Saudi Arabia and Why Child Marriage Is Allowed

Nice artical...

well these things are happening in Pakistan as well........

Few days Back ppl Arrested two men
one who married a 9years old girl
and the other who married to 7 year old....thy are in jail r not i'm not sure....but these things are happening in Muslim comunity day by day...there is a great Clash between Muslims.

Some of them love to Follow the SUNNA
and some of them dont really wanna follow it...

But i think those who against Islam and those who go against Sunna actually r not muslims.....

And those who dont follow sunna are not muslims....

so who is rite...
i think talabans are rite who want girls not to go out of home
they dont want girls to move freely
thy dont allow girls to go to schools...

but muslims say they r destroying Islam...

If Suppose 'Islam' is gone from the world one day, then being saudi will be a very shameful identity. They have to hide there identity and give compensation to the whole humanity.What a filthy, inhuman and dangerous ideology these maniacs had exported and still continue to do so. Hope Islam collapses sooner than later.

Hi friends Poma and Pathfinder‎

Would you please mention the passage from Quran where Islam/Quran/Muhammad ‎makes it mandatory on a Muslim to marry only with a child and not with an adult?‎

It is only an optional question; no compulsion.‎

All human beings are just like a family in this little village called Earht; I love them all ‎and hate none.‎

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Hei, paarsurrey. A child is a child. IF muhammad allow that then he was a pedophile. Muslim who like children also justified to do that. Do you ever realize how many children suffered from early marriage? Even in my country we have a lot of this. One of them became famous for marrying 12 years old child, and when he got arrested, he boasted about aisha and muhammad (the pedo) and mentioned that many muslim practice it freely and don't get arrested. He said that according to islamic law his marriage is legal. The bottom line is: If muslim like children there is no stopping them to get one. What a "divine" order.
Ah, by the way, your sect ahmadi is cursed by many muslims in my country, they said that ahmadi should change their name and rituals so it can be separated from islam. They called your kinds kafirs and need to be taught a lesson.

Muhammad was a pedophile and set the example for all men opf islam to follwo as he was perfect. looooooooool. Muslims can marry a 2 MONTH BABY WhILE CHANGING THE DIAPER.

Admadi are degraded as Muslims as infidels and the scourage of Arabic Islam.
Muslims cant stand you, like the Arab put the Black Muslims out of Islam (NOI).

Is snow haram?loooooooooooooooooooooool

‎4. Moooo Says
‎“He said that according to Islamic law his marriage (with a child) is legal”‎

If somebody blames Quran/Islam/Muhammad for which Quran never commanded; such a ‎person is to be blamed, not Quran/Islam/Muhammad. I think it should not be so difficult ‎to understand; it is reasonable.‎

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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paarsurrey, can you tell us something. I mean why do you keep on saying that you are a Ahmedi peaceful Muslim. Do you mean to say that all other Muslims are not peaceful and that Ahmedis have sole rights on peaceful?
To the best of my knowledge Ahmedis are not even Muslims. I have many friends from Pakistan who are Sunni Muslims, and they say that Ahmedis are impostors and not Muslims. This is why Ahmedis don't get a Muslim status in Pakistan.
So stop calling yourself a Muslim and say that you are the follower of whoever your prophet is.

Ahmadi Muslims are as made up as lipstick. These folks are not respected by Arabs and are not as loved in Islam anymore than NOI blacks. The Wahabbis plan to reinstate slavery in the world again as slavery Is Islamic. Al Fawzan said so.

Dear Paarsurrey:

i dont think it is clearly mentioned in the Quran and hadith that you have to marry young girl...but as you know thing are working according to SUNNA.....like Prophet Muhammed daily life things are called sunna..what he said and what he done is called sunna...if you want to follow the Islam and you want to go to heaven then you should follow the Sunna with love and Honesty...

One of the story states that Prophet Muhammed saw a baby girl who was in her mothers lap and her mother was feeding her...and prophet saw her and said whn she get young and if i will be alive i will marry her...we can say it simply tht it is a lust...a baby in her mothers lap getting her feed from her mothers Breast....first of all what Mohammed was doing there...and why he stated tht statement...this is realy a lust thinking....so this is happening because Prophet did..Prophet married young girl so that Muslims are doing so...because thy love to Follow the SUNNA..

sura 33:21 is what muslims use to justify their behavior. They think that mohammed is perfect so anything he did was moral.

muslims, justified mohammed's behavior because of surah 33:21 - the exemplar.

here is Yusuf Ali's translation:
21. Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern [of conduct] for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

If you want the before and after surahs, then use Yusuf Ali's translation. I personally don't recognize paarsurrey as an authentic translator - he translates for himself.

paarsurrey wrote:

"If somebody blames Quran/Islam/Muhammad for which Quran never commanded; such a ‎person is to be blamed, not Quran/Islam/Muhammad. I think it should not be so difficult ‎to understand; it is reasonable."

