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Printer-friendly versionPrinter-friendly versionSend to friendSend to friendPDF versionPDF versionMr. Intelligent, I am a poor person. I have not got a job yet. I do not have enough money to give you. But I know If someone offer you 1 billion dollar you yourself will be able to prove all your complains wrong. You know it well. You people can not save yourself from total destruction of death, cannot make a drop of water, a small grasshopper; but you talk like you have created the round earth, spreading sky everything that come under consideration of philosophy that your fathers have taught and brain washed you. You feel, o these silly Muslims, they do not know what I know, theories of Philosophy. You seem like an innocent person taken a great effort to fight against stupid Muslims. But i swear by Allah, a prostitute is more innocent than you, you an intelligent shrewd devil. I am not angry, I am just saying the truth. Truth need not to be harmonious like drama of Shakespeare, it can be as harsh as death.   Ahmed Khan.   Hello Mr. Ahmed Khan. There is no way to prove us wrong because what we say is based on facts. Can you prove 2 + 2 = 5?  You can't, unless you use logical fallacies. Likewise, it is impossible to prove Islam is a true religion without using logical fallacies. For a billion dollars I will give it a try. Show me the money and I will pull out the biggest fallacy to prove Islam is right to stun every Muslim. That would fool Muslims who want to be fooled, but it will have little effect on rational people.  One billion dollar is tempting, but alas you are asking the impossible. No one can be fooled unless he wants to be fooled. Those who think Obama is the savor of mankind or even a good man, are willfully ignorant. They want to be fooled. If they cared for truth theycould see this joker has not acomplished anything, that he is an ignoramus and will certainly make the world a very dangerous place. Of course he and his foolish votaries wil blame others for his failur.  Likewise, Muslims are willfully fooling themselves, because there is overwhelming evidence that Muhammad was a charlatan liar.    No, we cannot save ourselves from death, and we cannot make a drop of water, nor can we create a grasshopper.  But we can easily show that Muhammad was not a prophet of God. These arguments are all fallacies.  There is plenty of this kind of fallacy in the Quran. That is where Muslims get their lead and apear so foolish when they try to defend Islam. They ass-ume that everything thier stupid prophet said must be divinely inspired and must be logically convincing. That is not true my dear. That dumbass was a moron and his reasoning is pueril and stupid.  Don't repeat his reasoning. Not being able to make a drop of water or a grasshpper does not disqualify one to see that Muhammad was an impostor. We don’t think Muslims are stupid. We think they are ignorant. They don’t know the truth about Islam. The antidote to ignorance is knowledge.  We are spreading the knowledge about Islam to eliminate ignorance.  Muslims become stupid when they willfully ignore facts, i.e. when they refuse to see the evidence and prefer to hide their heads in the sand.   Now, come on! Truth does not have to be harsh as death. That is the Islamic way of understanding truth.  Muhammad gave no logical arguments to back his claim. He simply killed those who did not accept him, and his benighted followers think he was right because he overcame his detractors.   This fallacy is called “might is right.”  It is the law of the jungle. In human word might is not the measure of truth. We win by destroying our opponents’ arguments, not by giving them death.  Truth is bitter but it saves you. Lies can be suit, but they can also kill you. You wrote “i swear by Allah, a prostitute is more innocent than you,” In this sentence, consisting of just eleven words, you committed no fewer than three logical fallacies. The first fallacy is your assumption that Allah is a real entity to which you can swear. Before swearing to him or even cursing him, you have to prove his existence.  Assuming that God exists, it is absolutely clear to any sensible person that Allah is not it. The second fallacy is your assertion that prostitutes lacks innocence  and hence your comparing me to them. Many prostitutes are very innocent people who have had bad luck and fewer opportunities than others. They do not deserve our scorn, but rather our sympathy. It is mostly the followers of Muhammad who eat and breathe hatred that deserve our scorn. Thery are guilty and evil.  The third fallacy is when you assume I am not innocent and in your view the worst person when you have no idea who I am and what I do. How can you judge someone without having any clue about him? I judge Muhammad because there is so much known about him. Based on the wealth of  information we have about him we can say he was one of the worst men ever to defile this Earth. But what do you know about me? Nothing! You can agree or disagree with my views. You can even decide whether I am intelligent or dumb. But you cannot say anything about my innocence or guilt because you don’t know anything about my personal life upon which to base your judgment.  The fallacy consists in the fact that you assume anyone who rejects Muhammad is bad  and anyone who opposes him must be evil.   These fallacies are the source of all evil. Once you vilify and dehumanize your opponent you then feel justified to do all the evil things to them. Your fallacies don’t end there.  In every argument Muslims make there is a fallacy hidden. For example, in the next sentence you say, “I am not angry, I am just saying the truth.”  Truth must be backed by facts. You have not presented any fact. So your truth is nothing more than your opinion. You call your biased opinion “truth,” you dehumanize and vilify those who oppose your opinion, and then you justify evil to those whom you dehumanize.  This is the Islamic logic. This is the logic of Muhammad. But incidentally this is also the logic of psychopaths. Could it be that Muhammad was a psychopath narcissist? Ali Sina
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Ali Sina "Could it be that

Ali Sina
"Could it be that Muahammad was a psychopath narcissist?"

When a murderer,rapist & robber claims to be the ultimate prophet & god's divine messenger...then one can safely say that person is a narcissitic psychopath.


Mr Sina, Your kindness to

Mr Sina,

Your kindness to continue to illuminate the mind is wonderful. "you talk like you have created the round earth" is a truthful observation from people who have not learned to think for themselves. Even a baby has to learn how to look. For if the eyes had some defect at birth the brain would have no memory at all for sight, and if in adulthood sight was restored to that person they would then not know how to see. This is your gift. To unveil the blind. The gift of insight.

