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Printer-friendly versionPrinter-friendly versionSend to friendSend to friendPDF versionPDF versionAwais On the Qur'an Who is Ilyaas? Ilyaas is translated as Elijah and Elias. Why? In the Greek, Elijah is known as Elias. Elijah is anglicanized from the Hebrew Eliyahu. The Greek version of the name is more similar to the Arabic. The original name is Eliyahu, the Greek translation came later in what is called the 'Septuagint'. The 's' in Elias exists because it is necessary in Greek grammar. So the Greek form of the name is closer to the Arabic than the original Hebrew. Why would God reveal to his messenger the corrupted form of the name of one of his prophets? Why is the name not closer to the Hebrew, 'Eliyahu'? The conclusion can be made that Muhammad heard it as 'Ilyaas'. This implicates that the Qur'an is not what is says it is, the word of God. The same can be said of 'Yunus'. the 's' only exists out of necessity to comply with Greek grammar. In Hebrew he is know as 'Yonah'. Or what of 'Sulayman'? 'Solomon' Greek rendering, 'Shlomo' Hebrew. Jahannam. From the Hebrew "Ge Hinnom", meaning "Valley of Hinnom". The valley is outside the south wall of ancient Jerusalem, and stretches from the foot of Mount Zion eastward to Kidron Valley. It is mentioned 13 times in 11 different verses in the Bible. It is not described as a spiritual hell but a literal valley in Jerusalem. After 638 B.C., the valley of Hinnom and the valley of the son of Hinnom became the place for burning rubbish from Jerusalem. Children were sacrificed to the god Moloch here and was thus deemed to be accursed; it thereafter became a figurative equivalent for "hell." (Wikipedia, JewishEncyclopedia ) Surah challenge. "Try and make a surah like it". This is a weak challenge. Who would be the judge? Who is to say that i cannot make a 'surah' like it. Most judges, especially Muslim judges, will be biased and subjective. I should like to see an objective judgement. Joseph Smith also says this of his scriptures, does that make them true? 4. "And now I, the Lord, give unto you a testimony of the truth of these commandments which are lying before you. (...) 6. Now, seek ye out of the Book of Commandments, even the least that is among them, and appoint him that is the most wise among you; 7. Or, if there be any among you that shall make one like unto it, then ye are justified in saying that ye do not know that they are true; 8. But if ye cannot make one like unto it, ye are under condemnation if ye do not bear record that they are true." -Doctrine and Covenants 67:4,6-8 "This book is the truth". This too, is a weak argument. I could write that in my book, it wouldn't make it true, or divinely inspired. Ponder this: 'the following sentence is true. the preceding sentence is false.' Joseph Smith also makes this claim of his book, does that make it true? "Indeed, this is in the former scriptures!" Sometimes it's not. One can argue "well, it was, but it's not anymore, because the text has been corrupted, changed by the pen of the scholars! the priests and the rabbis! it's in the Qur'an!". Then why should Allah mention a proof that will not be preserved? Where is Muhammad's name in the Torah, or in the Injeel (Gospel/Evangel)? the position of Muslims is best summed "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence", that is to say, just because we can't find it, doesn't mean it isn't there! Maimonides says the same, with more detail, in his 'Iggeret Teman' (Letter to Yemen) From Maimonides: בִּמְאֹד מְאֹד Preservation. Why could the former scriptures not be preserved? Why were they left to be corrupted? What of the number 19? Why cannot the signs be preserved? "Over it (Hell) are nineteen (angels). And We have set none but angels as guardians of the Fire, and We have fixed their number only as a trial for the disbelievers, in order that the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) may arrive at a certainty [that this Qur'?n is the truth as it agrees with their Books i.e. their number (19) is written in the Torah and the Gospel] and the believers may increase in Faith (as this Qur'?n is the truth) and that no doubts may be left for the people of the Scripture and the believers, and that those in whose hearts is a disease (of hypocrisy) and the disbelievers may say: "What All?h intends by this (curious) example ?" Thus All?h leads astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And none can know the hosts of your Lord but He. And this (Hell) is nothing else than a (warning) reminder to mankind. (Al-Muddaththir 74:31) Ezra. The Qur'an attributes shirk to the Jews, claiming they worship Ezra (Uzayr) as the son of God, as the Christians worship Jesus. this may have been true for the Jews in the area of Madinah, but then as now, they were a minority. This is a weird thing now ('Ajeeb). If you tell a Jew this he will have no idea what you are talking about. They don't worship Ezra as the son of God, nor do they claim that he is the son of God in exclusivity, as this trait is attributed to the righteous, Israel, and mankind in general. Why does Allah make a sweeping indictment that He 'knows' will not stick? Noah. He said: "O Noah... Do not ask me about that which you don't know! I admonish you, lest you be one of the ignorant." Noah said, "O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You about what I don't know!..." (Hud 11:46-47) What? How am I supposed to get knowledge without asking about that which I don't know? How will I not be ignorant by not asking? 