Hey, IT IS SANCTIONED IN QURAN. ACCORDING TO SHARIA LAW IT'S OK TO MARRY CHILDREN.
Did this simple explanation so hard for you to understand?

Hi friend Poma
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Thank you for acknowledgeing that there is no verse in Quran where it is commanded to ‎Muslims that they should not to marry adult girls; rather they should marry only child ‎girls.‎
Your concept of Sunnah is incorrect. Sunnah is something which is commanded or ‎mentioned in Quran and needed Muhammad to demonstrate it in action. If it is not ‎commanded in Quran, then it is not Sunnah. Please correct your concept.
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All human beings are just like a family; they should be loved and not hated.‎
Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

@paarsurrey
"If somebody blames Quran/Islam/Muhammad for which Quran never commanded; such a ‎person is to be blamed, not Quran/Islam/Muhammad. I think it should not be so difficult ‎to understand; it is reasonable.‎?‎"

By your logic, mohammad should be blamed for marrying a child which Quran neither condone nor support. So, tell me, how'd your muslims still have respect for this guy who claim himself to be a prophet and couldn't even follow the rules set out by the god he claimed to be exist? Take mohammad out from islam and see what left in it.

@Poma
"One of the story states that Prophet Muhammed saw a baby girl who was in her mothers lap and her mother was feeding her…and prophet saw her and said whn she get young and if i will be alive i will marry her…we can say it simply tht it is a lust…a baby in her mothers lap getting her feed from her mothers Breast….first of all what Mohammed was doing there…and why he stated tht statement…this is realy a lust thinking….so this is happening because Prophet did..Prophet married young girl so that Muslims are doing so…because thy love to Follow the SUNNA.."
This excerpt clearly shows mohammad sexual perversity. That's not what normal people would think of or say by the sight of a child. Rather than setting out commendable examples for the followers, he took 180 degree turn and did on his every evil whim. He had moral standard as good as of all the thugs and the scumbags, who walked on earth, combine.

Even if it is true, that it is not commanded in the Quran, mohammed etc... why those countries haven't stopped it then? Sex driven maniacs and they love to fondle little girls cause mohammed did. no point defending this.

Hi friend redjupiter58‎

Thank you for acknowledging in a way that Quran/Islam/Muhammad did not command to ‎marry the baby girls.‎

An intelligent question as to why countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan ‎etc continue with such malpractices. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan etc, are ‎political entities not carved by Quran/Muhammad/Islam or governed as per the ‎instruction contained therein. ‎

These countries are themeselves responsible for the actions they are doing; it is not fair to ‎blame Quran/Islam/Muhammad; for things never commanded by them. It is no difficult ‎to understand the problem these countries face; they are not demoractic, people there are ‎undeducated, ignorant and they have poor and primitive forms of the government. May ‎be it is more of their cultural part. ‎

These countries say that they are Muslim or Islamic countries; while ‎Quran/Islam/Muhammad never instructed them to remain undemocratic, uneducated, and ‎illiterate and that they should govern their people poorly and cruelly and with primitive ‎tools of government.‎

One cannot put the blame on others; while one is doing the misdeeds himself.‎

All human beings are just like one family; every one of them should be respected and ‎loved; not to be hated.‎

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Parr-the peaceful muslim

The Quran commanded the killing of all non-muslims. When an old man puts his projectile inside of a baby he kills her. Aisha lost her hair. She picked semen off Muhammad clothes.

How can you be peaceful Muslims and not kill. If you dont kill you are a traitor to allah. Muhammad locked a peaceful Muslim and his family inside of their home and set them on fire! This is what allah will do to you if you dont stop being peaceful. Ahmadis are hated anyway right along with Jews and christians and Hindus and Buddhist and the Nation of Islam blacks. If the religion teaches such evil, why are you still a part of Islam.-a muslim. I would never be a part of a cult that said kill Muslims. NEVER would i serve a god that said kill admadis. That is not even human let alone godlike, unless the god is allah. Stop folling yourself
and realize you are a bamboozled infidel.

paarsurrey, you did't answer my question. According to islamic law it's OK to marry children, no restriction. Why is it so hard for you to understand this simple statement? (a sign of brainwashed people)

Hi friend Moooo

The first and primary source of Islamic Law is Quran. There is no commandment in ‎Quran for marrying child girls; if there is any, please quote it. I would understand it; ‎nevermind.‎

I think you are a Catholic Christian.‎

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim‎

Why were you repeating your own statement? I said that muslim face no prohibition when they want to marry a child and quran never has a problem with that. Muhammad set the example (the sign that it's ok to marry children). I repeat again:

According to islamic law it’s OK to marry children, no restriction. What happen when you are allowed to do that, hmmm... CHILD MARRIAGES EVERYWHERE AND THE QURAN YOU ARE SO PROUD ABOUT IS HELPESS.

