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Update - Faiza Ramzan: Why you fight Islam?

 

Below is the latest update on our correspondence with Miss Faiza Ramzan. We had thought that Miss Ramzan did not want to correspond with FFI anymore (after publishing our first email sequence). However, she was gracious enough and continued the emails discussion. Her email are under her name, followed by our editor's response.

Miss Ramzan

hi there let me do my research and i will sort you narrow minded people out just wait and see.

and PLEASE I BEG YOU dont show that your that stupid coz then no one will listen to you will they? i dont think so!

you want me to admit the truth if i have any humanity but why dont YOU admit the truth if YOU have any humanity at all.

oh and by the way all your followers as just as blind as you

 

Editor

Hello Miss Faiza

 

It is good to hear from you again. For a while I thought you got mad at us and did not want to correspond at all. We welcome any genuine and honest discussion and research.

 

Please allow me, if you don't mind, to encourage you to read ali Sina's challenge. His articles include and rely on reliable Islamic references. Here is a link to it:

 

http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/

 

 

Do read with a critical mind. Don't be passive. I do, however, want to warn you that your life will never be the same after you read what Sina has got to say. Also, for you information, Mr. Sina debated Islamic issues with many big names in the Muslim world like Prof. Ghamidi and Dr. Khalid Zaheer from Pakistan, Ayatollah Montazeri from Iran..etc. Believe you me, they all failed to defend Islam and Muhammad from Sina's claims. 

 

In any case Miss Faiza, it is good to hear from you again.I say that with a genuine heart. We at FFI wish you the best in life.

 

Please do let us know if you have any questions. Our cause is holy, and our challenge is big.

 

Regards

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Miss Ramzan

 

hi back

how about you read what HARUN YAHYA has to say about islam and probably he will cure your eye sight don't you think.

oh go on google and type in his name and probably he will cure your eyesight and clean that booldy dirty full of mud heart!

yeah i will get in touch with you in a few days coz seriouslt i dont wana waste my time converting you guys like you are doing to me

TOODLES

 

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Editor

 

Harun who...?

 

His name is Adnan Oktar, or as I usually call him Adnan the liar..

 

Please watch this video by genuine scientists. Adnan is just a scientist wannabe

 

Please watch

 

http://www.atheistnexus.org/video/2182797:Video:128641

 

Thank you for the email Miss Faiza, but it really does not help to keep pushing yourself in the dark. Use a candle in the dark instead of cursing the dark. The candle's brand name is FFI. This candle is the real Mccoy if you know what that is.

 

I hope we will hear from you after you watch that video by one of the most distinguished scientists of our time.

 

Regards

 

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Miss Ramzan

 

well i like to call him harun yahya. If you have a problem with the name sort it out elsewhere OK

and no im not in the wrong im not in the dark its you guys who have closed the light on yourself if you want to know the candles name it is READ THE QU'RAN again and again and again and agian until you see the truth.

you just cant take it that whatever he has proven it is right so you are calling him a liar.

i will answer all your questions if you just answer one of mine:-

since you are so bothered about following ali sina and all then why havent yuo people made an appearence on TV why have you hidden yourselves in the DARK and why do you answer everyones e-mail with the signature of EDITOR 3 why cant you name yourselves?

i'll actually answer for you

YOU HAVENT MADE ANY APPERENCE ON TV AND YOU CANT NAME YOURSELVES BECAUSE YOU ARE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES BECAUSE YOU HAVE SWITCHED THE LIGHT OFF AND ARE WITHOUT A CANDLE BECAUSE YOU CANT ADMIT TO THE TRUTH!!

i hope i will hear from you  'EDITOR 3'

P.S. will you PLEASE give me ali sinas e-mail address, i just want to show him how much love i have for him.

THANKS

toodles

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Editor

 

Hello again You want me to read the Qur'an.. Well I read those verses: "Slay the Muslims wherever you find them. Seize them, surround them and everywhere lie in ambush for them. But if they repent from their wrong beliefs and become humans, then spare their lives." (9:5) If you found this verse offensive, you are right. I just changed the word "idolaters" in the verse with "Muslims". So, you still believe the Qur'an is divine. Read this: Quran (4:34) orders a man to beat his wife if she doesn't obey him? Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. What do you say Miss Faiza? Still not convinced that the Koran has many evil verses? Let us know. Thank you. -----------------------

 

Miss Ramzan

 

hello back

well i asked you to give me ali sinas e-mail

looks like you dont read mine, or anyone elses e-mails propely

cant you pick out the good and best bits out of the qu'ran

that verse is correct

"slay the idolators wherever you find them ...."

look into it dont just read from above it look into it

sorry, i forgot you havent got the candle yet have you?

yeah if youve read my e-mail proply you might find i want you to give me ALI SINAS e-mail

and why the hell are you hiding yourself from me and everyone else give me your name so that i can stop calling you EDITOR

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Editor

 

 