9 signs given to Moses. In the Torah there are 10 (plauges). They do not include flood. But the argument can be made by the believer, 'The Qur'an is muhaymin over the Kitab Al-Muqaddis!'. Ok, whatever. Haman. Said to be Pharaoh's advisor in the Qur'an, but no mention of in the Torah, mentioned much later in the Bible as a tyrant in his own right, purim story. Maryam, Sister of Haroon (Aaron) "When the wife of 'Imran... delivered her (child), she said...'I have named her Maryam' " 3:35-36 'Imran is also the name of the father of Moses and Aaron, Amram in Hebrew; they have a sister named Miriam. It is speculated that Muhammad confused them. "Then she (Maryam) brought him (the baby Jesus) to her people, carrying him. They said...'O sister of Aaron!..' " 19:27-28 ...the Protoevangelium of James, an apocryphal Gospel which dates from the end of the second century. According to this document the parents of Mary are Joachim and Anna...The tradition as to the parents of Mary, found in the Gospel of James, is reproduced by St. John Damascene, St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Germanus of Constantinople, pseudo-Epiphanius, pseudo-Hilarius, and St. Fulbert of Chartres. Some of these writers add that the birth of Mary was obtained by the fervent prayers of Joachim and Anna in their advanced age. As Joachim belonged to the royal family of David, so Anna is supposed to have been a descendant of the priestly family of Aaron; thus Christ the Eternal King and Priest sprang from both a royal and priestly family. -"The Blessed Virgin Mary"-Her Parents, Catholic Encylopedia, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm, Apr. 19, 2008, 7:51 am -9 GMT Abrogation Umar said, "Our best Qur'an reciter is Ubai and our best judge is 'Ali; and in spite of this, we leave some of the statements of Ubai because Ubai says, 'I do not leave anything that I have heard from Allah's Apostle' while Allah says: "Whatever verse (Revelations) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We bring a better one or similar to it." (2.106) The Qur'an on Women. (Do they then like for Allah) a creature who is brought up in adornments (wearing silk and gold ornaments, i.e. women), and in dispute cannot make herself clear? (Az-Zukhruf 43:18) Women cannot make themselves clear in an argument? Has one not considered the female lawyer, or your average housewife? (Don't argue with her silly man, she wins by default) Jews / Al-Yahud / Bani Isra'il the slaughter of 700 Bani Qurayza Jews. The Sabbath / As-Sabt / Shabbat Jesus observed the Sabbath on Saturday, the Christians later changed it to Sunday. The Jews I informed about that ayat, and it's tafsir (the Sabbath originally being prescribed for Friday instead of astray Saturday), have thought it curious, maybe even ridiculous. The word Sabbath, in Hebrew (Shabbat), means 'to cease', or more popularly known, 'to rest'. So it would seem odd that observing the 'day of rest', the day Allah ceased creating, on Friday, when He was still creating, rather than Saturday, the day he 'ceased' from creating. But then again "The Sabbath was only prescribed for those who differed concerning it, and verily, your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection about what they differed over." An-Nahl 16:124 could just mean the prescriptions/restrictions on this day are punishment because they differed from Musa, alayhi salam, 's designation of Friday as the Day of Gathering; but the Jews understand the Sabbath as pleasure, a hint of paradise, and not punishment. Or, 'Those who differed' could be referring to the Christians, differing from the Jews, in the case of Sunday versus Saturday. But Sunday wasn't really prescribed for the Christians, they chose it for themselves. But it is most likely not the Christians being referred to in this ayat, as the last people referred to were the Jews (16:118). Muhammad Umar was down for anything, ready to jump the gun, "You want I should displace his head, Rasool Allah?" Assassinations Abu Afak Asma bint Marwan Ka'b bin al-Ashraf Wives Making Widows and Marrying them, killing their fathers. (specifically, Safiyyah bint Huyayy) marriage Aisha @ 6, consummates at 9. 9/11/13 wives. all having a turn in one night; and they say they were just for political ties. Pictures Pictures and Dogs deprives houses of Angels of Mercy (Malaikat Ar-Rahmah). What of an apartment in a building? Do pictures or dogs in other parts of the building prevent angels from entering the apartment? What of the building of the Masjid? Do I.D. cards and money prevent the angels? What of pictures we cannot see, the likes of that found in
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Brilliant , outstanding i bet

