The Mythical Moderate Muslim
Submitted by Yashiko Sagamori on Fri, 01/30/2009 - 06:41
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Primitive tribes offer sacrifices hoping to mollify whatever nonexistent beings they believe in. The New York Times columnist Paul Krugman belongs to a very sophisticated tribe that, according to the recently retired Malaysian Prime Minister, rules the world by proxy. One would think Mr. Krugman should be above such crude superstitions. Nevertheless, in his column on October 21, he suggests that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld should fire General Boykin in order to mollify moderate Muslims.
General Boykin, the leading anti-terror expert at the Pentagon and a devout Christian, had openly and publicly, on several occasions, expressed his personal opinion of Islam, which happens to be rather low. Considering where the terror is coming from, this is far less surprising than Mr. Krugman's eagerness to sacrifice both General Boykin and the First Amendment to mollify moderate Muslims. I'd like to ask Mr. Krugman what gives him a reason to believe that the beings he is trying to mollify actually exist. The official, politically correct point of view says that Islam is just another monotheistic religion, not that different from Judaism or Christianity. If that is true, then moderate Muslims must exist, just like moderate members of other faiths. However, moderate members of other faiths do not require sacrificial mollification — that's basically how we tell moderates from extremists. Therefore, either moderate Muslims are mythical creatures, or we need substantially different criteria to identify them. That dilemma alone should make us suspicious as to whether Islam is “just another religion”. Obviously, it is important that we determine how a moderate Muslim can be distinguished from a Muslim extremist. Why not ask Muslims themselves? Irshad Manji, a young Canadian author, has published a book titled The Trouble With Islam. Since we don't hear too many Muslim voices criticizing their religion, her book deserves our attention. This is what the author herself says on her promotional website (http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/the_book_index.html):|
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Apparently, the terms literalism and fundamentalism in the quotation above are used interchangeably, as synonyms of religious extremism. Unfortunately, the author fails to mention the most important difference between “literalists” in Islam and other religions. Evangelical Christians may believe that heaven is reserved for them alone. Ultra-Orthodox Jews may display intimate understanding of the murkiest places in the Talmud. I have no idea what extreme fundamentalist Buddhists do that sets them apart from their moderate coreligionists. What I do know however is that no religion except Islam pursues the idea of physical extermination of those who believe differently. The concept of holy war is unique to Islam. Jihad is the absolute monopoly of Muslims. There is no parallel to it in any other religion in the world. (Yes, I have heard about Crusades, but Christianity does not mandate them, and do you know when the last Crusade ended?) So, here we have it in plain English, as simple as A, B, C:
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According to the Koran, holy war against the infidels is a sacred duty of every Muslim. |
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According to Ms. Manji, mainstream Muslims interpret Koran literally. |
The conclusion is inevitable:
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Mainstream Muslims perceive war against the infidels — meaning you and me — as their sacred duty. |
Once you understand that, you don't need books to explain to you what exactly the trouble with Islam is. The trouble with Islam derives from the fact that mainstream Islam openly calls for murder of all infidels. That's why Islam is not “just another religion”. That's what, in my view, allows to classify all its followers as extremist. What then, besides our stubborn, groundless faith in the general goodness of our fellow human beings, leads us to believe that moderate Muslims are not just a figment of our imagination? How do they manifest themselves in the real world? It would be utterly useless to look for them in Gaza, Judea, or Samaria. Unlike bin Laden, terrorists occupying Israeli lands do not live in caves. They live in small towns, villages and crowded refugee camps where everyone knows everything about everyone else. They couldn't survive for a day without popular support. When someone gives them a reason to doubt the sincerity of his support, they label him a collaborator and murder him on the spot. Indeed, the PA-sponsored educational system guarantees that innocent children are indoctrinated in the most murderous variety of Islamic extremism — thereby losing their innocence — at the earliest possible age. Therefore, in Israel, a moderate Muslim is a dead Muslim, which is bad news for those who want us to believe that there is a peaceful solution to the continuing Arab war against Israel. Let's look elsewhere. Afghanistan, liberated by the United States from the medieval tyranny of the Taliban is about to publish the draft of its first constitution. Their new constitution is going to be firmly based on Islamic principles. The country itself is soon to be renamed the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. We wouldn't call a Jew or a Christian who wanted his religion to become the basis of his country's constitution a moderate, would we? Here, in the United States, we value the