Thank you.


I think Mohammad himself

I think Mohammad himself couldn't assume his evil teaching would be the cause of so many human misery upon the mankind generation after generation. He was the punishment of nature to the mankind for remaining ignorant .Ignorance is the real evil that's why mohammad could made so many people victim in the past ,present even perhaps in the future.


To Ali Sina; ----You stated

To Ali Sina;

----You stated ["There is no way to prove us wrong because what we say are based on facts. Can you prove 2 + 2 = 5? You can’t unless you use logical fallacies."]

++ You have been already proven wrong and a liar as evidenced by http://www.examinethetruth.com/page_against_01.htm#Answering_Islam_debunked

++ When you talk about facts you mean Facts Fabrications. There is a lot of it on this web site. You try to convince Muslims that Islam is a fraud. However, the only fraud here is you. I have read your book about “Understanding Mohammed” and I am still not convinced about the truth of your arguments. Actually, I should thank you for writing your book because it has increased my love and appreciation for Islam and its prophet.

++ You stated that your logic is based on the undeniable fact that 2+2=4. However, what was presented in your book is an insult to any intelligent human being. You have presented arguments that are as equivalent as saying 2+2=5. You should not assume that Muslims are ignorant or uneducated and try to sell Muslims bogus arguments. Assumptions can always be dangerous.

++ I asked you and many of your supporters to prove or disprove using logic and/or Venn diagram the following statement:

"Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims".

++ Neither you nor your supporters successfully prove the statement or disprove it. How any logical person could accepts an argument such as yours or by anyone else who does not understand logic? That would definitely be an illogical move!


Everyone knowing Muhammad,

Everyone knowing Muhammad, (for instance by reading the qur'an or the Sirat Rasul Allah) one of the filthiest and most disgusting persons that has ever lived and still defending him must be either a moron or a criminal. In order to be taken seriously a Big Fat Lie cannot name himself as such. He does practice his true essence i.e. lying by calling himself the Truth; spouting arrant nonsense like an overflowing sewer.


To Mulhid This is in reply to

To Mulhid
This is in reply to Comment ID #26728
October 11, 2009 • 12:29 pm .

----You stated ["Everyone knowing Muhammad, (for instance by reading the qur’an or the Sirat Rasul Allah) one of the filthiest and most disgusting persons that has ever lived and still defending him must be either a moron or a criminal. In order to be taken seriously a Big Fat Lie cannot name himself as such. He does practice his true essence i.e. lying by calling himself the Truth; spouting arrant nonsense like an overflowing sewer."]

++ I can see a lot of anger and confusion in you. It must be the lack of Islamic teachings in you. Using filthy language will not prove your case for you. Present a logical argument to justify your point of view. That would the logical thing to do.


What is innocence? I take it

What is innocence? I take it 'To be free from guilt is innocence'.

Mr. Khan, have you ever viewd a prostitute as a person? Have you ever held a conversation with a prostitute?
I have; have done it few times; after seeing her dancing naked on the stage, I have held conversations with prostitutes. They have family too. Believe it or not, they have family values too. They have ambitions and goals in life too. They too aspire their children (yes, bastard children) to have good education and bright future. I have seen some of them succeed in bringing a bright future for their children. Ali Sina says prostitutes deserve our sympathy; I don't even sympathise them if they chose prostitution as a profession, but, I respect them for their decision and treat them as I would treat any honest hard working person. A prostitute is free of guilt. he/she openly say what they too. They are truthful.

I am taking your own line, Mr. Khan. just like you did, let me compare Mr. Ali sina and a well knwn prostitute. Is Mr. ali sina innocent? The answer is 'yes', because, no one has so far could come up with whatever he is guilty of. as long as Mr. ali Sina is guilty of nothing, he has to be innocent. He never claimed that he could defy death; he never claimed thathe could make water ( although it is a widely practised Australian Aboriginal practice to get water out of a little moisture in the air - but that's a different topic altogether) ; or he ever claimed he could produce a grasshopper. His challenge in the main page is very clear - Mr. Ali Sina levelled few charges against the Prophet Muhammad. Mr. Sina is very thuthful in his claims. If you feel that Mr. Sina's claims are bogus, why don't you refute his claims and Prove Mr. Sina is gulity of spreading lies?

You got the aim of this site wrong, Mr. Khan. Mr. Sina is not fighting the muslims. But he is fighting Islam. You should get your facts straight before accusing someone.


'The Truth' wrotes about Ali

'The Truth' wrotes about Ali Sina's book 'Understanding Mohammed'

"Actually, I should thank you for writing your book because it has increased my love and appreciation for Islam and its prophet."

No finer acolade than it should be in every Mosque and read by every Muslim across the world.


Mr. Ahmed Khan Allah is a

Mr. Ahmed Khan

Allah is a moon god. koran says allah has two daugthers, has hands and holds the earth etc etc. allah is even referred to as he so seems like a man. i debated with someone on what shape allah could have if koran says he has hands..and the person said he doesnt know. i asked him if allah could look like a monkey and he said "possibly yes".

all this points to the fact that allah himself is someones creation, let alone alone allah creating drop of water or grasshopper.

Please enlighten me. Once we get past these questions, we can debate whether Ali Sina is a devil or an angel of hope for all muslims who are part of this cult called islam.

Thanks


ALLAH IS THE GREATEST

ALLAH IS THE GREATEST DECEIVER, LIAR AMD SCHEMER. Mr, Sina proved that.
Allah said in quran 2:138 that he was the best baptizer. Muslims dont even baptize. The god of lies is allah, the god of a billion of liars.

Mr. Sina has proven Islam full of lies and in Islam 2+2=10 loooooooooooooool
They forgot to add some more twos.


