Islam: A Casualty of Time

Same on things happened on Jews and Christianity .. They all taught to have Non-Jews and Non-Christianity ... it means, Buddhist, Hindus, Moslems, Zoroaster, etc ....

So, we could spread Faith Freedom to cover Jews and Christianity as their teaching are dangerous to Humanity ...

It is the matter of White People feels overpowering of Coloured People ....
It is the matter of money, after all ...

# comment No.1: The teachings from the religous texts of Jews and Christians in the West do not extend beyond their religous places. Do you see the Church is separated from the State in many western countries? This is the reason we find many Hindu, Buddhist, Pharsee, and other hated "PAGAN" temples in the West. Prior to the separation of the Church from State, Christianity was involved in the destruction of idols of Greek, Hindu (as in Goa), Mayan, and other Pagan temples. This is in accordance with their scripture, especially Old Testament. The intelligent in the West therefore separated religion from state. However, Islam continues to follow many verses borrowed from OT and its own faulty teachings. In reality, the West is free of such false religious dogma, whereas Islamic nations continue to follow the jealous, arrogant, and sadist God

Islam teaches it's faithful followers a number of brutal and violent, stupid and silly, barbaric and bedouin practices.Any moslem found practicing any of these teachings of the rapist pedophile prophet mahalaudamohammad, should be eliminated.
1/. Child molesting and chil raping.
2.Thighing.
3.Killing innocents for the sake of allameralauda.
4.Killin for the rapist pedophile mahalaudamohammad.
Any moslem caught doing any of these things should be liquidated.No mercy for the followers of the merciful allahmeralauda.

Bullshit ...

My country, Indonesia, had been occupied by Dutch for 350 years ... using brutal, violent, stupid, silly, barbaric and bedouin practises.

And they're Christianity ....

Again, this is not religion but money .....

Didiet # 4

Oh yeah? Is that why so many of you Indonesians will do anything, even sell your sisters, to move to Holland. Amsterdam looks like a mini Jakarta.

".......yet Muslims continue to feed off of its dead body like vultures consuming rotting meat and getting sicker with each and every bite."

Muslims have no idea that their troubles results from feeding from the corpse called islam. The rotten meat they cosume produces toxic effects that causes paralysis of the brain such that they cannot sense the pains. Everyday mosques are bombed in Pakistan yet muslims defy death and continue attending mosques. Of all muslims, muslimahs are the most paralysed. They are beaten, stoned, raped, pedophiled, burqad, sensored from driving, decapitated, hanged and foursomed, yet they still adore islam. Also the blacks. Despite allah equating a black color to the Devil yet they are proud muslims.

Who is this Didiet? He always come here but says nothing about islam instead starts to revile christianity. Are you a muslim?

Guys,watch this wonderful video of Iranians against islam. Dear admin,please do post it on FFI. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZAkBYOq-k8&feature=channel_page

Didiet is apparently a Black Indian Muslim who never read that allah hates black people. ALLAH the god of Islam hates black men, women, and children, Muhammad the arab man with a white penis, never married a black woman just cursed them. Blacks are evil says allah/muhammad. Allah/Satan/Muhammad is the trinity of Islam.

How can any human join this crap after learning that it is a racist form of Arab imperialism. If anyone should know it, it is IndiaNS, especially the Hindus and Buddhist. Christendom fought back and defeated Islam and thought that all people of India were Muslims since Muslims had ruled them for so long and the Hindus did not fight back hard enough. Muslims had taken most of the temples, the wealth of knowledge from India and so much that the British thought algebra was a Muslim thing, It was from India and a Iranian, convert to Islam, a former Zoroastarian, renamed the math algebra in his honor. Muslims brought African slaves to India and all African and Blacks do is blame Europeans. All one has to do is read.

ISLAM IS TRULY A CASUALTY OF ALL TIMES SINCE PROPHET MO CAME ALONG.

Raisin head, why are you obsessed with India? This fellow is from Indonesia and India.

#10 Obsessed with India. If you notice I talk about all places. It just so happens that most here are from India or Pakistan.