separation of church from state so much that we launch court battles to remove the Ten Commandments and every reference to God from everything that is even remotely related to the government. If Islam is “just another religion”, shouldn't the same criteria apply to Muslim countries? And if the same criteria do apply, we have to conclude that President Karzai installed in Afghanistan by the American military and unable to survive now or in the foreseeable future without the American military presence, is not a moderate Muslim, but an outright religious extremist. His “Very correct” remark to Mahadir's call for the extermination of Jews shows that he is a political extremist as well. Therefore, the only practical question regarding Afghanistan is why did the United States have to waste lives of its soldiers and tens of billions of dollars in order to replace one bunch of Muslim extremists with another? It might have been worthwhile had it improved our security at home, but, as we know, that didn't happen. Therefore, we have to conclude that the United States has once again won a battle but lost the war. Next, the same will inevitably happen in Iraq. Desperate search for moderate Muslims goes all around the world. It is especially urgent in Europe whose face is being irreversibly altered by mass immigration from Islamic countries. Recently, the British government appealed to the growing British Muslim community to isolate extremists in their midst. It's not hard to predict the response. Actually, there will be no response, because everyone in any Muslim community is an extremist. Such is the nature of Islam, and the only thing that I find hard to comprehend is the self-imposed blindness of the British government. Apparently, such is the price of liberalism and political correctness. Bye-bye, Europe. We are next. I don't think World War II could be won if the Allies, instead of eradicating Nazism, attempted to replace Nazi extremists with moderate Nazis. Actually, nobody was looking for moderate Nazis during World War II. But those were simpler, purer times. Today, the mythical moderate Muslim remains the focal point of the US foreign policy in the Middle East. The blind faith in his existence has already led the United States to many monumental failures, and many more are to be expected in the future. Meanwhile, the moderate Muslim, along with the Big Foot, the unicorn, the Loch Ness monster, remains more elusive than a cure for cancer: there is at least a theoretical possibility that a cure for cancer can be found one day, unless of course Islam takes over and drags us all down into its own endless Dark Ages. (Re-Post: Previously published on November 5, 2003)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captivity_of_Mangalorean_Catholics_at_Serin... ......... This is how Tippu Sultan, the evil-minded Muslim ruler treated the Mangalorean Christians. Tippu is hailed in Indian text books as a great secularist. There is no liberal or secular muslim.
You may have added cure to
You may have added cure to HIV in the last one.. , ja!
To be a true Secular is to
To be a true Secular is to have the ability to separate Religion and Politics. Are the Muslim able to do it? Their religion demand them to put their religious principles above all the others.
I have ask once a young nurse as part of my research project on perception of Muslim nurses : If I you have two patients. One a muslim and the other a non Muslim. Both collapse at the same time, who would you attend first. Out of 100 98% said, they will attend the Muslim patient first. What's the rationale: because they are muslim. Muslim must help Muslim first then the other.
"Even if all those years of training we have provided for you.. and your conscious said, you should have attend to the non Muslim first?" and they look blankly at me because they have no answer. This is the point I am trying to make.
No matter how secular a Muslim claim him selves/her-selves to be, eventually religion will be the deciding force in whatever they do, because their religion demand that of them. Islam is all about separating.. you and me are not the same. As long as you do not believe in my believe you are kaffir... you go to hell and only I and those like me will go to heaven.
Being secular means not being
Being secular means not being Muslim, or shall I say not being Muslim enough. This is one thing where one can score bronie points in Islamic Republics. Every Leader (in islamic repulics) is hell bent on proving that he is a better Muslim and that his opponent is not. The best example is Pakistan, where there is a continous mud slinging match between political leaders who are heel bent on proving that their opponents are not Muslim enough.
Imran Khan, who is more famous for his drinking and womanizing stints than for his criket has been the scapegoat of every politician in Pakistan. He is now turning Ultra Religious, for the simple reason that no leader or political party can survive in a Banana Repulic like Pakistan without claiming to be Islamic enough. This what prompted a man like Imran Khan to demand Sharia law in Pakistan. He knows that the people will never support some one who is not Muslim enough.
So any country with a Muslim majority can never be secular in any sense of the word. The problem is none other than Islam, which acts more as a political setup rather than a personal religion.
"......No religion except
"......No religion except Islam pursues the idea of physical extermination of those who believe differently. The concept of holy war is unique to Islam. Jihad is the absolute monopoly of Muslims. There is no parallel to it in any other religion in the world....."