Miss Faiza,

I do not think you are trying to search for the truth about Islam. In any case, to contact Ali, just email us and under the "subject" heading write "an email to Ali Sina". That is all By the way, we do not use our real names because All and FFI editors receive multiple death threats from people who are Muslims, and think they have a divine right to kill us. It is beacuse of those bastards that we hide our true identity. Muslims are the vilest of creation when they want to live Islam to the teeth. The degree to which they emulate Muhammad is the deegree of evil they present. This is why, Miss Faiza, we hide our actual names. Regards. I wish you the best in life and thank you for contacting us.   -------------------------

Miss Ramzan

 

can i ask you another thing why are you only targeting islam and not any other religions

why dont you instead of looking for the bad things in islam look at the good things

why are you trying to disgrace our religion

just because you hate muslims doesnt mean that you you can start to try and convert them

ever heard of free fill

anyone can have any religion they want and the people who have already converted away from islam arent true muslims

a true muslim is a person who no matter what anyone says wont turn away from islam not even when their threatened to death

so belive me there are way more imaportant things about islam we read through the pages of the qu'ran not like you nasty people who just read over the top and think that your all it

 

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Editor

 

Miss Faiza, I don't think you understand us. "Islam" and "Muslims" are two different things. We hate Islam because it is an evil ideology. We have nothing against our Muslim brothers and sisters. Most of us here at FFI are ex-Muslims. Ali Sina himself comes from a Muslim family.

We target Islam because it is the worst religion there is. It is worse than Nazism. Islam commands to subjugate non-Muslims. Islam forces non-Muslims to pay a special tax, just because they are non-Muslims (Jizya). Islam demeans women, and allows a husband to beat his wife. Islam's Sharia laws are unjust. All Sharia wants to do is behead, stone, and cut hands and feet of people. How barbaric that is.

In any case, you are a female, and I am surprised that a female is trying to defend a religion that treats women like dirt. Islam sanctified wife beating. It sanctified marrying many women. Are you comfortable with that? In fact, Muhammad himself said that most of Hell's residents are women. How nice? and you still want to defend such an evil dogma.

Muhammad himself lived less than a holy life. he formed a gang of thieves and criminals. In ten years in Medina me made more than a 100 attacks against other groups of people. he thrived on blood. He assassinated people. He gang-raped women after killing all of their male relatives. He massacred the Jewish tribes who lived in Medina and Khayber. In short, Muhammad was a hard core criminal. I hope that I gave you enough reasons to see why we fight Islam. Any decent human being should do so. Muslims are our brothers, sisters, families, friends, ..etc. We wish them no harm. We cannot extend the same wish to Islam. Islam is a wild beast whose only medicine is a silver bullet between the eyes, shot from a close distance. Regards
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Miss Faiza, You do not

Miss Faiza,
You do not display any qualities or express any female traits in expressing yourself in defense of Islam. You seem to be a male trying to get sympathetic response by portraying yourself as a female muslima. Your objective is to go to so called Isalmic Heaven by getting at FFI individuals and the biggest prize being Mr Ali Sina. You are quite desperate and it shows. What kind of light are you talking about. I guess Quran gives out so much light that when a any human opens their eyes they go blind just like when you cannot see the SUN directly as you will go blind. That is the reason we can see other objects because the light shines on them. You are not suppose to see the LIGHT rather you use LIGHT that shines on DARKNESS can one see what is HIDDEN. In other words Islam does not give a MUSLIM a choise to THINK or else HELL is instore for them. Muslims cannot question or critique Islam PERIOD other wise you automatically are classified as an apostate.


I'll try again. Dearest

I'll try again.

Dearest Editor 3

I asked you for a clarification in "The Koran Only Islam" thread and I have not received a response from FFI yet. You have many minutes and hours of your time to respond, in depth, to Miss Faiza Ramzan so why can you not respond to me.

I reiterate:

The other Editor said (I do not know if it was you due to your covert strategy of concealing your names):

“FFI is a grassroots movement of ex-Muslims. We do not think that we are any better than anyone. We believe in humanity. We believe all humans are equal under the law. You think we believe we are better than Muslims. This is a twisted logic.”

And now you have said in this Thread:

"I don’t think you understand us. “Islam” and “Muslims” are two different things. We hate Islam because it is an evil ideology. We have nothing against our Muslim brothers and sisters. Most of us here at FFI are ex-Muslims. Ali Sina himself comes from a Muslim family."

And the following is what Dr Ali Sina has just said to me on the “Infidel Task Force Interview” Thread:

"I value the life of non-Muslims a lot more than what I value the life of a Muslims."

I say:

Why are you continuing to lie to people? Why is your hate of Muslims being shrouded in statements which try to make out that it is the ideaology and not the Muslims that you hate and target? I genuinely ask you this I would highly appreciate a response.

Now, I’ll repeat myself and say that I'll give you £50,000 plus another £20,000 (that’s more than your US dollars) if you can show me how these statements mentioned above are simultaneously correct.


