Priest knucklehead. She poised a very simple question why would any women want to be part of any of the monotheistic faiths after studying the holy books of the big 3 of these faiths. To be even born into these faiths is the greatest insult to a women.

    Why a god would hate an entire creation of his so much and yet make it the central pillar of its creation as without women there simply would be no men is strange at best. In other words these religions were created by bronze aged men for men in a time when physical might was king and all else was property for the strong including women who’s sexuality and the pleasures it got men was treated like a possession. Religion is a creation of men pure and simple there is nothing spiritual about Christianity Islam and Judaism. True spirituality is the acceptance of all beings human or otherwise as equal and sacred. No matter what a practitioner if these faiths say in defense of this their holy books are clear as day light. So either they are not true Christians or Muslims or they have not read their holy books.

  89. Face_The_Truth says:

    Looks like Islamic brutality on females followed Christianity to the highest degree!!!

    http://www.kyroot.com/

    STATUS OF WOMEN

    There are numerous Christian scriptures in the “Super Holy” Bible that clearly pronounce that a man is superior to a woman, which was consistent with the times it was written.

    Consider the following scriptures:

    I Corinthians 11:3
    “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”

    I Corinthians 11:8-9
    “For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.”

    I Corinthians 14:34-35:
    “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”

    But times have changed.

    Societies the world over have bent over backwards to give women equal status and opportunity.

    Most marriages are now viewed as a 50/50 venture, a 2-person team, as opposed to a master and a helper.

    The sticking point is that a real god and those he allegedly inspired would have foreseen this ultimate evolution of societal mores.

    (http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/615185-woman-know-thy-place)

    This point is best summed up by the following quote from Paula Kirby:

    “Religion is one lie after another: the lie of original sin, the lie of eternal life, the lie of hell, the lie of answered prayer, the lie that life can have no meaning without religion, the lie that religion is the source of morality, the lie of creationism, the lie of a spy-in-the-sky who hears your every word and reads your every thought.

    And to this list we must add the lie that it views men and women as equal.

    It has got away for so long with the kind of lunatic word-games that allow death-by-torture to be presented as an act of love, and eternal torment in the flames of hell to be seen as a necessary act of justice, that we should perhaps not be surprised that it has also managed to dupe its followers into seeing the systematic suppression and silencing of women as an act of liberation and equality.

    Nevertheless, it is a lie, like all the others: a cynical and wicked lie.

    It is time women everywhere woke up to it.”

    http://www.kyroot.com/

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