#10 Our President Obama is from Indonesia when it was under the Dutch (smile)

#8 great information. ARYAN EUROPEANS DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE THE SWATIZKA CAME FROM. The Aryan Europeans still thought of themselves as better than the indo Europeans e.g. Iranians. Hitler knew but kept it a secret to use them and get the oil. He was slick as the Muslims only knew "hate the Jews". They used each other and today they still do. Aryans have joined together once again, neither side really knowing or caring the outcome.

ARYAN EUROPEANS DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE THE SWATIZKA CAME FROM.

1. There are no "Aryan Eurpeans". "Arya" is a Vedic term, coined in Vedas first referring to those who follow(ed) Vedas.

2. It is "Swastika" and was used by many cultures including Jews in Israel about 2000 years back. You an check this out.

Didiet Sukahar wrote:

March 28th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Same on things happened on Jews and Christianity .. They all taught to have Non-Jews and Non-Christianity … it means, Buddhist, Hindus, Moslems, Zoroaster, etc ….

So, we could spread Faith Freedom to cover Jews and Christianity as their teaching are dangerous to Humanity …

It is the matter of White People feels overpowering of Coloured People ….
It is the matter of money, after all …

Bullshit …

My country, Indonesia, had been occupied by Dutch for 350 years … using brutal, violent, stupid, silly, barbaric and bedouin practises.

And they’re Christianity ….

Again, this is not religion but money …..

Didiet go spread your racist and bigoted propaganda somewhere else. This website is for people who want to promote peace and harmony. I'm saying this because anyone who goes around saying white supremacism for no reason at is in reality a racist and harbors extreme hatred against white people.

people As for your religion, Muhammed and co, benefited from the plunder they took from the civilizations they destroyed and become wealthy.

By the way there are many Christians who are not white, Jesus is not white, many of the first converts were not white. Also there are black Jews. So your accusations about Christianity have no basis.

The Dutch colonized Indonesia, they did not conquer it in the name of Christianity, they merely colonized for the same reasons as other people set out to create a colony, which is money and political power.

Raisin Head wrote:

#8 great information. ARYAN EUROPEANS DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE THE SWATIZKA CAME FROM. The Aryan Europeans still thought of themselves as better than the indo Europeans e.g. Iranians. Hitler knew but kept it a secret to use them and get the oil. He was slick as the Muslims only knew “hate the Jews”. They used each other and today they still do. Aryans have joined together once again, neither side really knowing or caring the outcome.

There are no Aryan Europeans, Hitler got the word Aryan from the Atlantis Myth.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Archaeology/eingedi.html

The synagogue at Ein Gedi dates from the Roman-Byzantine period, but it underwent several changes in the course of its use.
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The floor was of simple white mosaic with a swastika pattern in black tesserae in the center. This pattern has been interpreted as a decorative motif or as a good luck symbol.

Indian Jews have used Swastika as a sacred symbol in some period of last 1600 years or more.

There are no Aryan Europeans, Hitler got the word Aryan from the Atlantis Myth.

????? "Arya" is Sanskrit term, stolen from Indians.

I know about the Aryans in India, but they were somehow incorporated into the Atlantis Myth.

Madam Blavatsky, the founder of Theosophy wrote about them in her book.
Emile Burnouf, a leading nineteenth-century Orientalist and racialist, and wrote about them.

Excellent article.

For Didiet Sukahar

The white Anglo Saxon Protestants were the first to rebel and/or question authority(of Rome) If it had not been for Martin Luther & John Wycliff, there
would never have been an introspection. i am not condoning in anyway, the
other misdeeds of "world conquest, exploitation & plunder" by the white race.
BTW, I am a WASP of Brit origin, now more agnost.

Well before this many centuries, rather almost a 1000 years before, the Hindu
or Sanatana Dharma did face revolt, introspection, with atheism(non Bhuddist)
raising it's head.

What I have postulated elsewhere in these fora, that islam a.k.a. Wahabi Arabism or Muhamedanism has never been put an acid test, and that the
followers of Muhammed's caravanism are almost to a unquestionability, are SHEEP-PEOPLE, never ever lifting their heads for any other view

What many a forumite has never mentioned here: Most other religions emphasize a personal relationship with God. But not Islam, where everything has to be COLLECTIVE ENFORCEMENT, otherwise it death due to apostasy!

