Your Final Challenge Ever - Part 3

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From: HanaanDear FFI,

It is incredibly misleading to hate a religion, and yet have respect for its follower. To be like this is like eating an apple core while knowing the seeds are poisonous. And you love to hate, yet hate to hate at the same time. And how can you say you know more about Islam, or say you know more about anything without knowing fact from fiction? People say there is a good and evil to everything, and all you apparently know is evil in Islam.

But think about this one: good an evil are entirely different. Maybe you need to consider that Islam is good, and the people are bad.

You say I am good person who follows an evil path. Hmmm. And as I accepted Islam more and more in my life I became someone who sacrifices everything for a worthy cause. And Islam praises this, as any good religion would naturally enjoin fellowship with everyone, including the helpless.

So what's all this evil you're talking about? Apparently you dislike a religion that preaches its followers to help others.

2:177, It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and West but righteousness is the one who believes in God, and the Last Day, and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and gives away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask and to set slaves free and keeps up prayer and pays the poor-rate; and the performers of their promise when they make a promise, and the patient in distress and affliction and in the time of conflict. These are they who are truthful; and these are they who keep their duty.

And you need to stop this nonsense about Muslims not reading a Quran. It's like saying a Christian does not follow Christ's teachings, or even heard of Christ. You can pick up any Quran in this world, and what's written in 2:117 will be incredibly similar to the verse I wrote. And if I had Arabic text on this computer, you'll read and identical verse.

And we do not worship Muhammad, just as Christ never allowed anyone to worship him. It was Paul who assumed him as Godhead. And just because we respect Muhammad, he is not our idol. He is nothing to bow to, only an influence we follow; just as Christians follow Christ. In shahada, we must accept Muhammad as the messenger of God, only because he was the greatest and the seal. Sure, you say there are other messengers after him....but you neglect that Muhammad is the seal of Islam, and there will be no other prophets to preach it as he, and other prophets had done. These so-called prophets you're referring to are people who founded their own cults. Just as Ali Sina is like your own master.

But anyways, I know you've heard this all millions of times! And why? Because people are offended and will respond angrily by your commentary and your demanding to influence Muslims to leave Islam.

I will not be like those who have answered you, or challenged you. And you have lost an element against me because you judged me differently than you judged Islam. And you would prefer not to believe that those qualities you admire about me are a product of Islamic influence. This is your own ignorance and loss.

How can you say Islam is evil when its followers are taught that the Sun was created as a lamp and provider of warmth?

And how can you declare a faith that teaches so much about physics and science to be a lost faith? What is the evil in the many truths that scientists can prove to be true? Check this site out, http://www.quranm.multicom.ba/science/

And what is evil about believing that animals and plants are for us to provide food, medicines, and to help till our lands and carry our loads? Do you think it's a sin to eat?!

And where is the evil in dressing modestly because we would rather not have anyone look at our bodies? Are we not allowed to feel comfortable with our rights to privacy? I was offered a chance to run for Miss VA in the pageant, and all my knowledge of Islam could not sum up an explanation to display my body for fame and envy. Even working 3 jobs now, I cannot afford the nice clothes I use to wear because I am naked without the appreciation I get for helping others in the name of Islam. God does not look at us for who we are but for what we do; and I am healthier when I choose not to hate anything besides the devil. Being a model, I could've had anything I wanted, and I can be just as arrogant as the devil. Islam is about tolerance; and to give is better to receive because the real wealth of the world is learning to appreciate what you have.

You cannot appreciat life when you dedicate your own searching for evil and flaws in this world. It's out there, trust me, and it's reading my letter too.

Prophet Muhammad hardly had enough to eat, or money to spend because he was always donating. I had no idea of this until I learned it just recently. I felt so rich living in poverty because I could give people something money can never buy: esteem. And this is what Muhammad gave those who needed a second chance. I fast during the year, not just in Ramadan, just for the sake of knowing what it's like to feel hunger. And naturally, my body felt weak, and my mind became strong. But now I look back, and I see that my body was not weak, but instead it was growing. And growing tolerant. At the same time I realised this, I learned that God loves the patient one. And He loved Muhammad because he exercised the same tolerance, but to a higher degree. I lived on a lush farm, while he lived in a desert.

So what now do you make of being patient? Where's the evil in this?

By now you may think that people pain themselves and pretend that it makes them better, but you are wrong to think that Islam forces someone to comply. Islam is a way of life. The only thing you seem to argue is the philosophy and intangible ideas. And you lose again. This another reason why in a few days you will no longer have to endure a shower of words, but rather a shower of rain. Because *everyone* can see it.

Look around you and observe nature. Everything you see is decreed in Islamic law. Even the air that enters your lungs complies with Islamic law.

Umm, what law? you may ask.

I'm talking about the laws that even Ali Sina has no knowledge of. Islam is a never-ending philosophy and science. It's miracle is how it presides into every aspect of life for eternity. That is why you will never cease to stop asking questions, and Muslims will never cease in providing the same answers a lion could tell you, if a lion could speak.

And did you know that there are ways into tricking a devil to commit a good deed?

If you agree that giving to charity is a noble cause, then you have committed a good deed. And if you should ever donate in actuality, you still commit a good deed. And if you are walking towards a place to give charity, then you commit a good deed. And if someone accepts your charity it is a good deed.

And what is charity?

It is not charity to tell someone that their religion is a way to Hell.

If you can agree that there are good Muslims, then where is the logic to agree that none of their goodness was a cause of Islam? Why be Muslims to begin with?

If I am going to commit myself to a faith that enjoins good, and I do good...where is all of this evil you complain about? What is it you intend to save me from?

