Tajak7 vs the FFI Staff - Part 1

Printer-friendly versionSend to friendPDF versionFrom: Tajak7@aol.com To: FFI Date: Oct 3, 2006 6:02 PM Subject: (no subject) I am not here to scream or yell at you for your anti-islamic or anti-muslim remarks. But, you make me laught to say that Islam will loose strength or in other words, Islam will not last very long. Have you checked your facts lately,Islam is and will be the fastest growing religion in the world. Majority of muslims are not terrorist as they are being protrayed in the media. Blaming Islam for the acts of couple bad seeds,its like blaming christianity for the acts of timothy mcweigh or kkk. Only people with no prior knowledge maybe believe your cut and paste answers..you take things out of context and post it without posting the whole hadeeth etc etc.. But Mr.Sina, you might think you are smart or whatever, you are only fooling your self when you say islam will die soon... Islam used to be the third biggest religion in the world now its second and counting. Inshallah, we will know who is right on the day of Akhirat.. peace be upon you FFI to Tajak7 Couple of bad seeds? Islam was never the biggest religion in the world. When was it the biggest? You show your ignorance. Why is it so important to muslims that it be the biggest. Why do the muslims measure the truth of islam by numbers? Because everyone on this planet believed that the earth was flat, did that make it true? But you are not interested in the truth at all. Muhammed was not interested in the truth. All you like other muslims are interested is in which is the most popular. Is that the growth you look for? Apparently so. Think a little and see what that tells you about yourself and about your Islam. Believe me ex-muslims do feel sad seeing how Islam makes our brothers, the muslims, so stupid. regards, doubtless. To FFI TS FUNNY...the reason i used the numbers example to show ..that if islam is so evil then why alot of converting to it..your are lost in your ignorance, I was trying to be nice, but you try to insult islam with your stupidity..but its all cool.i am not here to judge you will face god just like i will when the day comes.. if islam is evil and full of hatred then explain to me why is it growing faster then any other religion..I am not making this up... You and I know ,as well your audience know that Islam is one of the biggest religion behind christianity.. Truth hurts..right To Tajak I gave you accurate answers. I asked you to show me when did Islam have the largest following as you claimed. You do not answer. Now you claim that I am trying to insult. Truth does not hurt. Truth sets one free. Truth is always liberating. Islam is growing largely because the muslim countries have the largest birth rates. It is really as simple as that. Because of the very high birth rates, most muslims countries score the lowest in all indicies designed to measure human social development. I asked you to tell me why muslims consider only the numeracy as the criteria for truth. You do not answer. Why? Does truth hurt you as a muslim? Is that why you strive so hard to avoid looking at the true state of muslims and Islam in the world? If you will really look you will find that ex-muslims are really growing way way faster than the muslims. More muslims are leaving islam than the muslims are adding by the high birth rate. And the tragedy is that it is the intelligent and the highly educated who are leaving Islam the fastest. And you know what the consequences of that are? Again try to think. I know you can if you try hard enough. doubtless. To FFI (October 4) My bro before i answer your question..I would like to say that i just got a call from my two college friends..I had not spoken to them in a while but had run into them today....Both of them have become muslims..no they are not just fresh off the jail african american brothers but caucasions. You failed to answer my questions..Yes is true Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.Just look at the world almanac ( you can not say that is published by muslims) and check the figures of islam population for each country and compare it to the previous years. Now give me your source for saying that more and more muslims are leaving islam--those few ex-muslims you have on your website is a fraction compared to the number who are converting to islam(again look at world almanac) Educate yourself---you are buried deep in your own ignorance. look at the lady who lost her relatives in the world trade center converted to muslim, so you can not say that only people who go to jail come out as muslims... now days, i see caucasions, negroes, hispanic muslims etc etc.... To Tajak: And pray tell what are "caucasions"? Are they relatives of vulcuns by any chance? And what do you have against african american brothers? Why are Muslims inherently racists ... it has always bothered me that arabs use 'abd' for black as well for slave. I guess it reflects the 1000 years of plundering and raping of the african continent by the arab muslims. The eastern slave trade is truly a holocaust that not many are fully aware of. I told you that the growth rate is due to the large birth rate of the muslim nations and you are merely showing me that you agree with statement. But you do not address the consequences of that horrendous tragedy. Here are some links that give you an idea