Finally a german white

Finally a german white convert has tried to prove Muhammad never existed. He was a composite.
The old Egyptian scholar at Al-Azhar University, the racist one Obama the "Christian" went to. He was the only Christians allowed to enter the Muslim school. Not weven dark skinned Africans are azllowed to attend the non-racist Islamic school of lies. Good. The hijab and burqa is now just a tribal custom after 1500 years. Wow Muslimahs can take off the garbage bags and walk freeee.


Dear Editor You wrote in

Dear Editor

You wrote in youre statement that if Ahmed Khan was to show you a billion dollars you would, and I quote ''Show me the money and I will pull out the biggest fallacy to prove Islam is right to stun every Muslim.''. So now I ask are you trying to say all other fallicies are easily refutable?

And if you really wanted to show muslims the truth you would show this fallicy regardless of whether Mr. Khan had the money or not since you are here to show people the truth about islam. WHy are you hiding this fallicy. I want to see if it is easily refutable just like all your other pathetic arguments.

You also talk about OBAMA and that we are delusional into thinking that he is a hero. The only reason you are saying this is because he has close relationships with muslim, he visits islamic countries to try and build relationships. That is your only reason for hating him

Are ytou trying to say George Bush is better, when the whole world regards him as no.1 terrorist. If you dont believe me than just type in to google, worlds no.1 terrorist.

EDITOR WROTE: For example, in the next sentence you say, “I am not angry, I am just saying the truth.” Truth must be backed by facts. You have not presented any fact. So your truth is nothing more than your opinion. You call your biased opinion “truth,” you dehumanize and vilify those who oppose your opinion, and then you justify evil o those whom you dehumanize. This is the Islamic logic. This is the logic of Muhammad. But incidentally this is also the logic of psychopaths. Could it be that Muhammad was a psychopath narcissist?

ANSWER: OK editor prove to me that there is no god, using science. And prove to me that muhammed was a narcissit, and i promise you what ever you say i will easily refute.
EDITOR WROTE: No, we cannot save ourselves from death, and we cannot make a drop of water, nor can we create a grasshopper. But we can easily show that Muhammad was not a prophet of God. These arguments are all fallacies.

ANSWER: Well if your cant make these creation, than answer the querstion. WHO MADE THESE CREATURES?. Scientists to this day cant prove evolution and are calling it a hoax. So in the near future if it is proved that evolution is a hoax, what will you start beliveing in. Lets just say for arguments sake the creator is not Allah. Than tell me IF YOU OR NOBODY IN THIS WORLD CAN EVEN MAKE A DROP OF WATER OR EVEN THE SMALLEST CELL, THAN WHO CREATED IT, WHATS THE CREATORS NAME.

And before any one even bothers saying it happened out of chance, let me assure you that the law of thermodynamics state energy cannot be created or destroyed. So in order for the big bang to happen it required an immense energy, so if energy cannot be created, where did this energy come from?.


To all muslims, evolution

To all muslims, evolution doesnt mean change in inorganic change. Coal changes to diamond in drastic condition and takes a lot of time. Plant and animal fossils change into Oil, after millions of years. These are not evolution.
Evolution is a process in biological cells. The change in genetic code in cells is evolution. Recenty they found a species in ethopia called 'ARDI', which was million s of years old and people believe we evolved from this kind of species.
Also due to some factors like radioactive or chemical effect, the genetic change can be fast. Some are very bad like in places near to radioactive sites, people have extra fingers, legs, deformed body, 2 heads etc.
Now we know genetic change can lead to change in human cell.
Also using science a male can be converted to female and vice verse.
Color of the skin can be changed.
If you study hinduism, they clearly tell that each cell has a 'soul' which is 'life'. Our body is not important. Its composed of water and other materials, and after our death, soul leaves and takes another body or cell based on our 'doings' or 'karma'. After death body decomposes and mixes with nature, the same way we get our body from nature by taking nutrients and food from nature.
Yes there is a God, which is clearly not Allah as allah goes against nature. Allah is a creation of the mind of muhammed, just 1400 years ago. Why allah is against nature as one simple case every muslim does genital mutiliation of health skin of both male and female and in many case females die. Muhammed approved it, means he was a sick and went against nature.
Also God has given us to understand life and respect it. If we protect nature , nature will protect us, if we destroy nature , nature will destroy us.
God doesnt care for our day to day activities , but it does measure us with Karma and our next reincarnation is the result of previous Karma.
Muslims have little and twisted knowledge and we all know how little false knowledge can do harm.


Well said .Chandra.Thank you.

Well said .Chandra.Thank you.


[Scientists to this day cant

[Scientists to this day cant prove evolution and are calling it a hoax. So in the near future if it is proved that evolution is a hoax, what will you start beliveing in. Lets just say for arguments sake the creator is not Allah. Than tell me IF YOU OR NOBODY IN THIS WORLD CAN EVEN MAKE A DROP OF WATER OR EVEN THE SMALLEST CELL, THAN WHO CREATED IT, WHATS THE CREATORS NAME.] To prove or disprove the evolution theory are not the responsibility of Dr. Ali Sina. If the evolution theory even become wrong that will not make Islam any better religion. That will not justify mohammad's evil barbaric activity or the current Islamic atrocity committed around the world. You said WHATS THE CREATORS NAME? I Say the creator's name is GOD That is called by the Christians,Jews,Hindus,Buddists and so many other faithful religionist in the world.God is certainly not the mohammad's pimp Allah who's main activity was to quick fulfillment of mohammad's sexual hunger by direct revelation.


To: The Truth Comment ID

To: The Truth
Comment ID #26726
October 11, 2009 • 11:58 am

You wrote To Ali Sina:

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++ You stated that your logic is based on the undeniable fact that 2+2=4. However, what was presented in your book is an insult to any intelligent human being. You have presented arguments that are as equivalent as saying 2+2=5. You should not assume that Muslims are ignorant or uneducated and try to sell Muslims bogus arguments. Assumptions can always be dangerous.

