Liberal Peaceful Islam - II

"You know Jews and Christians continue to belive their resligions despite the fact that there are a lot of anti-human and non-scientific verses in Old and New Testament. They just believe that these are corrupted verses."

Ever heard of the reformation?

After removing the corrupted and bad verses in qrand what is left over is just about good for wiping the back side after a quick crapping! A bit like short and long flush.Atta boy way to go.At least you have realised that there are bad and corrupted verses in qrand unlike many other moslems here speaking the truth in qrand.
There are moslems who are completely unaware of the bad qrandik verses and they think qrand is not evil at all.Generally these people also tend to be good at heart people and are assuming islam is as good as what they practice. I would say 60% or so Moslems
There are some scum bags who are aware and want to practice what is in qrand.these need to be vapourised type. 10% or so moslems
Then there are taqiya specialists.They are quite aware of the filth in qrand but keep peddling the islam is peace crap and wait for their turn to smite the kafirs in the neck 25% or soThen there are ex moslems who want islam to end as they are quite awakened.This is around 5%

if you can remove 'one' verse, why dont 'all' verse?
muslim imams and other radicals thats why kill anyone who question any verses.
Actually many muslims ignore many violent verses and have there own personal favour of certain verses, thats why we dont find all muslims 'terrorists'. Only when a muslim takes all verses seriously, he becomes radical, have beard, wear skull cap, force his wive/s hijab and tries to harm non-muslims.. luckily only 20 % are serious muslims and dangerous.
The only solution I found that is take all religions like christianity, judaism,hinduism, buddhism, sikhism, bahai etc and take out common moral guidance and good teachings. Like 'live and let live' etc.
The denominator of all moral and human teachings will be enough to guide us. Dividing humans as infidels, heathens etc is poisonous and should be done away with.

Mr. Hussein's days as a Muslim are numbered, on a second though, the chap is no longer a Muslim provided he believes there are evils in the Quran, unless ofcourse if it is all taqiyya.

"You know religion is our need because without it we will feel helpless and empty. "

This liberal muslim has got a certain point. Without religion He will be an Atheist which is obviously a hopeless lifestyle. But I can advise this man about one thing that many Muslims by birth are unfortunate to understand.

You can believe in God without joining an organized religion. You can say I'm not going to believe in god of Muhammad, or god of the Old Testament or god of the New Testament, if you have any objective grounds supporting your case. And you may have to add, I am going to believe in God who unleashed this beautiful Universe, who gives me life, who is going to help me when in trouble, who is going to enable me see life after I am dead, but again, if you have any objective grounds supporting your case.

Joining like-minded social group where you can worship this form of God together may be a difficult part for me to advice. It depends where are you from. If you are in the US you may find your group or you can just be a freelance-God-believer who can intermingle between churches, synagogues, mosques, etc, but at the mental level convinced that Muhammad was not a prophet of God whom you believe.

Admin and others,

We should infact encourage this person who happens to be unfortunate enough to be born in a muslim family.
Hussein is infact a sane guy. He understands that the koran is indefensible. But he is really shitscared from birth that believe in Islam or else Allah (the all-merciful!! ) will torture in hell forever.
That some muslim admits that the Koran is atleast partially incorrect is credible.

A small ray of light is often enough to show way to a person groping in darkness, provided he can follow that light. Hussein brother, please follow the light that is FFI and you will soon be free

There is no such thing as hell-fire, just hell, sheol, hades or dirt. Burning hell is a lie made up from Satan to degrade God. This was done to demean a loving god. no sane god burned people forever, and the Bible said in hell you know nothingm feel nothing Eccl. 9.
so much for the greatest liar allah sura 3:54

Next, Rev 20:14 says death and hell are burned up.

You cannot take evil out of Islam.
Islam is evil.
Muhammad invented Islam for one purpose only & that was to justify his rapes,murders,robberies & other atrocities.
If you take the evil out of Islam then you are left with nothing.

To santiago;
This in reply to Comment ID #26111
October 8, 2009 • 5:44 pm .

----You stated ["You cannot take evil out of Islam Islam is evil. Muhammad invented Islam for one purpose only & that was to justify his rapes, murders, robberies & other atrocities. If you take the evil out of Islam then you are left with nothing."]

++ ++ Let me refresh your memory about the assaults on Christian minors (ages 4 to 13) by more than 60 priests since 1967, and the cover up of this horrific abuse by Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua and Cardinal John Krol? How about the pastoral sexual infidelities, such as Jimmy Lee Swaggart, of the Assemblies of God Church, publicly admitted to “transgressions” 21 years ago and Rev. Jesse Jackson who came forth to admit that he not only had an extramarital affair, but had also fathered a child, and not to forget Elizabeth Payne, assistant at one of Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s churches, who had an affair with the controversial reverend. This is only to mention a few out of a long list that goes on and on….