Brilliant , outstanding i bet no muslim can answer dis artical its awsomeeeeeeee ... by da way r u frm pakistan ???/


i lived most of my life in

i lived most of my life in the old city of jerusalem and i know very well where is juhannam is located,in a small village called SILWAN in arabic ,the romans directed all the city sewage to be dumped in that valley the stench was overwhelming,beside burning garbage,yes the writer is correct about the term hell-juhannam.there is so many funny stories in the Quraan,like muhammad spliting the moon into two halves as a WEDDING gift to 6 years old AISHA,i added the gift as a joke ,please no hard feelings muslims,o.k i am an infidel coz i use my mind and you are not allowed.any person gets upset when a muslim calls you a kafer-infidel,you should take it as a badge of honor for using your mind,you know islam is for morons only trade marketed.another funny movie is when MOE flew from mecca to jerusalem on his private jet 666 the white winged horse,my question to MOE is why did you tie him up? were you afraid that he will fly away,that horse{buraq}belonged to AIR ALLAH TRANSPORTION FLEET,you allah woul,ve send you another on if you were afraid to get stuck in my jerusalem,thank,s he did not step a foot in the city,proof that AISHA said he did not leave my bed side ,most likely MOE smoked that night to much hasheesh,i wish that moses did not interfere,when allah demanded from all muslims to pray 50 tihes a day ,untill allah reduced it to 5 times a day ,other wise muslims will be busy praying only imagine 50 times a day ,no sex=less muslims walking on this planet,no bomb makers,but the sad reality they are here multiplying like rabbits


Great point about hellfire.

Great point about hellfire. I am so glad someone has found out that the subject of hellfire was made up. It was just a place where waste was put and hellfire is a thing to scare people into coming to church or the the mosque. God of the Bible says hell is the grave where no thoughts are had. Nothing, we are dust. God is not evil.


The notions of eternal shame,

The notions of eternal shame, loneliness or punishment are present both in Ancient and New Testament :

Esaïe 33-14
The sinners in Zion are terrified;
trembling grips the godless:
\Who of us can dwell with the consuming fire?
Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning?\

Ezechiel 24
\ 'Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says:
\ 'Woe to the city of bloodshed!
I, too, will pile the wood high.
10 So heap on the wood
and kindle the fire.
Cook the meat well,
mixing in the spices;
and let the bones be charred.
11 Then set the empty pot on the coals
till it becomes hot and its copper glows
so its impurities may be melted
and its deposit burned away.
12 It has frustrated all efforts;
its heavy deposit has not been removed,
not even by fire.
13 \ 'Now your impurity is lewdness. Because I tried to cleanse you but you would not be cleansed from your impurity, you will not be clean again until my wrath against you has subsided.
14 \ 'I the LORD have spoken. The time has come for me to act. I will not hold back; I will not have pity, nor will I relent. You will be judged according to your conduct and your actions, declares the Sovereign LORD.' \

Ezechiel 26-20
20 then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below, as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you will not return or take your place [b] in the land of the living. 21 I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign LORD.\

Daniel 12:2
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

Mathieu 18:8
If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.
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All I have to say to this

All I have to say to this is........ There SHALL always be enemy of PROGRESS.....but i know nothing could come out of nothing but nothing.