Marie

The Aryans were inhabitants of circum-polar region(when it was hospitable for human habitation), that is below the arctic-polar region, and due an extraordinary glacial movement(artic/glacial melt down) the Aryans were forced to migrate
to more hospitable(warmer) regions.

The descendents of the Aryans(aryan race) with regional admixtures, are found
in Central Asia, Asia Minor, Iran, India-Pak, Europe(East, Central & West),
the Americas, etc., etc.

Even the so called WASP/purity race(sic) are not original Aryans, whoever
they were or claim to be.

Well before the advent of that monster Hitler, many a Turkish(Ottoman) vagabonds claimed that the Ural descendents were the original aryans
with purity.

Despite being muslims, Turks, Iranians, some Pakistans, Indians claim to
have greater proportion of Aryan blood/gene-pool.

Small town school (misguided)headmasters in the UK, that too after many
years of W.W. II, have emphasised the Aryan ancestry.

There is only one certainity: who ever claimed closeness to Aryan ancestry
have perished, and their rule has ruined those peoples. Last example is the
Shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi

Hitler and the Germans thought so. It is well know where the term Aryans came from, but Hitler stole it and today the Aryan nation called Nazi in USA still think it means white supremacy. India is called the Indo-Europeans as Ghandhi was so peaceful that he sent love letters to Hitler his fellow Aryan.

Many who blog here have half-baked knowledge on the term 'Arya'. They mainly borrow their ideas from stupid, early Indologists from Europe, who knew nothing about Sanskrit or Veda. 'Arya' in Sanskrit means 'noble' and it does not refer to any race, creed, or sect. Those who followed the noble code of conduct mentioned in the vedas are called 'Aryans', irrespective of their geographical location. The opposite of 'Arya' is 'Anaarya' or 'Mleccha', meaning one who doesn't follow vedic way of life. One who wages war against others and causes genocide for not believing in their God, Prophet, son of God, daughter of God, son-in-law of God, slave of God etc are certainly 'Anaarya'. Swastika has a very deep meaning in vedas and Buddhism. Display of the normal, open-ended swastika means expanding unvierse, whereas the reverse 'swastika' shows the period during which the universe is contracting and approaching annhilation, which will be followed by expansion. Stupidity of people like Muhammad and Hitler knows no bounds. It is so pathetic that just because Hitler used it to crucify Jews, the display of Swastika is banned in Western countries. Why don't the learned scholars from West know the real meaning of 'Arya' or 'Swastika' from vedas and portray its true image. Semiticism at its worst!

The Aryans were inhabitants of circum-polar region(when it was hospitable for human habitation), that is below the arctic-polar region, and due an extraordinary glacial movement(artic/glacial melt down) the Aryans were forced to migrate
to more hospitable(warmer) regions.

The descendents of the Aryans(aryan race) with regional admixtures, are found
in Central Asia, Asia Minor, Iran, India-Pak, Europe(East, Central & West),
the Americas, etc., etc.

Do not know where people get bull shit like this.

Nobody from Europe knew the word "Arya" existed prior to studying Vedas. This word first occurred in Vedas and then appeared in Vendidad among Iranians.

The racist Europeans never heard of this word until they started reading Vedas and made a mess out of this based on their racist, bigoted religious sentiments from the damned bible. This bull shit of a theory is being propagated under the same of linguistics when they cannot find an iota of archaeological evidence for their theories in last 300 years.

Hi guys,I read else where that the "aryan" invasion of India never took place.It is a myth created by the west to belittle the indigenous Indians.Was it a myth????

Of course Krishna, Aryan invasion theory is a big myth. There is not even an iota of evidence to uphold this theory. The founders of AIT wrote like this - "The Aryans entered India in around 1500 BC and settled in the fertile lands of India. They were nomads, ate beef, and drank wine. They conquered Dravidians, the natives, and pushed them to South. They composed Rig Veda in 1200 BC, Yajurveda and other vedas in a span of 500 years, and then left India.". Very beautiful story from Sherlock Holmes, yoy! The colonial Europeans were racist bigots just like Quranic Muhammad. If you remember one of the members pointed out similarities between Bible and Quran. These colonialists even squeezed the history of India so that it should fit within their Biblical Chronology. Yes, I am talking about the formation of earth 6000 yrs ago as per Bible.