++ Evil is rampant in non- Muslim societies. That is a fact. It is hidden very well in these non-Muslim societies. If one has to count the evil events done and exported by non-Muslims societies that would be countless.

To All;

++ How come no one ever talks about the evil, genocide, mascures and atrocities that is done by the Isralis and their supportes to the four million Muslim Palestinians? Any replies?

@The Truth

There's one major difference however. The evil you mention comes from the nature of men, which causes us to sometimes collapse under our instincts. The evil from muslim terrorists and Muhammad came directly from the teachings of Islam itself. I have no deep knowledge about Christianity, so perhaps there are indeed verses that would justify those pedophiles, in which case Christianity is just as monstrous. I'm not raising Christianity above Islam here. But the difference between what you speak about and what we accuse muslims of doing is large.

Also, it's good to see how you yourself state that a few of the people you list ADMITTED their deeds themselves. You never see muslims admitting Muhammad was a pedophile or a murderer.

The evil events done by muslims are just as bad if not worse. Ever since your Prophet's migration to Medina Islam has constantly been fighting and killing people.

@The Truth

What? The media is constantly talking about the atrocities commited by Israelis to Palestinians, however, it's hard to feel sorry for Palestinians. Why? They raise their own children into monsters which have only one goal in life, and that is dying in battle against Jews. Did Palestinians care when they ruined Lebanon? Any sane person can see that much of the agony of the Palestinians was provoked by their own deeds.

To Nameless
This is in reply to Comment ID #26128
October 8, 2009 • 7:08 pm

You stated ["You never see muslims admitting Muhammad was a pedophile or a murderer. "]

++ According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile it states:
“In strictly behavioral contexts, the word “pedophilia” has been used to refer to child sexual abuse itself, also called “pedophilic behavior”.

++ Since the prophet married Aisha legally and a rape or sexual abuse did not occur, your statement about the Prophet Muhammad that he is a pedophille has been proven wrong.

++ In addition, there are some people out there who use and justify the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha for their own sexual desires and they end up raping or hurting the child. Those are called Pedophiles. To the contrary, one can not equate or compare the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha by any other marriage done by someone else with a child. The circumstances are different. No one really knows all the facts about the Prophet marriage to Aisha but Allah. There might be some compelling reasons that no one knows about. However, all the current evidence point to the fact that the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha done no harm to her mentally, physically or anything else. May be it is just another miracle!

Mr. Hussain is saying \the Quran can be corrupted\!

Congratulations, Mr. Hussain!! You have come out of Islam, thus freeing yourself of the guilt that you have been carrying with you thus far!!!

To Nameless
This is in reply to Comment ID #26130
October 8, 2009 • 7:11 pm.

----You stated ["What? The media is constantly talking about the atrocities commited by Israelis to Palestinians, however, it’s hard to feel sorry for Palestinians. Why? They raise their own children into monsters which have only one goal in life, and that is dying in battle against Jews. Did Palestinians care when they ruined Lebanon? Any sane person can see that much of the agony of the Palestinians was provoked by their own deeds."]

++ Because the American Indians were powerless, the American Whiteman took their land and slaughters them. As a result, many of them have become extinct. According to your logic, the American Indians should have not raised their own children into monsters to battle the American Whiteman. Instead, they should have given all their land, submit to the Whiteman and stayed peaceful.

++ What a pathetic logic you have.

To Nameless
This is in reply to Comment ID #26130
October 8, 2009 • 7:11 pm

----You stated ["The evil from muslim terrorists and Muhammad came directly from the teachings of Islam itself."]

The actions of some people calling themselves Muslims is not an indication of the teachings of Islam itself. The link provided by you http://i36.tinypic.com/11ioo4y.png using Venn Diagram shows that the teachings of Islam are independent of the actions of terriorists. True Muslims are on side and terrorists are on the other.

Islam has made the muslims incapable to think rationally, they live in a circle control by koran, hadith and other books. Now the muslims are using the following terms aggressively when debating "The truth", "peaceful", "merciful" etc. The main reason is that Islam is exact opposite to that.
Does we need to call ice cold? or say fire hot? again and again. No those things are obvious.
But muslims are insisting the word "truth", "peaceful" etc as many pious muslims are following islam faithfully and hence killing or harassing innocent non-muslims. In western world even a powerful politician or businessman or priest can be booked and charged with crimes if he is found to do any crime. But in muslim world its next to impossible to charge a mullah etc for crime other than softening the evil of islamism.
Islam is evil , pure and simple and now non-muslims after observing muslim behaviour, there way of life , killings, rape, harassment, sharia laws, reading koran and other filthy books like hadiths are bow clear that Islam is not only evil, parasitic but delusional and mental problem.