why it is difficult to get real numbers on muslims leaving Islam: [url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1470584,00.html]TimesOnLine[/url] [url=http://www.islam-watch.org/leavingislam.htm]islam-watch[/url] [url=http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/MalayLeaveIslam.htm]MalayLeaveIslam[/url] However, look around you and opn your eyes and you will see that muslims are leaving islam in droves. They just do not make it a big deal of announcing it, because many muslims tend to go crazy about it and feel they have to kill the apostates. But if you do not want to believe it then do not. It does not matter. Of course there are muslims of all races. You do not seem to understand that FFI is not against muslims at all. Most of us have relatives who are muslims, our families are muslims. Our beef is with muhammed the raping pedophile prophet of islam and Islam itself. Not muslims. doubtless. To FFI: Why are you twisting things here? What i meant to say is that the 2 buddies of mine who converted to Islam are not african americans. How am I being a racist? Why do assume, I am arab? Islam was started in the middle-east but it does not mean that most of the worlds muslim population live in the middle east. Wow, you are not as smart I thought, I am not certainly not a scholar on Islam,but I thought you would have more knowledge about Islam, but the way you have been responding clearly shows you are ignorant. You like to cut and paste quotes and use them out of context. There you ago, Attacking our beloved prophet Mohammad (pbuh). Thats a sign of frustration and weakness. I said the 2 guys who converted are white(caucasions--yes mis-spelled)--people usually think most of the people who convert to islam are african americans and i was merely pointing out that this is not the case. There are whites, black, hispanics, etc etc......I gave you example of the world almanac to back my claim.. but you keep coming back with the same lame point..."oh muslims are reproducing at very high rate." Its funny how you talk about racism. when in the name of christianity how many people were killed and treated by the christians....Are you forgeting the Slavery? I took african american studies---Why was slavery allowed? Why did the pope (i can find out which pope from my african american studies) allowed the slavery of blacks over the brown people (native americans) We will face god one day----next time you respond, respond with some credible sources to back up your claim that more muslims are living islam.. To Tajak: I did not assume you were arab. From your email user name I assumed you were somehow related to Tajiks and from some area around there like northen afghanistan. You are probably in some western country enjoying the kaafir hospitality. I do not know why you assumed that people think that most converts are african americans. That assumption is prima facia racist, and that is all I said. I agreed with you that muslims come from across the world and from all races. Did I not say that? You see you are talking about slavery again, because you are unaware of the eastern slave trade. Please look into that. Here are links that may help you: [url=http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Classroom/9912/easterntrade.html]eastern trade [/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade]Arab slave trade[/url] [url=http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SStephan/islamic_slavery.htm]Islamic slavery[/url] The arab slave trade was well before the west ever got involved with slavery. Muhammed owned many slaves and he gifted women slaves to his friends. Calling someone who lies, a liar is not insulting but stating a fact. I did not insult muhammed. I stated facts about him. That is your problem that you consider an evil man like muhammed your beloved prophet. That is precisely Ali's challenge that you show Ali Sina wrong about the charges he levies against your "beloved prophet". If you unaware of that challenge please read: http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm doubtless To FFI In america we use the term slaves to refer to "slaves" the arabs calls it "Abd" Afghans call it "mazdoor," so why does it matter what word is to used to describe the slaves. Islam---is the religion of just arabs, there are african muslims, indonesians, etc etc you just merely showed that the arabs call slaves "abd" So what is your point here? May allah bless you Mazdoor is laborer not slave. Pashto does not have a word for slave it turns out. They had to borrow it from arabic/persian. They like others in that area use the word ghulaam. Abd in arabic means one is totally subordinated. As in Abd Allah or slave of Allah. It is a fact that in arabic that word was also used for african slaves as a special legal class of slaves meaning the lowliest of lowly totally subordinated slaves. To this day, the arabs will and refer to the blacks among them as abd. The point is that racism in inherent and deeply imbedded in that culture. The westerners owned upto their racism and have established law against it and have strived to overcome their history. The same cannot be said of the muslims of the middle east who totally deny that there is any racism amongst them. doubtless. To FFI: Mazdoor and Ghulam are the same words to describe slaves. Lets face it doubtless, wher are you getting your facts from? Yes, its true that you might come across an individual who uses that word, just like a white persons uses the word nigger to describe blacks.