Why we fight Islam? Read the

Why we fight Islam? Read the truth on Miraj riots in India initiated by a Musalman.... We need to fight to save our culture and religion from desert religion(s)

Miraj Riots: The mastermind behind the riots, Idol-breaker Imran Nadaf arrested
September 12, 2009 http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/7785.html

Kolhapur (Maharashtra): The Sangli police, with the help of their counterparts in Kolhapur, arrested the mastermind behind the riots that took place in Miraj. Capitalizing on the picture depicting slaying of Afzal Khan, Imran Hasan Nadif (Age-30 years, Res.- Near Nadaf Mosque, Miraj) had devised a ploy to start riots in Miraj.

Nadaf had hatched a plot with the help of few local Muslim goons from Miraj. After arresting him, he was beaten up all the way to the Police Station. He was planning to run away to Gujarat. He went to Kolhapur on Wednesday evening. He contacted few businessmen indulging in immoral business and asked them for financial help. The police got the wind of it and as per the instructions given by the Upper Director General of Police, Shivprasad Yadav, Sangli Police contacted their counterparts in Kolhapur and laid a trap to nab him. Mr. Yadav interrogated him for 2 hours when a lot of shocking information came to light.

Imran had addressed a gathering of Muslims at Shrikant Chowk in Miraj to instigate them to start riots. He also incited Jamir Faulad, giving him a green flag, to climb on the police vehicle right in front of the District Chief of Police, Krushnaprakash who was present there with many Police Officers. Later during the riots, Imran broke the ‘welcome arch’ erected by ‘Hindu Ekta Andolan’, pelted stones at the Sree Ganesha Idol installed by Maharana Pratap Ganeshotsava Mandal thus denigrating the Idol. He pulled down the banner of the Ganesha Mandal and damaged it by trampling the same. The above information was given by the police to the reporters.

For the past few years, Imran was staying at Navasari in Surat District, Gujarat and Bhiwandi. He was in contact with a few criminal gangs initiating riots at Navasari. It has come forth in the police interrogation that he had undergone training on how to provoke and incite masses. He came to Kolhapur from Gujarat. He underwent religious training for 2 years at Kolhapur, and for an year, in Udgaon (Tal. Shirol) . Nadaf originally hails from Miraj, Kini Vathar (Tal. Hatkanangale) is where his wife comes from. He was minutely observing erection of arches in Miraj during Ganesha Festival. He had hatched a plot to start riots as soon as the picture depicting slaying of Afzal Khan was displayed on an arch. He had connived with some criminals from Bhiwandi along with local goons. He had held 2-3 meetings with his accomplices. He has been shown the film of riots by the Police and they have obtained names of his accomplices. Jamir Faulad has already been arrested by the Police. They have also arrested Mehboob Pirzade, the main suspect in the murder of Anil Patil, the President of Hindu Ekta that was committed about 15 years back. He had also helped Imran.


Its difficult to cure

Its difficult to cure muslims. Since child the indoctrination starts. The muslims are the worst inhuman cancer to the society. Muhammed life was so disgusting and so thugish that even a normal decoit or criminal is far far better than him. To worship such a evil guy is shameful. I dont see any improvement. The cancer has affected the thinking ability of muslims completely and best way is 100% isolation of muslims and may be 200-400 years more will be needed when isolated muslims will start realization and some powerful dictator like Ataturk take a firm stand on de-islamization.


I cant help but laugh at the

I cant help but laugh at the idiotic arguements(should we call them arguements?) from faiza's side.Just look at the personal tone in her message.HAH!Muslims!


Does she not know the

Does she not know the ex-muslims who are speaking out against Islam? What does she mean 'YOU HAVENT MADE ANY APPERENCE ON TV '?!? If she is pakistani then she should at least know who Salman Rushdie, Taslina Nasreen and Ibn Warraq are. They fight against Islam PUBLICLY and that is the reason they are under constant death threats and need government protection. How about Anwar Sheik who was also Pakistani and wrote a book, he went public. There are many ex-muslims who go Public and they are very brave.


She won't stop because she is

She won't stop because she is hoping this will get herself into that muslim male's orgy in the sky. This is her da'wa. What is she going to do there? It was made for the men - not for the women. Do the women just watch the men 'do it'? Or are they converted into the perpetual virgins? yuck.

She sort of reminds me of a hysterical person. Whether she is really a man taking on a false identy - it doesn't matter. The men hide behind women and children all the time. The notes from her sound almost hysterical. In other words - not normal.

I actually feel sorry for her, or him - whatever.


