Sina was wrong. The Qur'an is a very good and useful book
Submitted by Ibn Kammuna on Tue, 06/09/2009 - 08:40
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Pundits, such as Dr Ali Sina, claim that the Qur’an is not a good book. In fact it is filthy and evil. While we may not contest this claim directly, we, the good Muslims Ibn Kammuna and Ibrahim Lone, still believe that the Qur’an is good and useful in many aspects. Many Islamic countries print the Qur’an and distribute it free of charge. We encourage that because, as the reader will see shortly, there are many good uses for the Qur’an. What you see here is only a partial list. We are confident that the readers of this forum will direct our attention to a multiplicity of uses that we have not noticed, or just over-looked. Here are some of the uses that we think are very good for the holy Qur’an:
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It is winter time. Wood stoves and wood fires are common in many parts of the world. The papers of the Qur’an are a perfect candidate for use as a fire starter. So, use it wisely and do not use much of it in one time. We believe in going green when possible, and using the least amount of Quranic paper to start a fire is an environmentally-friendly option. We think Al Gore will nominate us for some kind of an award for this recommendation.
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We think that Sina was wrong in recommending the Qur’an as a toilet paper. This is not a good recommendation for many reasons. First, there is toilet paper readily available in almost all stores, and cheap. Second, it is unhygienic, and may cause some skin rash that is hard to heal. Knowing the content of the Qur’an, we believe such practice will cause major physical illnesses. Medical care is very costly nowadays. So, we strongly recommend the Qur’an for starting useful heating fires, instead of a toilet paper. Having said that, we do not believe that the Qur’an rises up to a respectable level that makes it good for bathroom use.
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If you have young children, we recommend giving them papers of the Qur’an to tear it apart. Kids like taking papers and tearing them apart. What is better than the Qur’an for this purpose? It will help motor skills development for children. It will help them ease up their frustrations by tearing up the Qur’an. It will also give your kids something to do. So, this is definitely a win-win-win situation. We do have kids, and it is so nice to get away from their aggravation by giving them something useful to do.
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The Quranic hard cover is very useful for kids too. Just separate it from the papers of the Qur’an, and give it to your children. Children are creative and will find many uses for them. One of our little girls used it as a “play tray” and brought her dad empty “play cups” of tea to drink. It is just a joy to see our kids happy playing and putting the Qur’an to a good use.
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The papers of the Qur’an can be used to make flying kites for children. One can also use such papers to teach his/her children how to make kites. Kids are great and can imitate what you do with your Quranic paper on their Quranic papers. With few attempts, your kids will thank you, and will be able to make kites of the Qur’an any time they want. We believe this activity of making “Quranic” kites should be a family activity that promotes learning, bonding, love and care between family members. Is there any question left about the Qur’an being useful?
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Another useful point to mention here is that there is a need to consume as many free Qur’ans as possible. This will take money away from Islamic governments and agencies giving them fewer resources to use for Jihadi activities. This is also a good by-product of our keen promotion of the Qur’an as a good and useful book.
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We think the hard covers of the Qur’an can have multiple useful uses. Here are some examples: cup holder, separation markers between papers or folders, cleaning shoes from mud and dirt, Frisbee .. etc.
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Ladies this is for you especially if you are working from home. Get a bunch of hardbound copies of the Qur’an and use them as step ladders. This way you won’t have to invest in buying one.
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We also feel that Qur’an can be used for punishing naughty kids at school and home. All one has to do is to make them read the Quran rather than putting them into detention. We are pretty certain that the child will never repeat the same mistake again as long as you keep on reminding him of her of the punishment.
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The Qur’an can certainly be helpful in treating Insomnia. As we all know that the Qur’an is an extremely boring book which at the best induces laziness. So forget about sleeping pills use the Quran.
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We know for certain that if properly cut into pieces we could make a nice Arabic Mural or doormat out of the Quran.
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Gymnasium owners to replace expensive weight training machines with hard bound copies of the Quran, thus saving on a lot of money.
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Since Muslims are so touchy about the Quran, the security agencies can start stomping and burning the Qur’an which is will enable the terrorists to come out of their hideouts into the open, thus making them an easy target. In the process many valuable Human lives will be saved.
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Tearing pages from the Quran and pasting them on the roads will keep your neighborhood free of Muslims, who would never dare to drive over Allah’s word.
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Quran can also be used as a shield by the Armed forces hence preventing the Muslims to fire at them in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Since paper is of organic origin, the Quran can be used to fertilize your plants.
