Rez vs the FFI Staff

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To FFI
Date Jan 16, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject Islam



Ali Sina,

I have evidently spent a lot of time on you, and i hope you read everything i have to say. Even after reading the opinions voiced in this website, I cannot see how you can incite hatred on the muslims. There are so many muslims who are being oppressed nowadays and many without shelter or food. And here we are in a society where we throw away half eaten food, backbite, commercialise, forget abstinence, and celebrate christmas for all the wrong reasons and do whatever we please. We are living heaven on earth at this rate. Why are the majority of people in poverty? Is this life not a test by God for both the wealthy and the poor? People can live fruitful lives by following Islamic code, and although much rules and regulations are justified, the level of belief of the religion also justifies small prohibitions. For example, not being able to eat pork. Why eat pork anyway? theres thousands of other meat out there. Its been prohibited big deal. We do not blindly follow, yet because our level of belief is so high, there is no more point in questioning Islam.

Another thing, if this religion is a demonic cult, why does Islam forbid alcoholism, taking drugs, rape, murder, lust, greed, arrogance, pride, desire, etc? Why does it promote forgiveness, kindness, justice, mercy, love and so on? The problem with western society is that they are being clouded by satan to have a very lenient mentality towards those who sin, and that forgiveness is all there is to life, causing society to forget that justice is just as important. I am not saying that forgiveness is wrong. But there are limits. Satan is also causing society to think that with all their modern-day technology and science, they are somehow better than the people of the East. That really is arrogance. How many people are being raped in muslim countries compared to the west? I'm not "hating" on the west but everything that Islam teaches is always a solution to the world's problems. For example, giving a percentage of wealth to the poor, how can u possibly devise that as evil. Yep, we are a demonic satanic cult. Satan said, "o you who believe, share your wealth with the poor". Like thats ever happened. Oh yeah, and how come everyone loves robin hood? he stole from the rich and gave to the poor, and was a "great guy", but suddenly muhammad (peace be upon him) is a looter? About Muhammad being compared to modern day paedophiles. Now that is wrong. He was not taken in by lust, unlike people do nowadays. Nowadays relationships are all about Sex. If theyre crap in bed, theyre not worth it. The story between Muhammad and Aisha is one of the most beautiful stories of love and caring. Aisha herself narrated those hadithe and she did not sound oppressed at all. In fact she loved him and testified that he was the prophet of God. Oh yeah, how can Allah be satan? Allah just means God in arabic. What the hell? And surely satan is a hate figure throughout the quran? People are getting married in theyre 40s and have children later, so theyre children start calling them grampa. The qur'an therefore teaches us to marry young, so were not persuaded by evil actions. Even if Qur'an is evil, it must only be at a subconscious level, because the amount of research u seemed to have done to look for something bad is nowhere near how much a muslim would have done, and therefore he cannot be evil if he knows not of evil in his religion.

About women in Islam, why are most converts to Islam, women? You have grasped the situation at hand in completely the wrong way. Women, from birth to death, do not need to spend a single penny on anyone at all. When she is a child, her father MUST pay for whatever she requires. When she is married, her husband MUST provide for her needs. When she is old, her sons have an obligation to take good care of her. She need not lift a finger, how's that for a queen. All that is asked of women is to take care of children, which is only natural, seen as they have been biologically attached for nine months anyway. We don't believe men and women are equal, because just by looking at them you can see theyre not the same. We may not believe in equality, but we believe in EQUITY, which is fairness of both sexes. Both sexes have their own rights and their own limits, and we should abide by those limits. I am a boy, and i have to admit, the life of muslim women is very very hard, but we're forgetting that this life is temporary, and a test.

The media is a very powerful tool in turning everyone against an ideology. In this case Islam falls victim. The media do not like stories which are not controversial, we all know this and it is obvious. This is why people on tv are muslims who call themselves muslims, but do not have a clue. Society's image of muslims has been damaged by the disgrace of a minority. I can understand why you came to conclude that this religion is evil. But all of your arguments are based on misunderstandings and probably a very difficult life. There are many parents who forcefeed islam into their children and do not take their time to actually teach them why they believe in it and compare it to other religions, and these parents are not very good ones. Many children brought up in this way often remain lost. We look for the straight path and all we say is "god, guide us to the straight path". This cannot be from satan.