Demented cretinoid moslems

Demented cretinoid moslems can not be expected to answer this article.Allah has ordered moslems not to ask too many questions.Allah has told his demented,retarded,cretinoid, moslems ( though when you say moslem it means demented, retarded, cretinoid, stupid, idiotic, silly, braindead, zombie, very very low IQ chap, etc all combined) not to think at all and moslems have stopped thinkong for 1400 years. I just pity those pathetic fellows. The trouble is these brain dead chappys will cause mayhem


Daoudah Comment ID #28366

Daoudah
Comment ID #28366 SAY:

"The notions of eternal shame, loneliness or punishment are present both in Ancient and New Testament :"

I say:
Look up in the Hebrew or Greek scriptrures. There is not a SINGLE word that can be used as ETERNAL. NONE! Nowhere in the Hebrew or Greek does God speak of ETERNAL torment. The English translators are also now realising this error and and are slowly but surely changing the newer translations to as close to the Hebrew and Greek .There will be punishment, but it wil NOT be ETERNAL.

How can the scritptures say "GOD is love" and yet He will burn mankind in HELL for eternity? That is a contradiction. I love my kids, but when they do wrong I punish them, but not for the rest of there lives. Jesus said that we must forgive our brother 70 x 7 (do not take this literal muslims please, read between the lines). How much more will God not forgive us?


I find the notion that ANYONE

I find the notion that ANYONE in the 19th century was capable of producing something like the Book of Mormon to be implausible. The book is simply too linguistically, geographically, culturally, militarily, and theologically complex for Joseph Smith, or indeed anyone alive in the 19th century to come up with.

So you can posit an evil spirit produced it, I guess. But then how do you explain the good content in the book?

If you are interested in the topic, a Mormon scholar gave a recent presentation (kinda long) on the authenticity of the Book of Mormon recorded to YouTube. You can find the links here:

http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Evidences

And incidentally, from a Mormon perspective, I have absolutely no problem with the Koran having a divine origin.


The author, Awais, seems to

The author, Awais, seems to be making many very good points here. But ,,,,

I can't really get most of them because of the way the essay is written. It seems to be like a random series of notes. Nothing is explained and it seems to suddenly jump from one point to the next without any warning.

Come on, Awais. You obviously have some great things to say and I wanna hear them. Please make it a little easier for us ,,, thanks


g-blade, I'm not convinced.

g-blade, I'm not convinced. Can you give some quotes?

Seth-R. How can two opposite doctrines be right? Certainly, Coran is right.


DAOUDAH Are you still alive?

DAOUDAH

Are you still alive?


Santiago : Yes, but how long

Santiago : Yes, but how long for....?


The Article Writer

The Article Writer states:

"Where is Muhammad’s name in the Torah, or in the Injeel (Gospel/Evangel)? the position of Muslims is best summed “The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence”, that is to say, just because we can’t find it, doesn’t mean it isn’t there! Maimonides says the same..."

I say:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Old Testament:

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

1.
MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

i)
Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

ii)
Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

iii)
Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)

Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

Words in the mouth:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

[Deuteronomy 18:18]

iv)
Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

v)
Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

iv)
Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

2.
It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

3.
Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

4.
prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."

In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:

Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:

"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "

All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

1.
John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

2.
Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

3.
Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter. Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

4.
Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.

If you want I can also provide you answers for the rest of your red herrings in your article. But I think this is enough to shut you up for the time being.

Have a nice day Mr Awais


Kabirlaw Comment ID #28645

Kabirlaw
Comment ID #28645 SAY:

"If you want I can also provide you answers for the rest of your red herrings in your article"

I say:
All that you have written down is a lot of gobbledygook. You WISH your profit was mentioned in the old and new testament scriptures.


To Gblade Read my response

To Gblade

Read my response again. I am sure you are quite aware that it is NOT gobbledygook. Alternatively try applying those same passages to another religious figure and see if the prophecies fit.