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Quran is also a valuable teaching tool for kids who don’t study. Let me tell you how. Once a kid is punished by telling him to read the Quran the parent can tell him that if he does not study well, he would have to read the Quran for the rest of his life.
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Quran can also be used by the interrogators in terrorist detention centers where they will be subjected to the horror of reading the Quran for a good part of the day while they are awake. We really can’t think of a better way to torture someone.
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Quran can be used in piggeries to clean the trash and filth left by the pigs.
- Liquor stores can stock up Quran and use them to wrap the wine bottles and thus give an exotic look to them.
Dear Ibn Kammuna, You dont
Dear Ibn Kammuna,
You dont believe in some thing, thats right, but I think disrespecting a book, which more than a billion people beleive, is not a good idea. I am silent reader of the website and agree with many things logically, but still I feel disrespect to the feelings of the people is wrong according to "The Golden Rule" described some where on this site. I hope you understand.
Best, Specificselective.
Should golden rule be one
Should golden rule be one sided?
How do you deal with a bunch of people who are ready and willing and eager to liquidate you at the drop of a hat?
How do you start liking islam and moslems when all islam teaches and preaches is hatred of the non moslems?
How do moslems interpret the evil verses when they know that there are plenty of kafirs around?
Evil islam has to be vapourised.If nazism was evil, islam is 100 times eviler.Nazis were terminated and moslems have germinated.
We can save lot of trees if
We can save lot of trees if all the so called Holly Books disappeared.
Dear Specific
Dear Specific Selective,
Thank you for your comment.
You are asking that we respect a book that teaches looting(48:20, 59:6,etc). A book that teaches beating women is sanctified by God (4:34). A book that demeans women, a book that teaches to slay non-Muslims and show no mercy to them. I guess we should also respect Mein Kempf and all KKK publications. Fair enough.
Now tell me, don't Muslims need some shock therapy. No one attacked anyone when Jesus was shown in Urine container. Why is it that Muslims go bizzerk when some cartoons of Muhammad show up? They even killed many people all over the world for this. Muslims need shock therapy. In the long run, they'll have to learn that people should have the freedom to criticize anything, including their book of terror and their evil and satanic - so called - Prophet.
Dear Specific Selective, I appreciate your comment. We don't see eye to eye on this, and this is part of our dialogue and accepting each others' views.
Now, let me show some more respect for the Qur'an and Islam:
May the Qur'an burn in hell with its author Muhammad. May Muhammad be cursed as many times as the dog wags his tail, but no more than that. Piss be upon Muhammad for the evil he brought to the world. Piss be upon his terror manual, the Qur'an. Piss be upon the Ka'ba; a symbol of Misogynism and slavery. Piss be upon anything islamic that Muhammad brought to this world.
I hope this is disrespect enough to your liking brother.
Muslims need words like that to learn to live as human beings. its called shock therapy. If anyone needs it, it is Muslims.
Peace
You are asking that we
Mr. Ibn Kammuna, please tell why you respect OT? Aren't you being a hypocrite? Will you give the same treatment to OT? Should I quote you even more worse things from OT?
What do you make out of this
What do you make out of this teching from OT Ibn Kammuna?
Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
Here are other useful ways to
Here are other useful ways to use the Quran:
It can be used as tissue for blowing your nose.
Used as birdcage liner to keep the bottom of the cage clean.
Scrap paper for writing notes.
Scrap paper for art projects
Paper mache
Paper towel for cleaning up messes.
dear JAH, If allah wanted us
dear JAH,
If allah wanted us to follow the quranic verses then why didnt he embed a microprocessor in our heads?????
could you please answer my question brother.
Marie, How are you girl. I
Marie, How are you girl. I hope well
those are good ways you suggested
To JAH and Co.
People, stick to the Qur'an. pointing to the Bible or the Old Testament does not solve Islam's problems. this "you too" is a logical fallacy. In any case, you don't see Jews or Christians doing Jihad. Do you? That should give you a clue that Christians and Jews do not understand their book in a violent and Jihadi way.
On the other hand the Qur'an is no more than wasted resources of paper. Shall I count the ways?..Peace to all, especially JAH (Human b, which means human...something I won't mention).
To JAH and Co. Do you? That
You are right as per Quran is concerned and so is OT... I want to see how much intellectual honesty you have?
Please tell me how the following verses are interpreted, in not so violent way?
Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
It is irrelevant if Jews and/or xians follow this or not. The fact is this teaching is no different than quran. So if you have any intellectual honesty why would you not trash this piece of garbage called OT?
