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Twice now, I've heard Wafa Sultan debate Islamic clerics online. Twice, I have heard the latter criticize America or "White Europeans" for the decimation of the indigenous populations of the Americas. I would like to suggest the following to you and Wafa Sultan, should you have a means of contacting her, in this regard.
First, one should acknowledge the fact that indigenous populations in the Americas suffered greatly as a result of the European arrival and conquest. In addition to slavery, forced labor, mass murder, forced Christianization and education, etc., however, one has to acknowledge the role of diseases to which these populations had no immunity, and for which the Europeans initially had no understanding either (biological warfare was practiced once that was figured out). Note that Europeans who colonized southern Africa suffered greatly as they moved north into the tropics because they were not immune to the diseases prevalent in those areas.
HOWEVER, and this is my point, in such debates one must ask this question: Had Muslims "discovered" and colonized the New World, in which there were NO monotheists, how would they have acted?
Certainly, disease would still have decimated millions. Islamic doctrines, on the other hand, would have probably led to the complete extinction of those populations that refused to convert to Islam.
Would the Hopi still dance on the mesas? Would there be sweat lodges? Would the native populations still be able to speak their tribal languages? Would they, as they do now, be able to practice their religions to the extent possible (e.g., no more buffalo hunt).
[If Allah's revelation had been given to all peoples, then presumably there would have been camels in the Americas, and some form of residual if corrupted monotheism. That none of the civilizations had writing, suggests the Islamic view of history is fabricated nonsense.]
We know what Islam prescribes for "polytheists," "animists," "idolaters," "pagans," "infidels," and "unbelievers:" conversion or murder. Therefore, one should push this argument back at the Islamists in these debates and highlight for them the logical consequences of an Islamic conquest of the Americas, given Islam's track record in Africa, Asia, and Europe. One could of course ask them what the proper Islamic modus operandi would have been, and then smack them with the logical consequences.
No doubt, despite their massive suffering, and continued discrimination and social problems, the indigenous peoples are better off having been colonized by Europeans than Muslims. Islamists, of course, won't see it that way, but it is important to highlight the genocide that would have resulted from forced Islamization, which has been the standard MO since the 7th century.
The idolatrous Hindus were killed by the hundreds of thousands during the Islamic conquests of Hind, Sind and Hindustan. Indeed, some sultans made it a point of killing 100,000 Hindus a year as a matter of policy fi sabil Allah. These "Indians" should also be highlighted.
Elias Cross
The cretin who wowed to kill
The cretin who wowed to kill 100000 hindus a year was none other than AurangZeb the God of Moscums and secular bandicoots in india.
the tragedy of people of India is that neither they remeber history ( a serious fault , that would make them repeat the same mistake) nor are they taught history truthfully. This double whammy will result in Islamisation of India and christianisation will have an equal number.They both will destroy the whole world.Becaus e they both are equally evil. Evil has two faces,Christianity is the humble face of this cunning evil and islam is the barbaric face of this evil.
proudkafir Says: "---the
proudkafir Says:
"---the tragedy of people of India is that neither they remeber history ( a serious fault , that would make them repeat the same mistake) nor are they taught history truthfully. This double whammy will result in Islamisation of India and christianisation will have an----"
Now tell us if the GandHi Nehru dynastic rulers of so called democratic, secular India , since the so called independence of India imposed and taught Indian kids a distorted version of History of India, where they call Moscum Akbar/Babar as good rulers and all British bastards( Christians) as Lord blah blah.What kind of History the present day Indians can remember? Do your homework before blaming the poor Indians for their ignorance and pseudo secularism.
Actually, attacking the west
Actually, attacking the west is a logical fallacy. Islamists can't defend what Wafa is saying, so they change the target under scrutiny. However, the author's points should be taken to heart. The Arab masses don't have training in logical analysis, and so, the author's points will be very useful for Wafa Sultan and people like her.
And a note to proudkafir above: You know zilch about Christianity my friend.
May be I know nothing about
May be I know nothing about christianity.What's the basis of your assumption? Why do you think I am not a christian? Assumption is not necessarily truth? Or is it as per Lord?
Please educate me as to which aspect fo christianity you are talking about? Ritual aspect? scriptural aspect? behavioural aspect? Psychological aspect?
If you say I know nothing , you need to at least substantiate your statement? Or may be it's like the sun goes round the earth type of statement? you need to have belief and faith.Lo and behold truth revealed.
Please brother educate the ignorant. Please?
I do not like to call non christians as heathens. Does that make me a nonchristian as well?
I do not believe in holy communion.Does tha make me a heathen?
I do not believe in the violence that christianity teaches. Heathen again?
I do not believe , that I have final truth, just because I have read bible.Does that make me a heathen?
See the easiest thing on this web site is to accuse or abuse people ( probably includes me at times!). What is more difficult is to eruditely argue the point.Now please let me know Sir.The ball is in your court
ProudKafir brother, again
ProudKafir
brother, again your posting shows you know nothing about Christianity. There is nothing violent about Christianity. It is a pacifist religion. If you don't believe me, read the four gospels and see if Jesus taught any violence. There is only two verses in the gospels where he used the word "Sword" and that was for a specific teaching. In any case, from your writing, it is evident your are not a Chrstian, nor do have a Christian background. You just like to think of Christianity as a violent religion when it is not. Violence comes from the old testament. It is not a Christian teaching, and those stories are interpreted even by Jews in certain ways and there is no teachings of violence in Judaism nowadays. In fact, where I live, I have many Jewish colleagues. They are some of the most helpful in serving their community. I have a great admiration, appreciation, and respect for them. So, Mr. Kafir, please stop talking nonsense about Judaism and Christianity. You really don't know their holy texts, their groups/denominations, and how they try to live their lives. I think it would be more productive to keep this site for discussing Islam. You want to talk Christianity or Judaism, there are sites for that. My apology brother if my previous posting gave you the impression I was trying to insult you. This was not the purpose. I just wanted to to ask you not to talk about things you don't know much about. Peace
I won't be responding to any posting regarding this. This site should be dedicated fully to Islam, and Islam alone
I do not believe , that I
I do not believe , that I have final truth, just because I have read bible.Does that make me a heathen?
I have written a reply meant for ibrahim on that subject. It's among the latest comments on Cindy Dry's story.
Ibn Kammuna is right as is Allahmiyan, especially here: India imposed and taught Indian kids a distorted version of History of India, where they call Moscum Akbar/Babar as good rulers and all British bastards( Christians) as Lord blah blah.
brother, again your posting
Mr. Ibn Kammuna,
Can you please explain all the atrocities committed by Catholic church against pagans, Hindus etc. ?
Do you think only gospels are the scriptures of Christianity ?
What about ten commandments ? Why do you think witches and sometimes Jews were burnt in stake ? Why do you think inquisition was imposed on people ?
I think proudkafir was mentioning Christianity only. Jews do NOT bother other people (unless you unnecessarily poke your nose) and so no point in criticizing them.
Watch these videos and tell me if Christianity is NOT a hateful religion.
youtube.com/watch?v=Jmj-_BB6zWY
youtube.com/watch?v=0dmwTuhmfEA (This part clearly shows how much xians hate Hindus, Hinduism.)
youtube.com/watch?v=-z6meEmZRog
continuum, your videos have
continuum,
your videos have been debunked.
A reply to continuum's comment can be found among the latest comments to Cindy Dry's story.
Toshiro, How exactly did you
Toshiro,
How exactly did you debunk the videos, except calling videos as fake, just because there are no uniformed priests in the video...
Don't Muslims also deny terrorist activities and build conspiracy theories when they are exposed...
Why are you so desperately trying to prove the videos as false for silly reasons such as "there are no uniformed priests in the video and hence the whole vidoe is a conspiracy of Hindus"....LOL....
You are pathetic...
Here I will give more on
Here I will give more on Christian bigotry.... There are authors in this site who know Hindi very well and they can conform that what I have said is true... People like Toshiro will again deny this as Hindus cospiring against Christians...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8woHykQgB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICWHHOcYPVw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5v0IGoa10k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmeE_2SDhSw
In the last link, the person explains in Hindi how Hindus were intimidated to step out of local elections through physical attacks and political support from center(Sonia Gandhi). He also lets people know how crosses were erected around every street corner and streets renamed with christian names. Hindus were also threatened if a christian priest comes to their house and refuses to convert.
In the second link a christian church is shown, which is illegally built in a land legally purchased by a Jain community. The evidence for legal purchase in shown in the third link which shows the legal document.
Christians, like muslims, have been scoundrels all along. When Hindus react not able to take anymore of these atrocities, they are blamed for being communalistic and shouted down with labels such as Hindu fundamentalists, militants etc. in newspapers controlled by these minorities
Here I will give more on
Here I will give more on Christian bigotry…. There are authors in this site who know Hindi very well and they can conform that what I have said is true… People like Toshiro will again deny this as Hindus cospiring against Christians…
youtube.com/watch?v=q8woHykQgB8
youtube.com/watch?v=ICWHHOcYPVw
youtube.com/watch?v=u5v0IGoa10k
youtube.com/watch?v=rmeE_2SDhSw
In the last link, the person explains in Hindi how Hindus were intimidated to step out of local elections through physical attacks and political support from center(Sonia Gandhi). He also lets people know how crosses were erected around every street corner and streets renamed with christian names. Hindus were also threatened if a christian priest comes to their house and refuses to convert.