Truth hurts. Especially if you are on the side of FFI. Have a nice life.


And oh yeah. Even if

And oh yeah.

Even if Muhammad was not mentioned in the above books. I would still believe in Muhammad's Prophethood based on logic alone. So, I couldn't care less about descriptions in the OT or NT but it just so happens that he is mentioned unless you prove to me otherwise. But I won't hold my breath!


What makes Muslims believe

What makes Muslims believe that the Quran is not written by Prophet Muhammad? Does the Quran claim that it is from God? Could the Prophet have copied some portions of the Bible? Are there scientific facts in the Quran?

Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad is not the author of the Quran. God is its Author. The following points bear the fact:

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First of all, the Quran itself, at a number of places and in different ways, says that it is from God. One of the claims runs thus: "This is indeed a Quran most honourable, a Book well-guarded...a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds." (Quran 56:77-80)

(Here, one ought to know the features of the Quran to understand the claim better. For instance, if the Quran had consisted of a number of books, and each book was made up of a number of chapters, then each of the books had to claim that it was from God in order to render the WHOLE volume as coming from God. But, this is fortunately not so with the Quran. The Quran is just ONE Book made up of 114 chapters. So, if the Quran claims, in any of its chapters, that the Book is from God, then the WHOLE Quran is from God. Yet, the Quran does not make the divine claim only once, but several times in different phrases and in different chapters.)

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If the Prophet had written the Quran _ a Book par excellence _ surely he would have claimed credit for it, but he did not. He could not claim what was not his. Indeed God says: "This Quran is not such as can be produced by anyone other than God." (10:37)

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The Prophet was unlettered. However, even if he was educated and had written the Quran, how could he be bold enough to make this statement: "Do they not consider (ponder over) the Quran (with care)? Had it been from other than God, they would surely have found therein discrepancies". (4:82)

Abdullah Yusuf Ali, commenting on this verse (verse 4:82) in his English translation of the Quran, says: "From a mere human point of view, we should have expected much discrepancy, because (1) Prophet Muhammad who promulgated it was not a learned man or philosopher, (2) it was promulgated at various times and in various circumstances, and (3) it is addressed to all grades of mankind. Yet, when properly understood, its various pieces fit together better than a jigsaw puzzle even when arranged without any regard to chronological order. There was just the One Inspirer and one inspired."

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The Quran took 23 years to complete. Had the verses of the Quran (which contains 6,666 verses) been written by the Prophet, he would have needed a number of drafts and the work would have needed editing, updating, etc. But this did not happen, yet the information is consistent throughout the Quran. The verses were taken down as dictated by the Prophet only once and no redrafting, editing or updating took place after that.

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At a number of stages during the 23-year period, challenges to reproduce, even a chapter of the Quran, were made. If the Prophet had written the Quran, he would not have made the challenges, for fear that the learned

Arabs and eminent poets of his time would have taken up his challenges and shamed him. One of the challenges goes thus: "And if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed (from time to time) to Our servant (Muhammad), then produce a chapter like thereunto..." (2:23)

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The Quran says that the Prophet was not learned.

So, if the Prophet was educated in some institution but mentioned in the Quran that he wasn't, he would have been accused of being a liar and his mission would have fallen through.

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Even if the Prophet was learned, how could he have written such an inimitable Book of Information and Wisdom without resorting to consultation with prominent scholars and the best books from the best libraries in the world?! If he did this, it would surely have been known, since every move he made was known to people. The Prophet was a historical figure, not a mythological figure.

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The Prophet was the busiest and most active person in history. So, how could he have found the time to write (even if he were educated) such a comprehensive and extensive Book of Guidance which would have needed years of seclusion and concentration to complete?

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In the Quran, in Chapter 111, it is mentioned that Abu Lahab, one of the Prophet's uncles who was always against Islam, would never accept Islam. This Revelation came some ten years before the death of Abu Lahab. How could the Prophet have dared to write this chapter because all he (Abu Lahab) needed to do to prove that the Quran was not the Words of God, was to accept Islam dishonestly?