I say: This is a fact proven by the knowledge of arithmetic. No beliefs or religions have this system of proving a fact and that's why religions and religious beliefs are just poppycock.
Mohammad indeed was intelligent but his followers are fools to think they can get away with what Mohammad did.
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You wrote:

++ I asked you and many of your supporters to prove or disprove using logic and/or Venn diagram the following statement:

“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims”.

++ Neither you nor your supporters successfully prove the statement or disprove it. How any logical person could accepts an argument such as yours or by anyone else who does not understand logic? That would definitely be an illogical move!

I say: only a moron demands proof of what is obvious and you are one.
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Islam needs to be rejected for imposing the 1430 year old cult of Arabian goon Mohammad.


@The Big Fat Lie calling

@The Big Fat Lie calling himself the Truth: There is no confusion in me concerning islam after reading the book of war, robbery, slavery and rape, the unholy qur'an. There is no confusion in me concerning Muhammad (piss be upon him, may he rot eternally in hell if hell exists), the massmurderer (Banu Qurayza, Sirat Rasul Allah page 464), the the slaver (Sira page 466), the rapist, the highwayman and extortionist (the case of the Christian leader Ukaydir ibn Abdu'l-Malik, Sira page 607). We all have access to sahih Bukhari, Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, Malik's Muwatta. All of us can discern the true face of islam. We all can give evidence of the utter depravity of islam using the books of islam. If I use filthy language it is because the subject (islam) is pure filth. Ample argument can be found in the sahih (authentic) books of islam. But to persons who have nothing better to do than to kiss the ass of a disgusting seventh century Arab impersonating a prophet and holy man this all is to no avail. There none so blind as he who does't want to see. There is none so deaf as he who doesn't want to hear. As to anger, I have no anger towards fools blinder by religious fanaticism. It is like being angry at a mad dog, or an amuck maker. I am afraid for the fate of The Wst, deceived by Taqqiya artists inundating the West like a tsunami of islamic sewage water.


people are mixing too many

people are mixing too many things. Darwin etc were early thinkers and gave us a 'line of thought'. Since man 'started thinking', they took to nature and started observing world around the place. Man started experimenting and found certain food items good and certain bad. They started pass on the knowledge to next one. In that sense some sort of religions etc also came where priest used to have authority. The rational thinking, logical experimentation etc made humans progress.
Among all religions, Islam is the most retarded and gibberish. Can a man or women can be made from mud or dirt? Its plain bullshit, life can be made from another life. Thus if muhammed's god allah would have told that human are part of my 'cell' or 'flesh', then that would have made sense.
In recent times 'cross-breeding' among dogs and other animals have resulted in a new type of species of dogs and other things. These you can say human induced genetic change or forced evolution.

Islam is not only bad for humans, but its againt nature as 'population explosion' comes natural to it. Main reason is irresponsible sex and multitude of children. Next 30 years is crucial as muslims will destroy nature and nature will strike back with famines, flood and earthquakes or Islam will collapse as sanity will crop into muslim "" intellectuals"" and they will help in complete de-islamization and betterment of the world.


TO CHANDRA YOUR REALLY

TO CHANDRA YOUR REALLY SPEAKING NONSENSE AND I QUOTE YOU SAYING:'' Evolution is a process in biological cells. The change in genetic code in cells is evolution. Recenty they found a species in ethopia called ‘ARDI’, which was million s of years old and people believe we evolved from this kind of species.''

Darwin in his own book (origion of species) had doubts about his theory thats why he had a very own chapter in his book called difficuties of evolution, whereby he stated his own questions about evolution that he couldnt answer but maybe answered via new scientific evidence.

Unfortunantly modern science doesnt agree with his thoeroy because unlike the microscope his was using in his days, which only allowed him to see cells as just a black dot we today see it as a whole empire whereby it has its own dedicated areas to perform singular complex functions.

Further in the 21st century scientist uncovered the DNA which is a strand that records everything about us, from our eye colour and so on. And all scientist, I WOULD LIKE MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU ALL SCIENTISTS WHO STUDIES THE DNA says that the DNA strand can never be formed out of chance or prior to evolution.

Here are some quotes from doctors

As biophysicist Dr. Lee Spetner explains, “. . .Reptiles and birds are very different. Reptiles have no genetic information for wings or feathers. To change a reptile into a bird would require the addition of. . .complex information. . . . I really do not believe that the neo-Darwinian model can account for large scale evolution. What they really can’t account for is the build up of information. . . .And not only is it improbable on the mathematical level, that is theoretically, but experimentally one has not found a single mutation that one can point at that actually adds information. In fact, every beneficial mutation that I have seen reduces the information, it loses information”1

“The conclusion of intelligent design flows naturally from the data itself—not from sacred books or sectarian beliefs . . . The reluctance of science to embrace the conclusion of intelligent design . . . has no justifiable foundation . . . . Most people, including many important and well-respected scientists, just don’t want there to be anything beyond nature”
Michael Behe, molecular scientist from Lehigh University
Darwin’s Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution, 1996

“Evolution is unproved and unprovable.”
Sir Arthur Keith, author of the foreword to the 100th edition of
Origin of the Species.

“Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con-men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever.”
Dr. T. N. Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission, USA.

“Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless.”
Professor Louis Bounoure, Director of Research,
National Center of Scientific Research.

“[Evolutionary theory] is still, as it was in Darwin’s time, a highly speculative hypothesis entirely without direct factual support . . . ”
Michael Denton, molecular biologist

(Over 400 scientists are “convinced by new scientific evidence that Darwinian evolution is deficient.”)