"I love Jesus and Mary"

That love is useless, because as a muslim you must hate non believers. Love people that exist so you can make that love into action.

Paar Sura 65:4 says marry babies before the period. Sex with male slaves is ok as Muhammad stopped the sale of a young boy for sex.
Muhammad said screw babies as did Khamini of Iran in 1990 said sex with a 2 month old babay was holy.
The Little Green Book. Many verses in Quran, hadith and muslims men in Afghanistan called boy toys ashnas.

Babies, animals is holy sex in Islam. Smoke weed but do not drink wine. Moses was told to drink wine. Prophet Moses!

Marry children, own sex slaves, kill kafirs, stone adulterer, etc. ALL OF THIS THINGs ARE HOLY!!!

Raisinhead
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July 18, 2009 • 5:20 pm
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Paar Sura 65:4 says marry babies before the period.
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Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Raisinhead
‎
I thought it was appropriate for our friend Raisinhead when referring to a text of the verse ‎of Quran to give the usual context of the same which normally consists of five preceding ‎and five following verses; and then to establish his viewpoint to convince the members of ‎this forum. Since he has not given it; I will like to make it convenient for my friends here ‎and I quote from an internet site:

[65:1] بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمـٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ
[65:1] بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
[65:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[65:1] اللہ کے نام کے ساتھ جو بے انتہا رحم کرنے والا، بِن مانگے دینے والا (اور) بار بار رحم کرنے والا ہے۔
[65:2] يٰۤاَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ اِذَا طَلَّقْتُمُ النِّسَآءَ فَطَلِّقُوْهُنَّ لِعِدَّتِهِنَّ وَاَحْصُوا الْعِدَّةَ ‌ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللّٰهَ رَبَّكُمْ‌ۚ لَا تُخْرِجُوْهُنَّ مِنْۢ بُيُوْتِهِنَّ وَلَا يَخْرُجْنَ اِلَّاۤ اَنْ يَّاْتِيْنَ بِفَاحِشَةٍ مُّبَيِّنَةٍ‌ؕ وَتِلْكَ حُدُوْدُ اللّٰهِ‌ؕ وَمَنْ يَّتَعَدَّ حُدُوْدَ اللّٰهِ فَقَدْ ظَلَمَ نَفْسَهٗ‌ؕ لَا تَدْرِىْ لَعَلَّ اللّٰهَ يُحْدِثُ بَعْدَ ذٰلِكَ اَمْرًا‏
[65:2] يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ إِذَا طَلَّقۡتُمُ ٱلنِّسَآءَ فَطَلِّقُوهُنَّ لِعِدَّتِہِنَّ وَأَحۡصُواْ ٱلۡعِدَّةَ‌ۖ وَٱتَّقُواْ ٱللَّهَ رَبَّڪُمۡ‌ۖ لَا تُخۡرِجُوهُنَّ مِنۢ بُيُوتِهِنَّ وَلَا يَخۡرُجۡنَ إِلَّآ أَن يَأۡتِينَ بِفَـٰحِشَةٍ۬ مُّبَيِّنَةٍ۬‌ۚ وَتِلۡكَ حُدُودُ ٱللَّهِ‌ۚ وَمَن يَتَعَدَّ حُدُودَ ٱللَّهِ فَقَدۡ ظَلَمَ نَفۡسَهُ ۥ‌ۚ لَا تَدۡرِى لَعَلَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحۡدِثُ بَعۡدَ ذَٲلِكَ أَمۡرً۬ا