You're the one who needs saving, and you're also going to need an umbrella in a few days too. Say what you want, and accuse me of superstition if you have nothing better to do. You think I am being un-Islamic because all my life I have said certain things, and they have happened. Sometimes they didnt happen, but only because I mentioned it first, and the other party changed something in their actions. Everything took place due to the events caused by someone's free will; and somehow while events took place, they compliment each other so well...as if it was written before.

So do as you please, and I'll do as I please. And I am only pleased if you are pleased, so have fun for now.




On 5/16/06, Hanaan A wrote:

Dear FFI,

It is incredibly misleading to hate a religion, and yet have respect for its follower. To be like this is like eating an apple core while knowing the seeds are poisonous. And you love to hate, yet hate to hate at the same time. And how can you say you know more about Islam, or say you know more about anything without knowing fact from fiction? People say there is a good and evil to everything, and all you apparently know is evil in Islam.


Hanaan, you give the wrong analogy. A person is sick with malaria. I can hate the malaria without hating the sick person, can I not? Why is that confusing? I hate islam for what it does to the muslims, but I do not hate the muslims. The good in islam is the part that islam stole from christianity and judaism as understood by muhammed and told muslims to apply it only to other muslims. And that was the biggest evil he created in islam. He divided the world into muslims and non-muslims for ever in Islam. Muslims are told to hate kaffirs with a passion. Islamic history is filled with cruelty and evil because of that hate for the kaffirs.

But think about this one: good an evil are entirely different. Maybe you need to consider that Islam is good, and the people are bad.

You say I am good person who follows an evil path. Hmmm. And as I accepted Islam more and more in my life I became someone who sacrifices everything for a worthy cause. And Islam praises this, as any good religion would naturally enjoin fellowship with everyone, including the helpless.

So what's all this evil you're talking about? Apparently you dislike a religion that preaches its followers to help others.

2:177, It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and West but righteousness is the one who believes in God, and the Last Day, and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and gives away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask and to set slaves free and keeps up prayer and pays the poor-rate; and the performers of their promise when they make a promise, and the patient in distress and affliction and in the time of conflict. These are they who are truthful; and these are they who keep their duty.



Since you quote from the Surah Cow, let me ask you what you think of the following:
verses.

2:06 PICKTHAL: As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
2:07 PICKTHAL: Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.

Essentially do not bother warning the kaffirs because allah has made them deaf, blind and dumb. Why? Kaffirs are allahs creations too are they not?


2:10 PICKTHAL: In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.

And these kaffirs that allah created and made them deaf, blind and dumb he is also going to assure a real painful doom for them. This is the merciful allah?

2:24PICKTHAL: And if ye do it not - and ye can never do it - then guard yourselves against the Fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones.

And if you doubt anything the quran says, you are a kaffir and you are going to get roasted in a fire specially prepared for the kaffirs. Why does allah insist on being a sadist?

2:39PICKTHAL: But they who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein.

2:90PICKTHAL: Evil is that for which they sell their souls: that they should disbelieve in that which Allah hath revealed, grudging that Allah should reveal of His bounty unto whom He will of His slaves. They have incurred anger upon anger. For disbelievers is a shameful doom

2:104PICKTHAL: O ye who believe, say not (unto the Prophet): "Listen to us" but say "Look upon us," and be ye listeners. For disbelievers is a painful doom.

Some more roasting and painful doom for the kaffirs, and allah is happy with his followers who cannot even say "listen to us" but have to accept muhammed totally with "look upon us". Why does allah hate the kaffirs so so much?

Then some more doom and fire and punishement for the kaffirs in
2:114, 2:126,2:162,2:167,2:174,2:175. Why so so so so much doom and fire by a merciful allah for his own creation?

And then ofcourse
2:191 PICKTHAL: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

The reward of the kaffirs is always to get slain, is it not?

2:193 PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.

And what is "until persecution is no more"? That is till all the kaffirs have been subdued and submitted and accepted islam as the religion of allah, or agree to pay jaziya as a sign of submission and humility! What a choice!

2:216 PICKTHAL: Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.

Fighting and killing of the kaffirs is prescribed by Allah himself!! People object to killing other and the find it hateful but Allah knows better and tells them to go kill.

2:257 PICKTHAL: Allah is the Protecting Guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein.

Zorastrians, Chinese, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. are disbelievers in Allah. They believe in false deities? They are rightful owners of Fire and they will burn there? What a merciful allah!!


So tell me Hanaan, that if a kaffir does all the good things that you quote in 2:177 but he is a buddhist and does not believe in Allah or muhammed, will he escape the Hell Fire according to your Quran? And the above verses are only from one Surah!! Wait till we start getting into the real juicy parts of the quran. Surah Cow was an early surah of muhammed when he had not yet become the absolute ruler of arabia. Wait till he has become the lord and master of all he surveys, then see what allah starts spouting!

And you need to stop this nonsense about Muslims not reading a Quran. It's like saying a Christian does not follow Christ's teachings, or even heard of Christ. You can pick up any Quran in this world, and what's written in 2:117 will be incredibly similar to the verse I wrote. And if I had Arabic text on this computer, you'll read and identical verse.



That is precisely the point that the good parts of the quran are there in the other religions as well. So what makes Islam as the only religion acceptable to allah and not the others? But so much killing and torture for the non-believers is unique to Islam.

And we do not worship Muhammad, just as Christ never allowed anyone to worship him. It was Paul who assumed him as Godhead. And just because we respect Muhammad, he is not our idol. He is nothing to bow to, only an influence we follow; just as Christians follow Christ. In shahada, we must accept Muhammad as the messenger of God, only because he was the greatest and the seal. Sure, you say there are other messengers after him....but you neglect that Muhammad is the seal of Islam, and there will be no other prophets to preach it as he, and other prophets had done. These so-called prophets you're referring to are people who founded their own cults. Just as Ali Sina is like your own master.