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The Prophet was mentioned by name in the Quran only five times whereas Jesus Christ's name was (honourably) mentioned 25 times. Could the Prophet go to such an extent of honouring someone more than himself if he had written the Quran?

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There is a chapter in the Quran entitled and dedicated to "Mary", the mother of Jesus Christ, while there is no chapter called, or dedicated to, the Prophet's own mother, Aminah, or daughter, Fatimah, nor were their names mentioned in the Quran. Could this have happened if the Prophet was the author of the Quran?

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Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, is glorified in the Quran as a "woman of all nations". Why would the Prophet glorify a woman he had never seen and one from another race, saying that she was chosen (by God) above all women unless the formulation of the verses had nothing to do with the Prophet's own authorship but that he only repeated what was inspired to him by God?

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In the Quran, God is called "Allah" (in Arabic). He is also referred to by His Attributes, like the Cherisher, the Merciful, the Almighty. There are 99 such Attributes but none of these is "Abba" (Father) by which the Arab Christians of the Prophet's time (and even today) refer to God. If the Prophet was the writer of the Quran, he would surely have used "Abba" as one of the names for God because of its familiarity and also because it was easier to say "Abba" than many of the Attributes.

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Although the Quran's objective is basically religious, it does touch on certain principles and laws governing the universe. A French scientist, Maurice Bucaille, in his book, "The Bible, the Quran and Science", says: "What initially strikes the reader confronted for the first time with a text of this kind (the Quran) is the sheer abundance of subjects discussed: the Creation, astronomy, the explanation of certain matters concerning the earth, and the animal and vegetable kingdoms, human reproduction ...I could not find a single error in the Quran. I had to stop and ask myself: if a man was the author of the Quran, how could he have written facts in the 7th Century AD that today are shown to be in keeping with modern scientific knowledge?''

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The Quran mentions a number of scientific facts which were unknown to the world then. Some of them are:

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The moon has no light of its own and that what we see is the reflected light of the sun. (91:1-2),

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The universe came about by a "big bang" or disintegration billions of years ago. (21:30),

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Every living thing began in water. (continuation of 21:30),

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Stages of reproduction of a life in the womb.(22:5),

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Every living thing, including vegetable matter, is created in pairs (male and female). (36:36),

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All celestial body (namely, moon and planets) have their own course of orbit. (7:54 and 21:33),

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Space travel is possible. (55:33), and

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There is also life (in whatever form) in other parts of the universe. (42:29).

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All these scientific facts were discovered only in the last couple of centuries whereas the Quran mentions them 14 centuries ago. How could the Prophet, even if he were educated, have known these fact centuries ahead of recent times?

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Learned Arabs and other experts in the Arabic language acknowledge that the style, diction and rendering in the Quran far excels those in the Hadith. Those in the Quran are inimitable, proving that the Quran is authored by God.

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Umar, later to become Caliph, had wanted to kill the Prophet because of his (Islamic) teachings. One day, Umar heard his sister reading something _ the sound, diction and meaning of which made him halt to listen. His sister, who had secretly converted to Islam, was reading (part of) the Quran. Umar realised that the Words he was listening to could not be the words of man. He submitted to Islam soon after.

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The Quran says: "If the whole of mankind and jinns (spirits) were to come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof even if backed up by each other with help and support." (17:88) This is a bold statement indeed. If the Prophet had written the Quran, would he as a human being, dare make such an explosive statement? Would this statement go unchallenged by the learned Arabs of his time?

Prophet Muhammad, being an unlettered person, could not have written the Quran, a Book full of wisdom and one dealing with varied subject matters. The Quran categorically states: "This Quran is not such as can be produced by anyone other than God. (It is a Book) from the Lord of the Worlds." (10:37)

Why do Muslims refer to the Quran as a living miracle?

Many of God's Prophets in the past had performed miracles either to prove that they were sent by God or to help people to achieve certain goals. However, as these miracles were for certain people of the time of the respective Prophets, they are neither tangible nor available today as a living proof. But the Quran is. It is a miracle by itself. When people asked Prophet Muhammad what miracle he had performed, the Prophet pointed to the Quran.