Dear Continuum 1 and
Dear Continuum 1 and Company,
we keep coming back to the same point again and again. brother thanks for your comment. I am not a specialist in Christianity, the old testament or the new one. I never claimed to be one. However, as you know, this site is about Islam. So, if you want to understand verses in the old testament or the new one, I suggest you go to some Christian and Jewish sites. Plus, why raise issues about other religions here. This site is about Islam. Go to sites dedicated to answer your questions.
Also Continuum, regardless of what religion you believe or not believe in, I am sure others will get you quotes and attack you. However, this site is not the right place for that. Its about Islam.
Peace
Though I dislike islam and
Though I dislike islam and the followers of the evil rapist pedophile, on a philosophical note I must admit that I do not find any difference between qrandic and biblical teachings.I am pretty sure torahs will almost have the same crap.All the three religons from the middle east have the same crap.The evil of bible matches qrand, word by word and verse by verse.The islam at the moment is the imminent danger and has to be dealt with.This does not necessarily exonerate biblical evil.Bible is no divine word either.Bible preahes as much hatred as qrand if not more, it's just that at the moment the so called christians are not individually involved in mass murder, but the elected government/s of christian people is/ are in to rape loot etc, just as taught by the bible.Want examples???
What USA is doing in Iraq/Afghanisthan/pakisthan/ would want to do in India ?
Waht the britishers did in India?
Portugese did in India?
Who vapourised Japan?
WHo exterminated the south american civilisation? Spanish.
These are all the elected governments of christian people who did these atrocities. But christianity is a peaceful religion. Does it sound familiar? Islam means peace and moslems are peaceful????
How ever much I disagree with the cretin moslem who craps here all the time, I must admit that for ones he is correct in quoting bible and the evil verses.
In his excitement of having discovered evil verses in bible, ( which the cretin is posting right , left and centre), he forgets one simple truth.That the so called divine and godly religion of allah is nothing but copy paste fo bible! He is so stupid ( not unusual trait as a moslem) that he is unable to decipher that the qrandic verses are just a copy of biblical crap.
It's important to be intellctually honest and say this" Yes bible has many evil verses( oh both old and new testicles have them) but the christians are not truly following at the moment the evil verses, unlike moslems.
However, as you know, this
You are right that this site is about Islam.
However, I wanted an answer from you as a xian. Let the readers see the hypocrisy from xians for themselves. A simple Yes or NO would do, but you cannot do that and you have to avoid answering the question.
Continuum 1 there is no
Continuum 1
there is no hypocrisy here. I refuse to get involved in discussions of other religions. First, I am not an expert on that. Second, my main interest is Islam. Third, there are sites dedicated for that with a lot of know-how about the old testament and the new one. My message is clear. I fight Islam because Islam is evil. I do not fight other faiths. There is a lot of good in them. Whether such faiths are true or false is immaterial here. Most faiths do not harm others. In fact, such faiths teach to help others.
Now, why don't you come out and tell us your religion. I won't attack your beliefs, but there will be interesting responses from many readers. Are you a Hindu? Tell people here, and see the attacks you get, You seem to have a different approach than me. You like to discuss other religions, so come out and tell us your story. There are a lot of fangs waiting for you.
Peace(this will be my last comment here. I have children I need to tend to).
Dear Ibn Kammuna; I don't
Dear Ibn Kammuna; I don't think Continumm is attecking other religion as you said rather he is saying there are many similarities between Evil Islam and its root Old testicles of Bible.
You said --
===Are you a Hindu? Tell people here, and see the attacks you get, You seem to have a different approach than me. You like to discuss other religions, so come out and tell us your story. There are a lot of fangs waiting for you.===
That's a nice way to threaten someone over the net. LOL
HP and Continunum 1 There is
HP and Continunum 1
There is something very important for us to discuss here. See by attaching Christianity on this site we are taking the focus away from the real subject.
As you know very well, I am not big fan of any f the Semitic religions, yet I wish that we keep our Focus on Islam and not Christianity.
The reason being that it will only lead to bad blood and will not yield any results and will also take the focus off the subject.
Having said that I would also like to tell you guys that I am working on a Forum, where I people can curse all Abhrahmic faiths as much as they like. When the work is complete, you guys are welcome there. However let us limit ourselves to Islam on this Forum, because there are people from all walks of life present here.
As far as Ibn Kamuna is concerned, I know him very well and he a good person and harmless. He is not going to launch a crusade any time that I know. Ofcourse there is no harm in spilling the blood of Bigots like Freedom Fighter, let us not extend the courtesy to every Christian.