How do you know Muhammed was a prophet? How do you know that Joseph Smith, Ghulam Mirza , Bahi Ullah, Guru Nanak, and others who are held up as prophets by their followers as you hold up muhammed were not prophets? Just like you use the words of muhammed, the quran to justify the prophethood of muhammed, other use the words of their prophets to justify the prophethood of their prophets. Amazing is it not, that you deny others the right to believe what they want about their own religions but insist that the others believe yours. Christians do not know the true religion becasue they corrupted the injeel according to muslims. Jews are descendents of apes and pigs and corrupted the torah and do not know their religion according to muslims. Why do you think millions of people believe in those religious leaders and they are wrong but the muslims are right?
Ali Sina is not my master. I have disagreed with Ali Sina and told him he is wrong occasionally. Ali Sina is just another ex-muslim and a web master of FFI. Ali Sina does not claim to be a prophet or a master to anyone.

But anyways, I know you've heard this all millions of times! And why? Because people are offended and will respond angrily by your commentary and your demanding to influence Muslims to leave Islam.

I will not be like those who have answered you, or challenged you. And you have lost an element against me because you judged me differently than you judged Islam. And you would prefer not to believe that those qualities you admire about me are a product of Islamic influence. This is your own ignorance and loss.



I do not know you. You are the one who started out by issuing me a warning and telling me to accept Islam. Yes muslims are offended if anyone says a word against Islam or muhammed. They are so offended that they will try to kill to silence the critic. Death is the penaty prescribed for any muslim who wants to leave Islam. Apostacy carries the death penalty under Islam. That is why most ex-muslims do not reveal their identities in Real life, because many muslims would want to kill them.

How can you say Islam is evil when its followers are taught that the Sun was created as a lamp and provider of warmth?

And how can you declare a faith that teaches so much about physics and science to be a lost faith? What is the evil in the many truths that scientists can prove to be true? Check this site out, http://www.quranm.multicom.ba/science/

And what is evil about believing that animals and plants are for us to provide food, medicines, and to help till our lands and carry our loads? Do you think it's a sin to eat?!

And where is the evil in dressing modestly because we would rather not have anyone look at our bodies? Are we not allowed to feel comfortable with our rights to privacy? I was offered a chance to run for Miss VA in the pageant, and all my knowledge of Islam could not sum up an explanation to display my body for fame and envy. Even working 3 jobs now, I cannot afford the nice clothes I use to wear because I am naked without the appreciation I get for helping others in the name of Islam. God does not look at us for who we are but for what we do; and I am healthier when I choose not to hate anything besides the devil. Being a model, I could've had anything I wanted, and I can be just as arrogant as the devil. Islam is about tolerance; and to give is better to receive because the real wealth of the world is learning to appreciate what you have.



I have answered to the above in the other letter you wrote.

You cannot appreciat life when you dedicate your own searching for evil and flaws in this world. It's out there, trust me, and it's reading my letter too.

Prophet Muhammad hardly had enough to eat, or money to spend because he was always donating. I had no idea of this until I learned it just recently.



Muhammed was the absolute ruler of his followers. He claimed booty was made legal for him by Allah as it had not been done for any prophet before him. He claimed one fifth of any booty that was collected. He had many wives, many concubines, and many slaves. All his wives had their own residences and even his concubines had their own places. Does that sound like poverty to you? You have been fed stories. Read the original biography of muhammed. Do you even know what is the oldest biography of muhammed? Please read 23 years by Ali Dashti and he will tell you how absolutely filthy rich the muslims became from all the looting and booty they acquired from the wars they won and the kaffirs they killed. The companions of Muhammed became richer beyond their wildest dreams. And you think that muhammed and his wives and his concubines and his slaves were poorer when he was taking one fifth of the cut from every raid?

I felt so rich living in poverty because I could give people something money can never buy: esteem. And this is what Muhammad gave those who needed a second chance. I fast during the year, not just in Ramadan, just for the sake of knowing what it's like to feel hunger. And naturally, my body felt weak, and my mind became strong. But now I look back, and I see that my body was not weak, but instead it was growing. And growing tolerant. At the same time I realised this, I learned that God loves the patient one. And He loved Muhammad because he exercised the same tolerance, but to a higher degree. I lived on a lush farm, while he lived in a desert.

So what now do you make of being patient? Where's the evil in this?


There is no evil in being patient. Who said that was evil? You are confused are you not?

By now you may think that people pain themselves and pretend that it makes them better, but you are wrong to think that Islam forces someone to comply. Islam is a way of life. The only thing you seem to argue is the philosophy and intangible ideas. And you lose again. This another reason why in a few days you will no longer have to endure a shower of words, but rather a shower of rain. Because *everyone* can see it.


You are confused. I will let you know about the rain. Do not tell a kaffir like me whether islam forces or not, tell that to the muslims around the world who are killing and beheading the kaffirs. Tell it to the muslims who think it is alright to marry a little girl as young as 6, 7, or 8 because muhammed married a 6 year old when he was 53 year old. You think a baby of 6 is not being forced? So tell that to the followers and worshippers of muhammed. Islam is not the laws of the universe. That claim is just silly nonsense.


Look around you and observe nature. Everything you see is decreed in Islamic law. Even the air that enters your lungs complies with Islamic law.

Umm, what law? you may ask.