Muslims regard the Quran as a living miracle because, among other reasons, it:

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Is a Book par excellence in the provision of complete guidance for this life and the Hereafter,
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Is available in the language (Arabic) as revealed to the Prophet,
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Is inimitable in diction, sound and rendering,
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Is accurate in its presentation of facts,
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Has remained pure (without interpolation),
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Has no contradiction or inconsistencies,
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Has influenced the lives of people, and
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Is responsible for the speedy spread of Islam, even now.

With regard to the Quran being a miracle from the point of view of its influence on people, Maulana Muhammad Ali in his book, "The Religion of Islam", says: "The Quran is a miracle because it brought about the greatest transformation that the world has ever witnessed _ a transformation of the individual, of the family, of the society, of the nation, of the country, an awakening material as well as moral, intellectual and spiritual. It produced an effect, a hundred thousand times greater than that of any other miracle recorded of any Prophet; hence, its claim to be the greatest of all miracles is uncontestable and uncontested."

Researches on the Quran have been made throughout these 14 centuries. More particularly, in recent years, in the wake of religious enquiries, Quranic scholars, scientists and mathematicians have each, in their own way and knowledge, discovered that the factual contents of the Quran as well as the arrangement of its Words and text point to the fact that the Quran is indeed the living miracle of Islam.
Why do Muslims refer to the Quran as a living miracle?

Many of God's Prophets in the past had performed miracles either to prove that they were sent by God or to help people to achieve certain goals. However, as these miracles were for certain people of the time of the respective Prophets, they are neither tangible nor available today as a living proof. But the Quran is. It is a miracle by itself. When people asked Prophet Muhammad what miracle he had performed, the Prophet pointed to the Quran.

Muslims regard the Quran as a living miracle because, among other reasons, it:

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Is a Book par excellence in the provision of complete guidance for this life and the Hereafter,
*

Is available in the language (Arabic) as revealed to the Prophet,
*

Is inimitable in diction, sound and rendering,
*

Is accurate in its presentation of facts,
*

Has remained pure (without interpolation),
*

Has no contradiction or inconsistencies,
*

Has influenced the lives of people, and
*

Is responsible for the speedy spread of Islam, even now.

With regard to the Quran being a miracle from the point of view of its influence on people, Maulana Muhammad Ali in his book, "The Religion of Islam", says: "The Quran is a miracle because it brought about the greatest transformation that the world has ever witnessed _ a transformation of the individual, of the family, of the society, of the nation, of the country, an awakening material as well as moral, intellectual and spiritual. It produced an effect, a hundred thousand times greater than that of any other miracle recorded of any Prophet; hence, its claim to be the greatest of all miracles is uncontestable and uncontested."

Researches on the Quran have been made throughout these 14 centuries. More particularly, in recent years, in the wake of religious enquiries, Quranic scholars, scientists and mathematicians have each, in their own way and knowledge, discovered that the factual contents of the Quran as well as the arrangement of its Words and text point to the fact that the Quran is indeed the living miracle of Islam.
Why do Muslims refer to the Quran as a living miracle?

Many of God's Prophets in the past had performed miracles either to prove that they were sent by God or to help people to achieve certain goals. However, as these miracles were for certain people of the time of the respective Prophets, they are neither tangible nor available today as a living proof. But the Quran is. It is a miracle by itself. When people asked Prophet Muhammad what miracle he had performed, the Prophet pointed to the Quran.

Muslims regard the Quran as a living miracle because, among other reasons, it:

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Is a Book par excellence in the provision of complete guidance for this life and the Hereafter,
*

Is available in the language (Arabic) as revealed to the Prophet,
*

Is inimitable in diction, sound and rendering,
*

Is accurate in its presentation of facts,
*

Has remained pure (without interpolation),
*

Has no contradiction or inconsistencies,
*

Has influenced the lives of people, and
*

Is responsible for the speedy spread of Islam, even now.