(you telling me all arabs and muslims are racists---- I am sure you are aware of the jim crow laws..----why werent blacks allowed to worship the same god as whites in the same church....Why were black christians considered as property by the white christians.why were they treated like animals in the name of christianity? talk about the Crusades?----civils rights--may i remind you did not happen that long ago.Perhaps you have not been to south..what the white christians etc think about black christains etc................. get your facts straight You obviously do not know. Mazdoor and Ghulam are not the same words. They do not mean the same thing. Go tell that to some one who does not know any better. I have never called all muslims racists. Your logic is the perfect muslim logic. When you are unable to defend islam, start denigrating what you think is the other person's religion. doubtless. To FFI: ITS Funny the first thing you talked about what slavery and how arabs refer to them as "abd" There you go again, assuming things.Yes I live in the west--But what does that have to do with this topic... "You are probably in some western country enjoying the kaafir hospitality" I live in America, I love it like the next person in line, matter of fact, I work for the govt and will head to afghanistan as a part of the national guard......See you assumed, just becuase I am having this debate with you..that I live in the west and yet hate it...(scratching my head).....this is religion conversation not west aganist the muslim world.why did you bring this into it? dont assume things, based on what you see...I am pashtoon.... since you are expert on slavery, just tell me how many people lives were affected by the slave trade to america, south america, europe? Why did the pope bless the slavery of black people instead of native americans? You are not dumb but ignorant,You see the truth and look the other way..I am not saying that muslims are not converting to christianity or other religions..but not at the rate, where the memebers of other religions are converting to islam. Lets face it..more and more people who are born into other religions convert to islam To Tajak: Show me where I said that you hated being in the west? I said you were enjoying the kaafir hospitality. The assumption is that the country you are in is a non-muslim one. Does enjoying imply that you are hating it? It is clear that you read and then you impose on it a lot of your assumption and never bother verifying it. Since you are pashtoon, I am surprised that you are telling me that ghulam and mazdoor are the same word. And I am telling you that you have no idea at what rate the muslims are dropping out of Islam, and hence you cannot make the claim that you are making. doubtless. To FFI: wow you giving me lecture on my lingo..whats ur background "To this day, the arabs will and refer to the blacks among them as abd. The point is that racism in inherent and deeply imbedded in that culture." T there you directly implied that its our blood to be racists............ "When you are unable to defend islam, start denigrating what you think is the other person's religion"..........like i said this is your way of saying you dont want to talk and want to run away.. I am defending islam and was merely pointing out what christianity did and does till this day....DOES TRUTH HURT MY BROTHER? facts do not lie,,but cut and paste answer do lie and posting your own opinions does not count as facts... dont run away.. what your background Now is your background arab? Did you switch from pashtoon? Go ahead say what you want of christianity. Why should that bother me? I am not a christian and you do not know christianity. I simply stated a fact that arabs use abd to mean "completely subordinated" and they used "abd" for a term for the black slaves, and to this day they refer to blacks as abd. Do you deny that arabs use the word abd for blacks? doubtless. To FFI: Wow why you running away...........zero credibility............ Truth Hurts? I gave you some examples about christianity and its heinous acts..now you want to end this conversation. you must be pakistani....you are good at running I am not pakistani. To Tajak: Since you now claim to be an arab, your attitude is best reflected by: Darabani, wa baka Sabaqani, wa'shtaka doubtless. To FFI: you know pashto? did you look it up..i doubt it..so its safe to assume that you are peshawari? who are still considerd pakistanis...... but you used that phrase to say that racism is rooted in the muslims blood.now you want to deny it? and say that they still use the word abd till this day for arabs..just like christains,catholics use the word nigger till this day......so whats ur point you went from writing paragraphs to few sentences...what hapend..you cant come back with anything new? To Tajak: Tajak, you do have a problem with comprehension. Read what I wrote. You are the one who was eager to point out that muslims are not only arabs. I pointed to you the slave trade being carried out by arabs. The word is arabic. Where did I say racism is rooted in muslim blood? What the hell is muslim blood? Why would I charge a white canadian muslim or an indonesian muslim with racism based upon the