Taken from islam-watch

Taken from islam-watch (comment from - Marcus - good one)
Rationalist (R); Muslim(M)
R: Ask a muslim how can you believe in koran etc.
M: They will say allah says so.
R: Whats the proof that allah is god and he says so.
M: muhammed has said this.
R: who knows Mo was telling truth He was a mental case and wanted sex and violence.
M: Shut up u 'racist', koran says Mo is prophet, only good person and Last prophet and god is now resting and Mo is enjoying 72 virgins plus extra as he gets extra women while normal muslim gets 4 in earth and allah's heaven 72.
R: Again how come koran be true as bassed on one person called Mo forced it to people through sword and deceit.
M: You kuffr, idiot, f***kr, islamophobe, its written in koran that allah will not give you intelligence to understand koran and you will reject it. We know this and we believe in allah and koran.
R: This is not proper logic, Mo's life was disgusting, koran is absurd, grammatical mistakes, scientific errors etc.
M: You infidel, I will kill you. Koran is a complete book. Do you know all inventions are from koran.
R: Then why muslims live miserable life, they have 'zero' contribution to science and are the poorest, dirtiest and least educated of all.
M: You idiot, you dont know islam, islam will conquer the world
R: How come muslim conquer world when they cant sustain the military war with many of the infidel countries?
M: We will outbreed and convert many from west. Already we are maximum immigrants and many criminals like our idiology even Hitler the great (Pbuh) liked islam and never harmed a single muslim.
R: This means islam is for bad people and less intelligent or cruel people.
M: You fool, Islam is merciful and peaceful religion and anybody who denies this we will destroy him/her and kill and abuse them. You are now doomed.
R: Hey you cant threatan like that. Also I am online.
M: You fool allah will destroy you, in 'day of judgement' you will suffer.
R: Hey allah is no-one and a personal diety of Mo and have no power and only his fool followers does kill and nobody knows about so called 'day of judgement', '72 virgins' etc
M: You fool, ALlahu akbar, Allahu Akbar.


Being an ex muslim I know how

Being an ex muslim I know how difficult it is to get over the hypnotising that undergoes a Muslim mind. He can't even see that looking at non muslims differently (As kafirs, as dirt, as infidels) in itself is the biggest racism. More than white and black man because they were discriminating something which was physical. Here you have a big mental problem and still cant see it is racism.

Also FFI response is not complete. Muslims not only look at non muslims in that way but they kill, slaughter, butcher their own muslim brothers if their view points are even slightly different for what is theirs.


If Ms. Faiza want the ex

If Ms. Faiza want the ex muslim to reveal themselves on TV, all she need to do is to declare herselves an apostate of Islam for one day in a public place with many male ismalist around or on TV, either in Pakistan, Afgfanistan or Saudi Arabia. The best is that she should declare herseleves a apostate of Islam for one day in any Taliban control area. If she can survive that, then the ex muslim can safely reveal themselves on TV.


Dear FFI, I want to save my

Dear FFI, I want to save my country India from Islamification. I can see how determined many of the Muslim organisations are here for establishing the Muslim caliphate.

I thought that Hindus are slowly waking up, but they are not. They in the name of secular morphine feel shamed for some riots that they did against muslims. They over sensationalise Muslim personalities even worshipping them as Demi Gods and still hang their heads in shame if these Muslims tell them they are poor and discriminated because of Hindus. Muslims breed like Bacteria. I had 4 children and my father wanted me to have 4 more. Only if he had known that not only I but all my 4 children will celebrate apostatsy.

They vandalise Hindu festivals, shout from mosques about dirty pagans and yet Hindus just sleep as if nothing is happening. Last year there were so many terrorist attacks and hindus were arguing and justifying within themselves that Muslims are doing it because of discrimination. Can't these morons wake up. The shuddhi movement was killed halfway by morons like Nehru who made saying Hindu in itself a big crime. So now if a politician is holding Iftar parties he is secular but moment he is going for a Hindu Puja he is branded as an unsecular. The opposition party which is hardly anywhere near to right wing is being jeered and lambasted in media for having caused a mosque demolition in 1992. But these media is silent about all the hindu temples pulled down by Muslims from time immemorial till date even in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Even calling a Muslim fundamentalist as wrong is being projected in media as blasphemy. Against almost the daily crimes being caused by Muslims even if one is done by a Hindu it is the Hindus who become blamed for all the victimisations. The movies by these Muslim directors and movie stars tries to magnifies this point. They try to prove that Muslims are discriminated and it is because of Hindus everything has gone wrong in south asia. The Hindus do not understand the hidden agenda of these Muslims. These Muslims not only are united in media but also in the movie industry. They dont even encourage any Hindu/Christian star but of course for a lusten dance by a non muslim lady.

The Pakistanis and Muslims in India feel that 26/11 was done by Hindus itself allthough none can explain that India didnt even come near to attack on Pakistan after 26/11. Even when the terrorists identities have all been revealed as Pakistanis the Muslims in India like morons and dumb heads ask as to how can 10 people come in a boat and seize a city.

There is a whole deal of Muslim columnists who are trying to shame hindus about their casteism, about their practices and Hindus are fighting within themselves on regional and stupid identities. The current regime headed by a Catholic lady is also encoraging all these activities in India as she has a different agenda of Christianising India. But she does not understand the danger looming in front of India. The christian states in north east India now discriminate against Hindus. In Mizoram or tripura if you are going to a temple you can be shot down.

I am still not a Hindu but I chose to be one because my forefather somewhere down the line were Hindus. But I feel the spirit of India lies in its Hindutva identity. The Muslim money puring in from Arabia and the Christian hidden agenda is all taking to break India even much faster than Pakistan. The only problem I see is the stupid extreme right wing few hindu lunatics who dont know how to tackle propaganda by propaganda. They just come out on streets like Muslims and cause much more damage to peaceful hindus who then hang their heads in shame an inch further.

How can my country be saved?