With regard to the Quran being a miracle from the point of view of its influence on people, Maulana Muhammad Ali in his book, "The Religion of Islam", says: "The Quran is a miracle because it brought about the greatest transformation that the world has ever witnessed _ a transformation of the individual, of the family, of the society, of the nation, of the country, an awakening material as well as moral, intellectual and spiritual. It produced an effect, a hundred thousand times greater than that of any other miracle recorded of any Prophet; hence, its claim to be the greatest of all miracles is uncontestable and uncontested."

Researches on the Quran have been made throughout these 14 centuries. More particularly, in recent years, in the wake of religious enquiries, Quranic scholars, scientists and mathematicians have each, in their own way and knowledge, discovered that the factual contents of the Quran as well as the arrangement of its Words and text point to the fact that the Quran is indeed the living miracle of Islam.


Kabirlaw Comment ID

Kabirlaw Comment ID #28645
Sorry I don't have time to respons to your post in detail, but here is the worst error you made. You wrote:
"“Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of the Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word ‘Comforter’ is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter. Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos."

Firstly, this is the argument used by Mohammed Deedat in several of his books and by Naik, etc as well.
Given the generally poor level of scholarship this author (Deedat) in particular often shows, that should immediately raise questions as to accuracy of the assertion.

Second the word "Periclytos" bears no resemblance in Greek to "Paraclete" since Greek (unlike Arabic) has written characters for vowels as well as consonents, so it isn't a matter of changing vowel pointing in the 'word' "PRCLT" (btw the final "s" may change depending on usage and I'll take "y" as a vowel).

Third, whilst Homer when he wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey in the CLASSICAL Greek of the 10th century B.C used the word "periclytos", there is absolutely no textual evidence for such a reading. Not one copy of the Gospel of John, from the oldest Greek copy of 200 AD until now shows "periclytos" in place of "paracletos". There is not one instance where this word, or any of the other members of its word group, are used in the KOINE Greek of the New Testament or the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament.
Even those manuscripts where the word has suffered partial destruction have sufficient remaining to show that the word is "paraclete".

Thus there is neither textual or linguistic support for "periclytos".

Now I know that this will not deter you, Kabirlaw, for since the Koran says Jesus prophecied Mohammed, in your eyes he MUST have done so.
Therefore, I quite understand the "pious fraud" nature of this assertion and the muslim need to maintain it, despite all evidence to the contrary.
But is rather amusing (in a sad sort of way) to hear muslims claiming, with horror in their voices, that "Christians have altered their Bible" when Muslims are doing just that.

As a final point, Kabirlaw (Comment ID #28693), I'm sure that if I came with a varient reading of the Koran you would ask me for proof, so the onus is on you to prove that "Periclytos" was present before "Paraclete" and thus was used PRIOR to 200AD.


Mr. Frank how old is Islam?

Mr. Frank how old is Islam? 1000 years? 1500 years or at the most 2000 years? Do you know that the scientific facts of the Quran (which you are telling us is written by God himself) were known to humanity before existence of Islam? Mr. Frank all these facts were already mentioned in Rig-Veda (Oldest Book of the world) aroun 1400 BCE..... Mohammad(Peace Be Upon Him) came in 7th Centuary AD.

Rigveda

The Rigveda Samhita is the oldest significant existent Indian text. It is a collection of 1,028 Vedic Sanskrit hymns and 10,600 verses in all, organized into ten books (Sanskrit: mandalas). The hymns are dedicated to Rigvedic deities.
The books were composed by poets from different priestly groups over a period of some 500 years, which Avari dates as 1400 BCE to 900 BCE, if not earlier According to Max Müller, based on internal evidence (philological and linguistic), the Rigveda was composed roughly between 1700–1100 BCE (the early Vedic period Vedic period n the Punjab region of the Indian subcontinent Indian subcontinent. Michael Witzel believes that the Rig Veda must have been composed more or less in the period 1450-1350 BCE, in the Greater Panjab, before the onset of the Iron Age.

There are strong linguistic and cultural similarities between the Rigveda and the early Iranian Avesta deriving from the Proto-Indo-Iranian times, often associated with the Andronovo culture Andronovo culture
the earliest horse-drawn chariots were found at Andronovo sites in the Sintashta-Petrovka cultural area near the Ural mountains Ural Mountains and date to ca. 2000 BCE.