So no Evolution than tell me what are we suppossed to follow:

CHANDRA FUTHER STATED: Yes there is a God, which is clearly not Allah as allah goes against nature. Allah is a creation of the mind of muhammed, just 1400 years ago. Why allah is against nature as one simple case every muslim does genital mutiliation of health skin of both male and female and in many case females die. Muhammed approved it, means he was a sick and went against nature.

ANSWER: OK chandra are we supposed to follow hinduism millions of god. You worship the cow and we muslims and people of other faith eat the cow. Now if a cow cant fight back does it make logical sense to worship it. Your own hindu scripture teaches there is only one god and that there are no images of him.

You associate Allah to many bad things, so now bring the proof to your accusations. You people dont know how to bring proof but you think fabricated documents or documents taken out of context is your proof. LOL. dont make me laugh.


I am writing this , On behalf

I am writing this , On behalf of all the Muslims in the world and Pedo MO. Chandra How dare you say all those things against Alla. Alla created this earth and all human beings. Ask LS, he can provide you with 1000s of links to prove tje ALLA(The Greatest Pimp) created human beings by using clay.(That is why so many Muslims are having Clay instead of Brain) . Please do not make LS to leave London and go to the Holy Land.(Sodi Barbaria -this term is Borrowed from PK) .MH , Please tell us , How many wifes and concubines does your husband Have?
Does he beat you every day according to ALLA (sorry, Pedo MO). Kafirs You all will be burned in Hell fire for ever(The Pimp is the MOST Merciful)


To: londonspirit

To: londonspirit
Comment ID #26751
October 11, 2009 • 3:30 pm

LS wrote to: Editor

... "
ANSWER: OK editor prove to me that there is no god, using science. And prove to me that muhammed was a narcissit, and i promise you what ever you say i will easily refute."

I say: your basic understanding is flawed. Science is the knowledge that we acquire by observation, analysis, experimentation, replication of the observation and deduction of fact from the fiction.

GOD has not been observed or sensed, even remotely, in any way and by anyone EVEN BY MOHAMMAD and all the so-called "prophets". GOD is a figment of imagination of our ancestors who lacked knowledge to understand the world around them. Everything awesome and beyond comprehension for cavemen was attributed to some UNKNOWN. The same UNKNOWN got the name of GOD subsequently.
Asking from atheists to prove the non-existent GOD is like saying "You have money because you say you have no money".

Science is a tool and is not meant to prove existence of GOD. No scientist ever said so. By the way, Opinions of scientists don't matter, SCIENCE DOES. If believers think they can use science to prove GOD's existence, they are welcome to prove it.. No believer has volunteered so far!
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LS said: ... "Well if your cant make these creation, than answer the querstion. WHO MADE THESE CREATURES?. "

I say: CREATION and creatures are expressions used by believers who presume CREATION and the CREATOR!
The belief spares the believers the labor of learning as they are used to lead a life by prescription.
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LS said: "Scientists to this day cant prove evolution and are calling it a hoax. So in the near future if it is proved that evolution is a hoax, what will you start beliveing in."

I say: Millions of examples, tons of evidential material to prove evolution. None to the contrary.
Who are scientists calling evolution a hoax? Are you making up things by yourself? Are you a privy to any scientific forum? If yes, name it. Or, contradictions are proofs to a believer?
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LS said: "Lets just say for arguments sake the creator is not Allah. Than tell me IF YOU OR NOBODY IN THIS WORLD CAN EVEN MAKE A DROP OF WATER OR EVEN THE SMALLEST CELL, THAN WHO CREATED IT, WHATS THE CREATORS NAME."

I say: Only you talked of CREATOR/CREATION, The Editor did NOT. You can answer this one yourself!
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LS said: "And before any one even bothers saying it happened out of chance, let me assure you that the law of thermodynamics state energy cannot be created or destroyed. So in order for the big bang to happen it required an immense energy, so if energy cannot be created, where did this energy come from?."

I say: Laws of Thermodynamics aren't part of any religious Holy Book. It is a subject of Physics, a branch of science. Joining a class will help you get the answer.

Every believer who learns of quantum physics turns into a prophet. Knowledge does awe believers.. just like their belief in GOD!


Inspite of all the best

Inspite of all the best reasonings and arguments put forward to defend Muhammad and the islamic myth , there is inevitably 1 thing :'VIOLENCE! and that too so much of it in extreme measure coming from this evil cult in the name of God.
why is it so? think, muslims. There is so much of hatred & violence mentioned in islam and lunatics ( read islamists) are following it to the core, hell bent on creating havoc around, especially to the non muslim population. Probably the only love islam preaches is about the love amongst the muslim brethhren and the'Ummah'. There is defintely an evil agenda behind all these., i.e; to go on fighting for islam till either the whole world perishes in non faith or accepts Islam unconditionally.
Come on,, as far as I know, no other religion in the world , preaches such rascism (against the kaffirs) and violent hatred and war against the other . If there is any, then its definetely not from the divine.
Think all of you, think . Wake up and start realising the perils associated with this evil cult. Its the 21st Century and not the 7th, don't let ur minds be warped in a by-gone era.


Dear Mr Ahmed Khan, truth is

Dear Mr Ahmed Khan,

truth is not a matter of money. You can't prove something true or false because of money that has been offered to you. Thing's are either true or false, no matter how much money you offer someone for proving it.

Please let me quote you:"You people can not save yourself from total destruction of death, cannot make a drop of water, a small grasshopper; but you talk like you have created the round earth, spreading sky everything that come under consideration of philosophy that your fathers have taught and brain washed you.."

This has nothing to do with Islam at all. First of all it's an ad hominem attack. Secondly, the allegations are completely unrelated to Islam. Assume Mr. Sina could create water and grasshopers! Would that prove his assertions about mohammed and Islam? No! So why do you bring this up?