I'm talking about the laws that even Ali Sina has no knowledge of. Islam is a never-ending philosophy and science. It's miracle is how it presides into every aspect of life for eternity. That is why you will never cease to stop asking questions, and Muslims will never cease in providing the same answers a lion could tell you, if a lion could speak.

And did you know that there are ways into tricking a devil to commit a good deed?

If you agree that giving to charity is a noble cause, then you have committed a good deed. And if you should ever donate in actuality, you still commit a good deed. And if you are walking towards a place to give charity, then you commit a good deed. And if someone accepts your charity it is a good deed.

And what is charity?

It is not charity to tell someone that their religion is a way to Hell.



I am not doing charity but telling the truth. It is upto the one who hears whether they want to examine my words and see if it is the truth or not. There are many of us, ex-muslims, now and the internet allows us to speak and communicate around the world and not get killed by the followers of the butcher muhammed. So whether you will hear me and join us in freedom and become free of the cult of Islam depends upon yourself really. Good deeds? Tell me why can Allah forgive anything but Shirk? Why will the good deeds of a buddhist be ignored and like a good kaafir he will end in hell fire anyway? Do you know your Quran?

If you can agree that there are good Muslims, then where is the logic to agree that none of their goodness was a cause of Islam? Why be Muslims to begin with?



Most muslims were converted because the imperialist armies of muhammed did not give any choice to the vanquished. Accept islam or die or pay a humiliating tax and live in submission. After them and now people are born into islam like yourself. Their parents were muslims. Humans are decent and good and they stop looking too closely at the history of muhammed and their religion islam and how it brutalises the kaffirs. They tell stories like you do about how great islam is. They fool themselves and they fool their kids. Those who actually study islam and follow it become like the beheaders who shout allah hu akbar as a poor innocent is butchered like a sheep becuase he is considered a kaffir. Then muslims like yourself lie to themselves and say that those are the bad muslims. But look at the life of muhammed. That is exactly what he did!! That is why the Quran ordains war for the muslims!!! See and learn Islam.

If I am going to commit myself to a faith that enjoins good, and I do good...where is all of this evil you complain about? What is it you intend to save me from?

You're the one who needs saving, and you're also going to need an umbrella in a few days too. Say what you want, and accuse me of superstition if you have nothing better to do. You think I am being un-Islamic because all my life I have said certain things, and they have happened. Sometimes they didnt happen, but only because I mentioned it first, and the other party changed something in their actions. Everything took place due to the events caused by someone's free will; and somehow while events took place, they compliment each other so well...as if it was written before.

So do as you please, and I'll do as I please. And I am only pleased if you are pleased, so have fun for now.

HSA



It is up to you whether you want to learn or not; whether you want to think or not; whether you want to see or not. Look at FFI and read and think.

Doubtless


From: Hanaan A.
To: FFI


So you are a psychiatrist at 20 as well! Wonders never cease. No, I have not been brutalized but muslims have acted like brutes in my life.

Muslims, or anybody can treat you with dis-respect, because it the person's own opinion. If you met me, I wouldnt treat you just as harsh, and I can even tell you that you wouldnt dare think of me as any other Muslim you ever met. Besides, it's not like that you've met all 1 billion Muslims. Dont judge like that, and because you have, this would clearly be the only reason why you've encountered the worst in people, Muslims and non-Muslims. You must have inflicted something first, because a Muslim does not attack unless attacked. You bullied them first, or boasted something offensive.


Women in general have little place in Islam. After all muhammed held extremely low opinion of women. Women were like ten "awarahs" he said and that is why they should be covered up. Women were not very reliable and intelligent either, and that is one of the reasons why two women witnessess are needed to replace one male witness under Islamic sharia. I am not shouting at you. I am telling you the truth. Yes I do hate Islam for what it does to the muslims and to the kaffirs.

You only think women have little place because you're not a woman living under Islam's wing of freedom. I could have any parents in the world, but my father didnt like me much because I was so different from my sisters. I was very much like mum, and she was more powerful than dad. Dad was a farmer, and mum was a successful professor of 8 classes at York Tech; she designed for Boeing and Lockhead Martin, she designed systems for missiles that have auto-lock on target, and many other systems; she designed systems for the Army; she worked for Digicon, and at the Pentagon, and Mitre. Her salary is well beyond dad's. And she doesnt give him a penny because dad also owns founded a tea and spice business. She has everything she earned to herself, and dad has everything he earned, they only work together to provide for a lavish lifestyle for their children. They just didnt like me much because although they were business-oriented, and my sisters are taking after them, I was the creative child, and I didnt feel that I needed to be rich to be successful. But my family is quite Islamic, and we had library of works, and mum's dad had written over 80 in his lifetime; but we had others. But what you dont understand is that we each had a different bent on Islam, and that is what is expected from everyone: Islam must be practiced, and if the person has physical or mental limits, then there are so many exceptions to practice Islam. A Canadian Muslim and a Pakistani Muslim are still Muslim, though their lifestyles are completely different. And this is an issue I dont believe you quite understand. A Muslim in Kansas is waaaay different than a Muslim in NYC! But they still pray 5x a day, and fast on the 9th lunar month. And I also dont think you read the stats correctly: over 50% of the Muslim population resides in Asia, not the Mid-East.

Also, women in general were not very "intelligent" until the 20th century AD. Plus, it's difficult to get a college degree if you live in a desert.

I have not said anything against you as a person. I do not even know you. You are the one who wrote to me. I will not lie to you because I respect you as a human. I am telling you the truth about Islam.


Yes, you have said much against me as a person, because I am a product of Islam. And if Islam didnt preach to its followers to have mercy for others, than I would be the devil you believe Islam makes of its followers.