In the second link a christian church is shown, which is illegally built in a land legally purchased by a Jain community. The evidence for legal purchase in shown in the third link which shows the legal document.
Christians, like muslims, have been scoundrels all along. When Hindus react not able to take anymore of these atrocities, they are blamed for being communal and shouted down with labels such as Hindu fundamentalists, militants etc. in newspapers controlled by these minorities.
Mr. Ibn Kammuna, What do you
Mr. Ibn Kammuna,
What do you have to say about Christian bigotry and intolerance ?
hello BROTHER . Ibn
hello BROTHER . Ibn Kammuna,
PLEASE READ THE BELOW FROM GOSPEL OF LUKE
DONT YOU THINK BELOW WORSES COULD TRIGGER VIOLENCE AND BLOOD BATH ...........
Jesus Christ, according to Gospel of Luke [in the New Testament Chapter 12] said:
51 “Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division.
52 “For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three.
53: “Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother.
Final reply. I won't post
Final reply. I won't post other comments on this article
You folks are just ready to attack anyone who says something nice about Christianity or Judaism. It is apparent you folks know very little about Christianity and how to understand certain verses in the Bible. My advice to you all is to go to some Christian websites and talk with others to see how to understand those verses. I actually, believe it or not, do not have time to respond to everyone. You want to argue with someone, it won't be me. Go to Christian sites and ask people there. This site is about Islam and Islam alone. Most of you folks don't know beans about Christianity. This is really abvious from the postings above, and from the questions you raise. I won't be responding to you all here. I suggest you do some readings on Christianity, and go to Christian sites. This site is about Islam and Islam only.
Another thing I like to mention to all reader. This young lady, Cindy, that was kind enough to tell us her story of leaving Islam. If you go back to the postings about her and the comments from many people. Some of those comments attacked her persona. I hope you folks become more sensitive and not hurt people in what you write. It is wonderful enough that she left that evil cult called Islam. But I am sorry to say that many comments were geared to put her down. That is shameful on this site that is supposed to foster tolerance of many beliefs, and encourage people to leave Islam. You have your own beliefs and dogmas just like Cindy does. If you think you don't, be my guest and cast the first stone. Peace to all, including mean Muslims out there.
Dear Ibn Kammuna, I agree
Dear Ibn Kammuna,
I agree personal attacks against Cindy was wrong. I did NOT do that.
Now can you please answer why you think inquisition or witch burning etc. took place under catholic church ? You say you have no time and miss specific points. Do you think only gospels are Christian teaching ? "Intolerance" to other religions is part of Christianity. All you need to see the vast literature demonizing all non-Christian religions and sometimes even imposing violence.
However, I see that you are going to tactfully avoid discussion on ten commandments and rest and its effect on witch burning episodes and demonizing non-Christian religions as Hinduism or Buddhism. Hatred for others is part of Christian teaching. We understand Christian teachings very well, unlike you.
It seems you are the one NOT understanding Christian bigotry. Just like Islam, Christianity too calls non-believers as dirty.... What do you have to say about that ? This explains the virulent hatred Christians preach for Hindus/Buddhists etc. as shown in the videos, which again you avoided.
Young’s Literal Translation (2 Corinthians)
6:14 Become not yoked with others — unbelievers, for what partaking is there to righteousness and lawlessness?
6:17 wherefore, come ye forth out of the midst of them, and be separated, saith the Lord, and an unclean thing do not touch, and I — I will receive you,
John Wesley’s Explanatory Notes:
christnotes.org/commentary.php?com=wes&b=47&c=6
Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers — Christians with Jews or heathens. The apostle particularly speaks of marriage. But the reasons he urges equally hold against any needless intimacy with them.
Touch not the unclean person — Keep at the utmost distance from him.
Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary
christnotes.org/commentary.php?com=mhc&b=47&c=6
We should not join in friendship and acquaintance with wicked men and unbelievers. Though we cannot wholly avoid seeing and hearing, and being with such, yet we should never choose them for friends. We must not defile ourselves by converse with those who defile themselves with sin.
eword.gospelcom.net/comments/2corinthians/mh/2corinthians6.htm
There is a great deal of danger in communicating with unbelievers and idolators, danger of being defiled and of being rejected; therefore the exhortation is (v. 17) to come out from among them, and keep at a due distance, to be separate, as one would avoid the society of those who have the leprosy or the plague, for fear of taking infection, and not to touch the unclean thing, lest we be defiled. Who can touch pitch, and not be defiled by it? We must take care not to defile ourselves by converse with those who defile themselves with sin;
hello ibn Kammuna please
hello ibn Kammuna
please explain about what i wrote from gospel of Luke;
just tell me is that right?
I dont practice any religion and i am very clear about it.
Reason what religion does is
"IT MAKES SOME ONE SUPREME BY MAKING HIM SUPREME
IT DIVIDES PEOPLE"
to make it simple.
Do not blindly follow a religion brother.
I am sure you understand my reasoning!
Continuum, please, you need
Continuum, please, you need to distinguish between Christians doing certain things, and what Christianity proper teaches. By Christinaity proper I mean what Christ taught.
Brother, I really do not have time to debate that. This is a lengthy issue as you can imagine. Christianity was ruined when it became "official" in the third century. What Chrsitians did througout most of their history is not necessarily "Christian". I leave you with this thought brother. Peace
Dear Ibn Kammuna, I see your
Dear Ibn Kammuna,
I see your point on what Jesus taught in some instances, but even he could NOT tolerate those who rejected him and he cursed them to hellish experiences worse than Sodom and Gomorrah.
No wonder Paul himself had such hatred for non-believers, he calls them dirty.
But tell me honestly, you are talking about non-existent version of Christianity. Gospels are NOT the only Christian scripture. You completely neglected "2 Corinthians" which I quoted was responsible for the way Christians act.
I will quote more as to why Christians view Eastern religion followers as devil worshipers. It is part of their doctrine.
As the video shows, why Christians refuse to even communicate with Hindus and call Hindus as devil worshipers...
"But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partaker of the Lord's table, and the table of devils." (2 Corinthians 10:20,21)
"But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat. " (I Corinthians 5:11,13)
I do NOT want to waste your time anymore, but I have my opinion based on facts on almost all sects of Christianity. Protestantism, Catholicism, and even Orthodox churches have virulent hatred for Eastern religions. I am NOT talking just like that, I have evidence on how Eastern religion followers are persecuted by these cultists even in these damn days. These people even persecute Atheists these days....
Looking at other non-Christian religions as demonic and satanic is inherently part of Christian dogma in almost all sects of Christianity. This is NOT some isolated incident, it happened many times all over the world for last 2000 years.
Continuum, I do not know much
Continuum, I do not know much about the background of the first one you mentioned from chapter 10. However, the one from chapter 5 is talking about isolating a member of the Christian community that he can see his/her own faults. it is not talking about non-Christians.
Listen, here is a reformer I have great respect for. I believe his life tells you about the Christianity i am talking about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menno_Simons
there were many like him, but they never got the credit they deserve in the history of Christianity.
take care brother
Allahmiyan, I think you're
Allahmiyan, I think you're pretty wet. How evil was Mother Teresa who practiced Christianity quite well? How evil was St. Francis of Assisi who also practiced Christianity? How evil was John Paul II who also practiced Christianity? If I practiced Christianity would I ever murder, commit adultery, lie, dishonor my parents and anyone in authority? Of course not. Your are one silly person who doesn't understand Christianity.
Madras Guy, what do you thing
Madras Guy, what do you thing Jesus meant when He said he would create "divisions"? Okay, let me explain. Jesus said he would create divisions because He knew that some people would accept his peaceful doctrine, and that others would not accept his peaceful doctrine. Now, do you understand? May God bless you. I'm a very peaceful person. If you're peaceful we'll get along just fine. Don't you think?
Oh crap, here we go again
Oh crap, here we go again with the inane and stupid commentaries from the hateful bigots again.
I would like to add
I would like to add something: Would the indigenous people's of the Americas be allowed to blend their pagan practices with Islamic ones? The Native people's of the Americas blended pagan practices with Christian practices, making their form of Christianity of a unique one. Also there are still witchdoctors in the Americas and they are allowed to practice their form of medicine and divination. Would they be allowed to continue these practices if the Americas were colonized by Muslims instead of Christians?
Continuum, I do not know much
I quoted the verse to show you how serious Christians consider "Idolatry" as equal to sins like fornication etc.... The quote was relevant as Hindus/Buddhists are seen as idolaters... and the way they are treated by Christians....
You are again going to points like isolated events etc... These are NOT isolated events... This is NORM amongst semitic religious followers.... The videos are ONLY samples of what Christians are doing against Eastern religious followers. They do the same thing in Korea and Sri Lanka against Buddhists... all of which are doctrinal dogma of Christianity..
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/pic1/list.html
There are Christian terrorist orgs in North Eastern India funded by baptist Churches.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorism_in_northeast_india.htm
National Liberation Front of Tripura
The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) is a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India. The NLFT were declared a terrorist organization under the Indian Prevention of Terrorism Act in 2002. The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura.