About your site, claiming noone can disprove muhammad was a list of bad things. Can you prove them? Asking someone to disprove ideas about muhammad is like asking someone to disprove that you are bisexual for example. I hope i am not offending you, although this is nothing compared to the offence u have put upon my beliefs.

Finally i very upset that you have to conclude a religion as such, especially when the christians were just as barbaric a few centuries ago, burning protestants, and then burning catholics, and then burning protestants again. Oh yeah, and they conquered much of the east as part of an empire, and have fled with their riches, can you not remmeber that. After being to india, the first indian person my age who i have talked to told me that britain has robbed them. Now us muslims are not blaming christianity for this issue, we are not saying christianity is a demonic cult just because a few christians took over the world. I almost forgot about the crusades, where the christians killed thousands of muslims, including sala'uddins wife, after having agreed that they would not harm them if they were to rule jerusalem. We keep our word. This is why sala'uddin had no choice but to go after jerusalem again. When the prophet's army were in holy war, one of the muslims had defeated his opponent, who was lying on the floor and the muslim was just about to take the non-muslim's life when the non-muslim spat on the muslim's face. The muslim walked away without killing him. This is because the death would have been due to his own desire for revenge rather than part of holy war. I have been very angry over what has been said by you but i have managed to contain myself, as anger is a big sin. I hope what i have said has been truth and i am in deep regret for any lies i may have accidentally stated without knowledge. I make mistakes, i'm only 18.

I pray for your guidance, inshallah

Person R

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To Rez:

Okay Rez since you took the time to write it out, I will take the time to read it and reply to it. I am not Ali Sina. I help Ali out by answering some of the email.
On 1/16/07, Rez wrote:
Ali Sina,

I have evidently spent a lot of time on you, and i hope you read everything i have to say. Even after reading the opinions voiced in this website, I cannot see how you can incite hatred on the muslims.

Ali Sina does not incite hatred against the muslims. You are mistaken and it shows you have not read Ali Sina's writings. Ali Sina does say that Islam is not a religion but an evil cult and should be discarded by humanity. I happen to agree with him.

There are so many muslims who are being oppressed nowadays and many without shelter or food. And here we are in a society where we throw away half eaten food, backbite, commercialise, forget abstinence, and celebrate christmas for all the wrong reasons and do whatever we please. We are living heaven on earth at this rate.

Look around some more and perhaps the answers will come.

Why are the majority of people in poverty? Is this life not a test by God for both the wealthy and the poor?

That is an awfully complicated question and the simple answers have been shown to be wrong. Some of the poverty is certainly self inflicted.

People can live fruitful lives by following Islamic code, and although much rules and regulations are justified, the level of belief of the religion also justifies small prohibitions.

That is false. People cannot live fruitful lives following the Islamic code. There is no clearer demonstration of that than your bengal. Pakistan, India and Bangladesh were essentially the same country 60 years ago. The only difference between them was that India decided to be secular while the other two decided to be Islamic. And the results are clear to every one when they look at Pakistan and Bangladesh. Population is exploding, illiteracy is rampant, and people still cannot have enough of Islam. Bangladesh is a tad better than Pakistan because it is a tad less islamic than pakistan.

For example, not being able to eat pork. Why eat pork anyway? theres thousands of other meat out there. Its been prohibited big deal. We do not blindly follow, yet because our level of belief is so high, there is no more point in questioning Islam.

You show your blindness and inability to think. It is not the eating or not eating of Pork that is important or the issue. It is the freedom to eat or not eat the pork. If someone wants to eat port what is it to anyone else? But that is not allowed in an islamic country. And that lack of freedom starts rippling out to many other spheres of life.

Another thing, if this religion is a demonic cult, why does Islam forbid alcoholism, taking drugs, rape, murder, lust, greed, arrogance, pride, desire, etc?

You are wrong again. Islam allows rape of non-muslim women captives and murder of non-muslims without much penalty. It does promote lust and greed and pride. A muslim theif is better than a kaffir saint according to muslim and that has been stated by muslims many a times.

Why does it promote forgiveness, kindness, justice, mercy, love and so on?

Only between muslims and followers of muhammed. Show me where it promotes forgiveness or kindness towards non-muslims. As a matter of fact Islam explicitly states to be harsh towards the non-muslims. You see the problem with islam is the boundary between the non-muslims and the muslims. Now the world is small and the kaffirs are finding out that Islam is different than any other belief. Islam divides mankind into muslims and kaffirs and a perpetual war by the muslims on the kaffirs. Islam has no concept on how to live peacefully with kaffirs .