Sad.....but true. Yashiko, your article from 2003 still holds-up and has much meat on the bone. I am a Canadian ex-muslim and have read this book of Irshad Manji's mentioned above and followed the evolution of her career in detail. One can only hope this young women sides with truth and unbiased accuracy on all fronts.....
My brief comment is: Islam is obviously not a religion of tolerance, moderation, or peace. It is self evident to any informed person of sound mind and heart that Islam has failed Muslims. In my opinion Islam should be discredited and abandoned. Islams fundamental claims are untrue. Islam has done far more harm than it has done good. In truth Mohammed was a deceitful, despicable human being. Islam demands that those who leave it be despised or harmed. This is proof to Apostates of honourable character such as myself that Islam is a truely depraves religion. Many people dare not leave Islam for they feel a deep need for spirituality. I myself am a non-religious person with spiritual leanings who has studied and experienced these matters in some depth. Each person has their own path and is working at there own pace. Out of understanding respect for FFI i wouldn't think of airing my person views in detail. To each there own.
Simple example.In w w 2,the
Simple example.In w w 2,the allies destroyed Germany & Japan to get at their leaders.(in fact Germany suffered more overall damage than Japan)The people realized that they were liberated from their dictators & worked to rebuild their nations.Look what Germany & Japan have achieved.In the same spirit look at Iraq & Afghanistan,they were liberated 5 & 9 years ago.Guns,bombs & mass murders is the only achievement.They don't mind cutting their own face to spite the west.MODERATE ISLAM IS A MYTH.My dear allies/NATO,Muslims are a different ball game,sooner you realize it, the better it is to the world peace.
Muslim is Moderate till he
Muslim is Moderate till he can't kick your ass.
Moscum is peace loving till
Moscum is peace loving till he can get his hands on a dagger. Moscums are peace loving till the population reaches critical 10%.Moscums remain always moscums for as long as they stick to the dik of the pedophile rapist and pimp allah.
Muslims fail to fathom the
Muslims fail to fathom the idea of secularism. In fact each of us is born into this world as a secular person, on the contrary to a popular muslim myth that each person is born a muslim. It will be utterly foolish for a muslim to think that God has sanctioned Islam to be the absolute truth which is actually what makes islamists extermists, intolerant and racists. I do agree with the author of this article that other faiths, contains its share of extremists but also do believe that the case of extremist christians is due to their poor understanding of the bible. For example an extremist christian will use an article of christian faith that says trust in jesus christ guarantees eternal life to look down on non believers instead of feeling sorry, loving and praying for them. Also no one knows what exactly God thinks or plans. We are called only to share the good news not to curse, threaten or maim.
There are plenty of moderates
There are plenty of moderates in Indonesia. Or rather, Musloms who are very Islamic! That's one country that you guys should really concentrate on. Those people are truly wonderful (especially the women haha) and don't give a xxxx about Islam. Given the freedom, most of them wold apostate. Islam has failed completely to subdue them and kill their humanity.
Any one who claims he
Any one who claims he respects the beliefs of others, who are not moscums is simply 1.Lying if he knows islamic shit properly.
2.Simply ignorant most likely will turn an apostate, if he gets to know islamic shit.
3,Most likely a convert to islam from another religion for personal gains from islamic shit like second or third marriages ( a not uncommon finding amongst virile hinuds!)
4.Is dumb ass and is regurgitating mullahs vomitus.
5.Clever clog biding his time to thrust dagger in to you
6.Divorced ugly looking muslimahs in moscum countries.
7.Public figure who benefits more from sprouting such asinine comments than speaking the truth.
8.Indian english sheepish arsehole media people.
Apart from the above every one else knows the truth about islamic shit.
Dear proud flat earth
Dear proud flat earth fellow
there is no need to feel sorry for us who do not believe in either the rapist pedophile mohammad or the dead jew on a stick.neither we need your pity nor your prayers and love.You know where to shove this crap? Where the sun doesnt shine.
Proudkafir if you even dont
Proudkafir if you even dont need love then why are you criticizing Islam? We are here to help FFI in transforming hateful idealogies into love of humanity isn't it? So definetely you need love.
Ahh Thought you might
Ahh Thought you might respond!