"Truth need not to be harmonious like drama of Shakespeare, it can be as harsh as death..."

Well, if this isn't meant as a death threat to Ali Sina, then I would like to say. Yes, the truth can be harsh and it can be humiliating to learn that ones cherished belief is wrong and in fact silly. So, I would urge you to start reading about the challenges of this website and the evidence supporting it.

Just start with the most obvious and easy topic. The quran is the uncorrupted and eternal word of god. It contains no errors or discrepancies. This is orthodox Islamic faith and it can be disproven by the flick of a finger. This site contains lots of information.

Once you put that to the dustbin, then scrutinize mohammeds and allahs character. Allah is definitely not benevolent or mercyful. Just read the quran:

"8:67 It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allâh desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise."

What an evil bastard! He tells mohammed to kill people instead of taking them captive! Allah has no mercy for his enemies. He cherishes death, not life.....

Well then, all the best to you and I hope you wake up from your dogmatic slumber

Regards,

kikl


**** breaking

**** breaking news******
muhammad was sexually abused as a young boy,the subject was researched by an iraqi DR.sallah yousef.
a well known arab website is debating to puplish or not.the site is www.ahewar.org.i will let you guys know if they publish.


sorry my bad. againthe site

sorry my bad.
againthe site is.www.ahewar.org


To londonspirit Comment ID

To
londonspirit
Comment ID #26774

-- First thing first, Darvin never told that his argument is final, he was a simple man who gave us a 'line of thought' regarding present man. He cant be 100 % right, but he is also not 100% wrong. Just like Einstein and other scientists put a 'constant' or a variable in all equations like e = mc2 etc, here c = constant value cant be 100 % exact.
Now say God is perfectly defined by hindu scriptures. First nowhere cow is considered as god, its known as a respectable animal, as after mother we can drink milk from her.It has feelings and even an old cow gives 'cowdung' which in many villages used as fuel after drying.
After reading your theory , I can tell is that you have hardly any knowledge of 'hinduism'. Say you have 'hunger', then in how many ways you can remove your hunger? You can eat millions of varieties of food, and we know that still many more way is there to cook food. Now say if some idiot comes and says that you can finish your hunger, by eating only one food like 'chicken sandwitch' and no other way, and anyone eating anyother food, just kill him. What your reaction is?
Even before islam came, people were living decent and nice way and also more than 5.3 billion people who are 'non-muslim' are living a good life and far far better life than muslims. Muslims are the poorest, more cruel and least educated and barbaric.
Also the premise that God knows only one language that is 'arabic' is insulting to God as many humans know multiple language.
Worshiping God in any way is Good, also hinduism says that either you can worship God for hours or you can do your work sincerely and dont harm nature you can get God's love even without formally worshiping.


Londonspirt wrote "And if

Londonspirt wrote

"And if you really wanted to show muslims the truth you would show this fallicy regardless of whether Mr. Khan had the money or not since you are here to show people the truth about islam. WHy are you hiding this fallicy. I want to see if it is easily refutable just like all your other pathetic arguments."

You are really funny.
Fallacy means a false argument that has the appearance of truth but is based on fallacious premises. So how can I show the truth to Muslims by telling them a big lie?

I said for a billion dollar I am capable of putting together an intricate web of lies that would fool those who like to be fooled, but it will not fool people who can use their rational reasoning.

You want me to fabricate the best and the most convincing lie in favor of Islam? I will do it for a fee. I will prove to you that Allah is not the best deceiver. I can beat him even in that department.

I know Islam and the Muslims' mind. I know their weaknesses and their gulibility. So it is not hard to fabricate a lie that would make them believe more in Islam. Kith Moor and Maurice Bucaille did it. I can do a lot better than them. However, if you want me to fabricate these valuable lies about Islam you have to first pay. I can even give you a good discount.


Ahmed Khan says: "But i swear

Ahmed Khan says:
"But i swear by Allah, a prostitute is more innocent than you"

Allah allows temporary marriages (prostitution)
Therefore Allah allows every female Muslim to be a prostitute.
Pretty sick, huh?


London Spirit, Trying to

London Spirit,
Trying to foolishly disprove the theory of evolution does not prove the existence of God , nor does it prove that Mohammad was his messenger.
Read this web site for some real information. It shows atheism is growing faster than Islam, and that atheists are more educated.
Atheist Empire
http://www.atheistempire.com/


To Kokamal This is in reply

To Kokamal
This is in reply to Comment ID #26769
October 11, 2009 • 5:40 pm .

----You stated ["only a moron demands proof of what is obvious and you are one."]

++ Not really. If it is so obvious, then prove or disprove using logic and/or Venn diagram the following statement:

“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims”.


The miracle of human variety

The miracle of human variety is in danger of disappearing, if all of us speak alike, dressed alike, ate the same food, read the same fiction and enjoy the same music. It would be a great loss to our colourful planet. Public sector needs a multilingual work force. Teachers and police officers can help with race relations in the classroom and in the community. The public sector is seeking multilingual recruits to serve multicultural Britain. The ability to speak languages from Arabic to Urdu is considered to be an asset. Linguistic skills in addition to the usual entry criteria will boost the number of recruits in teaching, police, medicine, nursing and civil service. Bilingual teachers, police officers, doctors and nurses are in a better position to serve the bilingual Muslim community. The language system has been used successfully in the United States. Mary Doherty at TTA, points out that bilingual teacher can be particular welcome in state schools for bilingual pupils. Various studies show that bilingualism increased over all intelligence. Monolingualism leads to isolationist and inward thinking.