Now, satellite pictures have unearthen the Saraswati river, which dried in around 4000 BC. Vedas mention this river many-a-times. The geographical location of this river is in agreement with Rig vedic verses. What will these AIT proponents do? Will they push back the date of invasion? LOL Where is the archeological evidence for causing wide-scale massacre (mass graves) caused by the mythical Aryans?

The basic reason for propounding AIT was that the Europeans wasnted to show us everything that is good in our culture (vedas, puranas, vedanta, music, art, literature etc) was due to their ancestors. By doing so they wanted us to accept their semitic religion--Christianity. Little did they know that Christianity was forced upon entire Europe through terror.

Thanks dear rationalist for the explanation.One interesting fact, a language spoken by a small group of people in pakistan(southwest) called brahui is said to be related to the south indian languages.just google brahui,it is interesting.

The word Arya means the noble one. It particularly refers to people to were speakers of the Sanskrit language. The problem with Hitler was that he had not studied history really well, otherwise he would have though before stealing Arya symbols like the Swastika.
The Aryas were the original inhabitants of India along with the people of the Alpine and negroid descent. However the theory of the Aryan invasion was a myth created by the Bristish who excel at telling lies and half baked truths inorder to advance their trade and create friction amogst people.
At no point in history was there any discord between the Sanskrit speaking aryas and the people of alpine and negroid descent. Infact there were a great many cultural exchanges between these people.
Thanks to the Arayn myth created by the Bristish indologists the students in Indian schools and colleges read the same fake stories and think they are true.

The typical nonsense taught to all, Aryan invasion theory is absurd, stupid and nonsense.There never was an invasion by Aryans.Typical british nonsense.The britishers also taught that vedas are probably not more than 1500 years prior to our lord the dead jew on a stick, because the stupid britishers ( at least those in power) believed that the earth is only 6000 years old and so Vedas can not be more than 1500 prior to the dead jew was born! Infact chronology of Vedas should be carefully analysed to show exactly how old they are.They are at the least 15000- 20000 years old. Now how did I ever come to this conclusion?
Simple.The most sacred river in Veda is the river saraswati.Its praised in Rig veda and finds mention also in other 3 vedas as well.The river saraswati dried up some where in Gujarath 9000 years ago.The satellite imagery and carbon dating can give a lot of clues.The civilisation can only survive along the river.The river dries up, the civilisation goes as well.the river saraswati perhaps dried up due to a fault in the ground and the river just disappeared down the crevines.So no river saraswati, no civilisation.Thats how the vedic civilisational people started moving out from the banks of river saraswati. That means Veda has to be a few thousand years before this all happened.Prove the age of Veda and you will get the truth.The britishers of those days were cunnung and were intelligent to recognise the simple fact that the age of Veda clearly clashes with the dead jew's assertion that earth is 6000 years old.So discredit the vedas etc and the evil bible survives. The conquered do not write history! The powerless do not make headlines.The truth is not what's in news paper owned by the foreigners.We were intelligent but were not equally cunning.To survive we need a good measure of both intelligenvce and cunningness. Christians have a lot of cunningness and are intelligent, the moscums have no intelligence and have only cunningness.We in India need to be aware of both these creatures.Sadly those who realise this are cleverly branded as communalists in India and are sidelined.The cunning other two join hands in India.Want to see how? Visit kerala!

Ok it looks like I found an answer to the question of how the whole Aryan myth got started.

continuum1

It appears you have not comprehended, what I wrote, from what I had gathered
from non European sources. I have read a translation of a small portion of Rig
Veda, by Sir Arthur Keith & a few others, which are in, more or less in non contemporary English, latter day 1800s. The Vendidad of Avesta of the Zoaratrianism does not affirm the Aryan origin & migration. My empahsis
on the latter day denizens is the use of the admixture, in that there are no
clear cut, purity anywhere, including the Nordics, Kashmiris, etc.

I strongly the scientific finding that the first human was in the African continent
probably from a spin off, from the evolution

rationalist

A Harvard U Indologist professor(ooops, he was a WASP, LOL!) had postulated
that Rig Veda could much older than 5000 years, at least; even the scripted
language of Sanksrit has been around 2000 years. The Rig Veda gets a cake
walk, as the World' heritage, not just India's alone. The Rig Veda could be much
older by several years.