[65:2] O Prophet! when you divorce women, divorce them for the prescribed period, and reckon the period; and fear Allah. Turn them not out of their houses, nor should they themselves leave unless they commit an act which is manifestly foul. And these are the limits set by Allah; and whoso transgresses the limits of Allah, he indeed wrongs his own soul. Thou knowest not; it may be that thereafter Allah will bring something new to pass.
[65:2] اے نبی! جب تم (لوگ) اپنی بیویوں کو طلاق دیا کرو تو ان کو ان کی (طلاق کی) عدت کے مطابق طلاق دو اور عدت کا شمار رکھو اور اللہ، اپنے ربّ سے ڈرو۔ انہیں اُن کے گھروں سے نہ نکالو اور نہ وہ خود نکلیں سوائے اس کے کہ وہ کھلی کھلی بے حیائی کی مرتکب ہوئی ہوں۔ اور یہ اللہ کی حدود ہیں اور جو بھی اللہ کی حدود سے تجاوز کرے تو یقیناً اس نے اپنی جان پر ظلم کیا۔ تُو نہیں جانتا کہ شاید اس کے بعد اللہ کوئی (نیا) فیصلہ ظاہر کردے۔
[65:3] فَاِذَا بَلَغْنَ اَجَلَهُنَّ فَاَمْسِكُوْهُنَّ بِمَعْرُوْفٍ اَوْ فَارِقُوْهُنَّ بِمَعْرُوْفٍ وَّاَشْهِدُوْا ذَوَىْ عَدْلٍ مِّنْكُمْ وَاَقِيْمُوا الشَّهَادَةَ لِلّٰهِ‌ؕ ذٰلِكُمْ يُوْعَظُ بِهٖ مَنْ كَانَ يُؤْمِنُ بِاللّٰهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْاٰخِرِ‌ ؕ وَمَنْ يَّتَّقِ اللّٰهَ يَجْعَل لَّهٗ مَخْرَجًاۙ‏
[65:3] فَإِذَا بَلَغۡنَ أَجَلَهُنَّ فَأَمۡسِكُوهُنَّ بِمَعۡرُوفٍ أَوۡ فَارِقُوهُنَّ بِمَعۡرُوفٍ۬ وَأَشۡہِدُواْ ذَوَىۡ عَدۡلٍ۬ مِّنكُمۡ وَأَقِيمُواْ ٱلشَّهَـٰدَةَ لِلَّهِ‌ۚ ذَٲلِڪُمۡ يُوعَظُ بِهِۦ مَن كَانَ يُؤۡمِنُ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلۡيَوۡمِ ٱلۡأَخِرِ‌ۚ وَمَن يَتَّقِ ٱللَّهَ يَجۡعَل لَّهُ ۥ مَخۡرَجً۬ا
[65:3] Then, when they are about to reach their prescribed term, keep them with kindness, or put them away with kindness, and call to witness two just persons from among you; and bear true witness for Allah. This is by which is admonished he who believes in Allah and the Last Day. And he who fears Allah — He will make for him a way out,
[65:3] پس جب وہ اپنی مقررہ میعاد کو پہنچ جائیں تو پھر انہیں معروف طریق پر روک لو یا انہیں معروف طریق پر جدا کردو اور اپنے میں سے دو صاحبِ انصاف (شخصوں) کو گواہ ٹھہرا لو اور اللہ کے لئے شہادت کو قائم کرو۔ یہ وہ امر ہے جس کی نصیحت کی جاتی ہے ہر اس شخص کو، جو اللہ اور یومِ آخر پر ایمان لاتا ہے۔ اور جو اللہ سے ڈرے اُس کے لئے وہ نجات کی کوئی راہ بنا دیتا ہے۔
[65:4] وَّيَرْزُقْهُ مِنْ حَيْثُ لَا يَحْتَسِبُ‌ؕ وَمَنْ يَّتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللّٰهِ فَهُوَ حَسْبُهٗؕ اِنَّ اللّٰهَ بَالِغُ اَمْرِهٖ‌ؕ قَدْ جَعَلَ اللّٰهُ لِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ قَدْرًا‏
[65:4] وَيَرۡزُقۡهُ مِنۡ حَيۡثُ لَا يَحۡتَسِبُ‌ۚ وَمَن يَتَوَكَّلۡ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ فَهُوَ حَسۡبُهُ ۥۤ‌ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ بَـٰلِغُ أَمۡرِهِۦ‌ۚ قَدۡ جَعَلَ ٱللَّهُ لِكُلِّ شَىۡءٍ۬ قَدۡرً۬ا
[65:4] And will provide for him from where he expects not. And he who puts his trust in Allah — He is sufficient for him. Verily, Allah will accomplish His purpose. For everything has Allah appointed a measure.