Nagaland Rebels
The Nagaland Rebels is a coalition of rebel groups operating in Nagaland, North-East India. The largest of these is the National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM), which is fighting for the establishment of a "Nagaland for Christ".
Hindu sects in Europe are persecuted by Catholic Church using their influence in politics.
Check the history of Christian terrorism against Eastern religions by Catholic church and protestant churches. Check the huge anti-Eastern religious literature available on the web. This is NORM in most Christian sects.
Continuum, I bet whatever
Continuum,
I bet whatever belief you belong to (community..etc) they'll have violent or terrorist groups in them. You can't generalize that and say Hinduism is bad or ..or... It does not work that way. you need to go the source and build from onward. Same for Christianity my friend. I am sorry that you are judging Christianity by what the rebels of NE India are doing. Please remember what those people are doing is not a practice of Christianity.
The site is rapidly turning
The site is rapidly turning in to anti christian site! How convenient to wriggle out of a focussed arguement. Are the teachings of GOD applicable to
1.One and all whether you have faith or belief? A simple answer is no! Newtotinian laws unlike GOD's laws( supposed to be in Bible and qrand) are applicable to one and all even if you are stupid or intelligent, whether you believe or not whether you have faith or not whether you pray or notfrom the bottom of the heart and whether you listen to the laws from the heart or not. What does that mean?
2.Are GOD's Laws ( supposed to be in Bible and qrand) applicable eternally? Apparently not.Sun just does not go round the earth and does not stop even if GOD himself commands. What does this mean?
3.Are GOD"s laws ( In Bible and qrand if you want) Infallible? Don't be daft.They were spoken to primitive israelites lke don't eat bat the bird.
4.Are GOD' laws( In Bible and qrand if you please) compassionate? YEs indeed but not for all his children like Kafirs and Heathens.The unfortunate thing is Hindus and buddhists come under both the categories.they are kafirs to be killed by moslem allah (GOD!) and for christians, heathens( untouchables of Christian GOD!) to be despised and if need be eliminated.
5.Are all people of this flat earth accepting ALLAH and LORD unquestionably? A flat earth answer is a NO! They are dis obeying the GOD just like the Iblis.What is GOD doing about it? I wonder.
6.HAs GOD (Biblical and qrandic) made laws taking in to consideration all the creatures great and small? Apparently not.
7.Do I question the existence of GOD? Yes but the existence of qrandic and biblical god only.Not the super god above these small gods of small things and ambitions.
Yes I agree I do not know and am not aware that christians are very nice,humble,decent,nonviolent,extremely intelligent,well mannered, polite,god fearing,compassionate ,literate,good looking, follwers of jesus who have never cast a stone, but pagan hating at times jew hating,moslem hating,killing,moronic bandiccoots .Ahh that's got nothing to do with lord' teaching.There we are I feel better.feel like hugging and kissing the biblical and qrandic morons.
Dear Ibn, I know that Jesus
Dear Ibn, I know that Jesus preached good things in the NT and hence I respect good things because we should allow knowledge to come from all sides, be it from pagans, heathens, kaffirs, or atheists. However, if you look at the history of Christianity, it definitely worked as a political movement and destroyed civilization after civilization---all in the name of Christ. I have seen some wonderful articles written by you on this site. When you talk of history, it has to presented and understood in the right angle.
When Christians acted as crusaders and destroyed many civilizations, killed scientists like Galeleo and Survetius, and burnt women by calling them witches, they followed OLD TESTAMENT and applied it literally. For example, you see in Dueteronomy where God (?) commands Christians to utterly destroy the idols of pagans and establish his kingdom. Now you know these verses look naked and stupid. However, when Greek, Roman, Mayan, Aztec, Incas, Buddhist, and Hindu temples were ransacked by these Christian marauders, there was nobody (including the Pope) to tell them of their mistakes. I bet an author of your stature will condemn such verses for sure. Now, if none of the Christians in the west is following such verses, then it means that THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN SUCH OLD BIBLICAL GOD. Do all Christians reject OT and believe in NT? You know very well that those verses are again found in Quran. What I am asserting here is the connection between OT and Quran.
Having said this I have respect for what JC preached. Just like I have studied Quran, I have also studied OT and NT in detail. Now, missionary christians make political use of NT as well. For example, many sects (Catholic, Protestant, Morman, SDA, Anglican) of Xians have tried to convert me, and all of them said the same thing--- that Hindus worship false Gods and will end up in hell eternally. They all said Jesus is the ONLY begotten SON of God, and that no one comes to Father EXCEPT through HIM (this is a verse from NT). One thing is sure: first they condemn your religion and then try to show that their religion is the ONLY virtuous religion on earth. Initially, I used to keep quiet to thwart their ignorance. However, later on I started asking questions like-- If Jesus is the only hope for Heaven, what happened to those who existed prior to Jesus? What will happen to good people (eg. Gandhi) that didn't believe in Jesus? If Jesus is the ONLY begotten SON of God, then what is our relationship with God? You see, they were unable to answer these questions and never came back to me again. However, when there is a sizeable population of Christians (as in North East India), they will convert the remaining mass by hook or crook. I lived in the West for an year or so. Due to stringent laws, at the most they could argue with a non-christian (a heathen) but cannot convert by force.
I hope as a student of history you understand what I have implied here.
I bet whatever belief you
Again,
You are missing the key points...
1. Intolerance in Christianity did NOT occur now and then. This is NOT some isolated incident. Intolerance has consistently been applied by Christians against non-Christians for last 1600 years or more.
2. You pick and choose only gospels while completely neglecting the old testament laws and rest of new testament applied to practice of other religions.
3. You asked me to show from bible, I have already shown that to you that Christians do consider other religions as demonic. This is their doctrinal position. You avoided this point again.
4. You conveniently avoid the history of genocide that Christians have perpetrated against each other (Catholics and Protestants), against Jews, against pagans of Europe etc.
You constantly claim that Christianity abhors violence and yet history and present day events is full of violence committed by Christians against each other and against non-Christians. No honest person can/will make a claim as you do.
Jesus himself says
"And if any one will not receive you in your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town." (Matt. 10:14-15).
If Jesus Himself had such hatred for non-believers, then why should one expect Christians to love non-believers. No wonder Churches burnt witches, Jews, pagans etc. and murdered thousands all through history. You forget the inquisition, crusades against Jews, even Orthodox Christians, etc.
Do you really think that several 1000s of Christians all through history have acted against teachings of Christianity ?
You ignorantly claim that Christianity professes only love and that violence against non-Christians is NOT according to Christianity. Nothing can be further from this truth than this.
Jesus says the following regarding Mosaic laws..... These laws are implemented by state and Jesus openly supports implementation of Mosaic laws, including death sentences for various so called crimes as idolatry, witchcraft etc. as stated in old testament. This is the reason all Churches practiced witch burning, etc.
Now you may quote Jesus' other statements which is confined to personal relationships between two people. These do NOT nullify Mosaic Laws.....
Matthew 5:17-19 (New International Version)
17: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (Jesus approves of iold testament laws here.)
18: I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Jesus says here OT laws are perpetual)
19: Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Here Jesus shows the danger of NOT following OT laws and thus tells Christians to apply OT laws through their state.)
Luke 16:17 (New International Version)
It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law. (Jesus again protests aganst any attempt to invalidate Mosaic laws.)
I should be clear now why Christians ask for death penalty to homos, witchcraft, idolatry etc. This should also make it clear as to why Churches implemented brutal inquisitions and murdered pagans. Despite all these if people like Ibn Kammuna ignorantly claim Christianity is NOT intolerant, they are only fooling themselves, unless one is a Christian in which case he is fooling others.
>>>Toshiro I reiterate again.
>>>Toshiro
I reiterate again. I never said that Christianity is the same as Islam. I never said that Christianity teaches voilece. What I said was that Christians have commited some of the most ghorific acts in the name of Jesus in the past. We have several exaples of forced conversions by Christians too in past. Ivan the Terrible was one of those Christians who had forced the Tartas to convert to the point of his sword. Christians missionaries and not the general Christians, are know trouble creators i various parts of South Asia. India and Sri Lanka are two nations worst hit by the missionary manace. Who the hell told these missionaries that they can come to our land and fool people who have absolutely no idea of what they are getting into. These converts to Christianity are as zealous as their Muslim counterparts. They leave no stone unturned to make fun of the native faiths. Now what you people choose to believe in is none of my buisness. I have no problems if you choose to believe in Jesus or Yaweh or any other God. If you wish to criticize why not critize the Missionaries who openly make fun of the native faiths. The missionary are spread like disease all over the tribal areas in India. They go there in the guise of elevating the poverty of the locals. However their interest remains as long as they secure conversions. Soon as their job is done, they will search a new place to spread their religious beliefs. Unfortunately Toshiro, most people are not able to see the deficiencies amogst their own people. I am not really concerened with what the Bible teaches. I look at the what the Christians do in my land. I am not even concerned with what they do in my country and my region. So Toshiro my opinion of Christians will be based on what I see and what I hear and not what you tell me.
Philip Sanez My dear friend,
Philip Sanez
My dear friend, mother teresa was not really in Indian to eleate the sufferings of the poor. She used to convert each and every orphan that came to her orphanage. Her orphanage ran on native Indian money with ofcourse backing from Rome. There are several hundred's of Hindu and Jain organisations which run orphanages. However they dont go around converting children or changing their religious beliefs.