"Because the American Indians were powerless, the American Whiteman took their land and slaughters them. As a result, many of them have become extinct. According to your logic, the American Indians should have not raised their own children into monsters to battle the American Whiteman. Instead, they should have given all their land, submit to the Whiteman and stayed peaceful."

WRONG. Many of the American Indians were massacred not by American but European "whitemen" who founded and then immigrated to the US so you can't blame it on the US but rather the European colonial mindset back in the 18th century. Anyhow, according to your logic, if Palestinians are justified in raising their children as monsters to fight an oppressive Israel, then Christians, Hindus , Buddas and Jews are justified in raising their children as monsters to fight imperial Islam that is responsible for the theft of the Christian Middle East (which up to today remains under Muslim occupation), the massacre of Hindus by the Mughal Empire in the 15th century and the massacre of Jews at Banu Quaryzna.

To Intelliboy;
This is in reply to Comment ID #26165
October 8, 2009 • 9:35 pm

You stated [\Islam is evil , pure and simple and now non-muslims after observing muslim behaviour, there way of life , killings, rape, harassment, sharia laws, reading koran and other filthy books like hadiths are bow clear that Islam is not only evil, parasitic but delusional and mental problem.\]

++The actions of some people calling themselves Muslims is not an indication of the teachings of Islam itself. The link provided here http://i36.tinypic.com/11ioo4y.png using Venn diagram shows that the teachings of Islam are independent of the actions of terrorists .True Muslims are on side and terrorists are on the other.

++ You are blaming Islam for the actions of some people or governments who claiming to be Muslims. How can that be a logical argument? Of course it is not.

++ Imagine a Christian, Jew or a non-believer does a horrible act such as rape or murder. Should we assume that this was a result of the teachings of Christianity, Judaism and put the blame on their religion? No one in its logical mind can agree to that false logic.

To Anti-Jihad
This is in reply to Comment ID #26166
October 8, 2009 • 9:35 pm

You stated ["Many of the American Indians were massacred not by American but European “whitemen” who founded and then immigrated to the US so you can’t blame it on the US but rather the European colonial mindset back in the 18th century. Anyhow, according to your logic, if Palestinians are justified in raising their children as monsters to fight an oppressive Israel, then Christians, Hindus , Buddas and Jews are justified in raising their children as monsters to fight imperial Islam that is responsible for the theft of the Christian Middle East (which up to today remains under Muslim occupation), the massacre of Hindus by the Mughal Empire in the 15th century and the massacre of Jews at Banu Quaryzna."]

Call it what you wish. The fact remains is that American Indians were slaughtered because they could not defend themselves. The Palestinians now are being slaughtered by the Israelis because they can't defend themselves. Muslims throughout history were only defending themselves, their beliefs and their land. That is their right.

With the dramatic population increase in Gaza and the West Bank since 1967, you have a very strange definition of slaughtered.

To Nameless;
This in reply to Comment ID #26122
October 8, 2009 • 7:01 pm

—-You stated [" First of all, wikipedia isn’t always a reliable source. The real definition of a pedophile is as follows: “An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.” (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedophile)an adult who is sexually attracted to young children."]

++ We can play the game of defining a pedophle all day long. The true definition of a pedophile is located at http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile

++ If I said “Don’t come to prayers and you are drunk.” and you take the first four words in my statement then say to everyone “The truth” said “Don’t come to prayers “. That is considered a lie and fabrication. You are quote an unrelaible source that have left the part “sexually abused or hurt the child.” from a definition of a Pedophille.

++ A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children and sexually abused or hurt the child.

++ Since the prophet married Aisha legally and a rape or sexual abuse did not occur, your statement about the Prophet Muhammad that he is a pedophille has been proven wrong.

++ In addition, there are some people out there who use and justify the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha for their own sexual desires and they end up raping or hurting the child. Those are called Pedophiles. To the contrary, one can not equate or compare the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha by any other marriage done by someone else with a child. The circumstances are different. No one really knows all the facts about the Prophet marriage to Aisha but Allah. There might be some compelling reasons that no one knows about. However, all the current evidence point to the fact that the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha done no harm to her mentally, physically or anything else. May be it is just another miracle!

The truth
++ Since the prophet married Aisha legally and a rape or sexual abuse did not occur, your statement about the Prophet Muhammad that he is a pedophille has been proven wrong.