Why you fight Islam? - I ask

Why you fight Islam? - I ask why not .....??? why fight evil ..let it spread and lets all become the same ..should we ? ..no i dont think so..i dont want evil , i dont like evil and so i fight evil...Islam is evil and it should be fought .....its that simple...

.the real question is why you defend EVIL.....??? why defend something so indefensible ?

Are you defending it because you are born into it ....?
are you defending because you think its your duty to defend it ...?
are you defending because you have been so brainwashed that now its become compulsive....???

Which one it is ....???

People have defended NAZISM ......made excuses for the carnage that NAZI's did ???

Do you defend NAZISM ? If no why not ??? defend it ..it was also an ideology based on hate,secrecy and superiority complex ....why not defend HITLER .....???

If you do ..then it will make sense for you to defend ISLAM ...

If you dont ..then think why you dont .......if you would have been a German NAZI under Hitler ..indoctrained ..by this ideology ..would you have done it ...??

I think yes ..you would have .....people did it ..thats why we had a WORLD WAR II

Point being ..that once a person is under the effect of an ideology which he cant question
but feels obliged to defend it ...even if it is wrong ..or downright evil ..that person is incapable
of recognising the evil which he/she is following ....and defends the evil ...almost compulsively....

So thats why you are so angry ......because ..you cant defend the indefensible and are confused
This confusion is resulting in the anger which seems to have over-taken your senses and you
feel obliged to show hatred and venom against a group of people who dis-agree with you....

Such ferocity of anger ....is the result of the hate-filled ideology which ...you are following ....

IF you would have followed a Buddha like figure ..you probably wont have so much hatred in you
and would be sitting now like a "Laughing Buddha" ...not like a "angry muhammed"


Miss Faiza Ramzan says: "and

Miss Faiza Ramzan says:

"and no im not in the wrong im not in the dark its you guys who have closed the light on yourself if you want to know the candles name it is READ THE QU’RAN again and again and again and agian until you see the truth."

I say:

I get far more light from the pages of the Quran when I actually burn them on a big bonfire rather than when I read them. When I read the Quran my mind goes numb from all the dark superstition, violence, mumbo-jumbo pseudoscience and hatred towards free women and non-Muslims.

That is all the Quran is good for - giving me firelight and warmth on dark cold nights. Some people say wiping backsides, but this is plainly ignorant - Muslims actually prefer 3 stones. As for myself, I prefer 2-ply baby-soft toilet paper. Each to their own, I guess!


Hey Kafir, you forgot about

Hey Kafir, you forgot about the fact allah allowed goats to eat parts of the koran and make out of it what we think of it... goat pellets. I hold that goat up in higher esteem than I do mohammed.

If the koran were so important in allah's 'mind?' then why did he not dictate it directly to mohammed, instead of leaving it to an angel that really sounded more like our Lucifer? Why did he dictate it to an illiterate, especially one who was so hateful to most of its creation? Why did he allow that illterate to have others write it on palm leaves that goats would find appetizing? allah left its 'important' manual to us to be written on bits and pieces, left to people's memories which was the reason why different versions were popping up, and the whole thing of it being compiled later by a guy, Uthman, who destroyed whatever original pieces he found, so no one can verify what was really written down?

It is all bunk - junk - pure and simple. Most of these questions probably escape someone like Faiza because it is obvious she is not the one reading and comprehending the koran. Why would she want to spend eternity with a god that doesn't really like her because she is a woman? I suppose it just creates women to be a sort of bag to bear children and then loves to throw them into hell and watch them get all crispy.

The koran is a book of battle tactics against non-muslims - that is where its use lies.


I think we all non believers

I think we all non believers must read Quran and not desecrate it. It is only by reading Quran you can argue and put your point across to Muslims such as Faiza Ramazan, I am sure she herself don't know much of Quran ,if she knew the true facts about Mohammad and the evil writing in Quran she would have left Islam long time ago , but then you have the hardcore muslims despite knowing the evils of Islam will carry on following Islam, for the fear of being killed if they left Islam. I do read Quran and I can say it is evil .


You all are heathens and have

You all are heathens and have no respect for the holy book. The Qur'an is useful a lot you people. here is the proof:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/09/sina-was-wrong-the-quran-is-a-ver...

Peace to all


Miss Faiza Muslim women are

Miss Faiza

Muslim women are the dumbest of them all, you're happily praise allah while he allowed your husband beats you "Quran (4:34) orders a man to beat his wife if she doesn’t obey him?" are you ok with this?

islam basically sees women as whores, because we need to pay dowry, you just like prostitute get paid in advance and still your husband allowd by allah to pick up another prostitute four more or even more, what happend if man can not afford it, they become suicide bomber so they can have orgy in heaven with 72 girls at once

you said "why dont you instead of looking for the bad things in islam look at the good things"
Religion shouldn't teach you bad things, so if there are bad things in islam, its not from god, god never tells us to do bad things

hope you wearing hijab, so people can identify you as stupid human being that happy to be beaten by your husband, because your god allowe it