Those Christians who claim
Those Christians who claim that Christianity is peaceful religion, unlike Islam, need to show how this religion is peaceful with its inherent hatred for other religions right from its birth as a state religion.
History of Christian atrocities.
http://www.stopthereligiousright.org/demolish.htm
From Vlasis Rassias' book "DEMOLISH THEM..", published in Greek, Athens 1994, Diipetes Editions, ISBN 960-85311-3-6)
314 Immediately after its full legalisation, the Christian Church attacks the Gentiles: The Council of Ancyra denounces the worship of Goddess Artemis.
324 Emperor Constantine declares Christianism as the only official Religion of the Roman Empire. In Dydima, Minor Asia, he sacks the Oracle of the God Apollo and tortures the pagan priests to death. He also evicts all the Gentiles from Mt. Athos and destroys all the local Hellenic Temples.
326 Emperor Constantine, following the instructions of his mother Helen, destroys the Temple of the God Asclepius in Aigeai of Cilicia and many Temples of the Goddess Aphrodite in Jerusalem, Aphaca, Mambre, Phoenice, Baalbek, etc.
330 Emperor Constantine steals the treasures and statues of the pagan Temples of Greece to decorate Nova Roma (Constantinople), the new capital of his Empire.
335 Emperor Constantine sacks many pagan Temples of Minor Asia and Palestine and orders the execution by crucifixion of "all magicians and soothsayers". Martyrdom of the neoplatonist philosopher Sopatrus.
341 Emperor Flavius Julius Constantius persecutes "all the soothsayers and the Hellenists". Many Gentile Hellenes are either imprisoned or executed.
346 New large-scale persecutions against the Gentiles in Constantinople. Banishment of the famous orator Libanius accused as... "magician".
353 An edict of Constantius orders the death penalty for all kind of worship through sacrifices and "idols".
354 A new edict orders the closing of all the pagan Temples. Some of them are profaned and turned into brothels or gambling rooms. Executions of pagan priests.
354 A new edict of Constantius orders the destruction of the pagan Temples and the execution of all "idolaters". First burning of libraries in various cities of the Empire. The first lime factories are being organised next to the closed pagan Temples. A major part of the holy architecture of the Gentiles turns to lime.
357 Constantius outlaws all methods of Divination (Astrology not excluded).
359 In Skythopolis, Syria, the Christians organise the first death camps for the torture and executions of the arrested Gentiles from all around the Empire.
361 to 363 Religious tolerance and restoration of the pagan cults declared in Constantinople (11th December 361) by the pagan Emperor Flavius Claudius Julianus.
364 Emperor Flavius Jovianus orders the burning of the Library of Antioch.
364 An Imperial edict (11th September) orders the death penalty for all Gentiles that worship their ancestral Gods or practice Divination ("sileat omnibus perpetuo divinandi curiositas"). Three different edicts (4th February, 9th September, 23rd December) order the confiscation of all properties of the pagan Temples and the death penalty for participation in pagan rituals, even private ones.
365 An Imperial edict (17th November) forbids the Gentile officers of the army to command Christian soldiers.
370 Emperor Valens orders a tremendous persecution of the Gentiles in all the Eastern Empire. In Antioch, among many other Gentiles, the ex-governor Fidustius and the priests Hilarius and Patricius are executed. Tons of books are burnt in the squares of the cities of the Eastern Empire. All the friends of Julianus are persecuted (Orebasius, Sallustius, Pegasius etc.), the philosopher Simonides is burned alive and the philosopher Maximus is decapitated.
372 Emperor Valens orders the governor of Minor Asia to exterminate all the Hellenes and all documents of their wisdom.
373 New prohibition of all Divination methods. The term "pagan" (pagani, villagers) is introduced by the Christians to lessen the Gentiles.
375 The Temple of God Asclepius in Epidaurus, Greece, is closed down by the Christians.
380 On 27th February, Christianism becomes the exclusive Religion of the Roman Empire by an edict of Emperor Flavius Theodosius, requiring that "all the various nations which are subject to our clemency and moderation should continue in the profession of that religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter". The non-Christians are called "loathsome, heretics, stupid and blind". In another edict Theodosius calls "insane" those that do not believe to the Christian God and outlaws all disagreements with the Church dogmas. Ambrosius, bishop of Milan, starts destroying all the pagan Temples of his area. The Christian priests lead the hungry mob against the Temple of Goddess Demeter in Eleusis and try to lynch the hierophants Nestorius and Priskus. The 95 years old hierophant Nestorius ends the Eleusinian Mysteries and announces the predominance of mental darkness over the human race.
381 On 2nd May, Theodosius deprives of all their rights the Christians that return back to the pagan Religion. In all the Eastern Empire the pagan Temples and Libraries are looted or burned down. On 21st December, Theodosius outlaws even the simple visits to the Temples of the Hellenes. In Constantinople, the Temple of Goddess Aphrodite is turned to brothel and the Temples of Sun and Artemis to stables.
384 Emperor Theodosius orders the Praetorian Prefect Maternus Cynegius, a dedicated Christian, to cooperate with the local bishops and destroy the Temples of the Gentiles in Northern Greece and Minor Asia.
385 to 388 Maternus Cynegius, encouraged by his fanatic wife, and bishop ("Saint") Marcellus with his gangs scour the countryside and sack and destroy hundreds of Hellenic Temples, shrines and altars. Among others they destroy the Temple of Edessa, the Cabeireion of Imbros, the Temple of Zeus in Apamea, the Temple of Apollo in Dydima and all the Temples of Palmyra. Thousands of innocent Gentiles from all sides of the Empire suffer martyrdom in the notorious death camps of Skythopolis.
386 Emperor Theodosius outlaws (16th June) the care of the sacked pagan Temples.
388 Public talks on religious subjects are also outlawed by Theodosius. The old orator Libanius sends his famous Epistle "Pro Templis" to Theodosius with the hope that the few remaining Hellenic Temples will be respected and spared.
389 to 390 All non-Christian date-methods are outlawed. Hordes of fanatic hermits from the desert flood the cities of the Middle East and Egypt and destroy statues, altars, Libraries and pagan Temples and lynch the Gentiles. Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, starts heavy persecutions against the Gentiles, turns the Temple of Dionysos into a Christian church, burns down the Mithraeum of the city, destroys the Temple of Zeus and burlesque the pagan priests before they are killed by stoning. The Christian mob profanes the cult images.
391 On 24th February, a new edict of Theodosius prohibits not only visits to pagan Temples but also looking at the vandalised statues. New heavy persecutions all around the Empire. In Alexandria, Egypt, the Gentiles, led by the philosopher Olympius, revolt and after some street fights they lock themselves inside the fortified Temple of God Serapis (The Serapeion). After a violent siege, the Christians take over the building, demolish it, burn its famous Library and profane the cult images.
392 On 8th November, the Emperor Theodosius outlaws all the non-Christian rituals and names them "superstitions of the Gentiles" (gentilicia superstitio). New full scale persecutions against the Gentiles. The Mysteries of Samothrace are ended and the priests slaughtered. In Cyprus the local bishop ("Saint") Epiphanius and "Saint" Tychon destroy almost all the Temples of the island and exterminate thousands of Gentiles. The local Mysteries of Goddess Aphrodite are ended. Theodosius' edict declares: "the ones that won't obey pater Epiphanius have no right to keep living in that island". The Gentiles revolt against the Emperor and the Church in Petra, Aeropolis, Rafia, Gaza, Baalbek and other cities of the Middle East.
393 The Pythian Games, the Aktia Games and the Olympic Games are outlawed as part of the Hellenic "idolatry". The Christians sack the Temples of Olympia.
395 Two new edicts (22nd July and 7th August) cause new persecutions against the Gentiles. Rufinus, the eunuch Prime Minister of Emperor Flavius Arcadius directs the hordes of the baptised Goths (led by Alaric) to the country of the Hellenes. Encouraged by Christian monks the barbarians sack and burn many cities (Dion, Delphi, Megara, Corinth, Pheneos, Argos, Nemea, Lycosoura, Sparta, Messene, Phigaleia, Olympia, etc.), slaughter or enslave innumerable Gentile Hellenes and burn down all the Temples. Among others, they burn down the Eleusinian Sanctuary and burn alive all its priests (including the hierophant of Mithras Hilarius).
396 On 7th December, a new edict by Emperor Arcadius orders that paganism be treated as high treason. Imprisonment of the few remaining pagan priests and hierophants.
397 "Demolish them!". Emperor Flavius Arcadius orders all the still standing pagan Temples to be demolished.
398 The Fourth Church Council of Carthage prohibits to everybody, including to the Christian bishops, the study of the books of the Gentiles. Porphyrius, bishop of Gaza, demolishes almost all the pagan Temples of his city (except 9 of them that remain active).
399 With a new edict (13th July) Emperor Flavius Arcadius orders all the still standing pagan Temples, mainly in the countryside, to be immediately demolished.
400 Bishop Nicetas destroys the Oracle of the God Dionysus in Vesai and baptises all the Gentiles of this area.
401 The Christian mob of Carthage lynches Gentiles and destroys Temples and "idols". In Gaza too, the local bishop (also a.."Saint") Porphyrius sends his followers to lynch Gentiles and to demolish the remaining 9 still active Temples of the city. The 15th Council of Chalkedon orders all the Christians that still keep good relations with their gentile relatives to be excommunicated (even after their death).