The problem with western society is that they are being clouded by satan to have a very lenient mentality towards those who sin, and that forgiveness is all there is to life, causing society to forget that justice is just as important. I am not saying that forgiveness is wrong.

So why are you in the west? Why do you not go to your islamic country? You are being a hypocrite and a liar. Stoning a woman is not justice. Cutting hands is not justice.

But there are limits. Satan is also causing society to think that with all their modern-day technology and science, they are somehow better than the people of the East. That really is arrogance.

Is that why they are sharing that technology with everyone openly? Is that why they let students come from all countries to learn and take technology back? Is that why they help the victims of the natural disasters way more than the muslims did for other muslims? You are now playing the victim that Islam has always taught the muslims to play. Muhammed was excellent at that.

How many people are being raped in muslim countries compared to the west?

A lot more I will bet. The west collects data and punishes the rapists. They truthfully looks at the problems of the society so they can be fixed. You show me credible data from one of your muslim countries and we can run a comparison. In many muslim socities many rape cases are not even registered by the police. Look at the case by Mukhtaran Mai of Pakistan and see how long it took her to even get a initial report filed with the police let alone get justice. She is still waiting for her case to be decided. So stop lying to yourself and to others. People know better now.

I'm not "hating" on the west but everything that Islam teaches is always a solution to the world's problems.

No it is not. Islam is an evil curse and is not a solution to anything. You have already demonstrated that you are unable to tell the truth about simple things.

For example, giving a percentage of wealth to the poor, how can u possibly devise that as evil. Yep, we are a demonic satanic cult. Satan said, "o you who believe, share your wealth with the poor". Like thats ever happened. Oh yeah, and how come everyone loves robin hood? he stole from the rich and gave to the poor, and was a "great guy", but suddenly muhammad (peace be upon him) is a looter?

Which world do you live in? Which Islamic country now or in history do you know where there has not been a massive inequity of wealth? Even your muhammed took 20% cut of the loot that the muslims were getting. Then the obscene wealth and depravity of the Caliphas is mind boggling. Harems containing 15000 to 60000 slaves and you have the nerve to talk about sharing wealth with the poor!!!

About Muhammad being compared to modern day paedophiles. Now that is wrong. He was not taken in by lust, unlike people do nowadays. Nowadays relationships are all about Sex. If theyre crap in bed, theyre not worth it. The story between Muhammad and Aisha is one of the most beautiful stories of love and caring. Aisha herself narrated those hadithe and she did not sound oppressed at all. In fact she loved him and testified that he was the prophet of God. Oh yeah, how can Allah be satan? Allah just means God in arabic. What the hell? And surely satan is a hate figure throughout the quran? People are getting married in theyre 40s and have children later, so theyre children start calling them grampa. The qur'an therefore teaches us to marry young, so were not persuaded by evil actions. Even if Qur'an is evil, it must only be at a subconscious level, because the amount of research u seemed to have done to look for something bad is nowhere near how much a muslim would have done, and therefore he cannot be evil if he knows not of evil in his religion.


You are again proving how Islam kills the human conscience. Muhammed marries a six year old when he is 53 and you do not want to call that pedophila. he did not give into lust!! How the hell would you know? And why would Aiesha grow to say that muhammed did evil by her. How would she know? Her parents handed her over to him and he is the big honcho of the gang. And that is acceptable to you? And is that why sex with pre pubertal girls is allowed by Imam Khomenii. Is that why Ghadha Jamshir gets on TV to complain of muslims indulging in Mutta marriages and thighing few month old baby girls!!! Take your lies and your evil hypocrisy and tell it to someone else. Of all the days, today I do not have the patience to listen to idiocy and nonsense like that.

About women in Islam, why are most converts to Islam, women? You have grasped the situation at hand in completely the wrong way. Women, from birth to death, do not need to spend a single penny on anyone at all. When she is a child, her father MUST pay for whatever she requires. When she is married, her husband MUST provide for her needs. When she is old, her sons have an obligation to take good care of her. She need not lift a finger, how's that for a queen. All that is asked of women is to take care of children, which is only natural, seen as they have been biologically attached for nine months anyway. We don't believe men and women are equal, because just by looking at them you can see theyre not the same. We may not believe in equality, but we believe in EQUITY, which is fairness of both sexes. Both sexes have their own rights and their own limits, and we should abide by those limits. I am a boy, and i have to admit, the life of muslim women is very very hard, but we're forgetting that this life is temporary, and a test.