Sorry Truth, peadophilia is peadophilia period. Marriage does not change the fact that an underage person had sex with an adult and that is the meaning of peadophilia. You did not prove anybody wrong.

The Truth,

You stated in this thread the following claims:

You: "Evil is rampant in non- Muslim societies. That is a fact."

Answer: Here you make a propagandist statement, Furthermore you suggest that Evil is NOT SO rampant in Muslim societes. Your claims is very vaque and no proof is given, yet you state it as a fact. This is what you accuse Ali Sina of. If you respond by saying that you are able to substantiate what you claim; so can FFI.

You: “How come no one ever talks about the evil, genocide, mascures and atrocities that is done by the Isralis and their supportes to the four million Muslim Palestinians?”

Answer: Here you claim within the question something very vaque, namely that no one ever talks about "the evil ...... until .....Palestinians" . How you very unspecific say it no one anywhere is ever talking about it, but if you mean FFI, than you are wrong. In FFI many times, by Muslims and non-Muslims, is spoken about “the evil, genocide, massacres and atrocities done by Israeli’s + supporters to 4 m. Pals”. But you just did not read enough in FFI. You made a claim which was wrong, you assumed something of which you were ignorant.

You: “The Palestinians now are being slaughtered by the Israelis because they can’t defend themselves.

Answer: You claim here that Palestinians are now being slaughtered by Israeli’s because they can’t defend themselves. Now? When exactly is that? The Gaza war is long since over. Can you specify what according to you the motivation of the Israeli’s was in the Gaza war? Do you not claim here it was only because the Palestinians could not defend themselves (implying that Israeli's kill for no other reason, not even land, because you don't state it) or was it in reaction to years of rocket firing, against which even Egypt had warned HAMAS? You are leaving out valuable information, you are accusing and thus insulting people here, with no proof. It sounds just like the propaganda you accuse FFI of.

You: “Muslims throughout history were only defending themselves, their beliefs and their land.” This is such an outlandish claim, that not even Islam-friendly historians, like Karen Armstrong, John Esposito, can back you up. To name a few aggressive Islamic wars: Conquest of: Syria, Palestina, Egypt, North Africa, Spain, Persia, Afghanistan, much of India. Then the whole of Turkey. Turkish army besieges Vienna after conquering the Balkans”.

Though you react to many posts, you have not reacted to earlier posts of me, where I asked you proof for claims made by you. Furthermore when you react I notice that you often only respond to a part of the post you react to.

Now, you are playing hardball with us, and you have learned me a lot, now practice what you preach and provide proof and logic for your own claims.

To The Truth and All:

(In reply to the comment posted ( Comment ID #26163) on the challenge section):

The Truth:

You said in Comment ID #26163:

[++ We can play the game of defining a pedophile all day long. The true definition of a pedophile is located at http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile as well as other non biased truthful sites.

++ If I said “Don’t come to prayers and you are drunk.” and you take the first four words in my statement then say to everyone “The truth” said “Don’t come to prayers “. That is considered a lie and fabrication. You are quoting an unrelaible source http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedophile that have left the part “sexually abused or hurt the child.” from a definition of a Pedophille.]

You are just a pathetic liar who even does not know what he is talking about. What makes you think that one website is biased and other is not, while all the websites and Wikipedia and other available sources describe the definition of pedophile in the same way. Before providing any link in support of your claim, please care to check it for your sake. You have made fun of yourself in this forum.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile (Legal Dictionary)

pedophilia n. an obsession with children as sex objects.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile (Medical Dictionary)

The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile ( Encyclopedia)

paedophilia (esp US), pedophilia
The condition of being sexually attracted to children ; The children are more often of the opposite sex and are typically 13 years of age or younger

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile (Wikipedia encyclopedia)

Pedophilia or pædophilia is the primary or exclusive sexual attraction by adults to prepubescent youths. A person with this attraction is called a pedophile or paedophile.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedophile

an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile

“In common usage, the term refers to any adult who is sexually attracted to children or who sexually abuses a child”

Mohammad was not only sexually attracted to Aisha but also had sex when she was below 13 years of age. You can not defend prophet from the charges of Pedophile unless you prove that Aisha was more than 13 years of old when prophet had sex with her. Some times back we have a Muslim lady on this forum who claimed that Aisha was 19 years of age when prophet had sex with her. You could also try something like that; you seem to be very good in twisting the facts.

You are just pathetic looser, who keeps coming and embarrassing himself.

Demsci:

He always responds to a part of post and gives his twisted logic. He also did the same with my post.