The problem with the study of the Vedas, without a competent instructor, who
is also a scholar in Sanskrit, is their extreme impossibility in comprehension.

The Rig Veda could be classified as the borazon, the hardest of the diamonds
to be cracked

No more digressions elsewhere for me! LOL!

Sam,

The Harvard Indologist Professor, Witzel, is a proponent of stupid Aryan Invasion Theory. The earth underneath him cracked to such an extent after reading Srikant Talageri's "Rigveda and the Avesta: The Final Evidence" that scholars in Europe and America have started discrediting Witzel's works. Talageri is an expert in Sanskrit, whereas Witzel and Wendy Doniger do not have any knowledge in Sanskrit. I suggest you read Talageri's book, which has created waves across the globe. He has considered innumerable facts from the verses in Rig Veda. For example, astronomical positions and similarities in vedas and Zoroastrian scriptures. One of the verses takes us back to 6500 BC. Well, according to western scholars, Aryans invaded India in 1500 BC! LOL

Let me tell you something interesting. Witzel offered Talageri, a bank employee in Mumbai, fat scholarship to do PhD under his guidance. Talageri replied saying his knowledge in Vedas is thousand times superior than what Witzel posesses and that a mere Harvard degree is nothing to him. Well, Talageri's work is the talk of the town in Europe, America, and the home of the Aryans---INDIA. Good on you dude!

The whole sketch behind Aryan Invasion Theory is exposed in these links: Note that the works of these early doggy Indologists were published in Asiatic Society Research journals. Follow the links.

http://www.encyclopediaofauthentichinduism.org/articles/34_the_fiction_o...

http://www.encyclopediaofauthentichinduism.org/articles/35_max_muller.htm

P.S: Islamic invaders used only sword to convert infidels, but European crusaders tried first with sword and then with deceit.

dear Rationalist,

No words can describe the gratitude i felt for you for having given the above links.If you have any links to varios subjects like history,hinduism or anything concerning India,i would be grateful.Take care,have a nice day.

P.S.--I provided a link to Swami Vivekananda's chicago speech.Is it swami's voice.Please let me know.

About debunking of this aryan invasion crap, religiously peddled by, no points for guessing who these are( communists, the christians, moslems and secular brain dead parasitic hindus, nonsensical Dravidian tamils, the historians under the thumb of madam) please read a number of articles by the Francis Gautier and Rajaram.www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006664.php - 56k Navaratna Srinivasa Rajaram Books (Used, New, Out-of-Print) - Alibris
Read about the vedic civilisation and the aryan invasion myth proudly propogated by the cunning british here The reviewer is a scientist and historian. His latest book is Sarasvati River and the Vedic Civilization: History, science and politics
The river saraswati has been made a myth.The Hindu philosophy and thought has been called a myth and the nyth of AIT is the truth! That's Kali yuga

#25 American use word from all people. Like Tacos from Mexico. Force makes it bad. If we were forcedf to eat Tacos we would not. But they taste good because Mexican didnt use force. This is the reason why Islam will fail.
Neither can you force anyone to reject a religion just because you dont want it. When a people accept things from others, but then say they have no right to be in their world, well that is selfish. Dont take anything from another world unless you are willing to accept the same from them. The world is a GHETTO. We are all HU-MAN(men of color. we are all colored men and women. From the lightest of pink to the blu-blackess we are all the same. There are even black chinese. There arer blond blacks. (smile) Lets stop the race and religion crap. If a person wants to serve the DEVIL outright, let him as long as he doesnt try to make others serve SATAN. People can serve Elvis Pressley, I dont care. I like his music but I dont worship him. He was a fine man and had the right moves. (smile) You have fine men in all races, so let's appreciate all people. Wesley Snipes a dark skinned American is fine, with his deep chocolate self, but so was Elvis. See All men are fine. Just look.

I bet Ibrahim is fine! (smile)+

Its not from Americans, the word "Arya" got corrupted and maligned so bad by these Europeans. So did Swastika symbol, which was sacred even to Jews. I don't understand why you address this above post to me? "Aryas" are NOT a race in their original meaning period. These theories are products of racist ideologies.

continuum1 wrote:

“Aryas” are NOT a race in their original meaning period. These theories are products of racist ideologies.