[65:4] اور وہ اُسے وہاں سے رزق عطا کرتا ہے جہاں سے وہ گمان بھی نہیں کرسکتا۔ اور جو اللہ پر توکل کرے تو وہ اُس کے لئے کافی ہے۔ یقیناً اللہ اپنے فیصلہ کو مکمل کرکے رہتا ہے۔ اللہ نے ہر چیز کا ایک منصوبہ بنا رکھا ہے۔
[65:5] وَالّٰٓـىٴِْ يَٮِٕسْنَ مِنَ الْمَحِيْضِ مِنْ نِّسَآٮِٕكُمْ اِنِ ارْتَبْتُمْ فَعِدَّتُهُنَّ ثَلٰثَةُ اَشْهُرٍ وَّالّٰٓـىٴِْ لَمْ يَحِضْنَ‌ؕ وَاُولَاتُ الْاَحْمَالِ اَجَلُهُنَّ اَنْ يَّضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ‌ؕ وَمَنْ يَّتَّقِ اللّٰهَ يَجْعَل لَّهٗ مِنْ اَمْرِهٖ یُسْرًا‏
[65:5] وَٱلَّـٰٓـِٔى يَٮِٕسۡنَ مِنَ ٱلۡمَحِيضِ مِن نِّسَآٮِٕكُمۡ إِنِ ٱرۡتَبۡتُمۡ فَعِدَّتُہُنَّ ثَلَـٰثَةُ أَشۡهُرٍ۬ وَٱلَّـٰٓـِٔى لَمۡ يَحِضۡنَ‌ۚ وَأُوْلَـٰتُ ٱلۡأَحۡمَالِ أَجَلُهُنَّ أَن يَضَعۡنَ حَمۡلَهُنَّ‌ۚ وَمَن يَتَّقِ ٱللَّهَ يَجۡعَل لَّهُ ۥ مِنۡ أَمۡرِهِۦ يُسۡرً۬ا
[65:5] And if you are in doubt as to such of your women as despair of monthly courses, then know that the prescribed period for them is three months, and the same is for such as have not had their monthly courses yet. And as for those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. And whoso fears Allah, He will provide facilities for him in his affair.
[65:5] اور تمہاری عورتوں میں سے جو حیض سے مایوس ہوچکی ہوں اگر تمہیں شک ہو تو ان کی عدت تین مہینے ہے اور اُن کی بھی جو حائضہ نہیں ہوئیں۔ اور جہاں تک حمل والیوں کا تعلق ہے اُن کی عدت وضعِ حمل ہے۔ اور جو اللہ کا تقویٰ اختیار کرے اللہ اپنے حکم سے اس کے لئے آسانی پیدا کردے گا۔
[65:6] ذٰلِكَ اَمْرُ اللّٰهِ اَنْزَلَهٗۤ اِلَيْكُمْ‌ؕ وَمَنْ يَّتَّقِ اللّٰهَ يُكَفِّرْ عَنْهُ سَيِّاٰتِهٖ وَيُعْظِمْ لَهٗۤ اَجْرًا‏
[65:6] ذَٲلِكَ أَمۡرُ ٱللَّهِ أَنزَلَهُ ۥۤ إِلَيۡكُمۡ‌ۚ وَمَن يَتَّقِ ٱللَّهَ يُكَفِّرۡ عَنۡهُ سَيِّـَٔاتِهِۦ وَيُعۡظِمۡ لَهُ ۥۤ أَجۡرًا
[65:6] That is the command of Allah which He has revealed to you. And whoso fears Allah — He will remove the evil consequences of his deeds and will enlarge his reward.
[65:6] یہ اللہ کا حکم ہے جو اُس نے تمہاری طرف اتارا۔ اور جو اللہ سے ڈرتا ہے وہ اُس سے اس کی برائیاں دور کر دیتا ہے اور اُس کے اَجر کو بہت بڑھا دیتا ہے۔
[65:7] اَسْكِنُوْهُنَّ مِنْ حَيْثُ سَكَنْتُمْ مِّنْ وُّجْدِكُمْ وَلَا تُضَآرُّوْهُنَّ لِتُضَيِّقُوْا عَلَيْهِنَّ‌ؕ وَاِنْ كُنَّ اُولَاتِ حَمْلٍ فَاَنْفِقُوْا عَلَيْهِنَّ حَتّٰى يَضَعْنَ حَمْلَهُنَّ‌‌ۚ فَاِنْ اَرْضَعْنَ لَـكُمْ فَاٰتُوْهُنَّ اُجُوْرَهُنَّ‌ۚ وَاْتَمِرُوْا بَيْنَكُمْ بِمَعْرُوْفٍ‌ۚ وَاِنْ تَعَاسَرْتُمْ فَسَتُرْضِعُ لَهٗۤ اُخْرٰىؕ‏
[65:7] أَسۡكِنُوهُنَّ مِنۡ حَيۡثُ سَكَنتُم مِّن وُجۡدِكُمۡ وَلَا تُضَآرُّوهُنَّ لِتُضَيِّقُواْ عَلَيۡہِنَّ‌ۚ وَإِن كُنَّ أُوْلَـٰتِ حَمۡلٍ۬ فَأَنفِقُواْ عَلَيۡہِنَّ حَتَّىٰ يَضَعۡنَ حَمۡلَهُنَّ‌ۚ فَإِنۡ أَرۡضَعۡنَ لَكُمۡ فَـَٔاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ‌ۖ وَأۡتَمِرُواْ بَيۡنَكُم بِمَعۡرُوفٍ۬‌ۖ وَإِن تَعَاسَرۡتُمۡ فَسَتُرۡضِعُ لَهُ ۥۤ أُخۡرَىٰ