He is a Born Muslim & a pathetic looser and who is lying about his christian past.

Kafir123, thanks, teammate!

To tell you the "real" truth, I am a little bit afraid of him vanquishing me now with more logic, because he is often very strong, but then I'll learn even more from him, no? And I hope that from now on every single claim from HIM will be just as thoroughly challenged as he does with our comments. By people with better logic than I have, like Nameless, who already did such a great job with providing prime logic. I also intend to indeed read more about logical debating.

To Demsci;
This is in reply to Comment ID #26192
October 9, 2009 • 12:51 am

----You stated [" Though you react to many posts, you have not reacted to earlier posts of me, where I asked you proof for claims made by you. Furthermore when you react I notice that you often only respond to a part of the post you react to."]

++ Me and Mehbish Hossain replied to most of your postings in http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/ . However, you keep saying the same thing over and over again. Any argument needs to be short, precise, direct and to the point. You write too much, go in circles and hardly prove your point or give evidence.

++ Only the most important points in an argument deserve a reply. It is the only logical thing to do.

To Kafir123
This is in reply to Comment ID #26198
October 9, 2009 • 1:10 am

----You stated ["He is a Born Muslim & a pathetic looser and who is lying about his christian past."]

++ Are you now resorting to more name calling and facts fabrication after you have lost the debate with me and Mehbish Hossain at http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/ ? By reading your posting, it sure looks like it.

++ Just take one or two more logic classes. They will do you a lot of good.

@The Truth

Keep the discussions in the comment section where it belongs, the Venn diagram stuff and pedophilia discussions is in another article. Also, funny how at the other article you claim my Venn diagram is wrong and now you are using it yourself to back up your sentiments.

Your comparison to Native Americans and Palestinians make no sense at all and show you have no clue about history. Native Americans aren't extinct because White settlers slaughtered them all. Yes, many of them were killed in wars between Native Americans and White people, however, the main reason why there are so few pure Native Americans left in the world is because they assimilated into the rest of the population. They married and had children with these white settlers. This assimilation, in combination with the casualties of war has greatly lowered the number of Native Americans in America indeed. Also, I don't recall ANYTHING about Native Americans raising their children with the mindset that they should die in battle as they shall be rewarded for doing so when they're barely 5 years old. Yet that is exactly what Palestinians are doing.

Also, you're ridicilous for following the idea that Palestinians are just poor victims of Israeli occupation. Palestinians themselves have been agressors. Lebanon was attacked by the PLO. What the hell did Lebanon ever do against Palestine? Also, it's funny how you keep crying about Palestinians when it were in fact the Arab nations who attacked Israel but fortunately got their asses kicked. Now they're exploiting Palestine to show it to the world as a poor and helpless country that is being terrorized by Israel, when they themselves commit countless of atrocities against Israeli's and even their own people. Palestinians are crying on TV when their children get hit by Israeli bombs and rockets, but these same Palestinians raise their children to blow themselves up against Israeli civilians. These same Palestinians were dancing in the street when the twin towers were attacked. These same Palestinians support Hamas who uses these schools and children as human shields to make it harder for the IDF to use artillery on them without killing innocents. It's the cowardly style of warfare that Palestina maintains that causes so much suffering for them. Palestine caused most of it's suffering itself.

And finally, you again illustrate that you are completely oblivious about history by stating muslims have never attacked anyone and only defended their country and beliefs. This is the most absurd claim ever. Not even Saudi Arabia, where Islam was born, became Islamic through peaceful means. ALL Islamic countries of today where Islamized through warfare with the only exception being Indonesia. Not a single country voluntarily became Islamic, and most countries fought back for years untill they collapsed under the rampage of the jihadist armies. You complain when Israel "occupies" Palestine, but you don't feel any remorse when the early mujahideen forcefully opressed millions under the banner of Islam. You're a hypocrite. You maintain two different standards. When non-muslims are fighting, it is occupying and attacking, and when muslims are fighting it's only because of self defense. Seriously, get a grip. You're blinded by your foolish religion.

To samurai_jack
This is in reply to Comment ID #26190
October 9, 2009 • 12:46 am

You stated ["Sorry Truth, peadophilia is peadophilia period. Marriage does not change the fact that an underage person had sex with an adult and that is the meaning of peadophilia. You did not prove anybody wrong."]

++ You first need to understand logic. If you don't then take a class or two to understand the argument.

++ A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children and sexually abused or hurt the child.

++ Since the prophet married Aisha legally and a rape or sexual abuse did not occur, your statement about the Prophet Muhammad that he is a pedophille has been proven wrong.