Agree.

the original name for the geographical area comprising India, Iran,some parts of middle east, Burma, far east was Aryavratha ( means land of aryas or royals) people with royal qualities

Wow, whole lot of anti-Westernism from our Indian "allies" here. Who's side are they on, anyway?

10 TERMS NOT TO USE WITH MUSLIMS - TOP
There's a big difference between what we say and what they hear.
Chris Seiple, Christian Science Monitor, 3/28/09

Arlington, Va. - In the course of my travels from the Middle East to Central Asia to Southeast Asia it has been my great privilege to meet and become friends with many devout Muslims. These friendships are defined by frank respect as we listen to each other; understand and agree on the what, why, and how of our disagreements, political and theological; and, most of all, deepen our points of commonality as a result.

I have learned much from my Muslim friends, foremost this: Political disagreements come and go, but genuine respect for each other, rooted in our respective faith traditions, does not. If there is no respect, there is no relationship, merely a transactional encounter that serves no one in the long term.

As President Obama considers his first speech in a Muslim majority country (he visits Turkey April 6-7), and as the US national security establishment reviews its foreign policy and public diplomacy, I want to share the advice given to me from dear Muslim friends worldwide regarding words and concepts that are not useful in building relationships with them. Obviously, we are not going to throw out all of these terms, nor should we. But we do need to be very careful about how we use them, and in what context.

1. "The Clash of Civilizations." Invariably, this kind of discussion ends up with us as the good guy and them as the bad guy. There is no clash of civilizations, only a clash between those who are for civilization, and those who are against it. Civilization has many characteristics but two are foundational: 1) It has no place for those who encourage, invite, and/or commit the murder of innocent civilians; and 2) It is defined by institutions that protect and promote both the minority and the transparent rule of law.

2. "Secular." The Muslim ear tends to hear "godless" with the pronunciation of this word. And a godless society is simply inconceivable to the vast majority of Muslims worldwide. Pluralism which encourages those with (and those without) a God-based worldview to have a welcomed and equal place in the public square is a much better word.

3. "Assimilation." This word suggests that the minority Muslim groups in North America and Europe need to look like the majority, Christian culture. Integration, on the other hand, suggests that all views, majority and minority, deserve equal respect as long as each is willing to be civil with one another amid the public square of a shared society.

4. "Reformation." Muslims know quite well, and have an opinion about, the battle taking place within Islam and what it means to be an orthodox and devout Muslim. They don't need to be insulted by suggesting they follow the Christian example of Martin Luther. Instead, ask how Muslims understand ijtihad, or reinterpretation, within their faith traditions and cultural communities.

5. "Jihadi." The jihad is an internal struggle first, a process of improving one's spiritual self-discipline and getting closer to God. The lesser jihad is external, validating "just war" when necessary. By calling the groups we are fighting "jihadis," we confirm their own and the worldwide Muslim public's perception that they are religious. They are not. They are terrorists, hirabists, who consistently violate the most fundamental teachings of the Holy Koran and mainstream Islamic scholars and imams. (More)

6. "Moderate." This ubiquitous term is meant politically but can be received theologically. If someone called me a "moderate Christian," I would be deeply offended. I believe in an Absolute who also commands me to love my neighbor. Similarly, it is not an oxymoron to be a mainstream Muslim who believes in an Absolute. A robust and civil pluralism must make room for the devout of all faiths, and none.

7. "Interfaith." This term conjures up images of watered-down, lowest common denominator statements that avoid the tough issues and are consequently irrelevant. "Multifaith" suggests that we name our deep and irreconcilable theological differences in order to work across them for practical effect – according to the very best of our faith traditions, much of which are values we share.

8. "Freedom." Unfortunately, "freedom," as expressed in American foreign policy, does not always seek to engage how the local community and culture understands it. Absent such an understanding, freedom can imply an unbound licentiousness. The balance between the freedom to something (liberty) and the freedom from something (security) is best understood in a conversation with the local context and, in particular, with the Muslims who live there. "Freedom" is best framed in the context of how they understand such things as peace, justice, honor, mercy, and compassion.