[65:7] Lodge them during the prescribed period in the houses wherein you dwell, according to the best of your means; and harass them not that you may create hardships for them. And if they be with child, spend on them until they are delivered of their burden. And if they give suck to the child for you, give them their recompense, and consult with one another in kindness; but if you meet with difficulty from each other, then another woman shall suckle the child for him (the father).
[65:7] اُن کو سکونت مہیا کرو جہاں تم (خود) اپنی حیثیت کے مطابق رہتے ہو اور انہیں تکلیف نہ پہنچاؤ تاکہ ان پر زندگی تنگ کردو۔ اور اگر وہ حمل والیاں ہوں تو ان پر خرچ کرتے رہو یہاں تک کہ وہ اپنے حمل سے فارغ ہو جائیں۔ پھر اگر وہ تمہاری خاطر دودھ پلائیں تو ان کی اُجرت انہیں دو اور اپنے درمیان معروف کے مطابق موافقت کا ماحول پیدا کرو اور اگر تم ایک دوسرے سے (معاملہ فہمی میں) تنگی محسوس کرو تو اُس (باپ) کے لئے کوئی دوسری (دودھ پلانے والی) دودھ پلا ئے۔
[65:8] لِيُنْفِقْ ذُوْ سَعَةٍ مِّنْ سَعَتِهٖ‌ؕ وَمَنْ قُدِرَ عَلَيْهِ رِزْقُهٗ فَلْيُنْفِقْ مِمَّاۤ اٰتٰٮهُ اللّٰهُ‌ؕ لَا يُكَلِّفُ اللّٰهُ نَفْسًا اِلَّا مَاۤ اٰتٰٮهَا‌ؕ سَيَجْعَلُ اللّٰهُ بَعْدَ عُسْرٍ يُّسْرًا‏
[65:8] لِيُنفِقۡ ذُو سَعَةٍ۬ مِّن سَعَتِهِۦ‌ۖ وَمَن قُدِرَ عَلَيۡهِ رِزۡقُهُ ۥ فَلۡيُنفِقۡ مِمَّآ ءَاتَٮٰهُ ٱللَّهُ‌ۚ لَا يُكَلِّفُ ٱللَّهُ نَفۡسًا إِلَّا مَآ ءَاتَٮٰهَا‌ۚ سَيَجۡعَلُ ٱللَّهُ بَعۡدَ عُسۡرٍ۬ يُسۡرً۬ا
[65:8] Let him who has abundance of means spend out of his abundance. And let him whose means of subsistence are straitened spend out of what Allah has given him. Allah burdens not any soul beyond that which He has given it. Allah will soon bring about ease after hardship.
[65:8] چاہئے کہ صاحبِ حیثیت اپنی حیثیت کے مطابق خرچ کرے اور جس پر اُس کا رزق تھوڑا کردیا گیا ہو تو جو بھی اُسے اللہ نے دیا ہے وہ اس میں سے خرچ کرے۔ اللہ ہرگز کسی جان کو اس سے بڑھ کر جو اُس نے اُسے دیا ہو تکلیف نہیں دیتا۔ اللہ ضرور ہر تنگی کے بعد ایک آسانی پیدا کردیتا ہے۔
[65:9] وَكَاَيِّنْ مِّنْ قَرْيَةٍ عَتَتْ عَنْ اَمْرِ رَبِّهَا وَرُسُلِهٖ فَحَاسَبْنٰهَا حِسَابًا شَدِيْدًاۙ وَّعَذَّبْنٰهَا عَذَابًا نُّكْرًا‏
[65:9] وَكَأَيِّن مِّن قَرۡيَةٍ عَتَتۡ عَنۡ أَمۡرِ رَبِّہَا وَرُسُلِهِۦ فَحَاسَبۡنَـٰهَا حِسَابً۬ا شَدِيدً۬ا وَعَذَّبۡنَـٰهَا عَذَابً۬ا نُّكۡرً۬ا
[65:9] How many a city rebelled against the command of its Lord and His Messengers, and We called it to severe account, and punished it with dire punishment!
[65:9] اور کتنی ہی ایسی بستیاں ہیں جنہوں نے اپنے ربّ کے حکم کی نافرمانی کی اور اس کے رسولوں کی بھی تو ہم نے ان سے ایک بہت سخت حساب لیا اور انہیں بہت تکلیف دِہ عذاب میں مبتلا کیا۔
[65:10] فَذَاقَتْ وَبَالَ اَمْرِهَا وَكَانَ عَاقِبَةُ اَمْرِهَا خُسْرًا‏
[65:10] فَذَاقَتۡ وَبَالَ أَمۡرِهَا وَكَانَ عَـٰقِبَةُ أَمۡرِهَا خُسۡرًا
[65:10] So it tasted the evil consequences of its conduct, and the end of its affair was ruin.
[65:10] پس انہوں نے اپنے فیصلہ کا وبال چکھ لیا اور ان کے کاموں کا انجام گھاٹا تھا۔

