My Exchange With Hollywood Filmmaker Kamran Pasha Part II
Submitted by Christopher Logan on Sun, 05/10/2009 - 07:03
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PDF versionYesterday I posted part I of "My Exchange With Hollywood Filmmaker Kamran Pasha". We left off with me pointing out the obvious in my return email to him. Here was my last statement to Pasha.
Muslims who are wanting sharia are just following their religion. There are more than enough Muslims there (Europe) that have no intention of assimilating. So the please do not play the overused victim card. Muslims are constantly telling non-Muslims how to live and what needs to be changed in Europe to suit Islam. So of course non-Muslims are rejecting them. Even Muslims here are acting the same way as in Europe, it is just not as bad yet. Islam and the West do not mix. Domination is what is at the heart of your religion. ChrisIn response Parsha sent me this email where tries to paint me the bad guy for pointing out the problems that Muslim immigration brings to the West. I guess that Parsha would be happier if we quietly surrendered. He also tries to spin out of the fact that Islam allows lying.
Don't worry, I reject the Islam of extremism just like you do. But I just choose to see the incredible beauty within Islam, which you want to ignore. The Sufis say that Islam is a mirror -- you only see in it what is inside yourself. I think your vision of Islam is the same as that of the extremists, because deep down in your heart you also seek to dominate others. So that is all you can find to focus on in the vast corpus of Islamic thought. Perhaps if you studied Rumi and the Sufis you would find that there is an Islam of love that is quite beautiful. But if you don't want to look there, it is because you prefer to have an Islam you can hate. Also, with regard to your claim that Islam permits lying to people of other religions (a popular meme among some anti-Muslim propagandists today), I think this idea has arisen out of a misunderstanding of the Shi'ite notion of "Taqiyyah", which in any event is an idea rejected by the majority Sunnis. I would refer you to the wikipedia page on "Taqiyyah": Taqiyya I know that if I ever lied as a child, my Muslim mother would give me a pretty harsh scolding! God bless you, KamranSo I responded with this.
To be honest there is nothing for a non-Muslim to like about Islam advancing into the West. Your attempt to try and label me as the bad guy was pretty weak. When there is a problem that is what needs to be focused on and the problem is the Islamic dominance that is spreading across the West. You are just saying anything to try and get the focus off of this. As far a the lying goes,....Muhammad said: "Lying is wrong, *except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for **war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people" (Ahmad, 6.459. H). Ahmad was a Sunni scholar. WikiIslamLying Another Islamic scholar said that it was OK for Muslims to lie. By Allah, and Allah willing, if I take an oath and later find something else better than that. then I do what is better and expiate my oath.' " Sahih al-Bukhari Bukhari was also a Sunni. So Islam allows lying. Muhammad admits to lying and encouraged Muslims to do likewise.Now we have seen that Parsha was not being honest with us about Islam allowing lying, just as he was not honest about the situation in Europe with Muslims. Tomorrow I will post the final part in which Parsha continues to avoid fact after fact.
Expecting a Muhammadan to be
Expecting a Muhammadan to be honest about Islam is like expecting a miracle.
Karman Pasha is right! Unless
Karman Pasha is right!
Unless you become a muslim, you cannot understand the LOVE in Islam and islamic way of living. ONLY A MUSLIM can enjoy the love involved in:
thighing an infant (Khomeni theory)
screwing pre-pubescent girls
screwing daughter-in-law
screwing wife's servant
screwing slave women
screwing a teenager the same night after killing her husband
wife beating
screwing wife any time anywhere even on a camel back
All above practised by our beloved model prophet for all muslims.
If non-muslims can't enjoy the Love in Islam it is their problem, dont blame muslims for Allah's ways. Lo! Allah is love personified. Allah-ho-akbar!!!
Does Karman Pasha knows about
Does Karman Pasha knows about this blog? If he would had known then things would be different. I bet that Karman Pasha will refute Christopher Logan on FFI - it is like a piece of cake. How should a reader know that Christopher Logan is not editing Karman Pasha message?
Salaam Karam Pasha (Sir),
Please for sake of our community and ALLAH, I like you to humilate Christopher Logan and show the world true islam. I know you can do it. Furthermore, I suspect Christopher Logan is editing your message. How can you write such a poor reply to Christopher Logan? It is impossible. Waiting for your meaningful refutation.
Allah Hafiz
Wonderful Article
Wonderful Article Chris.
Islam is the biggest liability to earth.
All 'infidels' (non-muslims) must know true face of Islam. Then they will come out of sleep, and start to take actions against such a devil.
All muslim women must know true Islam. It will help them and coming generations to come out of Islam eventually.
World must not take it's eye off the devil, because it it does, it'll cost accordingly.
Thanks again, for such a beautiful article !
'TrueIslamists' may not be happy but , Rest of human race bless you !
Mr. Pasha have an IQ of a 8
Mr. Pasha have an IQ of a 8 years old! I am wondering who could he make films? The discussion here is Islam not sufisim(which is of course a bastard offspring of Islam).Secondly, he talk about mirror senerio which is in other words "My way or highway".I made this coffee table..if you like it you are a good guy and if not you are a bad guy.This is a message Mr. Pasha try to deliver here.His all arguments so far are subjective which is obviously a logical fallacy in a debate or in a discussion.If anybody choose to debate about Islam, only two things we have Quran and Hadis and nothing else what joe,peter micheal,Javaid or Malik says.The people who believe on sufisim are living in a fools paradise which is located on a fantasy Island.Sufis sugar coat Islam which means put a mask of Britiney Spears on the face of Osama Bin Ladin.
Words themselve tells the honesty of a speaker.You don't have to be a Psychic to understand that.In this case Mr. Pasha is a liar and a deciever!!
BlackPanther
Sina YOUR WRONG! Quote all
Sina YOUR WRONG!
Quote all the hadith you want. NO ONE is gonna buy it! WHY?
because of the nature of hadith themselves! They are what ppl REMEMBERED Muhammad as saying years after the fact. As such they sometimes contradict themselves. As such, hadith to a Muslim is relevant only until it doesn't go against the quran, the moral sense we are all born with.
YOU NEED ISLAM for DUMMIES