9. "Religious Freedom." Sadly, this term too often conveys the perception that American foreign policy is only worried about the freedom of Protestant evangelicals to proselytize and convert, disrupting the local culture and indigenous Christians. Although not true, I have found it better to define religious freedom as the promotion of respect and reconciliation with the other at the intersection of culture and the rule of law – sensitive to the former and consistent with the latter.

10. "Tolerance." Tolerance is not enough. Allowing for someone's existence, or behavior, doesn't build the necessary relationships of trust – across faiths and cultures – needed to tackle the complex and global challenges that our civilization faces. We need to be honest with and respect one another enough to name our differences and commonalities, according to the inherent dignity we each have as fellow creations of God called to walk together in peace and justice, mercy and compassion.

The above words and phrases will differ and change over the years, according to the cultural and ethnic context, and the (mis)perceptions that Muslims and non-Muslims have of one another. While that is to be expected, what counts most is the idea that we are earnestly trying to listen to and understand each other better; demonstrating respect as a result.

Wow, whole lot of anti-Westernism from our Indian “allies” here. Who’s side are they on, anyway?

Oh... So if anybody criticizes particular instances of European history based on facts, that means according to you they are enemies of West. Grow up.

Dear Krishna, I am not sure if it is Swami Vivekananda's voice. However, there is no doubt on the content of the talk. That was what he spoke in 1893 in Chicago.

#42 Hesparado, we've criticized for what the early Indologists from Europe did. Still Harvard University Professors such as Witzel and Wendy Donniger are twisting verses from Vedas to satisfy their fundraisers. Nonetheless, they are biting dust because they have very limited knowledge in Sanskrit. Indian allies are always ready to support the West in dismantling Islamic terrorism. However, we find that the west is busy taking Pakistan as their ally. They are providing interest-free loans to Pakistan. I want to know from you why they are doing it. Any answer?

Hi Marie # 43 & 44

Thanks for this. Only 10 according to CSM article? There are 1000's that I can think of. An easier question would be "What doesn't offend these backward cavemen?"

However, we find that the west is busy taking Pakistan as their ally. They are providing interest-free loans to Pakistan. I want to know from you why they are doing it. Any answer?

Because there is a hidden symbiotic relationship between Pakistan and USA. I do not know what is this relationship in Pakistan's case. There is a symbiotic relationship with Saudi Arabia too. Hence it is silly to expect US government to bite their own hands.

In case of Saudi Arabia, it is the "petro dollar" issue. The real reason USA went to war with Iraq is NOT because of "freedom and justice", but because of oil and threat of Saddam to switch from dollars to Euro. When Ahmedinejad threatened to switch to Euro, Bush threatened with war on Iran by including it in the axis of evil. It would be real bad for dollar if they switch to Euro. There is a deal between Saudi Royal family and US government, to deal in US dollars for oil. So USA will never attack Saudi Arabia, despite the fact that all forms of Islamic terrorism originate from this country. In turn Saudi royal family gets all kinds of protections from USA, from military support, technology (as deemed necessary for the country by USA) to other things. This is all about power and control behind the scene. While Islamic terrorism is a threat to USA, they will deal with this in other ways. Alternate energy sources is a another way USA invests as a source of global control.

US government did NOT give a damn about Saddam for 10 long years when he was massacring Kurds. They do not give a damn about Sudan too where black Christians were/are murdered and black Muslims are shown their deserving place in Islam by Arabs. So words like "freedom", "justice", "human rights" etc. are for the consumption of uninitiated or those outside the circle and are only tools to achieve one end, which is "power" or "control". This is a more sophisticated form of colonialism through economics and technology. If any country wants to have a significant portion of this cake, they better invest in research into alternate energy sources. One who controls energy sources controls the world.

Shafee wrote:

Hi Marie # 43 & 44

Thanks for this. Only 10 according to CSM article? There are 1000’s that I can think of. An easier question would be “What doesn’t offend these backward cavemen?”

There was only ten mentioned in the article because the author of the article is ignorant of Islam. This article also proves what I already knew about Islam, which is Muslims do not want to become part of Kafir societies, interfaith dialogue is a sham, there are no moderates, and exc.