I may or may not need love, but may accept it as long as it is unconditional love.You know the type of love a mother gives to her child, sort of love a caring grand parent gives to the grand children etc.they are divinely affections that do not ask for any thing in return at all.i hope you understand.Your sorry, prayers etc have no meaning at all to me.
I thought mine was the
I thought mine was the unconditional love. You dont need my love yet I love you. Mmh, a bit supprise that you write "divinely affections", do you believe in divine sorts...?
Prophet Muhammad was a
Prophet Muhammad was a natural successor of Prophet Jesus (John 14:16, John 16:7-13, Acts 3:22-25, Acts 7:37):
"I will pray the Father, and he shall give another comforter - that he may abide with you forever." (John 14:16)
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye can not bear them now. Howbeit, when he the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you unto all truth for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; he will show you things to come." (John 16:7-13)
"For Moses truly said unto the fathers, a Prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your breathren, like unto me, him shall ye hearken-in all things whatsoever he shall stay unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul which will not near that Prophet shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the Prophets, and of the Covenant which God made with our fathers saying unto Abraham. And in thy seed shall all the kindred of the earth be blessed." (Acts: 3:22-25)
"This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear." (Acts 7:37)
So, Jesus is our great Prophet of God!
Allah-Hu-Akbar!
A-MIM but the bible is a
A-MIM but the bible is a corrupted book remember! Why do you have to quote in that corrupted book to prove your case? Are you really a serious person?
proudchristian Says: [A-MIM
proudchristian Says:
[A-MIM but the bible is a corrupted book remember! Why do you have to quote in that corrupted book to prove your case? Are you really a serious person?]
Well, you (Christians) believe it to be the true word of God (Jesus)! You can also use the Quran to prove your case, if any, as we believe it to be the true word of God.
Can you (Christians) announce worldwide if you do not believe the Bible to be the true word of God? If you do, then we will never use the Bible to prove our case. OK?
A-MIM, you have got to agree
A-MIM, you have got to agree with the bible in its entirety or to shut up. Just as I reject the whole quran and equate it to the manual of bigotry or Mein Kempf! To use quran to prove my case? What do you mean?
A-MIM wrote: "Well, you
A-MIM wrote:
"Well, you (Christians) believe it to be the true word of God (Jesus)! You can also use the Quran to prove your case, if any, as we believe it to be the true word of God."
"Can you (Christians) announce worldwide if you do not believe the Bible to be the true word of God? If you do, then we will never use the Bible to prove our case. OK?"
No you can't use the Quran to prove it is the word of God, for most of us were not alive when the Quran was created, there is only the word of Muhammed who states the Quran is the word of God. There is nothing to prove the Quran is the word of God, absolutely nothing at all. The person who believes the Quran is the word of God is merely putting his faith on what the Quran says. The same thing can be said about the Bible.
In regards to the Bible there is thousands and thousands of archaelogical evidence that support the Bible as a reliable historical record. The evidence shows King David did exist ( but not as a prophet as the Quran states ) the slavery of the Jews, Jesus did exist and the Bible was not corrupted by the Jews and Christians as the Quran states.
Also just because their is historical evidence that supports the Bible as a historical record, does not mean there is evidence to support the Quran, because there is nothing to support the claim Abraham visited Mecca and the Arabs are the descendents of Ishmael, since it believed Ishmael migrated and settled near the Tigris and Euphrates river, which is located in present day Iraq, not Saudi Arabia.
proudchristian, you must be
proudchristian,
you must be a damn ignorant, boy/girl! after all, you are a follower of Paul, and not Jesus’! Muslims’ belief doesn't depend on any other scripture. we can also through your book into garbage as it's much more violent than Mein Kempf! after all, Hitler was a true follower of the Bible and your Lord Jesus! so, what are you proud of?!
A-MIM respond to the
A-MIM
respond to the article. can you?
Marie, You must have been
Marie,
You must have been brainwashed by a new pastor/minister! Am I right?
A-MIM, those who live in
A-MIM,
those who live in glass houses do not change their clothes in day light....
You are yet to answer any of the questions that i have asked you and yet you are unashamedly taking on others for their beliefs.
Bible may be equal to mein kempf but quran is no doubt worse than mein kempf.
you are a hippocrite unless you can either prove otherwise or agree to the fact that quran is a terror manual and mohammad a paedophile, rapist, murderer, sexist, misogynst, narcissist, brutal killer, racist
A-MIM wrote: Marie, You
A-MIM wrote:
Marie,
You must have been brainwashed by a new pastor/minister! Am I right?