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=65

Anybody here may please mention with reasonable arguments that the text in Arabic and its context straightforwardly discusses and commands child marriage. My opinion is that the Quran here discusses the adult women and not the child girls; not even remotely.

Loveing ratinonality and humanity are good virtues.

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I guess what is applicable to Prophet Muhammad is not applicable to all humanity. e.g. marrying 6 or 9 yr old is the exception given to him. Or marrying more than 4 wives is also exception to him. Also the exception for prophet is that he can't divorce any of his wife. These things should be also taken into consideration during discussion. If somebody e.g. Arabs etc.. is not folowing those guidelines, then person itself is wrong, not the prophet.

The above snaps looks like Afghani snaps if you look at the turban of male and race of the girl (mountainside one). Here in the name of Faith Freedom, authors are pushing lies ! who knows.

"I guess what is applicable to Prophet Muhammad is not applicable to all humanity. e.g. marrying 6 or 9 yr old is the exception given to him. Or marrying more than 4 wives is also exception to him."

Hiihiiihiii... You make me laugh, really!!! Your assumption is baseless. So you meant that muhammad the pedo can do anything he wanted, even his god obeyed him. Hahahahaha....

Raisinhead
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July 18, 2009 • 5:20 pm ‎”‎
‎Paar Sura 65:4 says marry babies before the period.

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Paarsurrey says:
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I posted earlier my comments on the post of our friend raisinhead; somehow it could not ‎get through, perhaps due to being legthy, having ten veses from Quran 65:1-10. Please ‎access the verses from the following link:
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‎http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=65
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I thought it was appropriate for our friend Raisinhead whenever referring to a text of the ‎verse ‎of Quran to give the usual context of the same which normally consists of five ‎preceding ‎and five following verses; and then to establish his viewpoint to convince the ‎members of ‎this forum. Since he had not given it; I will suggest my friends to access the ‎above link to have an insight in the matter.
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Anybody here may please mention with reasonable arguments that the text in Arabic and ‎‎its context straightforwardly discusses and commands child marriage. My opinion is that ‎‎the Quran discusses the adult women and not the child girls in the verses; not even ‎remotely.‎
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Loving ratinonality and humanity are good virtues.
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Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

"My opinion is that ‎‎the Quran discusses the adult women and not the child girls in the verses; not even ‎remotely."

Your opinion is useless because it's just an opinon. No adult woman, but females who already have their mense. The important thing is: female who are ready (biologically not mentally) to have children (who cares if she's a child). Look at reality, is there any fatwa that forbid marrying a child? Big no.

You don't have to be an islamic scholar to see through the specious doublespeak of paarsurrey. This sort of islamic stoogery and psychological gameplaying is common. It is pointless to argue that there is no command in the koran to marry children when the life and actions of mohammed are held up as a paradigm that all muslims should follow. That is, the instruction to marry children, as did mohammed, is directly implied by the command to follow, obey and in the general apotheosis of mohammed.

muslims are incapable of logic or reason. These things are unknown to them as they were unknown to mohammed. They merely adopt these things as engines of propaganda and sophistry. These terms are useful tools, as a vehicle to subvert the thinking of westerners because they know that saying something is 'reasonable' or 'logical' has a force of persuasion to the western mind.

There is nothing logical or persuasive on one hand declaring the actions, life and morality of muhammed as being the acme of virtue which must be emulated by every muslim and then resorting to the idle trickery of cherry picking unpalatable truths about this pedophilic charlatan by saying 'but there is no command to do this particular thing....', for the benefit of trying to hoodwink a western audience. The overall 'command' is on page one of the manual so there is no requirement to repeat it eveywhere and in every situation.

paarsurrey you are not loved and you do not love. Of that I am certain. And drivelling away Christian platitudes is not going to save you. Especially the lying 'loving' muslims are going to be dealt with for the reasons you know only too well!