++ In addition, there are some people out there who use and justify the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha for their own sexual desires and they end up raping or hurting the child. Those are called Pedophiles. To the contrary, one can not equate or compare the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha by any other marriage done by someone else with a child. The circumstances are different. No one really knows all the facts about the Prophet marriage to Aisha but Allah. There might be some compelling reasons that no one knows about. However, all the current evidence point to the fact that the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha done no harm to her mentally, physically or anything else. May be it is just another miracle!

Twisted Truth:

"++ Since the prophet married Aisha legally and a rape or sexual abuse did not occur, your statement about the Prophet Muhammad that he is a pedophille has been proven wrong."

Truth you are dead wrong, Mohammad was a pedophile. Here is the definition of -pedophile.pe⋅do⋅phile 

 /ˈpidəˌfaɪl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pee-duh-fahyl] Show IPA
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–noun Psychiatry. an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.

To Nameless
This is in reply to Comment ID #26210
October 9, 2009 • 2:06 am

----You stated ["Also, funny how at the other article you claim my Venn diagram is wrong and now you are using it yourself to back up your sentiments."]

++ You were asked to prove or disprove that "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims".

++ You provided the link http://i36.tinypic.com/11ioo4y.png to show your prove for the above statement using Venn diagram. Instead you proved in the link that the teachings of Islam are independent of the actions of terrorists. As the Venn diagram revealed, true Muslims are on side and terrorists are on the other. One could not agree more with that proof and of course I will use in any of my arguments.

++ However, you failed to prove or disprove that "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims". The link http://i36.tinypic.com/11ioo4y.png you provided in your rebottle is logically and mathematically wrong in proving or disproving that "Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims". You need to try harder and find a different proof.

The good atheist
This in reply to Comment ID #26213
October 9, 2009 • 2:23 am .Twisted Truth:

----You stated ["Truth you are dead wrong, Mohammad was a pedophile. Here is the definition of -pedophile.pedophile –noun Psychiatry. an adult who is sexually attracted to young children."]

++ Why should I choose your definition? Is it becuse it is line with your argument? Well, how about this definition http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile

++Your source have left the part “and sexually abused or hurt the child.” from the definition of a Pedophille.

++ A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children and sexually abused or hurt the child.

++ Since the prophet married Aisha legally and a rape or sexual abuse did not occur, your statement about the Prophet Muhammad that he is a pedophille has been proven wrong.

++ In addition, there are some people out there who use and justify the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha for their own sexual desires and they end up raping or hurting the child. Those are called Pedophiles. To the contrary, one can not equate or compare the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha by any other marriage done by someone else with a child. The circumstances are different. No one really knows all the facts about the Prophet marriage to Aisha but Allah. There might be some compelling reasons that no one knows about. However, all the current evidence point to the fact that the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha done no harm to her mentally, physically or anything else. May be it is just another miracle!

The Truth and All:

Reply to Comment ID #26209

You are again in delusion. You just use your twisted Logic based on nothing to prove your point.

Any one can go in the challenge section and read the whole debate or have a look at the Comment ID #25894 and than your response, would be more than enough to prove who is Pathetic Looser.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/

You should take some time off, that would be good for your brain.

Twisted Truth:

—-You stated ["Truth you are dead wrong, Mohammad was a pedophile. Here is the definition of -pedophile.pedophile –noun Psychiatry. an adult who is sexually attracted to young children."]

++ Why should I choose your definition? Is it becuse it is line with your argument? Well, how about this definition http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile

Based on your definition Mohammad was a pedophile also. LOL

When Mohammad had sex with Aiesha, sexual abuse DID take place because she wa a child. Do you think Aiesha said to Mo "Darling, I am horny tonight, lets have passionate sex."
What really happened was Mo asked her to put her dolls away, undressed and penetrated her while she was screaming in pain not knowing what was happening.
Conclusion: Evil Mohammad was a pedophile who should have been executed. People like you who defend pedophiles are sick and belong in jail.

The good atheist
This is in reply to Comment ID #26225
October 9, 2009 • 3:46 am

You stated [" Based on your definition Mohammad was a pedophile also. LOL
When Mohammad had sex with Aiesha, sexual abuse DID take place because she wa a child. Do you think Aiesha said to Mo “Darling, I am horny tonight, lets have passionate sex.”
What really happened was Mo asked her to put her dolls away, undressed and penetrated her while she was screaming in pain not knowing what was happening.
Conclusion: Evil Mohammad was a pedophile who should have been executed. People like you who defend pedophiles are sick and belong in jail."]