Truely speaking most of the Christians in the West are really harmless, like Ibn Kammuna and Marie. As far as the work of the Missionaries in Asia is conecrned, no good will come out of attaching these people. Simply because they don;t have a control over what Missionaries are doing.
Now its upto you guys to choose. If you want to go ahead and attack Christianity, I have no problems at all, because it does not affect me, but a lot of people visiting this site are put of by this, and I know many of them.
We would definately not want to sabotage all these years of hard work that Ali Sina has invested into making FFI a sucess. So all I ask of you is not play in to the hands of the many Islamists, who usually have to defend their Islam. By giving them fodder, we are indirectly helping their cause.
Ibn Kammuna says Are you a
Ibn Kammuna says
Are you a Hindu? Tell people here, and see the attacks you get, You seem to have a different approach than me. You like to discuss other religions, so come out and tell us your story. There are a lot of fangs waiting for you.
Dear IK, do you really think that scares anyone, especially someone like Continunum 1. I have seen the sort of destruction is capable of inflicting on your faith as well Islam. Even that so called Christian bigot Crusader called Freedom Fighter had to eat a humble pie and resort to fallacies when Continunum ppresented his arguments. So these threats are not really going to work.
Like Conti, HP, PK, I too believe that Christianity is an evil cult. But I am not going to bang Christianity, simply because I have a deep regard for Ali Sina, and not Christianity.
As far as attaching other faiths are concerned, you are welcome to invite all your crusader friends you can muster. I am telling you, not one of them will be able to defend your faith, because it is as illogical and as asnine as the Muslim faith. Just because the New Age insttitutions have defanged the chruch, it does not mean that your faith is particularly forgiving and history has enough examples to prove that.
Enough said, I am not going to bang Christianity again on this Forum, because I don;t want that Ali's hardwork be affected in any way whatsoever.
islam is the copycat of the
islam is the copycat of the brutal teaching abound in previous abrahamic scriptures. let analyze this:
women and prayers in islam:
Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annual prayers were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, "You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked sitting and troubling the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet." (Bukhari 9:493)
women and prayers in christianity:
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also says the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church (New Testament: 1 Corinthians 14:34-35)
disrespect of other religious temple in islam:
And by Allah, I have a plan for your idols - after ye go away and turn your backs. So he broke them to pieces, (all) but the biggest of them, that they might turn (and address themselves) to it. They said, "Who has done this to our gods? He must indeed be some man of impiety!" They said, "We heard a youth talk of them: He is called Abraham." (Quran 21:57-60)
disrespect of other religious temple in christianity:
You must demolish completely all the places where the nations whom you are about to dispossess served their gods, on the mountain heights, on the hills, and under every leafy tree. Break down their altars, smash their pillars, burn their sacred poles with fire, and hew down the idols of their gods, and thus blot out their name from their places. You shall not worship the Lord your God in such ways. (Deuteronomy 12:2-4)
destruction in islam:
How many a township have we destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, our terror came unto them. (Quran 7.4)
destruction in christianity:
I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence." (Luke 19:26-27)
i give credit to Wagamama since these evidence are all extracted from his article.
Humanity is but one family. :)
Continuum, HalalPork, and
Continuum, HalalPork, and others, I quite agree with Ibrahim's comments on restricting to Islam alone during discussion. I know Christian missionaries are the biggest nuisance in Asia. If our discussion is shifted to exposing Christianity, then we are definitely miles away from the main issue-- ISLAM. I am looking forward to Ibrahim's forum on semitic religions. Also, if an author on FFI writes anything that links Islam to pagan religions, then we have every right to link Islam with Christianity. By doing so, the moderators of FFI will be forced to publish articles related to Islam alone.
Good thinking Rationalist. By
Good thinking Rationalist. By attaching Christianity on this Forum, we are merely sheilding the Islamists, unknowingly. Its a fact.
In any case FFI is a household name today for attaching Islam and not Christianity, let us not make efforts to change what FFI is.
Most Asians are fully aware as to how evil Christianity is, however that does not give us the right to sabotage Ali's years of hardwork.
AS far as the forum is concerned, it is going to take some time, but I promise you this, we will make life hell for the Missionaries in Asia, and not just India.
But all of that for later, keep your anger for the times to come. We will need it to hound the European Missionaries who are out to destroy our heritage.
I agree as Ibrahim says. Lets
I agree as Ibrahim says. Lets focus on Islam. As far as IK is concerned, I have no issue with him. Peace to you IK.