If it is very simple to follow then why are there so many "bad " muslims according to you. Why do those who behead people and shout Allah hu akbar in the background and broadcast the torture on video, in your mind, are unable to understand your Islam? It is simple rules because it is a cult. Cults that aim to control the human mind are simple because they do not want humans to think.

There are bad Muslims, and bad people everywhere! And Muslims are not the only ones to practice be-heading. It's tragic that they do, but for centuries the church did the same...and for similar reasons! These kind of people simply have no tolerance for others and no patience to endure hardships. The same analogy is like an angry person slamming a door, they dont think twice, and they let there emotions become like their gods. This is purely psychological, not religious. When people realise their gifts, talents, or power, they can either use it for good or bad. And sometimes our emotions can be misleading; something may feel right, though it is not the right way. And I personally feel like you are abusing your own power against people who write back to you; over and over you persuade that Islam is an evil cult, but you fail to understand your own Islam-phoebia.

These people who we call "terrorists" are EXTREMISTS. They might be their own cult...but as for the rest of the Muslim population, we have nothing in common with them. This is only a psychological decision they make. For example:

The colour red may describe anger, war, rage... sex, sensuality, passion...in China the colour red resembles luck and fortune

So you see, people feel more or less passionate with their own personal decisions, and world-wide you find all kinds of like-minded people...and this explains the "cult" who torture people. And you are one in a cult who likes to dissuade Muslims to follow Islam

Cults that aim to control the human mind are simple because they do not want humans to think.

These cults may be simple in a sense that they have a common goal, but the psychology behind these emotionally complex people is a roller coaster! They are over-achievers, and so are you!

To me you're an idiot because you think your un-Islamic experiences can persuade me to leave Islam; and terrorists are idiots because they want Muslims to portray Islam, un-Islamically. But hey, you all are entitled to your own opinions.

That is democracy. People eventually self-correct themselves. Islam has never known any democracy. Do you know any period in Islamic history where Islamic governement has been at peace ? Islam from the time of muhammed has been ruled by dictators. Muhammed set the precedent himself. Read Islamic history.

Islamic government has not been at peace? The Egyptian government is Islamic, they're pretty stable. The last time I watched the news-cast on the telly, every nation has its own government. And as for dictatorship, read European and Asian history.

But you said Islam is easy and so simple. Why does it get misinterpreted so easily? Does not Osama Bin Laden who loves to quote the quran and islamic history not understand islam? Did Imam khomenii not understand islam? Does Ahmedinijad not understand the simple Islam?

Islam is easy and so simple! It's the follower who decides how he or she wants to follow it! The Church didnt establish monkery...it was those who wanted to dedicate themselves whole-heartedly to Christ. And then there are Christians who attend church once or twice a week. And there are people who merely classify themselves as Christians.

Hellooo? Since when did people decide their favourite colour was pink just because their neighbour dyed their poodle pink? Free will, knock knock.


Think! The natural world is there not because Islam says it is there. The sun and all that is there and has been there long before the butcher muhammed was ever born. We are part of this natural world and not separate from it. Do you hear yourself? You are taught this and taught that? Are you taught to think independently? Are you taught to question at all? Do you understand that the biggest acheivement man has ever made has been by struggling to ask the right questions? All of science comes from doubting and asking questioning. Allah did not make all of this just for humans. We humans are another species who have evolved on this natural planet, and as we learn we better take care of this world because we have learnt enough that our activities are starting to affect the whole world. Everything was not just created for us. The universe is far too large a place. Our planet is a speck of dust in the backwaters of the universe in a small galaxy.

7:10, And certainly We established you in the earth and made therein means of livelihood for you; little it is that you give thanks!

Like duh, the sun and stars where here before people. But where's the evil in Islam or even in satellites to explain why they are there? And why dont you think that the world was not created for us? If you eat, then whats not the logic to believe that the food was meant for your stomach? If your sick, where does the medicine come from? If you're under-water, then why does your body suffer for oxygen? Why do you say that nothing is for humans? There is something for everything, which is why we have eco-systems, and food chains. Everything is complimentary...have you ever studied chemistry? When you combine elements, dont you get a product? And yes, the planet is a speck of dust in the universe, and it pleases me that you agree with one aspect of Islam!

16:49, And to God makes obeisance every living creature that is in the heavens and that is in the earth...

I underline heavens because we too are aware that there may be other mortalities beyond our galaxy

Please look at the actual facts and not the lies that muslims spread about how they have invented or discovered everything. Muslims always boast about Algebra being invented by a muslim. Well learn the facts. Khawarzzim was a translator of math books that had been looted from the libraries of non-muslim scientists of that time. Byztanium and Hindu libraries specifically. Muslims did not give any credit to the kaffir mathematicians before them and merely translated and stole their work as their own. Now we know better, and history is being put together properly.

Muslims have invented and discovered properties of science and agriculture, just as the Romans and Chinese have. Because Islam was founded in one of the most arrid geographies in the world, they worked together with non-Muslims to irrigate the lands, and Muslim scholars travelled throughout the Mediterranean regions and added mathematical components to what was still developing in the mathematicians minds. And if you have a problem dicephering Muslims and Arabs, these people were either, and you cannot deny the Arabic influence in math. The numeric keypad on your computer exemplify Arabic numbers, for instance.


There is no hate in me. When have I said anything against you? I am telling you facts about Islam? When have I said you will go to hell? I do not even believe in a burning of hell. It is Islam that tells me that as a kaffir I will go to hell. If you love a kaffir then you are not following Islam. Go ahead show me one ayeh from the Quran or one hadiath that says you should love a kaffir like myself. Go ahead I challange you. You see you are confused. You do not know your islam. When you say you love a kaffir like myself, you are not being a muslim. Ofcourse you are not evil. Who is judging you? I am merely saying it as I see it. If I thought you were evil, I would not even bother replying to you.