The media is a very powerful tool in turning everyone against an ideology. In this case Islam falls victim. The media do not like stories which are not controversial, we all know this and it is obvious. This is why people on tv are muslims who call themselves muslims, but do not have a clue. Society's image of muslims has been damaged by the disgrace of a minority. I can understand why you came to conclude that this religion is evil. But all of your arguments are based on misunderstandings and probably a very difficult life. There are many parents who forcefeed islam into their children and do not take their time to actually teach them why they believe in it and compare it to other religions, and these parents are not very good ones. Many children brought up in this way often remain lost. We look for the straight path and all we say is "god, guide us to the straight path". This cannot be from satan.

About your site, claiming noone can disprove muhammad was a list of bad things. Can you prove them? Asking someone to disprove ideas about muhammad is like asking someone to disprove that you are bisexual for example. I hope i am not offending you, although this is nothing compared to the offence u have put upon my beliefs.

Finally i very upset that you have to conclude a religion as such, especially when the christians were just as barbaric a few centuries ago, burning protestants, and then burning catholics, and then burning protestants again. Oh yeah, and they conquered much of the east as part of an empire, and have fled with their riches, can you not remmeber that. After being to india, the first indian person my age who i have talked to told me that britain has robbed them. Now us muslims are not blaming christianity for this issue, we are not saying christianity is a demonic cult just because a few christians took over the world. I almost forgot about the crusades, where the christians killed thousands of muslims, including sala'uddins wife, after having agreed that they would not harm them if they were to rule jerusalem. We keep our word. This is why sala'uddin had no choice but to go after jerusalem again. When the prophet's army were in holy war, one of the muslims had defeated his opponent, who was lying on the floor and the muslim was just about to take the non-muslim's life when the non-muslim spat on the muslim's face. The muslim walked away without killing him. This is because the death would have been due to his own desire for revenge rather than part of holy war. I have been very angry over what has been said by you but i have managed to contain myself, as anger is a big sin. I hope what i have said has been truth and i am in deep regret for any lies i may have accidentally stated without knowledge. I make mistakes, i'm only 18.

I pray for your guidance, inshallah

Person R

I am so repelled by the mindless blather you are spouting that I have heard so many times that I really do not have the patience to read it and try to answer it point by point. Do yourself a favor and go read Ali Sina's writings and think. Your brain and soul are dead. Muslims are killing muslims. 100 muslims were killled in iraq today by other muslims. And you have stupidity to tell me that your lousy and crappy evil of an Islam and the rantings of your pedophile prophet are a solution for the world!!! I have lost a child hood friend, a shia, and I have spent listening to his old father crying. He was killed because he was shia and he was killed by those who call themselves sunnis. So spare me your mindless jibber and jabber about your muhammed. That s.o.b. died 1400 years ago and his worshippers are still killing and destroying each other and those around them. The blood shed that islam has caused is bad enough and then total brain dead morons like you weave lies and stupidities trying to tell the world to dig deeper into that evil. Hopefully the kaffirs will learn and throw the damn evil out from amongst them. Here you have been allowed to have a life in the west and you curse it with every breath and you wish to bring the evil of Islam on the people who allowed you amongst them!!! They are fools if they do not wake up and throw morons like you back into your Islamic hell hole.

doubtless.

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To FFI

Here you have been allowed to have a life in the west and you curse it with every breath and you wish to bring the evil of Islam on the people who allowed you amongst them!!! Here you have been allowed to have a life in the west and you curse it with every breath and you wish to bring the evil of Islam on the people who allowed you amongst them!!!

you have made assumption that i was never originally from the west. what if i told you i am a native convert? why should i leave my country, just because i believe in one god? i never cursed the life of the west either. that is overly mean and cannot come from a good persons mouth. And swearing? calling our prophet an s.o.b.? not only is that literally lying, but is swearing not evil? we should never swear at anyone, not even an enemy (not that i have any).