Exposer to different languages and cultures can increase tolerance. Language learning in childhood lays the foundations for developing real fluency in that language. Every child should have the opportunity to study a foreign language and develop their interest in the culture of other nations. Languages can be seen as an important way of putting more fun into primary learning and of broadening our children experience. Learning a second language boosts your intellectual powers by physically increasing the number of nerve cells in the language centres of the brain. A study at University College London shows that the brains of bilingual people are structurally enhanced campared to the brains of people who can only speak one language. The effect is even more marked in people who learnt a second language before they were five. Speaking a second language is like having access to another world. No other subject expands mental horizons in the same way. In an ordinary English school in inner cities, nearly 100 languages are spoken, yet still essentially this is still a monolingual nation. London is the most multicultural city in the world with over 300 languages spoken everyday.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual teachers as role models during their developmental periods. All state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority should be designated as Muslim community schools. They are in a better position to provide balanced education by teaching National Curriculum along with Arabic, Islamic studies, Urdu and other community languages. Islamic atmosphere will help to develop Islamic Identity crucial for mental, emotional and personality development.
Iftikhar Ahmad


Well, I would like to amend

Well, I would like to amend that statement slightly. The vast majority of present day terrorists are muslims. Here's the proof:

9/11, Bali, London, Madrid, Mumbai, Nairobi, ...

Here are some statistics for you:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Using murder and terror in order to achieve political goals is part of Islamic doctrine. Mohammed said:

"...I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)"; Sahih Bukhari 4,52,220

"...I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" ..."; Sahih Bukhari 4, 52, 196

So there you have it!

Regards

kikl


"state funded Muslim

"state funded Muslim schools"

A democratic government based on human rights should not fund schools that teach children to hate democracy and universal human rights. Islam is fundamentally opposed to these values. Islam is intolerant to other religions. There is no place for an intolerant doctrine in a multicultural society. A multicultural society can only exist among cultures that respect each other. Therefore, there is no place for Islam in a multicultural society.

Regards

kikl


One more remark. I quoted

One more remark. I quoted from book 52 of Sahih bukhari. The title of the book is:

Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)

You can read it here:

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/musli...

These hadith are considered authentic by muslims, wherefore they are called Sahih!

If you can find anything pointing to a spiritual struggle in these hadiths, well I would be surprised!

Regards,

kikl


LS TALKING TO YOU AGAIN. DID

LS
TALKING TO YOU AGAIN.

DID YOU KNOW ADOLPH HITLER HATED CHRISTIANS AND HE BLAMED JEWS FOR CHRISTIANITY AND COMMUNISM ON 7-11-12, 1941 HE SAID THE HEAVIEST BLOW THAT EVER STRUCK HUMANITY WAS THE COMING CHRISTIANITY. BOLSHEVISM IS CHRISTIANITY'S BASTARD CHILD. BOTH ARE THE INVENTION OF JEWS. HE PRAISED ISLAM.
HITLER TOOK HIS SHABAHA FROM HUSSEINI, ARAFAT'S UNCLE AND REALLY HATED JEWS AND BEFORE THAT HE WROTE THE BOOK MEIN KAMPH OR IN ARABIC MY STRUGGLE.

ALLAH LIED AGAIN IN QURAN 2:137-139 THAT ALLAH IS THE BEST BAPTIZER AND MUSLIMS DONT EVEN BAPTIZE, PROVING ALLAH IS THE GREATEST LIAR, DECEIVER.


Nazism, Communism and Islam

Nazism, Communism and Islam are perfect trio of evil. Any one of this wins, evil or satan wins. Nazism gave life to 'Islam', yes its due to evil nazism, europe became weak, and India and other asian countries became free, which in turn made muslim nations free. Nazism wanted to finish the work of evil Islam, that is finishing the peaceful jews.
Islam is very unique element of evil, here an individual one is motivated to kill non-muslim males for 72 virgins or to get his property and his family as booty.Can a muslim immagine , what a nasty thinking is that. allah , the alter-ego of muhammed promised an harem?


Hei The Truth! I have told

Hei The Truth!

I have told you don't visit this website! But you still do.

Your comments are unlogical, unintellegent & inconsequential which can make muslims become murtad sooner.

Oh my God! You has helped Ali Sina to convict muslims that islam is logical fallacy because of your comments. Your comments really logical fallacy indeed! Or even worst no logic at all! Don't you rethink your comments before you typed and consider the impact to educated muslim?

Oh, man you have accelarated muslims all over the world to become murtad.


To ki_sabdopalon This is in

To ki_sabdopalon
This is in reply Comment ID #26860
October 12, 2009 • 3:13 am .

You stated ["I have told you don’t visit this website! But you still do. Your comments are unlogical, unintellegent & inconsequential which can make muslims become murtad sooner. Oh my God! You has helped Ali Sina to convict muslims that islam is logical fallacy because of your comments. Your comments really logical fallacy indeed! Or even worst no logic at all! Don’t you rethink your comments before you typed and consider the impact to educated muslim? Oh, man you have accelarated muslims all over the world to become murtad."]

++ Then you should be very happy. Isn't that what the purpose of FFI (Facts Fabrications International) is all about? So what is the problem?

++ If leaving Islam will make another idiot like you and the others in your category, then I will definitely stick to Islam. Islam must be the true choice for smart people.


Whoever doesnt want to be a

Whoever doesnt want to be a Muslim...no one is stopping you to fly to a Kaafir country where you can enjoy you life there. Just stop attacking real Muslims. I myself being born in a so called Muslim family that doesnt even follow Islam, it was my struggle, my choice, my love for logic, my search for the truth about human existence / religion led me to believe in Islam.

I have come across millions of people who call themselves Muslims but act like Non-Muslims. So dont be misleaded by these people because its not easy to find a good and real Muslim.

LONG LIVE ISLAM !


My simple question if suppose

My simple question if suppose Ali sina is right and all against whom he speaks are wrong,whats the point he is making out of this world without islam....i mean what does he believe in ? What s his concept of life, as a human and a superior created ?