++ Again, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile or http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile the definition of pedophile is

++ “In strictly behavioral contexts, the word “pedophilia” has been used to refer to child sexual abuse itself, also called “pedophilic behavior”.

++ Thus, a pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children and sexually abused or hurt the child.

++ Since the prophet married Aisha legally and a rape or sexual abuse did not occur, your statement about the Prophet Muhammad that he is a pedophille has been proven wrong.

++ In addition, there are some people out there who use and justify the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha for their own sexual desires and they end up raping or hurting the child. Those are called Pedophiles. To the contrary, one can not equate or compare the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha by any other marriage done by someone else with a child. The circumstances are different. No one really knows all the facts about the Prophet marriage to Aisha but Allah. There might be some compelling reasons that no one knows about. However, all the current evidence point to the fact that the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha done no harm to her mentally, physically or anything else. May be it is just another miracle!

The Truth:

++ How come no one ever talks about the evil, genocide, mascures and atrocities that is done by the Isralis and their supportes to the four million Muslim Palestinians? Any replies?

I say:

How come no one talks about the fact that nonmuslims are being killed, tortured, harassed, beaten, raped, kidnapped on a daily basis in Muslim countries? How come no one talks about Churches being burned, pastors threatened, Christians being denied educational and job opportunities in Muslim lands? How come no one talks about the genocide Muslims carried out against the Armenians ( who were Christians ) and other religious minorities for hundreds of years? How come no one talks about Palestinian Muslims bombing Israeli towns?

The Truth:

++ Because the American Indians were powerless, the American Whiteman took their land and slaughters them. As a result, many of them have become extinct. According to your logic, the American Indians should have not raised their own children into monsters to battle the American Whiteman. Instead, they should have given all their land, submit to the Whiteman and stayed peaceful.

++ What a pathetic logic you have.

I say:

The Palestinians are not indigenous to Israel. Most of them are descendents of the Muslim invaders who came in the 7th century and the people who were settled in the region through the British Mandate of Palestine. Also there were Indians who did live in peace with the colonists and had friendly relations with them. But I cannot say the about the Palestinians who were fighting with the Jews long before Israel as a state existed.

Also American Indians did not raise their children to fight the colonists.

I woud say hats off to this fellow truth! My reasons for doing so.
He has lots of time to read all the posts and does respond in a fairly decent way though no necessarily rational way.
He does not use swear words and cursings all hall marks of typical moslems.
He has to invent ways to defend the indefensible ie islam.
He is doing his best to show us the kafirs the fragrance of islam though all we can smell and see sh1t.
This is really a tall order indeed.Let us at the least praise him for that.
Piss and sh1t on allah and mohammad

To proudkafir
This is in reply to Comment ID #26255
October 9, 2009 • 5:44 am

----You stated ["I woud say hats off to this fellow truth! My reasons for doing so.
He has lots of time to read all the posts and does respond in a fairly decent way though no necessarily rational way.
He does not use swear words and cursings all hall marks of typical moslems.
He has to invent ways to defend the indefensible ie islam.
He is doing his best to show us the kafirs the fragrance of islam though all we can smell and see sh1t.
This is really a tall order indeed.Let us at the least praise him for that.
Piss and sh1t on allah and mohammad"]

++ You are sure a funny guy. I needed a good laugh and you just made that happen. Can't you try to make your point without ever using a filthy language? Your posts are full of such filthy language. Is that all what you have learned from FFI (Facts Fabrication International) or Ali Sinner? It sure looks so.

The Truth, in response to your post 26208, your response to mine 26192.

You: ++ Only the most important points in an argument deserve a reply. It is the only logical thing to do.

Answer: This can be used against you; who decides what is most important, thereby can excuse him/herself NOT to provide proof after making claims? You made a lot of claims without providing proof, for which I then challenged you. You answered minimally, selectively or not at all, thereby dodging your "duty" to provide proof for your claims. In order to live up to your own high standards, you must either answer my challenges to you or withdraw your unsubstantiated claims or otherwise by necessity be in default and having lost the debate between us. Post 26192 is more than enough for you to answer, but there were others with PRECISE challenges, in responses to unsubstantiated claims made by you.

You are apparently just cherrypicking the parts of posts you feel capable of answering to use as quotes to answer to. But if you are allowed to decide what is most important, so can we in response to Islam. I wander what the observers think of it.

You pretend that it is was enough that you responded to most of my posts. But I am not talking about any such responsibility of you to respond to my posts, but about you throwing around many claims without proof or logic. You have a baglog in a lot of burden of proof.

You violate rules you ask us to follow, you accuse Ali Sina and FFI and visitors of claiming without proof or logic, while doing the same a lot. So you use Double Standards. It invalidates much of your reasoning.