405 John Chrysostom sends hordes of gray dressed monks armed with clubs and iron bars to destroy the "idols" in all the cities of Palestine.
406 John Chrysostom collects funds from rich Christian women to financially support the demolition of the Hellenic Temples. In Ephessus he orders the destruction of the famous Temple of Goddess Artemis. In Salamis, Cyprus, the "Saints" Epiphanius and Eutychius continue the persecutions of the Gentiles and the destruction of their Temples and sanctuaries.
407 A new edict outlaws once more all the non-Christian acts of worship.
408 The Emperor of the Western Empire Honorius and the Emperor of the Eastern Empire Arcadius order together all the sculptures of the pagan Temples to be either destroyed or to be taken away. Private ownership of pagan sculpture is also outlawed. The local bishops lead new heavy persecutions against the Gentiles and new book burning. The judges that have pity for the Gentiles are also persecuted. "Saint" Augustine massacres hundreds of protesting pagans in Calama, Algeria.
409 Once again, an edict orders Astrology and all methods of Divination to be punished by death.
415 In Alexandria, Egypt, the Christian mob, urged by the bishop Cyrillus, attacks a few days before the Judaeo-Christian Pascha (Easter) and cuts to pieces the famous and beautiful philosopher Hypatia. The pieces of her body, carried around by the Christian mob through the streets of Alexandria, are finally burned together with her books in a place called Cynaron. On 30th August, new persecutions start against all the pagan priests of North Africa who end their lives either crucified or burned alive.
416 The inquisitor Hypatius, alias "The Sword of God", exterminates the last Gentiles of Bithynia. In Constantinople (7th December) all non-Christian army officers, public employees and judges are dismissed.
423 Emperor Theodosius B declares (8th June) that the Religion of the Gentiles is nothing more than "demon worship" and orders all those who persist in practicing it to be punished by imprisonment and torture.
429 The Temple of Goddess Athena (Parthenon) on the Acropolis of Athens is sacked. The Athenian pagans are persecuted.
435 On 14th November, a new edict by Emperor Theodosius B orders the death penalty for all "heretics" and Gentiles of the Empire. Only Judaism is considered a legal non-Christian Religion.
438 Emperor Theodosius II issues an new edict (31st January) against the Gentiles, incriminating their "idolatry" as the reason of a recent plague (!)
440 to 450 The Christians demolish all the monuments, altars and Temples of Athens, Olympia, and other Greek cities.
448 Theodosius B orders all the non-Christian books to be burned.
450 All the Temples of Aphrodisias (City of Goddess Aphrodite) are demolished and all its Libraries burned down. The city is renamed Stavroupolis (City of the Cross).
451 New edict by Emperor Marcian (12th November) emphasises that "idolatry" is punished by death.
457 to 491 Sporadic persecutions against the Gentiles of the Eastern Empire. Among others, the physician Jacobus and the philosopher Gessius are executed. Severianus, Herestios, Zosimus, Isidorus and others are tortured and imprisoned. The proselytiser Conon and his followers exterminate the last Gentiles of Imbros Island, Norheast Aegean Sea. The last worshippers of Lavranius Zeus are exterminated in Cyprus.
482 to 488 The majority of the Gentiles of Minor Asia are exterminated after a desperate revolt against the Emperor and the Church.
486 More "underground" pagan priests are discovered, arrested, burlesqued, tortured and executed in Alexandria, Egypt.
515 Baptism becomes obligatory even for those that already say they are Christians. The Emperor of Constantinople Anastasius orders the massacre of the Gentiles in the Arabian city Zoara and the demolition of the Temple of local God Theandrites.
528 Emperor Jutprada (Justinianus) outlaws the "alternative" Olympian Games of Antioch. He also orders the execution (by fire, crucifixion, tearing to pieces by wild beasts or cutting to pieces by iron nails) of all who practice "sorcery, divination, magic or idolatry" and prohibits all teachings by the Gentiles ("..the ones suffering from the blasphemous insanity of the Hellenes").
529 Emperor Justinianus outlaws the Athenian Philosophical Academy and has its property confiscated.
532 The inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus, a fanatic monk, leads a crusade against the Gentiles of Minor Asia.
542 Emperor Justinianus allows the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus to convert the Gentiles of Phrygia, Caria and Lydia, Minor Asia. Within 35 years of this crusade, 99 churches and 12 monasteries are built on the sites of demolished pagan Temples.
546 Hundreds of Gentiles are put to death in Constantinople by the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus.
556 Emperor Justinianus orders the notorious inquisitor Amantius to go to Antioch, to find, arrest, torture and exterminate the last Gentiles of the city and burn all the private libraries down.
562 Mass arrests, burlesquing, tortures, imprisonments and executions of Gentile Hellenes in Athens, Antioch, Palmyra and Constantinople.
578 to 582 The Christians torture and crucify Gentile Hellenes all around the Eastern Empire, and exterminate the last Gentiles of Heliopolis (Baalbek).
580 The Christian inquisitors attack a secret Temple of Zeus in Antioch. The priest commits suicide, but the rest Gentiles are arrested. All the prisoners, the Vice Governor Anatolius included, are tortured and sent to Constantinople to face trial. Sentenced to death they are thrown to the lions. The wild animals being unwilling to tear them to pieces, they end up crucified. Their dead bodies are dragged in the streets by the Christian mob and afterwards thrown unburied in the dump.
583 New persecutions against the Gentile Hellenes by the Emperor Mauricius.
590 In all the Eastern Empire the Christian accusers "discover" pagan conspiracies. New storm of torture and executions.
692 The "Penthekto" Council of Constantinople prohibits the remains of Calends, Brumalia, Anthesteria, and other pagan / Dionysian celebrations.
804 The Gentile Hellenes of Mesa Mani (Cape Tainaron, Lakonia, Greece) resist successfully the attempt of Tarasius, Patriarch of Constantinople, to convert them to Christianity.
850 to 860 Violent conversion of the last Gentile Hellenes of Mesa Mani by the Armenian "Saint" Nikon.
Those Christians who claim
Those Christians who claim that Christianity is peaceful religion, unlike Islam, need to show how this religion is peaceful with its inherent hatred for other religions right from its birth as a state religion.
History of Christian atrocities.
stopthereligiousright.org/demolish.htm
From Vlasis Rassias’ book “DEMOLISH THEM..”, published in Greek, Athens 1994, Diipetes Editions, ISBN 960-85311-3-6)
314 Immediately after its full legalisation, the Christian Church attacks the Gentiles: The Council of Ancyra denounces the worship of Goddess Artemis.
324 Emperor Constantine declares Christianism as the only official Religion of the Roman Empire. In Dydima, Minor Asia, he sacks the Oracle of the God Apollo and tortures the pagan priests to death. He also evicts all the Gentiles from Mt. Athos and destroys all the local Hellenic Temples.
326 Emperor Constantine, following the instructions of his mother Helen, destroys the Temple of the God Asclepius in Aigeai of Cilicia and many Temples of the Goddess Aphrodite in Jerusalem, Aphaca, Mambre, Phoenice, Baalbek, etc.
330 Emperor Constantine steals the treasures and statues of the pagan Temples of Greece to decorate Nova Roma (Constantinople), the new capital of his Empire.
335 Emperor Constantine sacks many pagan Temples of Minor Asia and Palestine and orders the execution by crucifixion of “all magicians and soothsayers”. Martyrdom of the neoplatonist philosopher Sopatrus.
341 Emperor Flavius Julius Constantius persecutes “all the soothsayers and the Hellenists”. Many Gentile Hellenes are either imprisoned or executed.
346 New large-scale persecutions against the Gentiles in Constantinople. Banishment of the famous orator Libanius accused as… “magician”.
353 An edict of Constantius orders the death penalty for all kind of worship through sacrifices and “idols”.
354 A new edict orders the closing of all the pagan Temples. Some of them are profaned and turned into brothels or gambling rooms. Executions of pagan priests.
354 A new edict of Constantius orders the destruction of the pagan Temples and the execution of all “idolaters”. First burning of libraries in various cities of the Empire. The first lime factories are being organised next to the closed pagan Temples. A major part of the holy architecture of the Gentiles turns to lime.
357 Constantius outlaws all methods of Divination (Astrology not excluded).
359 In Skythopolis, Syria, the Christians organise the first death camps for the torture and executions of the arrested Gentiles from all around the Empire.
361 to 363 Religious tolerance and restoration of the pagan cults declared in Constantinople (11th December 361) by the pagan Emperor Flavius Claudius Julianus.
364 Emperor Flavius Jovianus orders the burning of the Library of Antioch.
364 An Imperial edict (11th September) orders the death penalty for all Gentiles that worship their ancestral Gods or practice Divination (”sileat omnibus perpetuo divinandi curiositas”). Three different edicts (4th February, 9th September, 23rd December) order the confiscation of all properties of the pagan Temples and the death penalty for participation in pagan rituals, even private ones.