"Strinking terror in the hearts of the men.."; fight them till they say there is No Lord but Allah..." well whats the harm in asking and struggling for who your creator is, the history is a witness to it how he forgave those who killed his uncles for the sake of Allah when they repented and chose the right path,,,, what did the Prophet of Islam leave, the concept of knowing your Lord and to be on the right path,

Whats the concept of human then,,,,why are we created if we dont know who out creator, why do we have to be blind to turn our backs to the creator.....
is it only be born, eat drink, sex and decay and die,,,,then why humans had to be created when animals follow the same trend.

Also check bibles for the penalties of death for those who deviated as well those in other scriptures..


Lol,you make me laugh,Mr ali

Lol,you make me laugh,Mr ali sina you have proved nothing so far.You are just babbling talking nonsense moreover you have been proved wrong many times,humiliated,caught red handed,lying and twisting facts to make yourself look good and i can prove it to you and to the readers so there is nowhere to hide...lol
Moreover you may need mental health attention...your narcissist is far away from what you think...
I know who you are don't try to hide yourself,you are an Iranian rat,atheist who suffer a mental disorder went lately to Iran hiding behind a computer claiming he knows it all...
I'll be right back.


londonspirit Comment ID

londonspirit
Comment ID #26774 Say:

"You associate Allah to many bad things, so now bring the proof to your accusations. You people dont know how to bring proof but you think fabricated documents or documents taken out of context is your proof. LOL. dont make me laugh."

I say:
How much more proof do you need? We only use quran and hadith. Hide your head in the sand all you want.


What is wrong about

What is wrong about terrorizing and killing people, who don't believe in your god? Well, you would surely find out, if you were on the receiving end of terror and murder.

What would you think of a religion, let's call it gumbat, that teaches:

I have been made victorious with terror cast in the hearts of the mulsims

I have been ordered to fight with the muslims till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but gumbat and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but gumbat,’ his life and property will be saved by me ...

I am sure Muslims would take up arms against gumbat and reject gumbat! Well, we kuffar reject islam for the same reason as muslims reject gumbat.

Regards

kikl


kikl the terrorizing word is

kikl the terrorizing word is creating fear of lord.,,look at the remarks you have made,,,,what would this invite from the creator....love to you for speaking about Him or fear God and come to the right track..

Let me know about what do you believe in ,,,,are you are kaffir ?? could you let me know what are you upto as far as concept of humans are concerned...the actual reason why human is sento to the world and driven back,,,


i mean if you say somthing

i mean if you say somthing isnt right or false that means something you would know that is correct or right in your belief,,,,,,,,,,,,could you please suggest to us whats that somthing as per your beliefs is right......similar question is asked from ali sina the king of wishful haters


To g-blade This is in reply

To g-blade
This is in reply to Comment ID #26891
October 12, 2009 • 6:31 am .

----You stated ["How much more proof do you need? We only use quran and hadith. Hide your head in the sand all you want."]

++ You are wrong. FFI (Facts Fabrications International) takes words out of context in quran and hadith then makes its own. This has been proven over and over as evidenced in the link:

http://www.examinethetruth.com/Ali_Sina_Gone_Wild.htm

Lies and distorting the truth is a trademark of Ali Sinner, his supporters and the contents of this web site.


To kikl This is in reply to

To kikl
This is in reply to Comment ID #26892
October 12, 2009 • 6:32 am .

----You stated ["What is wrong about terrorizing and killing people, who don’t believe in your god? Well, you would surely find out, if you were on the receiving end of terror and murder.
What would you think of a religion, let’s call it gumbat, that teaches:
I have been made victorious with terror cast in the hearts of the mulsims
I have been ordered to fight with the muslims till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but gumbat and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but gumbat,’ his life and property will be saved by me …
I am sure Muslims would take up arms against gumbat and reject gumbat! Well, we kuffar reject islam for the same reason as muslims reject gumbat."]

++ You argument is a logical fallacy. Once again you are distorting the truth about Islam. You are relaying on false information provided by Ali Sinner and his agents that is inaccurate and misleading. FFI (Facts Fabrications International) takes words out of context in Quran and hadith then makes its own. This has been proven over and over as evidenced in the link:

http://www.examinethetruth.com/Ali_Sina_Gone_Wild.htm

++Lies and distorting the truth is a trademark of Ali Sinner, his supporters and the contents of this web site.


DONT FORGET THE LINK EVERYONE


To All; ++ Proving Islam is

To All;

++ Proving Islam is wrong is like proving mathematics is wrong.

++ Some people do not understand mathematics. They fail to understand the logic behind mathematics. Hence they hate mathematics and they curse at it. However, that does not make mathematics a false science.

Similarly,

++ Some people do not understand Islam. They fail to understand the logic behind Islam. Hence, they hate Islam and they curse at it. However, that does not make it a false religion.

++ On the other hand, Muslims do accept Islam as their religion because they know it is a true religion. They understand its logic as much as any mathematician understands the logic and theorems of mathematics.


To All; ++ Proving Islam is

To All;

++ Proving Islam is wrong is like proving mathematics is wrong.

++ Some people do not understand mathematics. They fail to understand the logic behind mathematics. Hence they hate mathematics and they curse at it. However, that does not make mathematics a false science.

Similarly,

++ Some people do not understand Islam. They fail to understand the logic behind Islam. Hence, they hate Islam and they curse at it. However, that does not make Islam a false religion.

++ On the other hand, Muslims do accept Islam as their religion because they know it is a true religion. They understand its logic as much as any mathematician understands the logic and theorems of mathematics.

++ Some might say, we can apply the above argument to other religions as well. That is true I say. However, unlike the Quran, the Bible and the Torah have been altered. Hence, that makes them unreliable for any logical person to choose them as a religion.