To The Truth,

So are you admitting that though Mohamad was not a "pedophile", he was still sexually attracted towards a 9 year old girl ?
or he married a 9 year old without the intention of having sex with her ?
and his god allah wants his followers to marry and have sex with children because his spokesman did so ?
and that means its not wrong/divinely justified to have sexual feelings towards children ?
please enlighten me how your mind works on this ?

To Kafir123
This is in reply to Comment ID #26196
October 9, 2009 • 1:02 am

You stated ["You are just a pathetic liar who even does not know what he is talking about. What makes you think that one website is biased and other is not, while all the websites, Wikipedia and other available sources describe the definition of pedophile in the same way. Before providing any link in support of your claim, please care to check it for your sake. You have made fun of yourself in this forum.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile (Legal Dictionary)
pedophilia n. an obsession with children as sex objects.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile (Medical Dictionary)
The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile ( Encyclopedia)
paedophilia (esp US), pedophilia
The condition of being sexually attracted to children ; The children are more often of the opposite sex and are typically 13 years of age or younger
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofile (Wikipedia encyclopedia)
Pedophilia or pædophilia is the primary or exclusive sexual attraction by adults to prepubescent youths. A person with this attraction is called a pedophile or paedophile.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedophile
an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile
“In common usage, the term refers to any adult who is sexually attracted to children or who sexually abuses a child”
You are just pathetic looser, who keeps coming and embarrassing himself."]

++ The above mentioned websites are actually one web site. They all copy from each other. The true definition of a Pedophile is:

++ A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children and sexually abused or hurt the child.

++ Since the prophet married Aisha legally and a rape or sexual abuse did not occur, your statement about the Prophet Muhammad that he is a pedophille has been proven wrong.

++ In addition, there are some people out there who use and justify the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha for their own sexual desires and they end up raping or hurting the child. Those are called Pedophiles. To the contrary, one can not equate or compare the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha by any other marriage done by someone else with a child. The circumstances are different. No one really knows all the facts about the Prophet marriage to Aisha but Allah. There might be some compelling reasons that no one knows about. However, all the current evidence point to the fact that the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha done no harm to her mentally, physically or anything else. May be it is just another miracle!

++ There is no doubt in my mind that the marriage of the of prophet to Aisha was in the best of the Muslim nation. FFI (Facts Fabrication International) is a paid organization supported by Anti-Islamic Intelligent agencies world wide for the destruction of Islam. Its purpose is to instigate hatred against Muslims, distorts the picture of Islam and its prophet.

To Zebulin
This is in reply to Comment ID #26273
October 9, 2009 • 8:08 am.

----You stated ["So are you admitting that though Mohamad was not a “pedophile”, he was still sexually attracted towards a 9 year old girl ?
or he married a 9 year old without the intention of having sex with her ?
and his god allah wants his followers to marry and have sex with children because his spokesman did so ?
and that means its not wrong/divinely justified to have sexual feelings towards children ?
please enlighten me how your mind works on this ?"

++ One can not equate or compare the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha by any other marriage done by someone else with a child. The circumstances are different. No one really knows all the facts about the Prophet marriage to Aisha but Allah. There might be some compelling reasons that no one knows about. However, all the current evidence point to the fact that the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha done no harm to her mentally, physically or anything else. May be it is just another miracle!

So arent Mohamadeans supposed to follow his example and encourage child marriages ? Why dont Mohamadeans protest against laws which ban child marriage as it prevents them from emulating their perfect example of a human ? And as allah didnt object, it should be divinely sanctioned as well ? dont you think ?

To Zebulin
This is in reply to Comment ID #26287
October 9, 2009 • 9:17 am .

----You stated ["So arent Mohamadeans supposed to follow his example and encourage child marriages ? Why dont Mohamadeans protest against laws which ban child marriage as it prevents them from emulating their perfect example of a human ? And as allah didnt object, it should be divinely sanctioned as well ? dont you think ?"]

++ That is not always the case. The fact that the prophet married Aisha at young age, that does not mean all Muslims must marry young girls. If the prophet ate eggs, that does not mean I also must eat eggs. If the prophet slept on the floor, that does not mean I must sleep on the floor. If the prophet had a beared that does not mean I should do the same. The Muslims do not need to immitate everything the prophet did in his personal life.

So you follow what he said as a spokesman for his god allah, but not do what he did. maybe it is too embarassing to follow his deeds ?
Dont you think other mohamadeans would disagree with you ? Almost all mohamadeans grow beards, cut their foreskin etc. So arent you being too choosy about what to follow ?