365 An Imperial edict (17th November) forbids the Gentile officers of the army to command Christian soldiers.
370 Emperor Valens orders a tremendous persecution of the Gentiles in all the Eastern Empire. In Antioch, among many other Gentiles, the ex-governor Fidustius and the priests Hilarius and Patricius are executed. Tons of books are burnt in the squares of the cities of the Eastern Empire. All the friends of Julianus are persecuted (Orebasius, Sallustius, Pegasius etc.), the philosopher Simonides is burned alive and the philosopher Maximus is decapitated.
372 Emperor Valens orders the governor of Minor Asia to exterminate all the Hellenes and all documents of their wisdom.
373 New prohibition of all Divination methods. The term “pagan” (pagani, villagers) is introduced by the Christians to lessen the Gentiles.
375 The Temple of God Asclepius in Epidaurus, Greece, is closed down by the Christians.
380 On 27th February, Christianism becomes the exclusive Religion of the Roman Empire by an edict of Emperor Flavius Theodosius, requiring that “all the various nations which are subject to our clemency and moderation should continue in the profession of that religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter”. The non-Christians are called “loathsome, heretics, stupid and blind”. In another edict Theodosius calls “insane” those that do not believe to the Christian God and outlaws all disagreements with the Church dogmas. Ambrosius, bishop of Milan, starts destroying all the pagan Temples of his area. The Christian priests lead the hungry mob against the Temple of Goddess Demeter in Eleusis and try to lynch the hierophants Nestorius and Priskus. The 95 years old hierophant Nestorius ends the Eleusinian Mysteries and announces the predominance of mental darkness over the human race.
381 On 2nd May, Theodosius deprives of all their rights the Christians that return back to the pagan Religion. In all the Eastern Empire the pagan Temples and Libraries are looted or burned down. On 21st December, Theodosius outlaws even the simple visits to the Temples of the Hellenes. In Constantinople, the Temple of Goddess Aphrodite is turned to brothel and the Temples of Sun and Artemis to stables.
384 Emperor Theodosius orders the Praetorian Prefect Maternus Cynegius, a dedicated Christian, to cooperate with the local bishops and destroy the Temples of the Gentiles in Northern Greece and Minor Asia.
385 to 388 Maternus Cynegius, encouraged by his fanatic wife, and bishop (”Saint”) Marcellus with his gangs scour the countryside and sack and destroy hundreds of Hellenic Temples, shrines and altars. Among others they destroy the Temple of Edessa, the Cabeireion of Imbros, the Temple of Zeus in Apamea, the Temple of Apollo in Dydima and all the Temples of Palmyra. Thousands of innocent Gentiles from all sides of the Empire suffer martyrdom in the notorious death camps of Skythopolis.
386 Emperor Theodosius outlaws (16th June) the care of the sacked pagan Temples.
388 Public talks on religious subjects are also outlawed by Theodosius. The old orator Libanius sends his famous Epistle “Pro Templis” to Theodosius with the hope that the few remaining Hellenic Temples will be respected and spared.
389 to 390 All non-Christian date-methods are outlawed. Hordes of fanatic hermits from the desert flood the cities of the Middle East and Egypt and destroy statues, altars, Libraries and pagan Temples and lynch the Gentiles. Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, starts heavy persecutions against the Gentiles, turns the Temple of Dionysos into a Christian church, burns down the Mithraeum of the city, destroys the Temple of Zeus and burlesque the pagan priests before they are killed by stoning. The Christian mob profanes the cult images.
391 On 24th February, a new edict of Theodosius prohibits not only visits to pagan Temples but also looking at the vandalised statues. New heavy persecutions all around the Empire. In Alexandria, Egypt, the Gentiles, led by the philosopher Olympius, revolt and after some street fights they lock themselves inside the fortified Temple of God Serapis (The Serapeion). After a violent siege, the Christians take over the building, demolish it, burn its famous Library and profane the cult images.
392 On 8th November, the Emperor Theodosius outlaws all the non-Christian rituals and names them “superstitions of the Gentiles” (gentilicia superstitio). New full scale persecutions against the Gentiles. The Mysteries of Samothrace are ended and the priests slaughtered. In Cyprus the local bishop (”Saint”) Epiphanius and “Saint” Tychon destroy almost all the Temples of the island and exterminate thousands of Gentiles. The local Mysteries of Goddess Aphrodite are ended. Theodosius’ edict declares: “the ones that won’t obey pater Epiphanius have no right to keep living in that island”. The Gentiles revolt against the Emperor and the Church in Petra, Aeropolis, Rafia, Gaza, Baalbek and other cities of the Middle East.
393 The Pythian Games, the Aktia Games and the Olympic Games are outlawed as part of the Hellenic “idolatry”. The Christians sack the Temples of Olympia.
395 Two new edicts (22nd July and 7th August) cause new persecutions against the Gentiles. Rufinus, the eunuch Prime Minister of Emperor Flavius Arcadius directs the hordes of the baptised Goths (led by Alaric) to the country of the Hellenes. Encouraged by Christian monks the barbarians sack and burn many cities (Dion, Delphi, Megara, Corinth, Pheneos, Argos, Nemea, Lycosoura, Sparta, Messene, Phigaleia, Olympia, etc.), slaughter or enslave innumerable Gentile Hellenes and burn down all the Temples. Among others, they burn down the Eleusinian Sanctuary and burn alive all its priests (including the hierophant of Mithras Hilarius).
396 On 7th December, a new edict by Emperor Arcadius orders that paganism be treated as high treason. Imprisonment of the few remaining pagan priests and hierophants.
397 “Demolish them!”. Emperor Flavius Arcadius orders all the still standing pagan Temples to be demolished.
398 The Fourth Church Council of Carthage prohibits to everybody, including to the Christian bishops, the study of the books of the Gentiles. Porphyrius, bishop of Gaza, demolishes almost all the pagan Temples of his city (except 9 of them that remain active).
399 With a new edict (13th July) Emperor Flavius Arcadius orders all the still standing pagan Temples, mainly in the countryside, to be immediately demolished.
400 Bishop Nicetas destroys the Oracle of the God Dionysus in Vesai and baptises all the Gentiles of this area.
401 The Christian mob of Carthage lynches Gentiles and destroys Temples and “idols”. In Gaza too, the local bishop (also a..”Saint”) Porphyrius sends his followers to lynch Gentiles and to demolish the remaining 9 still active Temples of the city. The 15th Council of Chalkedon orders all the Christians that still keep good relations with their gentile relatives to be excommunicated (even after their death).
405 John Chrysostom sends hordes of gray dressed monks armed with clubs and iron bars to destroy the “idols” in all the cities of Palestine.
406 John Chrysostom collects funds from rich Christian women to financially support the demolition of the Hellenic Temples. In Ephessus he orders the destruction of the famous Temple of Goddess Artemis. In Salamis, Cyprus, the “Saints” Epiphanius and Eutychius continue the persecutions of the Gentiles and the destruction of their Temples and sanctuaries.
407 A new edict outlaws once more all the non-Christian acts of worship.
408 The Emperor of the Western Empire Honorius and the Emperor of the Eastern Empire Arcadius order together all the sculptures of the pagan Temples to be either destroyed or to be taken away. Private ownership of pagan sculpture is also outlawed. The local bishops lead new heavy persecutions against the Gentiles and new book burning. The judges that have pity for the Gentiles are also persecuted. “Saint” Augustine massacres hundreds of protesting pagans in Calama, Algeria.
409 Once again, an edict orders Astrology and all methods of Divination to be punished by death.
415 In Alexandria, Egypt, the Christian mob, urged by the bishop Cyrillus, attacks a few days before the Judaeo-Christian Pascha (Easter) and cuts to pieces the famous and beautiful philosopher Hypatia. The pieces of her body, carried around by the Christian mob through the streets of Alexandria, are finally burned together with her books in a place called Cynaron. On 30th August, new persecutions start against all the pagan priests of North Africa who end their lives either crucified or burned alive.
416 The inquisitor Hypatius, alias “The Sword of God”, exterminates the last Gentiles of Bithynia. In Constantinople (7th December) all non-Christian army officers, public employees and judges are dismissed.
423 Emperor Theodosius B declares (8th June) that the Religion of the Gentiles is nothing more than “demon worship” and orders all those who persist in practicing it to be punished by imprisonment and torture.
429 The Temple of Goddess Athena (Parthenon) on the Acropolis of Athens is sacked. The Athenian pagans are persecuted.
435 On 14th November, a new edict by Emperor Theodosius B orders the death penalty for all “heretics” and Gentiles of the Empire. Only Judaism is considered a legal non-Christian Religion.
438 Emperor Theodosius II issues an new edict (31st January) against the Gentiles, incriminating their “idolatry” as the reason of a recent plague (!)
440 to 450 The Christians demolish all the monuments, altars and Temples of Athens, Olympia, and other Greek cities.
448 Theodosius B orders all the non-Christian books to be burned.
450 All the Temples of Aphrodisias (City of Goddess Aphrodite) are demolished and all its Libraries burned down. The city is renamed Stavroupolis (City of the Cross).
451 New edict by Emperor Marcian (12th November) emphasises that “idolatry” is punished by death.
457 to 491 Sporadic persecutions against the Gentiles of the Eastern Empire. Among others, the physician Jacobus and the philosopher Gessius are executed. Severianus, Herestios, Zosimus, Isidorus and others are tortured and imprisoned. The proselytiser Conon and his followers exterminate the last Gentiles of Imbros Island, Norheast Aegean Sea. The last worshippers of Lavranius Zeus are exterminated in Cyprus.