I totally agree with Kamran's

I totally agree with Kamran's response of 13 Sep.
I feel certain that Hinduism as a religion will be in a minority within 5 generations ie 150 yrs. It will cease to exist. This is because1). Educated Hindus are too much infear of being labelled as funamentalist merely for following their own religion, visiting temples, celebrating their festivals. They take great pride in being termed Liberals, Braoadminded secular etc.
2).The media in India is terribly TRP hungry. It makes more profits if they claim muslims are being persecuted everywhere, not getting jobs, harrased by police.the moment any muslim is brought in by Ploice in Hyderabad even for routine questioning, the muslim legislators like OWasi of MIM party gather a mob outside the police stn and create a major law and order situ. All this the media reports gleefully.
3) Money inflows are huge for muslims from the gulf.They eagerly use the same to convert poorer, unemployed and criminally inclined youth with promises of 4 virgins in Heaven etc.
4) we in India have such a shame less set of politicians managing this country who would gladly sell their mothers and sisters for votes. consequently you have the Left eagerly allowing large no of muslim migrants from Bangladesh into WB,Assam etc. The CONgress susidising Haj pigrimages. Nothing of the sort offered to Hindu pilgims even for badrinath or Mansarover. by any political party. A single remark by a teacher in a majority college against the misuse of Burka by girls cheating in class led to mob viloence and the college had to apologise and shut down.No politician stood up for the college.
5) .There is no Hindu mass religious leader whom all Hindus would obey unlike the muslims following the dictat of Deobandis or Syed Bukhari. Even though we have Satya Sai Baba, Sri Ravi Shankar etc, but these Hindu religious leaders are simply unable/unwilling to exercise their influence over the politicians who come to them for divine blessings to do some good for their Hindus also. In their own country Hindus no longer have any sway.
Why O Why would any one want to remain a Hindu in Bharat?


hi miss faiza , y do u debate

hi miss faiza , y do u debate with these haters of islam, these are frustated people who have nothing to do so they want to say anything against islam. we muslims should not debate them, let them say anything, and we should just wait and watch, have u heard when an elephant goes by many dogs start to bark but still elephant does not gets affected we should be like that islam is very big and huge they dont even stand near it in any way. and let them go to hell y should we debate them when they are bent on defaming islam. these people were present in every ages when huzoor started to give the message of islam. so dont worry and wait and watch a time will come when all these noises will die out. islam is great and truth, these enemies of islam cant defame it. and if they are true to their cause y are they afraid to die, cant u see, we muslims are ever ready to die for the sake of islam but are these enemies of islam ready to die, no because they are cowards they can only do false propaganda sitting behind these webs.


Bakamurthy You have raised

Bakamurthy

You have raised some good points and I agree with a lot of what you have written.. However I don't think this solution of yours which I quote here below will work :

"5) .There is no Hindu mass religious leader whom all Hindus would obey unlike the muslims following the dictat of Deobandis or Syed Bukhari. Even though we have Satya Sai Baba, Sri Ravi Shankar etc, but these Hindu religious leaders are simply unable/unwilling to exercise their influence over the politicians who come to them for divine blessings to do some good for their Hindus also. In their own country Hindus no longer have any sway."

I am afraid I disagree here on 2 points.

1. India was only a Hindu country before Buddhism arose. Thereafter, slowly over the centuries, India became the civilized, multi-religious, multi-lingual and tolerant country that it is today. It is not perfect but it is trying. This is sadly unlike its neighbors Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh and this is something you should be proud of.

2. If you did have a Hindu mass leader, what guarantee do you have that he will not betray you all and be a fanatical Hindu Khomenei? History teaches us that religion and politics should stay apart. Your solution will turn India into a pathetic Hindu clone of its neighbors. What is worst is that all priestly theocratic governments are impossible to remove peacefully and democratically because power corrupts and those who oppose the priests oppose God. Goodbye freedom goodbye!

Ask former supporters of the Moolas Revolution in Iran what they think of rule by priests.


A Hindu theocratic

A Hindu theocratic state?

Man, you must be dreaming it. There is no such thing a Hindu state. From the time of Vedas to date, has there been a Hindu state? Please let me know if it did or what will it be like.

Hindus have been for freedom of thought.


Kokamal Have you heard of a

Kokamal

Have you heard of a little country to the north of India called Nepal? It was a Hindu theocratic state until very recently when the Maoist revolution booted it out along with its parasitical royalty that supported it. Prior to this, non-Hindus and so called low-caste Hindus were discriminated against.

Put not your faith in prices and priests if you wish to retain your freedom of thought.

Jai Hind!


Shafee al-Zindig September

Shafee al-Zindig
September 15, 2009 • 7:40 am

Thanks for telling me about Nepal. Though I was referring to India that belongs to the mixed ideologies called Hinduism.
I have known about Nepal all along and it has been "famous" for outsourcing her humans for various "jobs" abroad, smuggling across open Indo-Nepal border, etc PLUS Mount Everest.

Will you kindly tell me what makes
[1] a Hindu,
[2] the "scripture" that provides for governance Hindu state, and
[3] a Hindu theocratic state?