usage of an arabic word? doubtless. To FFI: YOU still have not told me what ur background and what religion are yo now? then look up the word Ghairat,which you lack.....you know i am afghani but you are afraid to say ur identity........... you crack me up must be blind...can you please point to where i said i am arab.......WHY ARE YOU MAKING UP STUFF...............just like Ali Sina....................ignorance will not get you anywhere. remember you will have to answer allah on the day of judgment...its one thing to say that you did not know about islam but its other when you left islam........... To Tajak: This is what you wrote: [color=maroon]wow you giving me lecture on my lingo..whats ur background "To this day, the arabs will and refer to the blacks among them as abd. The point is that racism in inherent and deeply imbedded in that culture." T there you directly implied that its our blood to be racists............[/color] What is meant by that our in there? Which culture is being referred to in the quote above? doubtless. To FFI: i am tired of cuting and pasting your answer to show your stupidity....you change topics faster then you change lanes on highway.. you talk about racism and its roots in the arab world..knowing i told you i am not arab.but you said it anway becuase i am muslim--then when i give you examples you want to recant or deny saying it. My brother in USA or other western countries__perhaps you have heard of this program..its callled ESL--you should attend it..might help you in the comprehension of english language To Tajak: Okay. doubtless. To FFI: you should go back and talk to ali sina...................... tell me where you from.............a real man is never afraid...............you coward..you running away with your tail between your legs To FFI: brother is not too late to repent--may allah guide you inshallah........ To FFI: arabs.......but why would u mention that quote knowing i am afghan..u just wanted to point that muslims are racist. like i said i dont have time to cut and paste................you are fully aware of what you have said so far........ so tell me where u from..-------come on please look up the word Ghairat---you lack it To Tajak: Are you testing whether I know the word Ghairat? Do you know the etymology of that word? Do you where the precursor of that word was used by one of Muhammed's companions (umar if I remember correctly) in a dream that he had because muhammed had walked into umar's house unannounced in the dream? I bet you do not know that? There really is no need to talk about my background. You may assume whatever you like. doubtless. To FFI: I asked you a simple question? there you again..goin on and on with non sense... like i said............ghairat is something you lack...google it To Tajak: This is from Imam Bukahri: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 465: Narrated Abu Huraira: While we were in the company of the Prophet, he said, "While I was asleep, I saw myself in Paradise and there I beheld a woman making ablution beside a palace, I asked, To whom does this palace belong? 'They said, To 'Umar bin Al-Khattab.' Then I remembered 'Umar's Ghaira (concerning women), and so I quickly went away from that palace." (When 'Umar heard this from the Prophet), he wept and said, "Do you think it is likely that I feel Ghaira because of you, O Allah's Apostle?" Learn a little Islam while you learn whether Ghaira and Ghairat are related or not. doubtless. To FFI so i am asking you..........the word ghairat in pashto.what does it mean.........you would know this but you lack it. Ghaira in arabic means....... feeling angry when someone dissprects you. Ghairat---means dignity--honor(pashto) You are confused. It does not mean angry. Read the hadith I sent you. Shame from self respect is closer than dignity. doubtless. To FFI: look buddy u taking that hadith out of context..you are confusing yourself...stop searching for answers to my questons on google............. u know u are beghairat....................maybe u from peshawar..and i wouldnt be suprised if you are To Tajak: That is funny. That is such a standard muslim line: "out of context"!!! Here is another hadith: Volume 2, Book 13, Number 23: Narrated Ibn Umar: One of the wives of Umar (bin Al-Khattab) used to offer the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayer in congregation in the Mosque. She was asked why she had come out for the prayer as she knew that Umar disliked it, and he has great ghaira (self-respect). She replied, "What prevents him from stopping me from this act?" The other replied, "The statement of Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) : 'Do not stop Allah's women-slave from going to Allah s Mosques' prevents him." And in this one the translator helps out by translating Ghaira as "self-respect" which in the cultural context is equivalent to "don't you have any shame"? Now where did you get anger for Ghaira? Why do you insist on pretending about things you know nothing about? Ghairat is derived from Ghaira. The meanings are slighty different but they are related. Ghaira does not imply zeal, or courage as does Ghairat but it does incorporate prestige, honor, shame, dignity. You may know stuff about Pukhtunwali but do not translate Ghaira as anger. Okay. And I am not from Peshawar. I am not from Pakistan. I am not from Afghanistan. Okay. doubtless.