482 to 488 The majority of the Gentiles of Minor Asia are exterminated after a desperate revolt against the Emperor and the Church.
486 More “underground” pagan priests are discovered, arrested, burlesqued, tortured and executed in Alexandria, Egypt.
515 Baptism becomes obligatory even for those that already say they are Christians. The Emperor of Constantinople Anastasius orders the massacre of the Gentiles in the Arabian city Zoara and the demolition of the Temple of local God Theandrites.
528 Emperor Jutprada (Justinianus) outlaws the “alternative” Olympian Games of Antioch. He also orders the execution (by fire, crucifixion, tearing to pieces by wild beasts or cutting to pieces by iron nails) of all who practice “sorcery, divination, magic or idolatry” and prohibits all teachings by the Gentiles (”..the ones suffering from the blasphemous insanity of the Hellenes”).
529 Emperor Justinianus outlaws the Athenian Philosophical Academy and has its property confiscated.
532 The inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus, a fanatic monk, leads a crusade against the Gentiles of Minor Asia.
542 Emperor Justinianus allows the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus to convert the Gentiles of Phrygia, Caria and Lydia, Minor Asia. Within 35 years of this crusade, 99 churches and 12 monasteries are built on the sites of demolished pagan Temples.
546 Hundreds of Gentiles are put to death in Constantinople by the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus.
556 Emperor Justinianus orders the notorious inquisitor Amantius to go to Antioch, to find, arrest, torture and exterminate the last Gentiles of the city and burn all the private libraries down.
562 Mass arrests, burlesquing, tortures, imprisonments and executions of Gentile Hellenes in Athens, Antioch, Palmyra and Constantinople.
578 to 582 The Christians torture and crucify Gentile Hellenes all around the Eastern Empire, and exterminate the last Gentiles of Heliopolis (Baalbek).
580 The Christian inquisitors attack a secret Temple of Zeus in Antioch. The priest commits suicide, but the rest Gentiles are arrested. All the prisoners, the Vice Governor Anatolius included, are tortured and sent to Constantinople to face trial. Sentenced to death they are thrown to the lions. The wild animals being unwilling to tear them to pieces, they end up crucified. Their dead bodies are dragged in the streets by the Christian mob and afterwards thrown unburied in the dump.
583 New persecutions against the Gentile Hellenes by the Emperor Mauricius.
590 In all the Eastern Empire the Christian accusers “discover” pagan conspiracies. New storm of torture and executions.
692 The “Penthekto” Council of Constantinople prohibits the remains of Calends, Brumalia, Anthesteria, and other pagan / Dionysian celebrations.
804 The Gentile Hellenes of Mesa Mani (Cape Tainaron, Lakonia, Greece) resist successfully the attempt of Tarasius, Patriarch of Constantinople, to convert them to Christianity.
850 to 860 Violent conversion of the last Gentile Hellenes of Mesa Mani by the Armenian “Saint” Nikon.
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LAW BANNING ALL RELIGIONS OTHER THAN CHRISTIANITY
"It is Our will that all the peoples who are ruled by the administration of Our Clemency shall practice that religion which the divine Peter the Apostle transmitted to the Romans. According to the apostolic teaching and the doctrine of the Gospel, let us believe in the one deity of the father, Son and Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. ... The rest, whom We adjudge demented and insane, shall sustain the infamy of heretical dogmas, their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches, and they shall be smitten first by divine vengeance and secondly by the retribution of Our own initiative." -- Codex Theodosianus, XVI.1.2.
EDICTS AGAINST NON-CHRISTIAN WORSHIP
"No one shall consult a soothsayer, astrologer or diviner. The perverse pronouncements of augurs and seers must fall silent. ... The universal curiosity about divination must be silent forever. Whosoever refuses obedience to this command shall suffer the penalty of death and be laid low by the avenging sword." -- Codex Theodosianus, IX.16.4
Source: Brian Croke & Jill Harries (eds.), Religious Conflict in Fourth-Century Rome: A Documentary Study (Sydney: Macarthur Press, 1982).
"Whatever privileges have been allowed under ancient law to priests, ministers, prefects and hierophants of the pagan cults, whether know by these or other names, are to be entirely abolished, nor should they pride themselves on being protected by any privilege, since their profession is known to be condemned by law." -- Codex Theodosianus, XVI.10.14
Source: Brian Croke & Jill Harries (eds.), Religious Conflict in Fourth-Century Rome: A Documentary Study (Sydney: Macarthur Press, 1982).
"The knowledge of those, who being equipped with magic arts, are discovered to have plotted against men's lives or who have perverted modest minds with lust must be punished and a penalty rightly exacted under the harshest of laws." -- Codex Theodosianus, IX.16.2
Source: Brian Croke & Jill Harries (eds.), Religious Conflict in Fourth-Century Rome: A Documentary Study (Sydney: Macarthur Press, 1982).
"Since We have learned that certain ecclesiastics and others serving the Catholic sect are being compelled by men of different religions to celebrate lustral sacrifices, We decree hereby that whoever should consider that those who serve the most sacred law may be forced into celebrating the rites of an alien superstition, he shall be beaten with clubs in public, provided his status so permits. However, if the consideration due to honorable rank protects him from such injury, let him undergo the penalty of a very heavy fine." -- Codex Theodosianus, XVI.2.5
Source: Brian Croke & Jill Harries (eds.), Religious Conflict in Fourth-Century Rome: A Documentary Study (Sydney: Macarthur Press, 1982).
"Let superstition cease. Let the madness of sacrifices be exterminated; for if anyone should dare to celebrate sacrifices in violation of the law of our father, the deified Emperor, and of this decree of Our Clemency, let an appropriate punishment and sentence immediately be inflicted on him." -- Codex Theodosianus
Source: Brian Croke & Jill Harries (eds.), Religious Conflict in Fourth-Century Rome: A Documentary Study (Sydney: Macarthur Press, 1982).
"No person shall pollute himself with sacrificial animals; no person shall slaughter an innocent victim; no person shall approach the shrines, shall wander through the temples, or revere the images formed by mortal labor, lest he become guilty by divine and human laws." -- Codex Theodosianus, XVI.10.10.
"It is necessary that the privileges which are bestowed for the cultivation of religion should be given only to followers of the Catholic faith. We desire that heretics and schismatics be not only kept from these privileges, but be subjected to various fines." -- Codex Theodosianus, XVI.5. 1.
"The ability and right of making wills shall be taken from those who turn from Christians to pagans, and the testament of such an one, if he made any, shall be abrogated after his death."-- Codex Theodosianus, XVI.7.1.
"Whenever there is found a meeting of a mob of Manichaeans, let the leaders be punished with a heavy fine and let those who attended be known as infamous and dishonored, and be shut out from association with men, and let the house and the dwellings where the profane doctrine was taught be seized by the officers of the city." -- Codex Theodosianus, XVI.5.3.
Source: Codex Theodosianus, in Oliver J. Thatcher, ed., The Library of Original Sources, Vol. IV: The Early Medieval World (Milwaukee, WI: University Research Extension Co., 1907), pp. 69-71.
"We command that all those proved to be devoting themselves to sacrificing or worshipping images be subject to the penalty of death." -- Codex Theodosianus, XVI.10.6
Source: Brian Croke & Jill Harries (eds.), Religious Conflict in Fourth-Century Rome: A Documentary Study (Sydney: Macarthur Press, 1982).
If Allah says kill the
If Allah says kill the kafirs, then it's a godly statement to moslems and biblical nuts will condemn the statement as being unjust.True.
if christ and lord make the statement liquidate the heathens, the heathens are not supposed to say anything and just get liquidated. Otherwise these heathens as per biblical nuts and kafirs as per moscums are spreading hatred! that's a great logic.We heathens and kafirs have no option but to get eliminated.
Neither I nor the kafirs are going to give up so easily. Do not be under any illusion that the kafirs and heathens are the same as they were 300 years ago. they are simply not!
That idiot who keeps crapping about 57 islamic cesspools should read the article I posted about why moscums are evil, backward,stupid, illiterates.
Dear Friends out there, I
Dear Friends out there, I hope. Looks like some of you have gone wild talking about Christians. When a so-called becomes violent, he is not practicing the teachings of Jesus Christ. Okay? When some of you like Continuum write, it seems that you are being stung on the ass by a scorpion as you write. If you want to learn anything about the Catholic Church log on to chnetwork.org. Let's leave this site to discuss Islam. Thank you and may God bless you.
I left out Christian between
I left out Christian between "so-called" and "becomes." It's hard to recheck one's writing on this site because of the way it's set up. Thank you.
Dear oh dear! You can not
Dear oh dear!
You can not hold the entire christianity and entire christians to ransom for the mistakes of a few misguided people who are not christians. There we are , Is that the way it should be?
That's the precisely the answer moscums give for the daily killings, still going on in the name of islam. One can not condone killing in the name of the Lord and admonish the same killing in the name of allah! Or should we really? That's hypocrisy or shall we say typical christianity
Will the moderators please
Will the moderators please ban the anti-Christian posters? They could be Muslims in disguise. I don't want to debate whether they are right or not. The point is that this site is supposed to be about Islam, not Christianity.