And why would Aiesha grow to say that muhammed did evil by her. How would she know?

because she was of age when she married the prophet and furthermore narrated these hadithe some 20 years after his death. if she was not of age then, i dont know when you come of age.

how comes the christians were barbaric during the crusades? how comes people of their own denomination were burnt in britain? and how comes the old testament approves of barbaric actions? if the qur'an is considered evil, then the old testament must be mega evil by your standards. finally i do not see why someone as learned as yourself can be abusive as such and call me a liar, when i clearly explained i am apologetic if i was lying. i am not lying by intention, if i am. you seemed to forget about my final few paragraphs out of being "repelled by mindless blather" about women in islam, etc. and this proves how selective you can be in your replies. I have also read about the idea that muhammad allowed marriage to up to four wives to make people be appealed by this religion. except that doesnt work, because at that time, before muhammad, people were marrying far more than four, and parents were burying their daughters alive in the deserts. people were brutal before muhammads teachings.

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To Rez

You are not native born and you are not a convert. You lie. Do you not even have enough self respect that you are going to talk about your deen and your iman and you start by lying? That speaks volumes about you and I hope you have enough of humanity left in you that you can look at yourself and feel a little shame. There are no new points you raise and they have been addressed many many times at the forum and in Ali Sina's writings. Go and worship your 7th century dead pedophile barbarian.

doubtless

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To FFI

"You are not native born and you are not a convert. You lie. Do you not even have enough self respect that you are going to talk about your deen and your iman and you start by lying? "

u fell for it. i never stated that i was a native, i said "what if i told u i was". the point i am trying to make is that there are many native people who convert to islam, and i as a citizen should have as much right to criticism as any other tom dick and harry. Isn't this a democratic country where u can speak ur mind? If ur treating non natives differently then whats equality all about? i stil dont get why u need to make sny comments even stil. i havent said anything offensive and yet u show how immature u are to a young man:

Go and worship your 7th century dead pedophile barbarian.

Do me a favour. go get a job. ur stil running a shitty website. u stil havent grown up, so get sum growth hormones while ur at it. oh yeah, and dr. zakir naik actually shredded ur m8 ali sina, and he cant admit it. i dont kno why dr naik actually bothers with you guys. hes out doing something useful studying medicine and helping the world, and how is ali sina helping society.

doubtless my ass.

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To Rez

What a typical muhammedan cop out !! It took you two days to come up with "you fell for it" nonsense!! The point is that a citizen has loyalty to his country and to the constitution. You have clearly demonstrated a loyalty to your ummah and to your Islam, and a hatred for the people who welcomed you. Read what you have written, and see that the brainwashing of Islam that divides the world into the muslims and Kaffirs was in full force. You showed clearly with your words that you have no loyalty to the country or your fellow citizens that gave you a chance to make a life for yourself. The kaffirs are slowly waking up to the lies and deceptions of Islam.

What ever kind of site FFI is, you are the one who chose to write to it. I did not contact you. So take another look at yourself. And do tell please when and where did your Dr. Zakir Naik "shredded Ali Sina". I am sure the readers at FFI will be very very interested in finding that out. And Ali Sina cannot admit it? Please tell us how you arrive at that conclusion? Now do not run away like a petty liar, but show some proof of the shredding that Ali Sina received.

Go it probably is time again for you to worship that long dead pedophile barbarian of yours.

doubtless.

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To FFI

i dont sit and wait for my emails like you. i did not take 2 days to think of a reply because i do not have time like you or for you. in fact the only reason why i sent u the first email was because of the way you approached your criticism of islam. wot are you chattin about. right now i happen to have my inbox open, and have just noticed yet another pathetic reply which has no substance.

what is this brainwashing you speak of? u cant assume were all brainwashed, maybe u shld wash ur brain, because its full of lies. in fact your so obsessed with this idea of lying that even when i have no facts to put forward u say i lie. its been shown that ali sina lies on examinethetruth.com. maybe your his little sidekick who does all the work. did u say u came from iraq? go to somewhere like morocco, and you'll see islam. loyalty is one thing and criticism is another. if george bush puts forward another "patriot act" am i supposed to blindly follow it even though it removes the basic rights of citizens? wake up. how much does ali sina pay you? again u say we worship mohammed even wen he sed not to worship him. ur gna die sumday so sort it out before its too late.

doubtless! are you tryin to sound cool? useless more like.

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To Rez
Rez wrote:
i dont sit and wait for my emails like you. i did not take 2 days to think of a reply because i do not have time like you or for you.
in fact the only reason why i sent u the first email was because of the way you approached your criticism of islam. wot are you chattin about. right now i happen to have my inbox open, and have just noticed yet another pathetic reply which has no substance.