No I have at least 20 books on Christianity, including it's history, a book based on the works of Josephus, a Jewish historian, and books on archaeology in the Bible. Unlike you I am a lover of books and some thirst for knowledge. I also love to read horror, sci-fi, fantasy, history, politics, and books about scientific evidence for the existance of God. You see I am not dumb and blind like you are.
Marie Says: "No I have at
Marie Says:
"No I have at least 20 books on Christianity, including it’s history, a book based on the works of Josephus, a Jewish historian, and books on archaeology in the Bible. Unlike you I am a lover of books and some thirst for knowledge. I also love to read horror, sci-fi, fantasy, history, politics, and books about scientific evidence for the existance of God. You see I am not dumb and blind like you are."
Oh boy (sorry, girl)! You must be a genius then and yet you believe in the Bible! Do you know genius like you (ex: Einstein, Newton, Bertrand Russell, et al.) never believed in the Bible?!
You believe in Jewish historian? Do you know Jews believe that “Jesus is in hell, being boiled in hot excrement." (Talmud, Gittin 57a)
[...] January 30, 2009 by
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I cannot respect a religion
I cannot respect a religion if it teaches outright hatred and violence. Islam especially does this. I've seen other religions teach hatred, but mostly in a very subtle way, never in an outright way. I will not mention what religion this is, but it's a small religion, a little bit out in left field. It's these religions that give Christianity a bad name.
focussed, you wanted to discuss religion with me. I don't have that much time. But it would be interesting if you think that your religion is infallible in the ingredients that are necessary for salvation. Is it infallible in that area? My religion teaches infallibility but only in the area of FAITH and MORALS. It does not teach infallibility, for example, in astronomy, medicine, biology, et cetera.
Another thing, in my religion there are many miracles in the supernatural order. I myself have witnessed some that would boggle the mind. But it never bothers me. If the God of the Christians and Jews continues revealing miracles to enlighten us, I will not have to discuss religion with anyone. I will show them. At this very moment, there is a miracle in the supernatural order that has converted thousands of people. This miracle was put there by God through my intercession. It is still there. At present, I'm asking God to extend this miracle so that the whole world will believe that God exists, that demons exist, that saints exist in a supernatural world. Are some Hindu saints in paradise with God? My religion teaches that anyone, even Muslims, who tries to please the Supreme Being, his Creator, to the best of his ability, that person will be saved. God is a just God. He would never damn a good person who is trying to please Him.
I believe you know that I'm Catholic. I have seen and heard the "impossible" many times. I'm very fortunate. When someone teaches something that is different from what I've seen and heard, naturally I cannot agree with that person. I've noticed that these miracles that I have witnessed are in concert with Catholicism. Many other Christians, but many more Catholics than Protestants, have experienced the supernatural, but they don't tell too many because they fear ridicule. I'm not afraid of ridicule. May the Supreme Being bless you.
I'm still praying that God will extend this miracle that I'm thinking about. Of course we could visit, but it's somewhat dangerous at this time because of the so-called authority, actually outlaws. You see, the outlaws suspect me. Some suspect that I had much to do in the destruction of their many friends that we sent to hell. They'll never catch me.
Amin, god gave us all our own
Amin, god gave us all our own brain to think for ourselves. Einstein couldnt even tie his shoes but built the bobm.
The Quran is the same as the Talmud. In fact Muhammad made the enslaved rabbi write the part of the Quran from Medina. The Talmud and the Quran contain the same crap but the rabbis tell us that the Talmud is not from GOD. Muhammad said the Quran was from Allah. The rabis mader sure we would know someday thAt the Quran is from its father, the DEVIL. Sura 3:54.
Muhammad aka Allah said all women are created STUPID and are just a vagina for a man to use any way, oral, anal, or vaginal. Tabari 1:280.
Amin #16 The Comforter was
Amin #16
The Comforter was the Holy Spirit. The only people Muhammad comforted were women, both dead and alive. Babies and dau in law. The comforter was to be for all who followed Jesus not Muhammad. If Muhammad was really after Jesus, God is crazy. He said love your enemies, Allah said kill them.
Allah is the DEVIL Sura 3:54.