Please visit nobeliefs.com to
Please visit nobeliefs.com to know more about christianity. It is only christians,muslims and jews who fight each other in the belief that god was partial to the tribals of the middle east and revealed the truth. Why don't they leave this god alone and instead of trying to prove others wrong live life without harming others. that should be the essence of all religions. Unfortunately they act like mirror with a scratch on it calling another mirror's spot. Come out of your religion and look. Give up the blind infatuation towards your religion in the belief that every thing is right with your religion and wrong with the others. All religions were made to see people follow good practices according to the beliefs they had at that time and in order to make others follow they said that god said these things to them. Should that be believed?
When some of you like
It is more likely that you got stung many times reading my posts, otherwise why refer to me specifically.
yes...yes... Lets ask the murderer whether he murdered and about the history of events...
hello NT its a freedom of
hello NT
its a freedom of speech,
please respesct it.
most comments here about abrahimic religions is true.
I could see real facts thrown.
Quote: In Alexandria, Egypt,
Quote: In Alexandria, Egypt, the Christian mob, urged by the bishop Cyrillus, attacks a few days before the Judaeo-Christian Pascha (Easter) and cuts to pieces the famous and beautiful philosopher Hypatia. The pieces of her body, carried around by the Christian mob through the streets of Alexandria, are finally burned together with her books in a place called Cynaron.
>> This is very similar to Muhammad ordering his henchmen to kill a Jewish poetess named Asma bint Marwan.
The story of Hypatia is very
The story of Hypatia is very interesting. Hypatia, being a heathen, Pagan scholar should be suffereing in the scorching Hell even after her painful death, whereas the religious mob (true and faithful believers) that attacked her would be given a red-carpet welcome by their ever merciful Almighty God since he is ready to take upon himself their sins. Oh my God, I am presenting riddles here!
WOW THIS IS THE BEST ATHEIST
WOW THIS IS THE BEST ATHEIST SIGHT I HAVE FOUND. BEST CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, JEW, BASHING SIGHT.MAYBE NOW WE CAN FIGHT ABOUT THE SUPERIOR BEING WHITE, BLACK, BROWN,? WOW LOADS OF HATE UP IN HERE. I THOUGHT THE PURPOSE OF THIS SIGHT WAS TO DISPROVE MUSLIM BELIEFS BECAUSE OF THEIR TERRORISM. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST HERE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR PEACE OR KNOWLEDGE BUT, FEEDING ON HATE OF ALL MAN KIND. I SURE DON'T THINK THERE IS A WINNER HERE. MAY AS WELL BE A MUSLIM.
I am a freedom-loving
I am a freedom-loving spiritual mystic who prefers direct communion with the Supreme Creator, rather than blindly follow man-made religions with all their petty rules and dogmas. I, however, respect all religions which in this modern age recognize their historical shortcomings and are constantly evolving to serve humanity better than they did in the dark past.
Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism are really making an effort to atone for past misdeeds committed by misguided priests and followers. Islam however, in sharp contrast, prides itself in going back to its violent barbaric past and rejects with contempt all and every effort at reform because it vainly imagines itself to be perfect needing no reform.
I would like to take this opportunity to now quote the insightful words of Winston Churchill in his “The Malakand Field Force” which contrasts Christianity with Islam.
"It is, thank heaven, difficult if not impossible for the modern European to fully appreciate the force which fanaticism exercises among an ignorant, warlike and Oriental population.
‘Several generations have elapsed since the nations of the West have drawn the sword in religious controversy, and the evil memories of the gloomy past have soon faded in the strong, clear light of Rationalism and human sympathy.
‘Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men's passions and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination.
‘But the Muhammaden religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since, its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness.
‘In a moment the fruits of patient toil, the prospects of material prosperity, the fear of death itself, are flung aside. The more emotional Muhammadens are powerless to resist. All rational considerations are forgotten. Seizing their weapons, they become Ghazis - as dangerous and as sensible as mad dogs: fit only to be treated as such.
'In each case civilization is confronted with militant Muhammadenism. The forces of progress clash with those of reaction. The religion of blood and war is face to face with that of peace. Luckily the religion of peace is usually the better armed."
This is an insight, in spite of its racist language, that we should all reflect on as still valid although written almost a 100 years ago.
Peace to all.
continuum, notorious licence
continuum, notorious licence to flush and the rest of
the new age relativistic leftist philosophers:
Can you deal with the term "muslim carpenter"?
You twist the crimes of the muslims with the logic of
other and when your work is no longer of use
then they will walk on your emptied body.
Now go back to your leftist youtube site
and continue to protest against all possible religions,
but don't forget that islam is a collectivised
warfare system disguised as a religion
and because of that fact leftists and muslims
will allow you to continue your nice work
as long as you focus only on the cover namely
the religious part (especially the parts taken
from OT and NT),
because it weakens other religions as well.
That is basic muslim warfare philosophy:
"as long as you harm other religions
it is OK to kill some muslims"
and what you do is that you criticize
(if you alone had anything to decide)
many religions, but you do only small damage to
to the concept of islam.
In other words, you support islam.
The whole cover concept of islam is based on this
calculation and you just stepped on the trap
either intentionally or you just didn't think
about how you are used.
Perpetual destruction, You
Perpetual destruction,
You are paranoid. There are no leftists scums here. We put the blame where it belongs. We blame Christianity for intolerance and violence, just as we blame Islam for its barbarity and intolerance.
Churchill was a great and
Churchill was a great and intelligent person.
Perpetual destruction, Hey,
Perpetual destruction,
Hey, how are you doing,
Here are some collections of Jesus' words IF he is God according to Christians.
Hosea 13:16
taken from : http://bible.cc/hosea/13-16.htm
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The people of Samaria are guilty as charged because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed in war, their children will be smashed to death, and their pregnant women will be ripped open.
King James Bible
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
American King James Version
Samaria shall become desolate; for she has rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
American Standard Version
Samaria shall bear her guilt; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Bible in Basic English
Samaria will be made waste, for she has gone against her God: they will be cut down by the sword, their little children will be broken on the rocks, their women who are with child will be cut open.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Let Samaria perish, because she hath stirred up her God to bitterness: let them perish by the sword, let their little ones be dashed, and let the women with child be ripped up.
Darby Bible Translation
Samaria shall bear her guilt; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
English Revised Version
Samaria shall bear her guilt; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Webster's Bible Translation
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
World English Bible
Samaria will bear her guilt; for she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Young's Literal Translation
Become desolate doth Samaria, Because she hath rebelled against her God, By sword they do fall, Their sucklings are dashed in pieces, And its pregnant ones are ripped up!
Islam is as evil as Christianity, Catholic and Judaism. To prove the evilness in Christianity especially Jesus Christ's teachings is more important than to prove Islam is violent here. Because everybody including Muslims know Islam is violent, But not many people know Jesus' (who is God) was a violent person.
Besides if FFI is exclusively for Muslims to understand their cult. Then Christians have NO RIGHT to fart on behalf of Jesus here to fool the rest of the readers. Please say the same things to Christians as you say the same things to us. Unless ..... you are too afraid to know what you believe is NO BETTER than Islam.
Conclusions : Yes DEMON is afraid of his true identity when being exposed publicly. They can't stand the truth and therefore will try all they can to STOP US. Do you know why demons want us to stop exposing them now ?
Perpetual destruction, Hey,
Perpetual destruction,
Hey, how are you doing,
Here are some collections of Jesus' words IF he is God according to Christians.
Hosea 13:16
taken from : not allowed here anymore
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The people of Samaria are guilty as charged because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed in war, their children will be smashed to death, and their pregnant women will be ripped open.
King James Bible
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
American King James Version
Samaria shall become desolate; for she has rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
American Standard Version
Samaria shall bear her guilt; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Bible in Basic English
Samaria will be made waste, for she has gone against her God: they will be cut down by the sword, their little children will be broken on the rocks, their women who are with child will be cut open.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Let Samaria perish, because she hath stirred up her God to bitterness: let them perish by the sword, let their little ones be dashed, and let the women with child be ripped up.
Darby Bible Translation
Samaria shall bear her guilt; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
English Revised Version
Samaria shall bear her guilt; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword; their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Webster's Bible Translation
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
World English Bible
Samaria will bear her guilt; for she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women will be ripped open."
Young's Literal Translation
Become desolate doth Samaria, Because she hath rebelled against her God, By sword they do fall, Their sucklings are dashed in pieces, And its pregnant ones are ripped up!
Islam is as evil as Christianity, Catholic and Judaism. To prove the evilness in Christianity especially Jesus Christ's teachings is more important than to prove Islam is violent here. Because everybody including Muslims know Islam is violent, But not many people know Jesus' (who is God) was a violent person.
Besides if FFI is exclusively for Muslims to understand their cult. Then Christians have NO RIGHT to fart on behalf of Jesus here to fool the rest of the readers. Please say the same things to Christians as you say the same things to us. Unless ..... you are too afraid to know what you believe is NO BETTER than Islam.
Conclusions : Yes DEMON is afraid of his true identity when being exposed publicly. They can't stand the truth and therefore will try all they can to STOP US. Do you know why demons want us to stop exposing them now ?