Okay.


what is this brainwashing you speak of? u cant assume were all brainwashed, maybe u shld wash ur brain, because its full of lies. in fact your so obsessed with this idea of lying that even when i have no facts to put forward u say i lie. its been shown that ali sina lies on examinethetruth.com. maybe your his little sidekick who does all the work. did u say u came from iraq? go to somewhere like morocco, and you'll see islam.

And that is an example of Ali Sina being shown wrong? And how would a a slave of arabs bangali babu like you would know? Have you ever seen how the bengalis are treated by iraqis, morrocons, egyptians, saudis, etc.? I have seen Islam. I was saying to another just today, that the most disturbing thing about the middle eastern muslims is the pleasure they take in videos of the beheadings of kaffirs. So what islam do you want to show in Morroco? Have you ever been to morroco? I doubt it.

loyalty is one thing and criticism is another. if george bush puts forward another "patriot act" am i supposed to blindly follow it even though it removes the basic rights of citizens? wake up. how much does ali sina pay you? again u say we worship mohammed even wen he sed not to worship him. ur gna die sumday so sort it out before its too late.

No one stops you from criticising either bush or the laws. When has anyone ever told you to not criticise? But look at your letter and see if you are criticising as a citizen or as a potential enemy? Read you letter you wrote, and see the "We" you use and the "west" you use. Are you a part of the west? Who is in that "we"? You do not like a mirror being held upto you, do you? Really if the west is as awful as it is, and islam is as good as it is, why do you not go to a country where there is islamic sharia? Go to your islamic republic. Leave the west to the filthy kaffirs. The brainwashing is the eternal division that Islam imposes upon mankind between the muslims and the non-muslims. Here is a challenge to you: Show one statement from your Quran or your Hadeeth where Allah tells the muslims to be loving and kind towards the non-muslims. Go ahead, the readers of FFI would love to see an educated muslim like yourself who lives among the filthy Kufaar to be able show that the muslims are taught by their Quran and by their prophet to be loving and kind towards their kaffir fellow citizens. Last month was Hajj. American muslims went and had a great spiritual experience. But your kaafir fellow citizens from the west were too filthy to be even allowed in the city of mecca!! Do you tell that to your fellow americans? That your Islam considers them so filthy that they are not even allowed in the city that your Allah wants you to go atleast once if you can afford it? Is that a sign of loyalty according to Islam?

doubtless! are you tryin to sound cool? useless more like.


Okay useless if you like.

regards,
doubtlessly useless.

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To FFI


ok how am i an enemy? kuffar are not filthy, and it is our job to try our best to convert non-believers. it has been prophecised that islam will spread in the west, and by the looks of it it has. Not by force, but partial immigration, and partial conversion.

Show one statement from your Quran or your Hadeeth where Allah tells the muslims to be loving and kind towards the non-muslims.
The prophet of Islam said: "Whoever hurts a non Muslim, I shall be his complainant and for whoever I am a complainant, I shall ask for his right on the day of Resurrection." (Hadith)
I'm sure this implies that non-muslims are not filth. It may not say "loving and kind" but the gist is clear. The old testament doesn't talk about being kind to non-believers. It is quite the opposite.

because islam is the true religion, shaytaan tries his best to twist the minds of the believers to make certain things acceptable. this is why there are so many terrorists who claim to be islamic. there is no point in shaytaan trying to corrupt any other religion because they are not true, so it seems muslims are bad, and everyone else are just fine. for example, if u are an ex-muslim, and have prayed, have u ever noticed how as soon as you start prayer, your mind is suddenly filled with memories, ideas, things u thought youve forgotten, all until u finish praying, and the voices in the head go away? this is shaytaans tactic. but if you dont believe it, you dont believe it. i cant change you.

But your kaafir fellow citizens from the west were too filthy to be even allowed in the city of mecca!!

Not being allowed in Mecca is not an islamic law, it is one placed by the saudis. the reason it is placed is because mecca (a place of worship) would be filled with overwhelming commercialism, photo-taking and other tourist influences, in a city that is already too busy. It is fine for non-muslims to enter a mosque for example, provided they respect the area.

I am quite aware that some saudis see bengalis as "miskeen" but that's their problem, not islam's. Finally, you and Ali Sina are not the only people to claim to have done extensive research into islam, and im sure u cannot even match the research works of Abdal Hakim Murad (aka Timothy Winter) in Cambridge, who understands perfectly well what islam teaches, and still follows it. Maybe you should challenge people like him.