India has always had the largest Hindu population. Even to date, Hindus account for over a billion of 1.2 billion Indians -- without conversions as in Islam and Christianity where conversion is a must and obligatory -- while Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Baha'is, Jewish etc comprise the rest.

At what time in the history, Hinduism rule India?
When Hindus discriminated against non-Hindus?

Please be specific in your reply.
Thanks.


Kokamal A long and detailed

Kokamal

A long and detailed discussion of Hinduism is way off-topic on this thread. Let us save it for an appropriate time and place. We are really here to discuss Islam, so let us not be side-tracked by other issues.


"since you are so bothered

"since you are so bothered about following ali sina and all then why havent yuo people made an appearence on TV why have you hidden yourselves in the DARK and why do you answer everyones e-mail with the signature of EDITOR 3 why cant you name yourselves"

Because, miss Faiza Ramzan, people who speak critically or even ill of Islam are threatened and walking targets. Many Muslims as well as non Muslims have become target of persecution. Threatened into silence or labelled apostate. As an apostate you are at great risk. Theo Van Gogh, Salman Rushdie are all such victims. Some are murdere while others live in hiding. In Egypt a man was forcibly divorced from his wife after writing a critical book on the interpretation of the Quran. He was also declared an apostate. He lost everything. In Egypt and other muslim countries bloggers, writers, journalists are jailed and tortured if not sentenced to death for being critical of sharia, islamic interpretation. Mind you, they have no apostated (not that apostates are a legitmate target. Not at all) but they have voiced criticism.

That is why. Therefore it would make sense to withold ones true name and identiy because many view such writings as attacks on islam. They are willing to take any measures into us.

Hope it is clear now. I wonder if not you are offended by islamic sites when they write things which I find any believing Muslim should object to? a few months back a female scholar wrote that a man has the right to force his wife to sex. That is rape. But yet not many muslim blogs or media picked up that story. Is that not an attack on Islam, the prophet Muhammad and Allah?


I agree that Islam cult must

I agree that Islam cult must be eliminated from Universe.BUT ,One thing you people at faithfreedom forgot is ,the muslims who are accustomed to the lifestyle which is totally dependent on hate for non-muslims as well as other luxuries they have(marriages) doesnot want to be Murtad at any cost.The Fear of death is One thing;The Human Tendency of staying with current situation(as a musulman) is another thing.He/She Doesnot care even if the koran is proven wrong.

This is the Core Issue We faces.Remember that in Countries like pakistan,bangladesh and India(Uttar pardesh,Bengal,Assam,Hyderabad,Malabar,Bijapur etc) Islam is Radical Islam.I mean ,Madrassas and 12AM Classes By Jihadis ,Weapon Amassing ,Hate Mongering is So Common there.YES - They are Under a CULT and Under their CULTMASTERS.How Can Someone Be Saved from Cults?What Cult Followers do?They just follow What their Cultmasters tells.Zakir Naik is One Such Guy Who spreads the Cult into world muslims radicalizing them with "Peace" TV.Remember the taleban trained boys brainwashed so much that they are ready to do suicide mission without any logic!

So,For Muslims to Be Free From Islam cult ,We Need Strategies By Which We can Help Muslims(poor Souls!) saved from the clutches of Cult and the numerous millions of cultmasters(mullahs included) working for islam..It is not easy to make them Leave.Family,The Islamic Atmosphere where they spend their whole life time(pakistan for eg) etc are factors.

All the Best Muslims - Leave islam.Think For a Minute as a Non-Muslim and Read Faithfreedom about Mohammad.Don't Compare with Other religions.Many Religions got the agenda of Making Humans as Slaves to their Ideology.Concentrate on your Religion:Islam .Remember How from Childhood you are forced to go to madrassas and the Ummi(mother) telling don't play with kafirs.Kafirs are animals.Abbu(father) telling to go more religious and more.Decipher ,use your Brain to Overcome Cult Indoctrination.Human Brain Must Not be Slave to ANY Ideology.Wishing a Speedy Recovery from Islam.
regards,
freedom fighter.


First and foremost. This

First and foremost. This muslimah has proved beyond reasonable doubt that moselm women are deficient in intelligence.I rest my case


She is clearly in denial.

She is clearly in denial.


Denial mode is when a person

Denial mode is when a person is aware of the cruelty and filth in islam and still keeps parroting the same crap.islam is peace blah blah.
Stupidity is when the person parrots the crap islam is peace etc and is not even aware of the filth in islam.This lady is not in denial mode so she should be plain and utter stupid


"You can wake up those who

"You can wake up those who are sleeping, but not who are pretending to be sleeping" ...... it is the same case with Ms Ramzan..... she do not want to wake up from her painted dream to see the reality .


To Kamran, Your Hindu

To Kamran,
Your Hindu brothers and sisters in India is starting to wake up, like a giant elephant waking up from a long slumber under the morphine of secular country. You can join the DharmaShakti Sena, whose motto is to defense Dharma and save nation, in your area.