There is much hate in you or else you wouldnt believe I'm following an evil cult. To really care about me, is to accept me for who I am, and to accept me for who I am is to accept everything that influences me. And as for hell, 17:8-10, It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you. And if you return (to mischief), We will return (to punishment). And We have made hell a prison for the disbelievers (the mischeivous). Surely this Quran guides to that which is most upright, and gives good news to the believers who do good that theirs is a great reward, And that those who believe not in the Hereafter, We have prepared for them a painful chastisement.

What you're doing, trying to dissuade me from following an upright religion, is mischievous, because there is no other religion that preaches how much it wants its followers to live successfully, and there is no other religion that preaches infinite ways to achieve that success. You think that Islam is so strict, but Islam says "persecution is worse than death". These days you may find more Muslim women spending all the money the guys make! Even while I was living with my parents, or even visiting Muslim friends or relatives...I was always offered anything I want. Unfortunately, you never got to experience Islamic hospitality, and all of your responses reflect your darkest memories of facing Islam. And again, there is no logic to say I am not evil, and still I live under Islamic laws. I stay within the boundaries, just as I am a U.S. citizen, and I abide to American laws. And I can prove to you that Muslims can love a kaffir: 7:63, Do you wonder that a reminder has come to you from your Lord through a man from among you, that he may warn you and that you may guard against evil, and that mercy may be shown you.

No one is born with emotions, and I believe that for those who have faith in destiny, their actions were pre-destined, therefore because God wrote that I shall have mercy for my fellow man, it is His words and love that I reflect to you, and others; and there isnt a creature besides Satan that doesnt deserve His love.

Because I do not hate muslims. I told you that they are my people. Do you understand that? I am trying to help them escape the cult they are trapped in. When someone is sick, do you hate the patient or try to get rid of the disease? Muslims are sick with Islam, and I am trying to get rid of Islam. Why should I try to get rid of the patient? Now the question to you is if Islam is so simple to understand, why are there so many muslims who hate the non-muslims so much? Do not run away from that question. Think!

You're the one who needs thinking, dear! How can we possibly be trapped in a cult when we're progressing with life? You think Muslims have Islam and that's all? We have jobs, families, homes, cars, and personal wants and needs just like everyone else in the world has. Islam does not make us non-human; we're not "trapped" in a system. Have you noticed that you're then one stuck in complaint? I am a very successful and intelligent woman, and I owe it to the Islamic ways of life. It is an obligation for Muslims to seek of the vastness of the world, and at times I find myself acquiring more knowledge about certain fields than college graduates. I'm grateful for the repitiveness of the written Quran because it is constantly reminding me that Islam is a portal that releases my person from the vanities of this mortal life. Where's the oppression in Islam? The Quran reiterates relentlessly for us to harness our gifts for the greater good; and there are Muslims who make a personal choice to hate non-Muslims. They can waste all of their lives hating, even while they're reading a book that asks mankind to be kind to his neighbour. Refer back to the statement about red.





To Hanaan
From FFI:


Muslims, or anybody can treat you with dis-respect, because it the person's own opinion. If you met me, I wouldnt treat you just as harsh, and I can even tell you that you wouldnt dare think of me as any other Muslim you ever met. Besides, it's not like that you've met all 1 billion Muslims. Dont judge like that, and because you have, this would clearly be the only reason why you've encountered the worst in people, Muslims and non-Muslims. You must have inflicted something first, because a Muslim does not attack unless attacked. You bullied them first, or boasted something offensive.


A muslim does not attack unless attacked? Nonsense. How did the islam went from just the Arabian peninsula to subduing and conqueroring lands and people from Egypt to western china in less than 30 years right after muhammed's death? Muslims have been attacking and looting since the time of muhammed. So you have told lies and you repeat them mindlessly. You threatened me in your very first post. And then you wrote in your second post:



"You are incorrect, I mentioned 7 days.

And by the way, if my faith is true and my forecast comes to life, then what will you do? If you've accepted my challenge and if Allah wins, you must submit for you have been warned; if you choose not to...then I will see you again in the Hereafter, and you will be crying, I swear by the essence of Truth.

My challenge has been received, and the countdown begins."



I must submit! I have been warned! You will see me in the Hereafter and I will be crying! Sure muslims do not attack first.

Sure those who flew into the WTC and killed 3000 americans were attacked first? Are you an American? Do you read the news from the muslim world at all, and read muslims killing muslims all the time, and killing kaafirs all over the place?


You only think women have little place because you're not a woman living under Islam's wing of freedom.


It is you who has not lived under Islam's wing. I have. You do not know one thing about what it means to live in an Islamic country. You have enjoyed the freedom that America provides you and you think your American family is the norm for the Islamic world. You are ignorant not only about islam but also about the Islamic world. Go talk to the ex-muslim women at FFI forum and find out how much freedom women have in Islamic countries. Here read an article on the status of women in Arabia before and after islam:

Wome before Islam



I could have any parents in the world, but my father didnt like me much because I was so different from my sisters. I was very much like mum, and she was more powerful than dad. Dad was a farmer, and mum was a successful professor of 8 classes at York Tech; she designed for Boeing and Lockhead Martin, she designed systems for missiles that have auto-lock on target, and many other systems; she designed systems for the Army; she worked for Digicon, and at the Pentagon, and Mitre. Her salary is well beyond dad's. And she doesnt give him a penny because dad also owns founded a tea and spice business. She has everything she earned to herself, and dad has everything he earned, they only work together to provide for a lavish lifestyle for their children. They just didnt like me much because although they were business-oriented, and my sisters are taking after them, I was the creative child, and I didnt feel that I needed to be rich to be successful. But my family is quite Islamic, and we had library of works, and mum's dad had written over 80 in his lifetime; but we had others. But what you dont understand is that we each had a different bent on Islam, and that is what is expected from everyone: Islam must be practiced, and if the person has physical or mental limits, then there are so many exceptions to practice Islam. A Canadian Muslim and a Pakistani Muslim are still Muslim, though their lifestyles are completely different. And this is an issue I dont believe you quite understand. A Muslim in Kansas is waaaay different than a Muslim in NYC! But they still pray 5x a day, and fast on the 9th lunar month. And I also dont think you read the stats correctly: over 50% of the Muslim population resides in Asia, not the Mid-East.