Anyway, respectfully, this has been a few challenging emails and i understand your views. It has been a pleasure emailing you as i have not been fixed in "debates" for a while, and it is quite refreshing. Sorry im still at school, go easy on me!

Salaam

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To FFI

okay let me correct myself before u call me a liar. non-muslims are not allowed in mecca, but the point of reason is there.

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To Rez

Rez wrote:
okay let me correct myself before u call me a liar. non-muslims are not allowed in mecca, but the point of reason is there.
Rez wrote:
ok how am i an enemy? kuffar are not filthy, and it is our job to try our best to convert non-believers. it has been prophecised that islam will spread in the west, and by the looks of it it has. Not by force, but partial immigration, and partial conversion.


I have never called you an enemy. You are a fence sitter muslim. You consider yourself a good muslim and you consider the jihadis methods wrong. You consider your peaceful. You agree with the jihadis grievances but you disagree with their methods, and you think that if their grievances were taken care of then they would not be doing what they are doing. You tell yourself and others about the superiority of Islam. You do this without thinking.

The fact is that you know very little of Islam. You have been trained since childhood to repeat lies about Islam that you are not even aware that they are lies. So let us see what you say and what Islam really says.

Show one statement from your Quran or your Hadeeth where Allah tells the muslims to be loving and kind towards the non-muslims.
The prophet of Islam said: "Whoever hurts a non Muslim, I shall be his complainant and for whoever I am a complainant, I shall ask for his right on the day of Resurrection." (Hadith)



Read that again. Read it with an open mind and ask yourself if that is loving and kind towards the non-muslims? Why is muhammed saying that? Could it be that the non-muslims are being hurt and being killed? Who are these non-muslims? Are they the ones that have been defeated and are now paying the jazziya in humiliation and submission?

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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

And paying a humiliating ruinous poll tax was not sufficient from not getting abused by the muslims. Muhammed was losing money from the kaffir dhimmis who were subdued, and hence he is the complainant. You consider this a sign of loving and kindness towards the non-muslims? Would you like to be treated like the muslims treat the non muslims in your country, for instance?

Now you say Kuffar are not filthy. But Ayatollah Sistani disagrees with you:

And then Ayatollah Sistani also tells us what is najis:
84. The following ten things are essentially najis:
1. Urine
2. Faeces
3. Semen
4. Dead body
5. Blood
6. Dog
7. Pig
8. Kafir
9. Alcoholic liquors
10. The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.
You see kafir is as najis as urine and faeces. And then your quran says:

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Shakir: O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

Are you saying that the Idolaters are not unclean? Are you saying that the hindus who are clearly and obviously worship idols in your country are not unclean? And which sacred mosque is it that they are not to approach after this year? Is that not the reason why non-muslims are not allowed in Mecca? Try speaking the truth to yourself and to your fellow citizens.
I'm sure this implies that non-muslims are not filth. It may not say "loving and kind" but the gist is clear. The old testament doesn't talk about being kind to non-believers. It is quite the opposite.



Is the gist clear to you now? Why do you live among the unclean kaffirs? Next time you get your paycheck from the unclean kaffirs, tell them that your fellow muslims considers them filthy like urine and human excrement.

because islam is the true religion, shaytaan tries his best to twist the minds of the believers to make certain things acceptable. this is why there are so many terrorists who claim to be islamic. there is no point in shaytaan trying to corrupt any other religion because they are not true, so it seems muslims are bad, and everyone else are just fine. for example, if u are an ex-muslim, and have prayed, have u ever noticed how as soon as you start prayer, your mind is suddenly filled with memories, ideas, things u thought youve forgotten, all until u finish praying, and the voices in the head go away? this is shaytaans tactic. but if you dont believe it, you dont believe it. i cant change you.


Islam is not even a religion. It is a political ideology to impose Arabic imperialism. You as a bengali are treated like dirt by the arabs, but your islam on your brain forces you to kiss their ass. You say your salat in arabic. Allah does not even accept your lousy prayers if they are not in arabic. Do you really believe the nonsense that you have written above?

But your kaafir fellow citizens from the west were too filthy to be even allowed in the city of mecca!!

Not being allowed in Mecca is not an islamic law, it is one placed by the saudis. the reason it is placed is because mecca (a place of worship) would be filled with overwhelming commercialism, photo-taking and other tourist influences, in a city that is already too busy. It is fine for non-muslims to enter a mosque for example, provided they respect the area.