Dear Marie and all the other
Dear Marie and all the other christians
Can you please stop falling into the trap of answering the copy-pastes of retards such as A-MIM and the rest of the Muhammedans? The only way they justify their hate cult is by pointing the finger at other religions.
This site probably took a long time to put together and Im sure Ali Sina did not put it together in order for you guys to justify christianity. Some of us are Agnostics, some are Atheists,some are Christians, some are Jews some are Hindus.
The only thing that unites us all is our common values of human rights.
The only 'religion' that is violating *every* single human right is Islam.
This site has one purpose only, to educate muslims and help them see the Quran and Muhammad for what they really are. We are trying to save lives here? Cant you see that this is urgent?
Can we all make a solid agreement to avoid talking about our personal beliefs and focus on Islam here?
Im waiting for affirmative answers from each of you. Thank you.
btilly, I think you're wrong
btilly, I think you're wrong when you said that paedophile, child molester, diaperchaser, pervert pig Muhammad comforted women. Maybe a little bit, but mostly he would beat the living daylights out of them, and was rough as hell when he raped them.
Jesus surrendered his will to
Jesus surrendered his will to the Will of his Creator (Allah):
“Jesus says: I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father.” (John 5:30)
So, he was a true Muslim!
Jesus didn’t want to die! He
Jesus didn’t want to die! He was crying on the cross to his Creator Eloi (Allah in Arabic):
Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34)
His Creator Allah saved him from his enemies:
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. (Quran 4:157-158).
The Islamic solution of the
The Islamic solution of the Christian Holy Trinity:
Father = God the Creator;
Son (Jesus) = Prophet of God (Matthew 21:11, Luke 24:19);
Holy Ghost = Arch Angel Gabriel.
So, the mystery of the Holy Trinity is solved!
WTF? can i get answers please
WTF?
can i get answers please
(10. Paulo Says: January
(10. Paulo Says:
January 30th, 2009 at 11:42 am
There are plenty of moderates in Indonesia. Or rather, Musloms who are very Islamic! That’s one country that you guys should really concentrate on. Those people are truly wonderful (especially the women haha) and don’t give a xxxx about Islam. Given the freedom, most of them wold apostate. Islam has failed completely to subdue them and kill their humanity.)
Given the freedom, that is the key. Once there would be freedom of religion in Muslim countries large percentage of Muslims will leave Islam and the majority of them will convert to Christianity and to Buddhism to a lesser extent. This is specially true of Indonesia, Malaysian and Iran - in that order.
In Pakistan, Bangldesh and India they would convert to Hinduism or Buddhism.
Mullahs and Imams know it. That is why it will take a very long time before Muslim countries become free. But one day it will happen.
A-MIM is still hung up on the
A-MIM is still hung up on the trinity? That is the extent of A-MIM's knowledge?
Why do all non muslims so
Why do all non muslims so paranoid???
Islam is a peace religion. Nothing to be afraid of.
I am living in a muslim country. My neighbour is a Christian family. We are living in a peaceful harmony. On Christmas they spare their special cookings for us and we do the same on Eids. Never each other try to put poisonous food.
My very best friend in college was a Christian. Her father was a priest. Everyday I picked her up and we went to college together, every single day.
Dear Ibrahim, When you
Dear Ibrahim,
When you register in the english forum, I think you will need to choose another different password before you can post in there. Give it a try.
Cheers
A-MIM wrote: Ha ha ha ha ha
A-MIM wrote:
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Dude you actually believe the Talmud is a historical book?
Yup you definitely are a moron.
So, here we have it in plain
So, here we have it in plain English, as simple as A, B, C:
A.
According to the Koran, holy war against the infidels is a sacred duty of every Muslim.
B.
"According to Ms. Manji, mainstream Muslims interpret Koran literally.
The conclusion is inevitable:
C.
Mainstream Muslims perceive war against the infidels — meaning you and me — as their sacred duty."
NONSENSE. You should have seen what the Japanese did during their occupation of Southeast Asia for not worshipping the sun. heheh... this is a joke Yashiko.
I mean what did they did to
I mean what did they did to those who refuse to worship the sun. They just chopped off their heads.
all done by mainstream
all done by mainstream Japanese..if i use your logic or false analogy.
42. abang Says: I mean what
42. abang Says: I mean what did they did to those who refuse to worship the sun. They just chopped off their heads.all done by mainstream Japanese..if i use your logic or false analogy.
... in return they got GOD's wrath... the Atomic Bomb.
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