Also, women in general were not very "intelligent" until the 20th century AD. Plus, it's difficult to get a college degree if you live in a desert.



Egyptians used to have queens who were independent. So did the Iranians. So did the Indians. Islam put a stop to all that. Muslim tell lies about the status of women before Islam. You have no clue how much women have been subjugated and suppressed in Islam in history. And you start telling me the fairy tales that islam benefited women. Go tell it someone who does not know islam and has not lived among muslims and in muslim countries.

This is what the quran says about women:

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YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
PICKTHAL: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.


Yusuf Ali is too emabarrased to leave the beat them without adding lightly!! Beat them!! Pickthal say scourge them! Do you understand what scourge means!!

Here is the definition: 1 : FLOG , WHIP
2 a : to punish severely b : AFFLICT c : to drive as if by blows of a whip d : CHASTISE
- scourg·er noun.

Go look it up in Arabic to see who is closer to the meaning. Your allah says that if you are disobedient to your man, then he can whip you. And you are telling me the tales of your family who is living in a free country and not under Islamic Sharia. Go find out how many women get beaten up in Islamic nations.

Who said that the majority of muslims lived in the middle east. Only about 25 to 30% of the muslims live in the middle east. I do not know where you even get the 50% number.


Yes, you have said much against me as a person, because I am a product of Islam. And if Islam didnt preach to its followers to have mercy for others, than I would be the devil you believe Islam makes of its followers.


Then that is your problem that you cannot distinguish between yourself and an ideology you believe in. That is very much like a cult members behavior. I treat you as a human being but you insist that I have to have respect for Islam. I am sorry I cannot do that. I know too much about Islam to have any respect for it what so ever.


There are bad Muslims, and bad people everywhere! And Muslims are not the only ones to practice be-heading. It's tragic that they do, but for centuries the church did the same...and for similar reasons! These kind of people simply have no tolerance for others and no patience to endure hardships. The same analogy is like an angry person slamming a door, they dont think twice, and they let there emotions become like their gods. This is purely psychological, not religious. When people realise their gifts, talents, or power, they can either use it for good or bad. And sometimes our emotions can be misleading; something may feel right, though it is not the right way. And I personally feel like you are abusing your own power against people who write back to you; over and over you persuade that Islam is an evil cult, but you fail to understand your own Islam-phoebia.


When was the last time the Church beheaded people? When was the last time Christians beheaded anyone? When was the last time hindus beheaded anyone? When was the last time Buddhists beheaded anyone? Every single day there are beheaded bodies found in the Islamic lands. Pick any Arabic paper, Pakistani paper, Sudanese paper and you will find news of behead bodies being found. Do you see the difference? One was centuries ago and the other is happening in the now and present. Do you know who started the custom of beheading in Islam? Muhammed himself! You know muhammed showed his displeasure at one of his followers because that person did not show relish at beheading kaffirs!! He lined up his captives and had hundred beheaded at a time. That is the mercy of who you follow. Tell me one fact that I have given you that is not true. What Islamophobia? I am not afraid of Islam. I hate islam. Do you understand the meaning of phobia? I am giving you facts why any sane person should hate islam. I can understand why someone who is caught in the web of that cult would be defending it, but those who are free would be utterly ignorant to not hate Islam.


These people who we call "terrorists" are EXTREMISTS. They might be their own cult...but as for the rest of the Muslim population, we have nothing in common with them. This is only a psychological decision they make. For example:

The colour red may describe anger, war, rage... sex, sensuality, passion...in China the colour red resembles luck and fortune

So you see, people feel more or less passionate with their own personal decisions, and world-wide you find all kinds of like-minded people...and this explains the "cult" who torture people. And you are one in a cult who likes to dissuade Muslims to follow Islam


The simple difference Hannah is that the leader of your cult is the evil man who taught and instructed his followers to behead people. We ex-muslims have never even once ever suggested that anyone should be even harmed. All we do is tell the truth. Those who do not want to listen can walk away. I did not write to you. You wrote to me. I did not ask you come and read FFI. You came and read it. I only reply to you. Tell me one lie that is told at FFI by Ali Sina or tell me one lie that I have told you about Islam. I give you passages from the Quran that is available to everyone. Look at the article that I have given you above. It only quotes the Hadeeth written by Islamic scholars themselves. You do not like hearing the truth then do not. Do not write to me. But why do you expect us to not speak the truth? Show me the lies and I will make sure that an apology is printed and the lie is removed and the facts and truth is put up.



These cults may be simple in a sense that they have a common goal, but the psychology behind these emotionally complex people is a roller coaster! They are over-achievers, and so are you!

To me you're an idiot because you think your un-Islamic experiences can persuade me to leave Islam; and terrorists are idiots because they want Muslims to portray Islam, un-Islamically. But hey, you all are entitled to your own opinions.