I am quite aware that some saudis see bengalis as "miskeen" but that's their problem, not islam's. Finally, you and Ali Sina are not the only people to claim to have done extensive research into islam, and im sure u cannot even match the research works of Abdal Hakim Murad (aka Timothy Winter) in Cambridge, who understands perfectly well what islam teaches, and still follows it. Maybe you should challenge people like him.


I have shown you the command of allah of why kaffirs are not allowed in mecca. It is not a saudi law. It is an islamic law. And Bangalis are miskeen because you do not speak arabic. Do you see the middle east? See how many languages and people have been destroyed and arabic imposed upon them. Do you thing the egyptians were arabic? Now they consider themselves the heart of the arabic world. The persians have been fighting off being totally arabcised. But still their language has been arabcised to a very large extent and the process still continues. Islamic culture is arabic culture. Bengalis were butchered in 1971 by the soldiers of Allah because you were half hindus in the sight of the mullahs of pakistan. Read your own history. And the mullahs of bengal sided with the butchers of pakistan, and the same mullahs are back in power in bengal. Why? Because idiots like you have Islam on thier brain. You do not know Islam but you will die for it. See the arab imperialism at work: Why does Timothy Winter have to become Abdul Hakim Murad? Is Abdul more islamic in your Allah's eyes than Timothy? It certainly is more arabic. Why don't you write to Timothy Winter and tell him to fix Ali Sina's wagon and show how stupid and ignorant Ali Sina really is. It should be very easy for Abdul Hakim Murad, should it not?

Anyway, respectfully, this has been a few challenging emails and i understand your views. It has been a pleasure emailing you as i have not been fixed in "debates" for a while, and it is quite refreshing. Sorry im still at school, go easy on me!

Salaam



Do yourself a favor and actually read the Quran and Islam and stop merely parroting the islamic propoganda that is fed to you. Islam has never faced an examination because muslims have killed those who raised questions. Now muslims are unable to do that. It is being exposed. The kaafirs around you will know more and more about Islam. You will have to justify why you believe in an evil cult of muhammed. Of course there are nut groups like the neo-nazis, and the white supremecists, and islam and muslims will be classified as very similar to those. Humans who are clearly damaged and dangerous.

regards,
doubtless.

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To FFI

i wldnt like to think i'm parroting my religion seen as ive looked around quite a bit. otherwise i wldnt have found the faithfreedom website, cos it does take a bit of digging. anyway, theres nothing else to go against but ur ideology of islam. oh wel.

by the way, do you believe in a god at all?

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To Rez

Rez,

God is a word that really has many many different meanings and encapsulates a lot of different ideas and people mean different things by it at different times. God is often a "catch all" of all that we do not know and are too uncomfortable to say and live with ignorance. Allah knows best, Allah will provide, Allah sees and hears all, etc. etc.. I know that the concept of God as defined by the traditional religions is untenable and more and more people now will not believe it. Allah of the quran is certainly not God even in the traditional sense of the word. Man does not know enough to know the answers to the hard questions of why there is existence, why it the universe the way it is, how did life originate, etc., but man is in a better position than ever before to find out the answers to these questions than ever before. Many people use God as a show stopper. Why is there existence? God created it. But why? Because he willed it? Why? Because he wants to be worshipped. How did life start? Because God created it. Every time God is offered as an explanation, it means stop trying to find the answer. Islam has been very good at stuffing God in its followers and that is one reason, why muslims stopped trying to find answers to questions a long long time ago. Why? The answer is always Allah in one way or another.

If you have been seeking then do yourself a favor and read the quran and really try to think about it. Read the early biographies of muhammed for yourself. Stop taking the words of illiterate and uneducated mullahs and elders but study for yourself. Quran is riddled with errors. Use some common sense and check it for yourself. And the character of muhammed as given by the early muslim historians is downright atrocious. Muslims make excuses for his behavior right and left. At the bottom all the reasons come down to that he did what he had to, to make sure Islam succeeded. Why? Why could not Allah have his religion succeed without so much blood shed, and so many humans killed, and so many enslaved and traded like property. Why? Study Islam for yourself.
There is another smart muslim kid who I sometime talk with and he is stuck at repeating endlessly to himself and others that “Qrap is a miracle, Qrap is a miracle, Qrap is a miracle”. Hope you can do better.