The "problem" of Hindu

The "problem" of Hindu religous leader is that they treat all man kind as the same human, no Hindu, no moeslem, no christian. You can see Ravi Shankar, Maharshi Maheshyogi, Paramahansa Yogananda, Mahavatar Babaji, and many more. We can not blame them unwilling/unable to influence the politician. They have reach a lofty level in spirituality that they are not bound by sect of Hinduism anymore. They have reached e state of a divine being who treat all creatures as their brother and sister alike, need guidance to achieve the divine goal, that is to unite with the Source Of Everything. Just like the river flowing back to the ocean after a long journey. The sun gives it's light to mother Theresa and to a criminal just the same light, also give it's light to gold and charcoal just the same light, so the great spiritual master give their blessings to all human just the same. It is our duty to fight islamic teaching in this mortal combat of life, because we can not act like the divine master yet, we are still in the elementary school of earth life struggle. We are still bound by the cosmic drama of life, good and evil, light and darkness, etc....


thankyou to the brother who

thankyou to the brother who pointed out we mumins should not debate with gods enemies mushriks who hide behind muslim names and pretend to be fake appostates are to low to debate with instead pray for there destruction how beautiful allah that he allows them time to gather evidence against them and reach a peak of evil before suddenly grasping them and hurling them into a bottemless pitt all muslims beware protect your own imaan NEVER DEBATE if under diffrent names you wish to leave a comment do so but NEVER REPLY that is what feeds these MUSHRIKS FAKE APPOSTATES May allah add the ummahs future illnesses and any suffering and pain of death and fear of grave to them ameen SPEND TIME ZIKR OR LISTENING TO QURAN ON NET SALAM TO ALL MUSLIMS ALLAH DECREE FOR U A DEATH ON IMAAN AND A DEATH ON KUFR FOR FFI AND ITS FOLLOWERS AMEEN TAHAJJUD PRAY AGAINST THEM AND REMEMBER FELLOW MUSLIMS ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN ISLAM WAS FROM ALLAH HE NEVER GETS IT WRONG WE SHOULDNT TRY TO HIDE ANY OF OUR HISTORY ANY EVENT ALLAH GAVE HIS COMMAND TO PBUH AND HE OBEYED END OF STORY WHY JUSTIFIE TO THESE EVIL CULT THERE NOT WORTH IT WE LOVE AND HATE FOR SAKE OF ALLAH IF ALLAH SAYS SOMETHING IS ALLOWED FINE SOMETHING HARAAM WE SHOULD HATE IT ISLAM IS PERFECT COZ IT CAME FROM ALLAH TO A PERFECT PROPHET SIT BACK AND PLAN FOR THE DAY WHEN WE WILL WATCH LIVE THE FATE OF ALLAHS ENEMIES inshallah


Adam, can you write a

Adam, can you write a readable english or not? Don't forget you can not pray to your allah in english, he will never listen to you. Allah only understand arabic.


Adam, What feeds FFI and

Adam,

What feeds FFI and visitors mostly is: The news from all over the world of crimes against humanity, big or small, carried out by self-confessed Muslims in the name of Islam, in past and present. And the miserable and unjust situations in Islamic world and communities that Islam fosters or at least allows to happen. It is going to be observed/ monitored, reported, analysed and judged in a big scale and for a long time to come. It is going to be compared with ALL of Islamic scriptures and teachers. And the comments of Muslims who defend all this are just contributory to that.


Miss Iqbal Shaikh and other

Miss Iqbal Shaikh and other Muslims here:
What lies about Islam are we saying? We pride ourselves of being truthful about Islam. Thank you - Editor 3


Dear Sister Faiza

Dear Sister Faiza Ramzan,

Why you insisting for email of our Mo (Ali Sina). Do you expecct him to make you his Ayesha. No mam no chance, he is already very busy in writing articles. He does not have power of thirty men, though his age is only 31. To cool down your sexual frustration, I can arrange someone from this site who will satisfy you completely my beloved Muslim sister.


Dear Sister Faiza, You know

Dear Sister Faiza,

You know companions of our beloved sexy prophet used to hide him in two iron waistkots and helmet during the war and he was unable to stand without help of two persons. We are companions of our Mo and want to hide him like you hided your sexy Mo


Kamran, I agree with you

Kamran, I agree with you 100%. We have two kinds of Hindus:

(1) Right wing narrow minded Hindus like Lal Kishan Advani, who are totally ignorant of the history of India. They make up history trying to glorify mythic history of India while dismissing the historic facts in the name of false nationalism.

(2) The pseudo-secular Hindus like Kuldip Nayar and Lalu Prasad Yadav, who are equally narrow minded - but they see themselves broad minded and are falsifying the actual history of India to appease Muslims in the name of tolerance and overlook the crimes committed by Muslim rulers like Aurangzeb and forced conversion of Hindus to Islam.

We need Hindus who do not distort facts and practice true secularism and believe in the genuine equality of all citizens and do no accept the intolerance from Hindus, Muslims and other religious minorities. We need politicians who do not use religion as a tool to manipulate the people of India.


comment # 22730, To

comment # 22730,
To Admin,

Why dont you come to the challenge page and prove Ali Sina truthful huh? Nice way of deceiving people. ALi Sina is too scared to say something because the truth about his false claims are exposed.