Hi friend Moooo

You said, “Is there any fatwa that forbid marrying a child?”‎

Please mind it, we are talking of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; there weren’t any fatwas ‎‎(edicts) at the time Muhammad lived. The natural Quranic Revelation was to be followed. ‎Since Muhammad did not do it as it was never commanded by God Allah YHWH so it is ‎not there; as simple as that.‎

I think it is now clear to everybody here.‎

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paarsurrey,

"Since Muhammad did not do it as it was never commanded by God Allah YHWH so it is ‎not there; as simple as that.‎"

Pedo mo did it. Marrying 6 years old child is pedophilia. Your allah also allow it even allah gave baby aisha to marry pedo mo..

"Please mind it, we are talking of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; there weren’t any fatwas ‎‎(edicts) at the time Muhammad lived"

We talk about islam and its influence until today. Fatwa is the result of understanding quran, hadith and sunna. So i ask again, Is there any fatwa that forbid marrying a child? Answer yes or no.
a Yes means that quran againts pedophilia
a No means that quran support or at least consider pedophilia as normal and common practice.
Do this simple thinking so hard for you?

Hello, paarsurrey? Do you still alive? Don't tell me that sunni people got you.

Hi friend Moooo

Since Quran is the first and foremost source of guidance of Islam so any accusations to Quran/Islam/Muhammad for which they did not command is not justifiable and is an inhuman act.

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paarsurrey, oh man. Is it so hard to answer yes or no? Come on man, answer my question first.

What's the matter paarsurrey? Cat got your tongue?

considering the reverse of the argument..
which is the biblical portion which instructs a man to marry?? Jesus never did marry.....
so does that imply that men should not marry if they want to be a good christian??..
or are Christians not supposed to follow Christ!!!...

consider marry, mother of Jesus. she was married at a young age of 12. i am not saying that god should protect every one from every bad thing that could happen to them, but it might be reasonable to say he should have prevented marry (the woman who was about to bear his son) from falling into hands of a "Child Molester". or was god ok with child marriage??

i am not saying child marriage in the meaning of marriage as we see today is right but if the entire duties and responsibilities coming through it were different under a totally different social background may be it was ok.............

being said all this there is no way that any society especially one as rich (richness in modern world brings about a kind of stability to the state if logged for) as Saudi to be still allowing child marriage.

i think that rules of Islam should be evaluated and practiced based on the logic behind it and not by mere copying..

a classical case of the above will be that one of having more that one wife.
this was allowed in the religions as in the olden times number of men in the society was considerably smaller that the number of woman as soldiers were mostly men .and obviously their death rate was higher. so to protect the rights of woman including the one to have a family. men had to be allowed to marry more that one woman.

since such a case exist no more i think it is right to say that Islam no longer supports a man having more than one wife. and if in future for some crazy reasons the number of men increases with respect to woman. woman will have to be allowed to marry more than one man.

what i said is my view and does not represent Muslims as a whole.

"which is the biblical portion which instructs a man to marry??"

There is an instruction, search it first. I'm not a bible expert nor this site.

" Jesus never did marry….."

Jesus was a spiritual person, marrying woman is not important. His heaven and kingdom is spiritual.

"so does that imply that men should not marry if they want to be a good christian??..
or are Christians not supposed to follow Christ!!!…"

Your words mean that you never really read the bible.

"consider marry, mother of Jesus. she was married at a young age of 12. i am not saying that god should protect every one from every bad thing that could happen to them,"

Mary is not 12 years old when she married. Your source is quran not bible.

"but it might be reasonable to say he should have prevented marry (the woman who was about to bear his son) from falling into hands of a “Child Molester”. or was god ok with child marriage??"

Quranic assumption. You assumed that every man in that era were all child molester and pedophile.

"was god ok with child marriage??"

Why don't you ask your god? You are the believer after all.

"i think that rules of Islam should be evaluated and practiced based on the logic behind it and not by mere copying.."

Tell that to muslim, not here. They are the one that practice child marriages and your quran allows it.

"since such a case exist no more i think it is right to say that Islam no longer supports a man having more than one wife. and if in future for some crazy reasons the number of men increases with respect to woman. woman will have to be allowed to marry more than one man."

That was your interpretation or should i say opinion. The fact is: muslim man still have 7th century barbarian standard when comes to value woman.

"what i said is my view and does not represent Muslims as a whole."

In other words, "minority" which is useless.