I told you before that whether you will listen and act is upto you. I am not trying to persuade you. I am not giving you any fancy arguments. I am merely telling you the facts and truth about Islam. If any of my facts about Islam are wrong, then tell me and I will show you where it is said in the Islam books. I did not make up the fact that Quran says that men can scourage their disobedient women. The Quran actually says that. When your husband ever scourages you and claims that he did that because you were disobedient to him then he is merely following what Allah commanded. That is the reason given by many muslim men even today around the world.


Islamic government has not been at peace? The Egyptian government is Islamic, they're pretty stable. The last time I watched the news-cast on the telly, every nation has its own government. And as for dictatorship, read European and Asian history.



Do you understand the difference between a dictator ship and a democracy? Islam has been governed by dictators from day one. Muhammed was the first absolute ruler in Islam. When he died his gang decided who was going to succeed him and the people were never consulted. The decision was not liked by everyone and that is the reason why Shias to this day do not like Abu Bakr the first Calipha of islam. Three of the first four Caliphas were assassinated. Aiesha the child bride of Muhammed fought in the battle of the Camel with Ali the son in law of muhammed and more than 20000 muslims died. The stability of Egypt is the stability of a dictatorship. Anwar Sadat was assassinated just as Nasser, the president before Sadat, was. The present dictator has had more than a dozen attempts at his life. So that is the peace that you are looking at.


Islam is easy and so simple! It's the follower who decides how he or she wants to follow it! The Church didnt establish monkery...it was those who wanted to dedicate themselves whole-heartedly to Christ. And then there are Christians who attend church once or twice a week. And there are people who merely classify themselves as Christians.

Hellooo? Since when did people decide their favourite colour was pink just because their neighbour dyed their poodle pink? Free will, knock knock.



That is funny. Are you saying that the Imam Khomenii does not want to follow Islam? Are you saying that Usama Bin Laden does not want to follow Islam? Are you saying that Ahmedinijad does not want to follow Islam? Syed Qutb did not want to follow Islam? Maulana Maududi did not want to follow Islam? According to you all the muslims who claim they are muslims but do not act the way you want them to act, they are not following Islam. And that makes perfect sense to you? Zarqawi beheads people in Iraq, suicide bombers blow up shia mosques and they all quote Islamic verses as justifications and according to you they are not wanting to follow islam. They think they are. They find your simple and easy islam a little difficult to understand because they end up doing things you do not like. Why?



7:10, And certainly We established you in the earth and made therein means of livelihood for you; little it is that you give thanks!

Like duh, the sun and stars where here before people. But where's the evil in Islam or even in satellites to explain why they are there? And why dont you think that the world was not created for us? If you eat, then whats not the logic to believe that the food was meant for your stomach? If your sick, where does the medicine come from? If you're under-water, then why does your body suffer for oxygen? Why do you say that nothing is for humans? There is something for everything, which is why we have eco-systems, and food chains. Everything is complimentary...have you ever studied chemistry? When you combine elements, dont you get a product? And yes, the planet is a speck of dust in the universe, and it pleases me that you agree with one aspect of Islam!



Who said that nothing is for us? We are part of nature. Nature was not created by anyone for us. Do you understand that? And where does it say that the planet is a speck of dust in the universe in Islam? The quran has very weird cosmology. It suggests a flat earth and the ancient beliefs in 7 "firmaments".


16:49, And to God makes obeisance every living creature that is in the heavens and that is in the earth...

I underline heavens because we too are aware that there may be other mortalities beyond our galaxy



Yeah jinns and angels and other silly stuff like that. According to Islam, Shooting stars are jinns … did you know that? Quran does not have a clue about the notion of galaxy. Please get real.


Muslims have invented and discovered properties of science and agriculture, just as the Romans and Chinese have. Because Islam was founded in one of the most arrid geographies in the world, they worked together with non-Muslims to irrigate the lands, and Muslim scholars travelled throughout the Mediterranean regions and added mathematical components to what was still developing in the mathematicians minds. And if you have a problem dicephering Muslims and Arabs, these people were either, and you cannot deny the Arabic influence in math. The numeric keypad on your computer exemplify Arabic numbers, for instance.



Please get you facts straight. The decimal system of numbers running from 0 to 9 are Indian (hindu) inventions that were borrowed by the arabs and the Europeans got them via the Arabic translations that did not credit the hindu kaffirs. Go find out about the history of the neumerals.

http://home.c2i.net/greaker/comenius/9899/indiannumerals/india.html

"It is now universally accepted that our decimal numbers derive from forms, which were invented in India and transmitted via Arab culture to Europe, undergoing a number of changes on the way. We also know that several different ways of writing numbers evolved in India before it became possible for existing decimal numerals to be marred with the place-value principle of the Babylonians to give birth to the system which eventually became the one which we use today."


There is much hate in you or else you wouldnt believe I'm following an evil cult. To really care about me, is to accept me for who I am, and to accept me for who I am is to accept everything that influences me. And as for hell, 17:8-10, It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you. And if you return (to mischief), We will return (to punishment). And We have made hell a prison for the disbelievers (the mischeivous). Surely this Quran guides to that which is most upright, and gives good news to the believers who do good that theirs is a great reward, And that those who believe not in the Hereafter, We have prepared for them a painful chastisement.



That is such a silly argument. I do not accept a sickness in a sick person. I do not accept a malady of a crazy person. Why should I accept Islam in a muslim? Yes I know your allah cannot get through half a page without talking about painful chastisement and hell. That is why I told you in my earlier mail that allah is your boogey man that you are so terrified of. Poor muslims are unable to think out of fear this silly boogey man. All reason abandons you when it comes to thinking about Islam.